Truth lives.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 25, 2005 3:58 PM

Yet the liberal and conservative media continue to behave as if this book represents a marginal perspective

Robert, I expect you to scrupulously avoid this subject, but sometimes I think it would be useful to have a better idea of what kind of a conservative you are. You have been associated with Paul Weyrich's Free Congress Foundation, so you are not totally "clean" of politics.

For example, the FCF states that it wishes for America to return to "Judeo-Christian" values. What exactly does that mean? Should this make Hindus or Buddhists feel a bit uncomfortable? Does FCF wish to convert as much of the world as possible to Christianity? (I realize that it would do this non-violently, i.e. no Jihad, so we can breathe easy on that score.) Has FCF taken a stand against abortion? If you want to get a bit more philosophical, how do you feel about the European Enlightenment and its characteristically secular values?

I guess I could and should do my own research, and anyway your views may not be identical to the FCF. Still, candor is an admirable quality, and I wish you would write an article describing your overall world view (or point us to one). Thanks.

Posted by: Benjamin at November 25, 2005 4:27 PM

Hopefully this shows that Americans, at least, are more interested in the truth than what they are told by the government and media about this so called "religion of peace." The more the word gets out, the more people will realize that it is islam that has declared war on all non muslims, since it's inception, and will not stop short of their goal of world domination at any costs. I pray that this book, and others like it, falls into the hand of not only every American, but everyone world wide who has to deal with this cult called islam. God bless you Robert, and keep up the good work.

Posted by: pastor_matt023 at November 25, 2005 5:07 PM

Benjamin,

I have not made a secret of anything. Here is a section from the Jihad Watch FAQ:

http://jihadwatch.org/spencer/

Q: I've read that you are secretly a Catholic and have a religious agenda.
RS: Yes, I have been so intent on keeping this a secret that I co-wrote a book called Inside Islam: A Guide for Catholics. Here again, people like to imagine that a Christian cannot write accurately about Islam, but they cannot point to any inaccuracy in my work. Nor is there any religious agenda here. I envision Jihad Watch as an opportunity for all the actual and potential victims of jihad violence and oppression -- Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, secular Muslims, atheists, whatever -- to join together to defend universal human rights. There are many things about which we all disagree, but at this point we need to unite simply in order to survive. We can sort out our disagreements later.

At this point the people most active, in various ways, in the work of Jihad Watch are a Catholic, a Jew, and an atheist. If we weren't so busy trying to awaken the Western world to the threat of violent jihad, we could walk into a bar and...(fill in your own punchline).

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at November 25, 2005 5:34 PM

Robert makes a point, almost every day, of noting the fight against jihad must include Hindus and Buddhists. In my years reading JW / DW, Robert has never made any negative references to their theology, culture, or right to believe what they believe. I'm sure Robert wouldn't mind if someone, of their own free will, converted to Christianity. That reflects his overall online persona which emphasizes peace, freedom of thought, and freedom of religion.

Anyone who claims otherwise, I dare them to prove it by searching the archives and reading his books. Hint: you can't and never will be able to (unless he's captured by aliens and reprogrammed, suffers a serious head injury, or takes some very psychotropic drugs, etc.)

Posted by: Beagle at November 25, 2005 5:43 PM

Robert --

I just got my copy of your book Wednesday, so with Thanksgiving intervening, I'm only halfway through. I think it's excellent, and will give me considerable backup when discussing the problems of Islam with others. Keep up the good work!

Side note: I'm a Pagan (Omnist, to be specific), so if Islam ever comes to power here, I won't even get the dhimmi status accorded to People of the Book. And I'm (expletives deleted) not going to convert!

Thanks again for your work, Robert ... blessings on you for it.

Posted by: Empire1 at November 25, 2005 6:12 PM

Thanks God for freedom of speech! Robert et al, all the best!

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at November 25, 2005 7:10 PM

Bless you Robert for your site and your works.

Your popularity would be our success and central to this war in which we are engaged.

Bless the West

Posted by: dgene at November 25, 2005 8:17 PM

Robert,

I didn't realize you are a Catholic but just found that out yesterday. Good for you! Catholicism has long been involved in the fight against Islam, and people on this website would do well to pay attention and investigate for themselves the historical evidence showing the resistance and even overthrowing of Islam by devout Catholics.

William Thomas Walsh wrote a very interesting book about Isabella & Ferdinand called "Isabella of Spain, The Last Crusader". In it he describes the enormous obstacles Isabella and her husband had to overcome to rid themselves of the Moslem threat that had invaded and held their country for over half a millenium. She was calm, clear headed and mostly asked God for help. And help her He did. She took her country back. Anyone can order the book online at www.marianland.com.

It would also be a good idea to check out Hillaire Belloc's "Survival's and New arrivals" and "The Great Heresies". If you do a google search and type in, Hillaire Belloc on Islam, you will get all kinds of good stuff, everything from excerpts to full books online. He is chillingly prescient on the problem of Islam rising again. He talks about how for 1700 years Islam and Catholicism fought a fight nearly to the death but then with the dawn of the industrial revolution, Islam receded and Christianity held the reigns. But in the new millenium Osama Bin Laden has access to cell phones, video cameras, high speed, gas and people filled, commercial airliners and every kind of technological gadget to make his jihad run so much smoother. We appear to be on a level playing field as far as technology goes. And we help pay for (through foreign gas consumption) the weapons he uses against us.

The other thing I haven't seen here, and maybe because I just started getting serious in the past few months about posting here, is anything on the battle of Lepanto. Many people don't know that the Ottoman Turks were believed to have an invincible navy and when they faced the Christians in a decisive battle in 1571 led by Don Juan of Austria, their navy was decimated and their naval power never recovered. This has been attributed in Catholic circles to the praying of the Rosary which was requested by Pope Saint Pius V of all Catholics through out Europe because of the ISLAMIC THREAT. They were poised to take over, like they are poised to take over France now, but they were beaten back. The faith in France is not there anymore, so what will intervene to save them?

I'd love to know you're thoughts on what I've said.

Thanks,
Isabella

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 25, 2005 8:32 PM

Isabella,

A Pope in today's PC climate is incapable of leading a fight against Islam -- even if he wanted to. The PC-dominated West would not let him. It's a new world now -- a blind world.

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at November 25, 2005 10:22 PM

Oh Dr. P,

I don't believe for a minute that our current pope would lead a call to arms against Islam. He is VERY PC. Pope Pius V is a saint and had the moxey to do the right thing.

No, you're right. It's as if the PC mentality has worked it's magic and turned us into so many frogs in a pot. Unfortunately, we are really getting into some hot water now. No, it won't be the leaders who get us through this mess. It will be the simple actions of the regular everyday people. But we need to know what we believe in so we can hold firmly to it when the Islamic tornado hits us.

Sometimes I resign myself to the fact that Islam will make enormous strides in our country because we have lost our moral compass. It seems as if no one wants to stand up and do the right thing because it might focus attention on what we ourselves are doing wrong and if I don't tell on you, you won't tell on me. Enough. Perhaps Islam is rearing it's lying, ugly head so that we Americans will wake up and eradicate the things in our lives that don't work and that hurt other people, at the same time setting up protections for ourselves. We used to call these things sins. Perhaps a good confession would do more to combat Islam than any amount of guns and tanks over in Iraq will. I think this is a moral issue and that we have to fight it on a spirtual plane.

Look, our leaders aren't helping us. They are helping the enemy. If I hear President Bush tell me one more time what a religion of peace Islam is, I'll...!!

CAIR whines and the lemmings that run our government jump to appease it. Everyone on this website knows they are a front group for terrorists. Everyone I know who doesn't read this website doesn't know this. I had a conversation with my niece at Thanksgiving dinner yesterday about Islam and she started to spout the party line about the poor oppressed Moslems. She is, of course, college educated but I realized she hadn't studied the subject. When I told her that jihad was an obligation of every Moslem and that they had the right to kill us, she told me that wasn't in the Koran. I corrected her and was able to back up my arguments with many of the things I'd learned here. I encouraged her to check out JW. I know she was ticked but I don't care. Don't sit there and tell me all about a subject that you've only heard about on the news and haven't looked into at all. And therein lies our biggest problem. Average Joe American THINKS he knows about Islam because he's heard a teeny tiny little bit about it from the PC controlled news media. The good news is that I've talked to many reasonable people and encouraged them to check out JW and they are starting to educate themselves.

Little drops of water, continuously, over time, can wear away a stone. I do have hope.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 25, 2005 11:46 PM

Robert, great response, I agree with you completely that the whole world Hindus, Buddhists and atheists, are under threat from Islamic ideology as expressed in the Koran.

As a devote Catholic, I also agree that my faith should not be a barrier to the solidarity that is needed if we are to survive.

I believe that religion is a private matter and should not be imposed on anyone, this is the greatest threat that Islam offers, the fact that there is no room for individual belief.

I am proud of my ancestors who fought in the recomquista, and since I come from a long line of military officers, at the service to the Spanish Crown, it is quite possible that they served at Lepanto.

Again, god bless you for your work, I keep you in my prayers.

To all the visitors of JW/DW, I say that this struggle is not about religious freedom , but about freedom. plain and simple.

Let's join hands to defeat this danger to world civilization

Posted by: El Cid at November 26, 2005 1:10 AM

Robert,
Thank you and I wish for you continued success i.e. an obscenely long stretch so obvious that that liberal and conservative media will finally admit that you're right.

I actually did bring my copy of PIG to a Thanksgiving gathering this week and amongst the family members who gathered in one room or another, your book was a red hot topic. So much so that this, my second copy is starting to show it's dog ears. Very cool.

Word is spreading and you provide the hope of truth. I [personally] do not entrust in any deity or god but if there is one, may you and yours be divinely blessed always for your dedication.

Posted by: Quantum Infidel at November 26, 2005 1:15 AM

Great work with the book. I need to start buying
copies for friends and spreading the word. Congratulations, it is well deserved.

Marginal perspective? No, perhaps not yet majority, but the truth will out. If there
were ever brave artists, someone would make
a film about Mohammad, no need for the crude
Arab style Protocols Of The Elders of Zion crap,
you could just use the koran, hadith and the
life of Mohammad. The problem of finding brave actors could be sidestepped with CGI or cartoons,
or we could just rely on the Danes, who seem to
have some courage on this one.

Posted by: American at November 26, 2005 2:16 AM

Robert,
I was able to obtain your book at my local library 2 weeks after it's introduction. I was so thrilled. I read it in two days. I learned so much about the Crusades that I never knew before. I am thankful that it is available to our local community. I hope it is being checked out on a regular basis. Thanks for all you do. This is a must read for every Christian unsure about the Crusades. All of us here know the truth of Islam. It's important to know history. There's so many things that aren't taught in school today. This should be required reading.
We can only hope.

Posted by: watcher at November 26, 2005 2:50 AM

Hmmmm, let's see, I am a Hindu, naturally related to some Buddhists and throw in some Sikhs there as well. And am I a devout staunch Hindu who never ate beef and pobserves all rites and rituals although born and raised in the West? Yes, very much so, but thank god I can drink and live my life in tolerance with all my friends who are not Hindus. Hell, one of my closest friends is a Catholic Priest, but you would never catch me dead witha Mullah.

Do I feel comfortable at this JW/DW site? Yes.

Does Robert Spencer make me feel comfortable? Yes. And I have had the pleasure of him reply to one of my queries in the past.

Does a Judeo-Christian agenda worry me? Not at all, except for what happened in Goa during the inquisition and St. Francis Xavier, I really don't feel threatened by a Judeo-Christian Agenda, since you can still argue, reason and even find justice among Christians (yes you can always have hope in a Christian Country), but you can never find tolerance, justice and the right to fight for your rights in an Islamic setting. Christians still change with time, accpet their faults and mistakes, but muslims love to committ murder and then reply "Who me? Couldn't be. Then Who?"

I really dislike Mahatma Gandhi for certain reasons and in other ways I do respect him (ie the Salt March), but in no way does he represent Hinduism or the spirit and determination to survive that is preserved in the soul of India and the Hindus. However, using him as an example, if he did his peaceful protest against the muslims, what do you think would have happened? He would have had his head chopped off.

Now case in point, Guru Tegh Bahadur, 9th Guru of the Sikhs does a peaceful protest to Delhi (17th century) because of the persecution of Hindu Pundits in the Kashmir valley by the Islamic regime. What does Aurangzeb (the Muslim Mughal King) do? He does what any Muslim in their right mind would do, all that was lacking a camcorder to make his "Islam's Funniest Home Videos". He had the Guru beheaded nd a number of his disciples were either boiled to death in hot cauldrons of water, sawed in half or given the third options of been cooked alive on hot iron plates used for baking Indian breads (there is a Sikh temple now built on the spot called Sishganj Gurudwara in Delhi, its actually beautiful but surrounded in a heavy Muslim area of the city). Don't believe me? Just go to any Sikh temple and you are sure to see the paintings depicting the persecution of the Sikhs and their Gurus at the hands of the Tolerant and Benevolent religion we know as Islam.

When it comes to India's history, Islam cannot deny that it is a cult obsessed with blood, rape and torture.

My mother always told me as a child that in a Christian country, although we can face discrimination, racism and other uglies of society, however they won't kill us just because we're Hindu. And if we had lived in a Muslim country, God knows what would have become us, we'd probably be dead.

I have seen how Hindus are allowed to practice their faith in Christian countries, even if at times it may face some form of discrimination or intolerance. However, when I had to go to Kuwait back in 1988 to visit a family friend who was doing business there, while I was on my way to India for vacation, I was not allowed to leave the airport unless I removed my Om necklace and surrender my Bhagavad-Gita (its a Hindu Holy Book, sort of like the Christians have their Bible)to the Airport authorities.

What did I do? I booked a flight out of there and went straight to India. I was totally like "Screw you and your rules Nazis". And then people have the nerve to claim Islam is tolerant or peaceful, believe me, my blood was boiling, I yelled and bitched all the way to my flight out of their. I risked being arrested which is a scary thought, but I was a young teen at the time. Have I ever been asked to remove my Hindu symobols or anything in a Christian country? Never. I even get some respect at Heathrow when people recognise my Gurkha pin.

So, Benjamin, when comparing the situation, I feel more comfortable among Judeo-Christians, afterall Jesus taught tolerance, and Mohammed taught Terrorism.....so who is the Prophet? And yes, I am a Hindu, not just by birth or name but also by practice.

Jesus lived a life of a Saint and one who had found Union with God. Mohammed was a drug crazed Pedophile. Huge difference.

Cheers,

Ayo Gorkhali (Here Come the Gurkhas)

Posted by: Gorkhali at November 26, 2005 6:07 AM

Dear Gorkhali,

Jesus taught love of neighbor, no matter how much they irritate you. Tolerance is a made up, B.S. concept intended to cow us into feeling guilty everytime we disagree with someone who wants to change our way life. I just want to point out the difference.

The other thing is that Jesus foretold that he would die and then rise from the dead, which He did, and there were contemporary witnesses to verify that He did. How did He do that if He isn't God?

What amazing thing did Mohammad do? He was a con artist thug who was, like you said, a drug crazed pedophile. I especially like the fact that when he was in horndog mode, and he wanted to sleep with more women besides the ones he'd married, he would tell everyone that Allah had spoken to him and told him he wanted him to take another concubine/slave/wife/whatever. Very convenient.

Gorkhali, my friend, I'm very glad to have you here. Your posts are thoughtful and thought provoking. Isn't it strange how if I saw you on the street I might be suspicious of you but here we can share our thoughts and come to understand each other? Very cool.

Oh, just one more thing...what was the deal with St. Francis Xavier?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 26, 2005 10:03 AM

Many thoughtful and interesting posts here,

Isabellathecrusader stated above :

"The good news is that I've talked to many reasonable people and encouraged them to check out JW and they are starting to educate themselves.

Little drops of water, continuously, over time, can wear away a stone. I do have hope."

This is a wonderful way to educate people about the realities of Islam...many people do not have the time or inclination to educate themselves.
If everyone who knows the truth simply spoke to a few other people, then the truth would spread exponentially.

I have tried speaking with peers about Islam but so far the results aren't encouraging...although perhaps a little seed has been sown.
Most people seem determined to keep their heads in the sand...they don't want to know.
Some seem to think me a hate mongerer, although I have made myself clear...I do not hate Muslims but want to expose the ideology of hate and death behind Islam.

Posted by: Mike_W at November 26, 2005 5:03 PM

The real prize is to keep it in the TOP 15, where millions of people see in in the Sunday print edition of the paper and CAN'T ignore it - unbeatable publicity. Especially if for a long duration. Such visibility is very powerful.

The NYTimes Bestseller List does not necessarily accurately reflect true sales. They have been rumored to keep books they don't like editorially from getting up there (this conclusion based on comparing divergences between the List and more solid indicators of book sales volumes, as well as other bestseller lists). But I must hand it to them that they did post it up there for a week or two.

Maybe we can all buy more copies for friends for the holidays. Get the word out so it will get back up there!

This is a power tool for combating the PCness. Thank you for writing it, Robert.

Posted by: WestwardHo at November 26, 2005 5:09 PM

l know that with a strong Christian pressence in the country, particular the GOP, there is still a great chance we can still destroy the cult of Islam. look at Europe, see how their secular government, lack of belief in anything, they are being destroyed from within. You do see a more of a willingness to conquer
militant islam from the conservatie side of government. with the liberal side all they want is people to be equal, status given equally to religions, its in their mode of thinking. the pc crowd do make wimps out some conservatives by branding them as racists, islamophobes... but l do see more movement of truth coming from conservative. what we can work on the liberal side, is showing that we need to liberate women in the muslim cult! that has to be really preached!! where are these so called feminists!!!!

Posted by: Lulu at November 26, 2005 8:57 PM

Thank you, Mike, for your kind words.

Don't be disheartened. People didn't believe that Jews were being exterminated during WWII or that Pol Pot was annihilating Cambodians either. It makes me think of a story I heard the Saturday after 9/11 about how an airline captain got on the loudspeaker and welcomed the passengers, encouraging them to look to their left and to their right, to introduce themselves because they were going to be a family for a couple of hours during the flight. He also told them that if they saw any suspicious behavior they were to pick up whatever they had in their hand or nearby, books, pillows, shoes, whatever and heave it at the guys head. The captain said if the passengers could get the perpetrator on the ground, he would land ASAP and get the authorities to come and pick the guy or guys up.

I thought about that long and hard. You know, when we Americans get on an airplane we are conditioned to be quiet, stay in our own space, not make a seen or lots of noise. We are pretty considerate and reserved. We had to have an airline captain GIVE US PERMISSION to act if we saw something suspicious.

We're like that. We keep to ourselves, we're not rude, (although we seem to be getting more so, especially when we are driving!!) and mostly we have been brought up to consider other people's feelings before we act. Understanding this it is easier to understand why people don't believe us when we tell them there are people out there who want to wipe us from the face of the earth. We do not think that way, therefore we cannot comprehend that other human beings can think that way. We know that there are some aberrations with some people in our society, but we cannot begin to imagine an ideology that promotes death of all those who oppose them. Although if you think about it, many of us living in America today lived through the cold war with communist Russia. But it was so far away and didn't touch down in our immediate atmosphere that, again, no comprehension. Perhaps because this ideology is misnamed a "religion" it is beyond their power to comprehend.

But there were lots of saints throughout history that did an awful lot of converting when the chips were down and it didn't look good. We can do that, too.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 26, 2005 9:09 PM

Excellent point, Lulu!!

Convince the Feminazis that women are being oppressed and maybe they will do something about it. I think it is good in theory, but in practice I remember not hearing a peep out of NOW when Bill Clinton was pulling all his shenanigans with Paula, Monica, Kathleen and Juanita. Mum was the word because he was keeping their precious programs in place. Better to sacrifice a few million Muslim women than take a chance on reversing Roe vs. Wade.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 26, 2005 9:17 PM

At this point the people most active, in various ways, in the work of Jihad Watch are a Catholic, a Jew, and an atheist.

OK, Robert. I like that! I feel a Hindu or Buddhist could fit comfortably in between the cracks. :-)

I think Hugh must be the atheist. 'Fitzgerald' just doesn't sound very ... er ... well ... I gues I'd better not say it.

Posted by: Benjamin at November 27, 2005 1:11 PM