Go Feds!! More, more, faster, faster!!

Posted by: kelley at November 25, 2005 3:44 PM

Being a cleric, I am sure that he was extremely pious and religious and that he only wanted to impress upon his congregation to embrace jihad as an internal struggle to find purity in Islam and to find inside of oneself the path to becoming an enlightened Muslim.

Posted by: Lisa at November 25, 2005 3:57 PM

They're all suspect until they can somehow prove they're different than the rest of the Jew hating, Infidel hating lot. However, as we see over and over and over and over and over again they say whatever politically correct infidel lulling, fancy tale inter-faith dialogue they want to say to try to get over on us -- until they're caught funding murderers -- oops!

Posted by: Kemaste at November 25, 2005 4:16 PM

The good news;
Damra was caught and sent elsewhere.
The bad news;
Damra will most assuredly continue his evil ways anywhere he goes.
Deportation seems a very thin band-aid to this problem. Damra should be serving a life sentence as an enemy combatant. But hey, with our ultra-secure borders, at least we don't have to worry about him coming back. Right?.

Posted by: kevin at November 25, 2005 4:23 PM

Don't trust muslims, any of them. This is what happens. A so called "moderate" or "peaceful" muslim, deported for helping fund islamic terrorism. Of course, the islamic definition of peace is to kill everyone who isn't a muslim, so I'm sure he honestly thought he was peaceful. But good ridance to bad rubbish, of course, I agree with kevin, deporting them isn't good enough. They should be locked away somewhere with no contact with the outside world. Otherwise, he'll go somewhere else and do the same thing, only this time, probably with more hatred, for being found out. My question is how secure are we, really, when people like this are allowed into our borders? I sure thought that after 9/11, our border and immigration policies would have changed, but obviously, they haven't, because we all know that he is only one but probably hundreds, if not thousands, of imams in the US preaching terrorism and jihad. And the fact that he signed the phony fatwa by CAIR denouncing terrorism just goes to show even further that these uncivilised, barbaric "people" can't be trusted, and that their "religion" (cult is more like it) allows such things. Muslims and islam has one goal, and that is world domination at any costs. The real sons of monkeys and pigs, and rabid dogs, are muslims, all those who follow the vile and sadistic ways of the islamic cult. But hopefully, at least we can dream and pray, this is the first step to getting rid of all muslims from this nation, including, and especially, those terrorists at CAIR.

Posted by: pastor_matt023 at November 25, 2005 5:03 PM

It never ceases to amaze me how little things like this get attention, even though I know they never will in the mainstream media. It is always buried away in some corner...

Posted by: Bujutsu Blogger at November 25, 2005 5:07 PM

As far as the above comments go,I agree...
Any imam convicted of inciting hatred in the context of Islam should be in federal prision for LIFE.
And, any imam convicted of inciting his followers to armed jihad against western democracies should recieve the death penalty. Period. This is not unreasonable.
Hate speech is not protected speech, just as yelling "fire" in a crowded movie theatre is not protected speech. And, we have here a "clear and present danger" facing the United States and our allies, which by definition allows the curtailing of rights.
Good work, feds, but this F#$%er should be in prison.

Posted by: templar at November 25, 2005 5:13 PM

at least you americans have the balls to deport and keep s##t like this in prison. we in the UK havve to put up and shut up whenever a cleric opens his mouth. remember america has over 83 000 muslims in custody in the war on terror, thats why they are finding it so difficult to carry out another attack on US soil, whilst western europe is awash with clerics calling on jihad on the west.

keep up the good work guys.

Posted by: lord lucan at November 25, 2005 6:22 PM

The offence is sedition.

Preached in about 80% of the U.S. mosques radicalized by the Saudis and their petrodollars.

What is the penalty for sedition ?

Posted by: dgene at November 25, 2005 6:25 PM

Hallelujah! Now, let's deport the rest of them.

Posted by: Havoc at November 25, 2005 6:57 PM

Speaking of sedition, it is surprising that no single state has infiltrated mosques and charged the Imams with that crime. I mean, (and this is a real question if anyone knows the answer please share) if you say " the goal of my religion is the overthrow of this goverment and the instilation of a muslim governement" IS THAT A CRIME? Is that statement in front of an impressionable congregation enough to get you thrown in jail? Or is that protected free speech?
It should be a federal crime. Is IT?

Posted by: templar at November 25, 2005 8:54 PM

Surely this must be a mistake. An Imam preaching hate from the Religion of Peace and Tolerance? No doubt he was misunderstood, and CAIR will leap to his defense............

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at November 25, 2005 9:16 PM

The Moslems are not bad people! They are misunderstood. They are merely people who have been intensely programmed from birth to live by blind faith. All the terrorism we have seen executed on the world stage is sanctioned and commanded by God, and these commands are beyond dispute, being very clearly written in the Koran. Blind obedience is required by this God, of the followers of this God, who says He is the one and only God, and all who will not obey him will suffer forever in torments beyond description. These people are not our enemy! The only enemy is the Koran which must be fought against in order to set these poor innocent people free. But the trouble is that the Koran commands those who fear God's wrath, to murder anybody who will speak out against this bible of lies and murderers. But, the only way to stop terrorism is to tear down the edifice of terror that is the esteem and respect that this bible commands because of the fear of murder happening to anybody who should dare point out the extreme evilness of this book. Yet there is no other way to put an end to Islamic terrorism and murder. The foundation of Islamic terrorism is the Koran, tear down this most powerful evil book and Islamic murder and insanity will stop. Ask those who have converted Moslems at great risk to their lives and they will tell you that all Moslems will quickly convert to Christianity, jumping at the chance to be free of this religion based on and supported by sheer Horror. Who will make the first move and begin to tell the truth about the abomination of desolation that the Koran is, and therefore begin to set one billion innocent people free of extreme thought control operating by the mechanisms of Murder and the threat of Murder. If it is the way I have said it is in this letter, why is anyone wasting time and energy talking all around the real and only cause of Islamic worldwide terror and mass murder, instead of telling it like it really is? There is only one answer: They, like the poor Moslem people themselves are very afraid of having themselves and their friends and families Murdered in horrible ways as commanded by Allah from the launching pad of the Powerful and Fearful Koran. So, why are we Christians any different than the Moslems, and, indeed, the rest of the terrified world? You are not! So, get real! Like everyone else, you fear Allah more than any other God!

Posted by: hal at November 25, 2005 9:39 PM

Hal,

I agree the Koran is at the heart of the problem, but I'm not sure I follow you on the solution. If we embrace Muslims because they are just victims, and the Koran is just a bunch of words on paper (I'm looking at one right now and deciding if it will make any difference if I flush it), then what's the plan?

Posted by: Bill_Carson at November 25, 2005 9:46 PM

There is only one solution I can think of and that is to ban the preaching and practice of Islam in America and to deport those who do either one of these things, period.

Posted by: dms at November 25, 2005 10:08 PM

Hey Damra! I may be a son of a monkey and a pig, but guess what: I'M STAYING IN AMERICA. I'd rather be a monkey or a pig in America than an Imam in "palestine" and you would too; otherwise, you'd already be there.

I hope you can find work as a cleric in "palestine" but I'm pretty sure that they have all the clerics they need. But don't worry, you could always try your hand at shoe repair, sewer cleaning, camel dung shoveler. There are plenty of palestinian brothels that could use janitors, floor sweepers, condom recyclers, etc.

... maybe if you are a good little dummy you can get a pass to go work at a matzo ball factory in Israel.

And lo! The border with Egypt is officially opened. You can always go there and seek a better life, right; because Muslims always help one another, right? Right?

Bwahahahahahaha!!!

Posted by: kj at November 25, 2005 10:11 PM

And it's because there's been no Nuremburg process here, there's been no Goldstone Commission, there's been no fall of the Berlin Wall. Instead, there's only been the slap on the wrist, the Michael Moore exculpatory fiction, and worst of all the Bush reassuring hugs to the Saudi Royals and other "allies". So much for the War on Terror -- with War like this, who needs retreat?

Posted by: sanman at November 25, 2005 10:25 PM

Speaking of sedition, it is surprising that no single state has infiltrated mosques and charged the Imams with that crime. I mean, (and this is a real question if anyone knows the answer please share) if you say " the goal of my religion is the overthrow of this goverment and the instilation of a muslim governement" IS THAT A CRIME? Is that statement in front of an impressionable congregation enough to get you thrown in jail? Or is that protected free speech?
It should be a federal crime. Is IT?

Posted by: templar at November 25, 2005 08:54 PM

The nefarious Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR stated on national television that
he would like for America to be governed by Islamic law. He's still free, still supporting terrorism, still filing lawsuits to silence all critics of Islam, still promulgating lies about his filthy cult, and still the major spokesman for the Wahabbi fifth column in America, CAIR. The U.S. government recognizes CAIR as a legitimate mouthpiece for quintessential "moderate" American muslims. (Yeah, the U.S. government believes that "moderate" muslims not only exist, but they are "patriotic, loyal Americans.)

Obviously sedition is legal under the guise of "free speech." Despite the plethora of damning literature found in American mosques, most of which came from the Saudi government, Saudi Arabia is still touted as our good friend and staunch ally. It truly warms my heart to know that our beloved friends and allies, the Saudis, encourage American muslims to hate us, kill us, and seize our nation and its wealth for Islam.

Didn't CAIR accuse the group that discovered and disclosed the Saudi hate literature found in American mosques of "Islamophobia" and sensationalism? That was apparently enough to scare our illustrious lawmakers into scrapping a serious investigation. They might lose a few muslim votes.

Posted by: Susanp at November 25, 2005 10:53 PM

I agree with kevin.
Now this cleric (a snake with a beard) will go somewhere else to spread his poison.

Deportation is not enough. These bearded snakes command a lot of power and respect in Muslim societies. He will be hailed as a hero there and he will join the ranks of those who plan revenge (and are always planning revenge anyway, for Muslims like to complain about the rain and the fair weather).

We are in a war situation. These fanatics have made it sufficiently clear that they are our enemies. When our governments don't dare to attack the doctrine that gives strength to those people, deportation won't help to neutralize the danger we are in.

Posted by: rocky at November 26, 2005 1:49 AM

Obviously sedition is legal under the guise of "free speech."

"Free speech" isn't free which is one of the many mistakes Muslims make about America. Speech that involves sedition or treason is a crime in the US that can get you a life sentence or in the case of treason "death".The "Blind Shiek" was convicted of "seditious conspiracy" he is serving life in prison.The prosecutor in the case said they used sedition laws to convict the Shiek to send the message that being elderly, blind and diabetic did not exempt him from punishment.He was a guilty as those who carried out attacks.Ali Al-Timimi a Muslim "cleric" and US citizen was sentenced to life in prison for "soliciting treason", "solicting others to wage war against the United States","soliciting the use of firearms and explosive" among a list of crimes.His crimes were all speech crimes, related to one speech he gave five days after 9/11 urging Muslims to go fight for the Taliban and kill American soldiers.As the prosecutor said Al-Timimi is free to hate America he is not free to "solicit treason which is what he did".Given these convictions I have no idea where you got the idea that sedition is not a crime in America.

Posted by: Roxane at November 26, 2005 3:38 AM

This imam, and others like him, in the US preaching hate and violence against the west could probably be classified under sedition, or treason, or probably a whole host of other things that would normally be considered crimes worthy of mandatory prison time. And yet, muslims, every Friday, in almost every mosque in America, preaches such things, and nothing is done. My question is why? Why is our freedom and security being threatened? The only guess I can come up with is the liberalisation of America. Groups like the ACLU who are in bed with groups like CAIR, are systematically destroying this nation. It's ok for muslim clerics to preach hatred and violence against our people, but a Christian politician wanting to publically pray, or uphold traditional family values by condemning homosexuality, and that is considered hate, slander, etc., and you will find yourself with a long battle in court on your hands, even though, you never promoted violence, hatred, intolerance, etc. This country is screwed up, due to liberals seeking destruction of the US, and of ethics and morals as a whole. It's high time conservative, Christian, Jew, and any other, stand up against liberalism and the islamization of America. A revolution is coming...

Posted by: pastor_matt023 at November 26, 2005 5:03 AM

".Given these convictions I have no idea where you got the idea that sedition is not a crime in America.

Posted by: Roxane at November 26, 2005 03:38 AM

I wasn't aware that these people had actually been convicted of "seditious conspiracy" and "soliciting treason." That is really encouraging but what about the hundreds of other treasonous muslims who make seditious speeches EVERY DAY in the U.S.? What about the Saudis, who allow their clerics to foment hatred and encourage jihad against the U.S. while their leaders and diplomats claim to be our dear, loyal friends? We're about to welcome thousands of superior, brainwashed, America-hating, Saudi jihadist bastards to the U.S.so they can exploit our educational system and use the knowledge they attain against us later.

Based upon the replies to my many letters to Congressional representatives and other government officials, sedition and treason are two of the most difficult to prove and rarely prosecuted crimes in America. I would consider some of the statements made by prominent members of CAIR to be the epitome of sedition, but obviously the U.S. government does not. Every muslim cleric that preaches jihad to his demented audience is guilty of sedition and treason in my opinion, but they haven't been arrested or silenced. Instead of locking up the militants who threaten America, they are merely deported to carry on their nefarious work elsewhere. If the treason and sedition laws were taken seriously in the U.S., three-fourths of the muslims here would be deported or imprisoned.

Posted by: Susanp at November 26, 2005 5:59 PM

If it can happen in Ohio, why not in Michigan? We need more websites like www.geocities.com/anti_mcws. We need to start putting spies into American mosques and see what actually is going on in there.

Posted by: jihad at November 26, 2005 7:08 PM

is not so silly, how these muslilm clerics like to preach how evil the U.S.is? (West),,but they sure like to move to Western countries!! seems if we were so evil and bad. they would stay away.... now send this coward over the ocean.. and just have an accident... shark food!!!

Posted by: Lulu at November 26, 2005 8:47 PM

Thank you all for your answers to my questions!!
So, it seems that Sedition is illegal and punishable.
Now, I pose another one: What if a group of well-educated,well-spoken, patriotic americans taped Imams making seditious and traitorous speech and placed the Imam under CITIZENS ARREST. What would happen then?
Anyone have big balls?

Posted by: templar at November 26, 2005 10:48 PM

The FBI needs to get to work on this!! infiltrate them, its been in the Netherlands,GB. it can be done in the US!

Posted by: Lulu at November 27, 2005 7:00 AM

I was not aware that Muslims wore ties... I thought they were all determined to show how unWestern they are by wearing those smocks and veils and stuff... How bad was this guy's tie if it could actually cause terror? What does a terror tie look like? I think this is one post which would have benefitted from a picture... I've seen some pretty bad ties in my day, but at terror tie ?

Posted by: jsla at November 27, 2005 9:29 PM