That is their point of view.

From my point of view Islam is a cancer. Is funny how Islam claims to talk in the name of "the people" while people under islam are never given any freedom.

Under Islam people live in such degradation that the only thing they are allowed is to say "amen" to the doctrine that oppresses them.

Posted by: rocky at December 17, 2005 4:06 AM

It would appear that no matter what Israel does nor what it offers there will always be those determined islamists who will simply wait for the day that israel is weakened by something and then they will strike and with careless abandon plus the will of Muhammad wipe them out totally.
However long this takes it could happen as they have sufficient patience and in the name of the caliphate will NEVER give up no matter what concessions Israel offers.

When you are fighting an enemy like this or like Iran the only way to peace is via extermination.
If the MB do take ovr Egypt and start their wars all over again and get their usual hiding, I can see them crying to Pakistan or Iran for a nuke or some nice organophosphate to drop on Israel.

You cannot reason with these people. They never give a millimetre and they pass their poisonous lies and beliefs down generation after generation.

Augustus was asked why he had allowed the legions in Spain to kill off several tribes: men women and children. He replied that they had been given good terms 3x and it made no difference so he felt hat he ahd no other choice.
When asked why he did not spare the children or slaves, he replied:" because they grow into adults who remember and who will resume the struggle". Spain became the most peaceful Roman province thereafter.

If the reactionary caliphatary Islamists continue to behave as they do everywhere then extermination does not sound as stupid as it may seem. Obviously this is rather extreme but as they have no intention of ever meeting ANYONE halfway what other option is there?

Without wishing to start a morality war here i ask you all: what else will stop them?
Maybe , just maybe it is time for the rules of war to be applied to them wholesale, after all aren't we all nonmuslims in the total war state already?

Posted by: Zathras at December 17, 2005 5:02 AM

Akef states that he would "put to the people" on the issue of Israel. Fine. I would like to "put it to the people" of the US as to whether they want to stop giving $2 billion of foreign aid to Egypt annually and if they would like to see Muslim immigration from all countries severely reduced or eliminated completely. My guess would be that "the people" would vote yes on both issues.

Posted by: maryrose at December 17, 2005 5:43 AM

Very well put Zathras, the problem is people just dont feel under threat enough yet. My worry is that the Jihadis will be able to unleash their strongest weapon the demographic bomb, before we can wake people up.

To wait is to make it worse we should be mobilizing against Iran right now.

The longer Israel waits the harder it will be for us to be succesful. Lets just hope there is enough courage to start this thing.

Posted by: km at December 17, 2005 5:46 AM

I had a bit of a shock recently to find that there were 500k muslims in Australia. This was because there were only 300K last I heard and less than 10k when i was child. The birth rate here is 1.9 while that for Muslims is much higher. i have figures but have been unable to confirm them to my satisfaction. There are enough here now for Tasmania to secede from the federation and to declare sharia law if they all moved there.

If any PC fool out there thinks that this is a joke then talk to ANY native Fijian about just how scared they are. Admittedly there the problem is Hindus and Muslims but within 160yrs 20K indians now outnumber the Fijians.

If you do such a projection here then apparently it will only take anohter 120 yrs at the current rate for Islam to dominate this country. How they can afford to do this? The MCCA with its 1% interest rate for housing makes 7 kids a little easier to afford.

I am of the opinion that France is doomed already and that Eurabia is no longer embryonic but actively foetal and that we have seen the the first obvious movements of the baby in the recent riots in France. God help Europe when this failed abortion is delivered!! And to top it off they wish to Invite a Muslim open door into the EU(Turkey). ...talk about suicide!!

Posted by: Zathras at December 17, 2005 6:46 AM

The "cancer" metaphor is one of two that have been standard in the Middle East since Israel's founding. The other one is: a "knife or dagger plunged into the heart of the Arabs." What must one do if threatened with a "cancer" or a "dagger in one's heart"? One does not remove "part" of a "cancer" but the entire thing, to ensure that it never grows back. And one does not pull a "dagger" part way out of one's body, and especially one's heart, but pulls it out alogether. The logic of these metaphors requires the total elimination of Israel. And that, of course, is what Islam itself demands -- no Infidel state, anywhere in Dar al-Islam. And in the end, no Infidel state to be -- anywhere.

Posted by: Hugh at December 17, 2005 7:20 AM

You have to at least admire their arrogance. They do everything 100X worse than whosoever they accuse and can still be blatantly nonchalant about their own hypocrisy. I am starting to wonder if we are actually witnessing the most thorough brainwashing in history in operation. It puts all of Islamic writing(from Muslim sources) in doubt in my mind as if they are so indoctrinated and if they believe the wholesale lies rampant with Islam then how can they ever be capable of a rational view of the world. It makes you wonder just how accurate are the haditha, Qur'an etc.

One interesting point which i have made before here is that because they are NOT allowed to even doubt let alone change one word in the Qur'an and they are all well aware of the consequences of doing so, then they must automatically have a mindset which cuts in whenever something contradictory occurs. In other words: as the degree of indocrination increases so does the ability to see and to think clearly diminish accordingly. If you add to this the chronic misinformation(see outright lies) that typifies Islam then you can see just how even the average Muslim can have a very distorted view of the world, Islam, the west and the Jews which he firmly beleiees to be the truth(would the prophet lie?). This also has a staganating effect upon creativity and general innovation as nothing can be unless the Qur'an allows it.

The only TRUE and justified use of the metaphor "cancer" is in the way the Islamic hordes are spreading all over the planet lierally by direct contact to Africa, Europe and the ME, while at the same time metastasising via airlines to NZ, Autralia and the USA etc. As cancers are usually hostile to the host then I think that it as a term can only truly be used to describe Muslims as Jews while retaining their beliefs manage to assimilate and to to be a real bonus to their new hosts unlike the Muslim parasites.

What is curious is whatever it was that managed to cause a remission in this cancer from 1683 on until 1945.

Itis my contention that the loss at Vienna meant that for the first time there was no flow on of loot and slaves to supply the Ottoman empire and that this started a decline in what was always a primarily parasitic slavedependednt economy and that this contributed to the continued military losses and that a positive feedback system switched on which slowly threw them out of most(unfortunately only most) of Europe. To this was added the control and then the elimination of Muslim sponsored piracy all over the Mediterranean which further exacerbated their economic decline. This inherent increase in the rot within Islam continued until the the 20th century and was one of the main reasons as to why Ataturk threw off the Islamic yoke in Turkey to give the Muslim world the first industrialised country (however pathetic by western stansdards.

However the advent of oil wealth and the urgent western need for it with the post WW2 car boom etc gave them back some of the economic advantage that they had lost re the west. However being naturally paranoid, most islamic countries poured their money into arms and armies(especially after the Jews were finally allowed to reverse the diaspora nad return to their long lost homeland) instead of improving life one iota for their own citizens. This has caused an effluent outflow of emigration to the west but they have brought along their lies, their gospel and their hatred of the west whose fault it was that they lost at Vienna and did all of this.

But very few of the countries in the ME have actually truly modernised their countries.Lebanon to a degree was trying to becomne modern but the civil wars destroyed that while curently i have the imporession that Iran is trying to modernise very quickly but within Islamic confines which is almost contradictory.

Islam will continue the war on two fronts: direct agressionn in the ME and via terrorism anywhere and the demographic wave of 5th columners who will be nicely ensconced in the west when the oil finally runs out.

This oil wealth has allowed their garbage gospel to be heard all over the west and listened to by scared western politicians and is the main if not the sole factor that has stopped the remission and caused a relapse of most dreadful of diseases: Islam.

I advise immediate surgery with post operative chemotherapy, immunotherapy and whatever else it takes to cure the world of this disease.

Posted by: Zathras at December 17, 2005 8:18 AM

I heard radiation therapy can be used to put the muslims out of their pain!

Posted by: Lulu at December 17, 2005 8:21 AM

Lulu I didn't say that on purpose as it was far too tempting but thank you anyway. :))

Posted by: Zathras at December 17, 2005 8:38 AM

Look, as long as you are saying that the holocaust never happened; the wailing wall never existed; the jews were never in the middle-east in the first place (perhaps they're misguided Swedes with a fetish for olive groves and fig trees?; then screw "the peace agreement with Israel" that didn't happen in 1979.

Those who look for reasons to go to war usually find them. So don't whine and bitch the next time you get creamed -- and creamed you shall be!

Posted by: witness at December 17, 2005 8:44 AM

CANCER:

There are many texts and references that attempt to define cancer. The simplest definition is from the American Cancer Society (ACS). According to the ACS, cancer is a group of diseases characterized by uncontrolled growth and spread of abnormal cells. If the spread is not controlled, it can result in death.

Clearly, Israel has no mission statement regarding the elimination of all arabs, Palestinians, or non-Jews from their lands. Like Rocky stated, the shoe fits one group amazingly well.

And like Hugh stated, the cancer must be completely removed or it will grow back. Islamic Jihad is no benign threat to civilization. At what point has the cancer spread to the point of no return?

Posted by: XRDC at December 17, 2005 10:09 AM

RE: Egypt's Muslim Brothers brand Israel a 'cancer'

Sounds more like "the pot calling the kettle black"

Cancer now has two new synonyms:
Muslim and Islam!!

Posted by: learjet0450 at December 17, 2005 11:02 AM

Maryrose, I completely agree with you, and in fact have been encouraged by the recent mb gains in egypt. It is so much better for the West to be dealing with the true, hideously ugly face of islam in the form of the present regimes in iran and the mb in egypt than the lying, taquyya-spewing, conniving, masked personas of islam in the form of the unctious al-saud or of "OUR tyrant" in pakistan. If the mb takes over egypt (and I hope they do), it will be hard for Dubya to justify continuing to pay the jizya.

Posted by: Infidel33 at December 17, 2005 12:00 PM

If civilization is to be saved. The hideous cancer that is ISLAM which is spreading all over the world has to be eradicated by any means available, before the whole body is consumed and destroyed. Mohammedans are the curse of the 21st century.

Posted by: faqi at December 17, 2005 1:01 PM

Mohammed Mehdi Akef said "That is for the people to decide... If I had the power I would put it to the people"

And since a vote would be democratic and democracy leads to peace & stability, and since almost all Muslims are peaceful except for the very rare "radicals", I'm sure the results of this referendum would lead to a peaceful co-existence with the non-Muslims of the world. Right.

If those in power who spout this nonsense really believed it, why not put it to the test and let the majority of "moderate" Egyptian Muslims decide the issue? Let's find out who has the better understanding of the Islamic man-on-the-street: the jihadists or the Western politicians.

Posted by: special_guest at December 17, 2005 1:11 PM

And the 20th, 19th, 18th, 17th, 16th, 15th, 14th, 13th, 12th, 11th, 10th, 9th, 8th, and 7th.

Posted by: Infidel33 at December 17, 2005 1:11 PM

The real cancer is Jew-hatred, a virrulent, brain-corroding disease which, on occasion, may be pushed into remission but for which there is no effective cure.

Posted by: scaramouoche at December 17, 2005 4:08 PM

As even the casual viewer can observe, there are no Arabs on Star Trek (hence, in the future).

Is there a message for us here?

Posted by: Big G In TX at December 17, 2005 10:36 PM

even the casual viewer can observe, there are no Arabs on Star Trek (hence, in the future).

Is there a message for us here?

Posted by: Big G In TX at December 17, 2005 10:36 PM

Unfortunately, most muslims aren't Arabs. Don't forget about the Pakistanis, Indonesians, Somalis,etc., etc. Muhammad infected vast geographical areas of the planet with his terminal disease.

Maybe non-evolving creatures like muslims and roaches have become indestructible. Muslims have been killing each other in large numbers for centuries, yet the muslim population continues to soar. Prolific breeding and simultaneous genocide/mass murder---Allah's method of population control.

There must be some way to reduce their obscene birthrates. The Palestinians accuse the Jews of poisoning the water and making the great macho, he-men sterile. I wish that were possible; what a perfect solution to the muslim problem. I thought that generations of inbreeding produced sterile offspring, but apparently it produces deranged, savage fiends who spawn replicates of themselves.

But you're right, there weren't any Arabs or muslims on Star Trek so they'll probably create a muslim version of Star Trek and claim they discovered the galaxy, invented space travel, and own the universe. They already own earth.

Posted by: Susanp at December 18, 2005 2:37 AM

Big G wrote:

As even the casual viewer can observe, there are no Arabs on Star Trek (hence, in the future).

Is there a message for us here?

Yes. I believe Klingons are a metaphor for Arabs and Moslems in Star Trek.

Here is some Klingon (i.e.- Moslem) lore:

Age of Ascension Ceremony

This ritual, also known as the Klingon Rite of Passage, marks the attainment of a new level of spirituality for a Klingon warrior. First the ascendee proclaims "DaHjaj SuvwI'e' jiH. tIgwIj Sa'angNIS. Iw bIQtIq jIjaH." - Today I am a Warrior. I must show you my heart. I travel the river of blood. Then the ascendee walks between two rows of warriors who subject him or her to pain sticks. The ascendee is expected to express his or her most profound feelings while under this extreme duress. The ceremony can be repeated as the warrior grows in maturity. Worf repeated the ceremony as a celebration of the ten year anniversary of his Age of Ascension.

Assassination

The assassin is considered to be an honorable profession. However, to carry out an honorable assassination, the assassin must show his or her face to the victim and they usually use a primitive simple weapon. The honorable assassin kills at close quarters.

Challenge Rituals

When a Klingon Warrior is accused by the Council, he has the right to challenge them. He presents evidence to the Council which then passes judgment. While being heard, the challenger appoints a cha'Dich (a second) who stands with him during the challenge or trial. Results of challenges are exoneration, discommendation or death.

cha'Dich

The cha'Dich is an individual appointed by a warrior to stand with him during a ceremonial challenge or trial. The cha'Dich must defend the one challenged because he or she is denied the right of combat while accused. The cha'Dich is given a ritual knife and stands along side his warrior during the challenge.

Death Related

a) Gre'thor
The place that the dishonored go when they die.

b) Klingon Death Ritual
A ceremony involving the death of a comrade. The fallen warrior's eyes were pried open and his comrades gathered around him. Then they "howl". This is a powerful howl that is not one of sorrow, but of victory for the fallen warrior. Klingons believe that the howl warns the dead that another Klingon warrior is about to arrive.

c) Klingon Death Howl
Part of the formal Klingon Death Ritual. (see above)

d) Jat'lyn
Klingon term for "spiritual possession". Translated it means, "The taking of the living by the dead".

e) Sto-Vo-Kor
Mythological place of Klingon afterlife.

Discommendation

The ritual shaming of a Klingon. When an individual receives discommendation, he or she is treated as if they did not exist. The individual loses his or her honor and the family is disgraced for seven generations.

Dishonorable Killings

Klingon belief holds that an individual should show his face to an enemy when he or she kills them. To kill an individual from behind, with poison or with one's face concealed is considered dishonorable. The individual shows his or her face so that the dying warrior will know whom to curse.

Hegh'bat

Literally translated as "The time to die", this is a Klingon ritualized suicide. When a Warrior can no longer stand and face his enemies, he brings himself an honorable death thru this ceremony. The eldest son of the individual, or a close friend would bring a ceremonial knife to the warrior who would plunge it into his or her chest. The son or friend would then remove the knife and wipe it on their sleeve.

Laws and Justice

a) Mek'ba
The Mek'ba is the name given to that part of a trial or challenge in which evidence is presented. The Mek'ba has strict rules for the presentation of evidence and for the conduct of both the accused and the accuser (much like Terran courts).

b) G'now juk Hol pajhard
Klingon law of Heredity. A son shall share in the honors or shame of his father.

Manhood Tradition

A Klingon youth was considered a man on the day he could first hold a blade.

Mating Ceremony

a) Selection and commitment to a mate
The words "jIH dok" (my blood) are spoken to one's mate and the mate replies "maj dok" (our blood). This exchange seals a marriage vow.

b) Tlinghan jIH
These words complete the oath between husband and wife during their marriage ceremony. It translates as " I am a Klingon".

c) jinaq
This is a traditional amulet studded with jewels that is given to a Klingon daughter when she is old enough to take a mate.

Mauk-to 'Vor

Ritual killing of an individual so that his honor can be restored.

Ritualized Killing

Also known as the Mauk-to 'Vor

Unfortunately, Star Trek predicts it will take at least 1000 years before a Moslem can be acculturated enough to join the federation (civilization).

Posted by: David England at December 18, 2005 8:27 AM

It would appear that muslims do not even meet the standards of the Klingons. Most muslims do not show their face when they murder someone.

Posted by: GFB at December 18, 2005 11:31 AM

More Islamic projection...

Take just about anything insulting or derogatory that a Muslim will say about the West, and it's a revelation about what HE does, what HE thinks, what HE plans for the infidel.

When a Muslim accuses the West of intolerance towards Islam -- he's really revealing how utterly intolerant Islam is of everything "un-Islamic".

When a Muslim concocts a story about a Muslim massacre at the hands of Westerners, he's really speaking about what the Muslim hopes to do, is doing, and has always done to "non-Muslims".

When a Muslim refers to Israel as a "Cancer" it is because of the Muslim's deep intrinsic knowledge that Islam itself is the ideological cancer of humanity.

Whenever a Muslim throws out a term such as "Islamophobia," he's trying to accuse us of bigotry and racism, and he's hoping to cow us into submission by cynically exploiting our innate desire to be fair, inclusive, and non-prejudicial... What he is revealing most is that HE, the MUSLIM is truly one of history's most hateful bigots, and that his ideology, the one that convinces him of his supremacy, is based on warfare against "non-Muslims" and ultimately the complete subjugation of them, or failing that, their complete cultural and geneological genocide.

The MUSLIM is the metastatic cancer cell which spreads the malignancy of Islam... The sooner measures are taken to first contain, and then surgically remove the mother tumor of Islam, the sooner humanity will reclaim its future. If this is not done, then within decades, the death and mayhem foist upon the non-Muslim world will rival all of the former horrors wreaked on mankind throughout history...

It may boil down to this... Do we want to destroy Islam, at the possible risk of killing tens of millions of persons, the same ones who would murder billions of us... Or do we want to sit idly by, more or less, and allow their cancer to spread until the entire human race is afflicted with their disease?

Posted by: jsla at December 18, 2005 1:39 PM

It may boil down to this... Do we want to destroy Islam, at the possible risk of killing tens of millions of persons, the same ones who would murder billions of us... Or do we want to sit idly by, more or less, and allow their cancer to spread until the entire human race is afflicted with their disease?

Posted by: jsla

What a choice! I'm afraid the latter is not an option, at least not for me. However, that's exactly what will happen if left to those in charge.

Posted by: Susanp at December 19, 2005 12:17 AM