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Eurabia Update: more on the Belgian female convert to Islam who blew herself up in Iraq. "Militants linked to woman suicide bomber held in raids," from the Telegraph, with thanks to Interested:
Police in Belgium and France yesterday arrested 15 suspected militants believed to be linked to a Belgian woman who carried out a suicide bombing in Iraq last month.The 38-year-old convert to Islam blew herself up on Nov 9 on the outskirts of Baghdad in what security sources believe was the first suicide attack involving a European woman.
More than 200 heavily-armed officers raided addresses in Brussels and three other Belgian cities in the early hours of the morning. They arrested 14 people in an attempt to shut down the suspected network which smuggled the unnamed woman into Iraq.
The Belgian federal prosecutor's office said that two Tunisians and three Moroccans were among those arrested, while police also seized documents.
The fifteenth suspect, a Tunisian, was arrested near Paris.
The man, who was not previously known to police, was taken into custody because he knew the husband of the suicide bomber.
The husband, a Moroccan, is also believed to have died in Iraq, reportedly after being shot by American soldiers....
She is thought to have been taken to Iraq overland via Turkey by her husband, a Muslim extremist.
Her suicide mission targeted an American military convoy but she only succeeded in killing herself.
Posted by Robert at December 1, 2005 5:47 AM
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Anyone know how much play this incident has gotten in Belgium's press and media? Since the incident doesn't exactly flatter islam, has the dhimmedia readily buried all traces of it? What are people on the street saying? Has this spurned a mass-migration towards the nearest mosque amongst the mentally sick in Belgium? etc etc etc
Any info would be welcome.
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at December 1, 2005 7:42 AM
Great to see those supporting the Jihadi bitch going down.
The more one sees the more one is led to the conclusion that Islam is like a disease.
(now if we could get Cat Stevens to blow himself up without killing anyone else, or Salmon Rushdie of New York likewise)
Posted by: dgene at December 1, 2005 8:49 AM
Voletti,
I can tell you a little about this (at least for newspapers & radio, I don't watch television), at least about the french speaking part of Belgium where I live.
Let's say that, on average, the press is quiet. Oh, sure, it's one of the headlines, but not a lot to say - just facts like "she was part of a fundamentalist network"; no real analysis or discussion (as far as I could read & hear until now) of the potential danger those people mean for the West, of how or why the jihadists acts, or of Islam of course). And also at least one newspaper quoting someone saying that there are other "kamikazes" to be living in Belgium.
The big media game is, of course, to insist that those people wer islamists, or fundamentalists, or jihadists... not the "usual" "moderate" muslim, you see... probably "bad muslims", actually, you see... And never, never analyse or expose what's the link of those with islamic holy texts, probably because it would cast a shadow on moderate Islam! Yuck...
The worst I heard today was this radio anchorman (on the main french-speaking channel) saying part of the problem when discussing this issue was "how avoid confusion, how not to blame this on the immigrant community". WTF?!? This woman was, we're told, "100% pure belgian", I mean of belgian extraction... so why is he talking about blaming the immigrants??! Let's blame it on the ideology, that's enough, and never done! But I guess that the man is so confused himself with PC crap that he can not aknowledge Islam is no ROP!
As for the public... well, I didn't hear anybody comment on this so far. I think some of them are just not aware (not listening the news, or not paying attention for quite a lot), or fatalists, and I know some of my colleagues are just "fed up with terrorism matters", but of course they blame it on the US war in Irak, or sometimes Israël, or... The Quran? no, no, it's a holy book of a peaceful religion, so don't dig there...! I feel very tired sometimes!
Posted by: Pistache at December 1, 2005 9:03 AM
Voletti,
Sorry, I forgot to post this link to the Brussels Journal (english) paper on this:
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/530
('Not mainstream media at all, but not PC!)
Posted by: Pistache at December 1, 2005 9:05 AM
"The husband, a Moroccan, is also believed to have died in Iraq, reportedly after being shot by American soldiers...."
I guess what we have here is a "black widow", Chechen style.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at December 1, 2005 9:11 AM
"I guess what we have here is a "black widow", Chechen style."
Waterdragon, the only part of the story (as told so far) that doesn't fit with your comparison is that both husband and wife, well alive, left Belgium together for Irak - not a place where you spend your honeymoon, these days... So, it's not an instance of "poor desperate widow wanted revenge by exploding herself". Plus, they had nothing to do with Irak (Morocco and Belgium are quite far from it, and are not really active on WoT, are they?). So I don't really see the link with the Chechen situation...?
Posted by: Pistache at December 1, 2005 9:37 AM
..."(Morocco and Belgium are quite far from it, and are not really active on WoT, are they?)." -> I meant in the War on Terror, sorry...
" So I don't really see the link with the Chechen situation...?" -> Except for the religion of peace, of course...
Posted by: Pistache at December 1, 2005 9:41 AM
Nice Pistake, Pistache!
Posted by: Anthony at December 1, 2005 10:08 AM
The story is covered by the newspapers in Flanders as well. With titels like "more belgian kamikaze fighters" or "network recruits terrorists in Belgium". And questions like : is it for love or for religion?
The radio yesterday was telling us how well our secret services work as there have been no attacs in our own country as yet (!!!) and the raid on this network recruiting the suicide bombers was a great sucess.
A young woman convert to islam was allowed to come and give her considered opinion, she refused to condem the attac in Iraq, saying that she did not know all the facts and that "in war truth is the first casuality"
One top policeman did say that he had warned that the terrorists were among us (he faced a lot of criticism for saying this) and that now he was proved right.
Most people here (as far as I can tell) do not seem to grasp how serious this is. The media and the main stream politicians are not going to rock the boat. We have elections next year and they don't want to encourage paople to vote for (in their words) "the far right".
Posted by: iloveFlanders at December 1, 2005 10:38 AM
"She is thought to have been taken to Iraq overland via Turkey by her husband, a ****Muslim extremist."****
Not an extremist, just a good Muslim.
Posted by: MississippiMud at December 1, 2005 11:39 AM
"We have elections next year and they don't want to encourage paople to vote for (in their words) "the far right".
Yep, everywhere in Europe it's the same story. The only parties speaking out against Islam are defamed with the label "far right" and worse ("racist", "Islamophobe" etc.).
Carl Hagen of Norway, a "racist" "far right" politician.
Norway's Conservative Party (Hoeyre), the only party that supported Samira Munir (a courageous Muslim woman who supports the ban of the veil among other progressive things), a party that one of jihadwatch's regulars, Shiva, recently characterized in extremely negative terms (as supporting "apartheid", etc.).
The BNP of England.
Le Pen of France.
The only party of Holland that has supported and protects Ayaan Hirsi Ali (to the shame of the Leftists)
Angelo de Biasio of Italy, from the "far-right" Northern League Party. He is one of several Northern League mayors in the area enforcing a ban on the burka by using a public security law passed under the fascist leader Mussolini and updated in the 1970s when Italy faced domestic political terrorism.
Says de Biasio -- "We are in a similar security situation with the threats from terrorists in Iraq," explains Mr de Biasio. "We are under attack from extreme Muslim people here. If you look at what happens in the world, in Chechnya, those women wearing the burka are a symbol of death."
Who on the Left anywhere in Europe is saying things like this? Shame on the Left!
Posted by: Dr. Pepper at December 1, 2005 11:55 AM
And shame on the "Center" and the plain old (as opposed to the "Far") Right!
at December 1, 2005 11:55 AM
Don't you get a sense of sameness about all mainstream old-EU political parties? Yeah, some are "right" and some are "left" but in reality the differences are few and far between, especially on small stuff like, you know, securing the future of European civilization.
Supposedly, Chirac is on the "right" and Blair on the "left" but...does it even mean anything any more?
From what I've read recently Sarko seems to be appropriating ideas from the "far" right, with this expel-25000-illegals-in-2006 plan but I guess that groundwork he'd been laying previously is paying off because he doesn't seem to be getting career-threatening denoucements over it. (Then again, maybe his is. I watch some French TV news, but my language is too poor to get anything more than a rough idea.) Still, such a shift would be a welcome development for those Europeans desparate for an electable party (ie not le Pen) representative of their desires.
Posted by: spect8or at December 1, 2005 12:14 PM
The loss of any human life is regrettable save in the cases where one loss directly saves many others. The bad news in this story is that this woman and her husband determined to obey the canonical Islamic command to engage in jihad against the Americans. The good news is that they were apparently trapped by their their understanding of their own ideology to such an extent that they were compelled to journey to Iraq to engage the Infidel enemy instead of staying in Europe or flying to the USA to carry out their intention.
This is just one of many anecdotes trickling out of Iraq that suggest that the Bush Honeypot Doctrine is indeed working as designed.
Posted by: DrMack at December 1, 2005 1:37 PM
Talk of self delusion, convince yourself that Bush has a Honeypot Doctrine, and that a Honeypot doctrine will work.
You clowns learn nothing from history.. Afghanistan was a Honeypot, Bosnia, Kosovo Honeypots.
Sure a couple of hundred Jihadi's will get killed, usually the stupid and reckless, however like Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq is not only a recruting poster, but a training ground, where these mujahideen will sharpen their teeth, harden their muscles and acquire skills that will be employed in the future throughout the world, including Europe and the U.S.
You can't substitute wishful thinking and ideology for facts, logic and reality.
A starting point Evan Kohlmann's Global Terror Alert and his book Al Qaida's Jihad in Europe, the Bosnia Afghan Network.
at December 1, 2005 3:40 PM
Nope Nariz,
the best way to deal with Jihadis is to kill them.
no better place to kill them than in Iraq, where the tip of the spear are the West and the Iraqis.
keep on killing them until they have too few bodies or until the fire goes out, or both.
whether or not it was the intended strategy, it is a great result.
people who want to die for their religion, and soldiers who are prepared to kill them.
this is war
Posted by: dgene at December 1, 2005 4:04 PM
Nariz:
Sure a couple of hundred Jihadi's will get killed, usually the stupid and reckless, however like Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq is not only a recruting poster, but a training ground, where these mujahideen will sharpen their teeth, harden their muscles and acquire skills that will be employed in the future throughout the world, including Europe and the U.S.
Your argument also assumes that the American invasion of Iraq breeds more jihadis than would exist without the invasion. 9/11 proves otherwise. The Madrid bombings were also planned before the US invasion.
While it is true that jihadis in Iraq are learning how to better fight the Americans, let's not lose sight of the fact that the Americans are also learning how to better engage the jihadis. Contact by contact, who do you think learns more about the opponent? History answers this question well.
Posted by: DrMack at December 1, 2005 4:41 PM
Describing whatis far right, is different for each country. l think Canada'a right party, "Conservative" is more left than Australia's labour party. A profesor living in Australia for over ten years, came back to Nova Scotia to visit family, and could not beleive how socialistic and left our country has become...was appalled in fact. l think Europe needs a new party on the right, one rid of
hatred of Jews, center of right on economy and right of right on immigration. When the British elections went off last year.. there was more talk of illegal immigration.. the regular people know the important
issues. l think next election any politicians in the U.S., one common theme to be elected will be for
controlling the borders. In Canada if you talk on border control and if your conservative, your lablelled a racist.
at December 1, 2005 7:19 PM
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