Looks like there has been an assassination attempt on Marmeduke Ahmainejad's life - pity it wasn't successful! Ah well there is always another time... Must be Iranians out there who detest him as much as we do.

Posted by: Morgane at December 18, 2005 7:21 AM

The West is supposed to listen to a "madman". when will the iraninas have the balls to tell Marmeduke ahmainejad that his "emperor's clothes are off"!

Posted by: Lulu at December 18, 2005 7:35 AM

One should not snicker at the pronouncement from Iran. This is an example of what we can expect from Islam to their subdued dhimmis -- a dhimmi mindset requires that Muslims be permitted everything and dhimmis permitted to render tribute in an obsequious manner.

If someone threatens to kill you, believe him. If someone threatens to use a nuclear weapon against you, particularly predatory Muslim thugs such as iranians, believe them.

Posted by: epg at December 18, 2005 8:23 AM

The failed assassination attempt will probably be the first of many attempts until this menace is eliminated.

Posted by: learjet0450 at December 18, 2005 8:46 AM

"An academic issue"? Yes, you can tell from the scholarly language he uses: "Israel must be wiped off the map". Far too clever for the layman.

There's an interesting profile of Ahmadinejad in The Times.

He’s a tiny, wiry figure with a gaunt face and small black eyes that don’t seem to change expression,” says a journalist who followed him on the campaign trail. “He goes around in rumpled clothes and is as unsophisticated as he appears. He’s devout but he has no religious credentials.”

Beware expressionless eyes. The London bombers all had them.

The article also says he has doctorate in traffic management and engineering. Well, Islam is a one way system.

Posted by: Interested at December 18, 2005 8:54 AM

You have to be honest with yourself and boggle at this sort of statement. Firstly that anyone could be stupid enough to actually believe anything that they say at any level; and secondly to wonder whether they ever listen to or read anything that they actually say or write themselves. Or are we just seeing"islamic Infallibility"(there's a contradiction) in action where they can do/say no wrong.

This sort of comment is to be expected from patients with delusions of grandeur but it does give some insight into the perverse logic of their indoctrinated minds.

Posted by: Zathras at December 18, 2005 9:06 AM

What incredible arrogant hypocritical nonsence coming from both these fanatics. Can you hear the duck?can you see the duck? yes I see him in the forest but the trees are in the way. PLEASE!

Posted by: Mackie at December 18, 2005 9:07 AM

What I cant understand is why are we not crushing them right now. It is really sad that we are waiting for Israel to strike them.

Posted by: km at December 18, 2005 9:26 AM

It's a cruel twist of fate that white men discovered petroleum under the dead asses of our sand-encrusted Moslem neighbors.

For, without the oil leverage, the West could move in an deal with these cretins, maybe even solve a few academic mysteries for them.

SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT

I cherish Ahmadinejad, for he is the truce face of Islam. It's so much easier to attain clarity with a plainspoken Moslem on the microphone. Poor Ibrahim Hooper must be squirming in his Barcalounger, needful of telling a few of his patented lies to Tim Russert and the crowd.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at December 18, 2005 9:27 AM

Infact we should just be carpet bombing that whole region.

Posted by: km at December 18, 2005 9:27 AM

Keep talking, Mr. Ahmedinejad; the more you do, the more you embarrass yourself, and the world knows what you stand for. You're even opening the eyes of snoozing Europe.

Sanctions notwithstanding, we'd like to send you a fruit basket for uniting the West against you. We also think you could use the fiber.

Posted by: Shinoliite at December 18, 2005 9:35 AM

"Westerners are used to leading a monologue but they should learn to listen to different views," [Asefi] added.

Not when they're outright lies, you @sshole.

Posted by: Rick at December 18, 2005 9:36 AM

The toleration of evil is evil in itself.

And a tolerant society simply can not tolerate intolerance.

Posted by: Tom at December 18, 2005 9:39 AM

Dihmitude at its finest...Moving Israel to Alaska??? Lets see here, Isaac was born to Abraham and his wife Sarah and Ishmael was born to Abraham and his mistress Hagaar, who came first??? Very good, God came first and when Hagaar was sent out to the desert and encountered SATAN thus was Islam born for revenge.

Lies,lies and more lies is what Islam spews through they're book of the koran.

Posted by: chuck at December 18, 2005 9:55 AM

You guys are very optimistic.

This loony is not uniting the world one bit. These bastards have our measure. We are divided and pathetic, just as we were when Constantinople fell.

Don't even mention the UN. They give good outrage. Action? don't make me laugh.

What are the EU going to do? Sweet F*&k All, that's what. Just like witholding their aid from the "Palestinians" when Hamas runs the "occupied territories"? Yeah right. I'll believe that when I see it.

The US? Probably the same, given the idiots who seem to be in charge of the State Dept.

What just might unite the world will be the actions of poor bloody Israel when they go in and take out this cretin and his atomic toys - without any help from anybody else.

After that, I cannot see any outcome other than everybody having to choose sides. Now that really will be a situation where people will be either with us or against us.

Posted by: Anthony at December 18, 2005 10:05 AM

Ahmadinejad last week called the Holocaust a myth.

Funny you can still talk to eye witnesses who are alive. For instance there is this POW that worked in a farm nearby to a concentration camp and was repeatedly threatened by the locals that if he stepped out of line he would be turned into the smoke pouring out of the camp.

The same help to authenticity cannot be afforded islam.

Perhaps the middle east could recriprocate and accept that Islam is "a matter for academic discussion".

oops, nearly forgot for a moment how they try to use civilised manners to hope we forget that if islam is diccussed academically we wont expect the arab monologue to stop and them to listen. No, we will be killed. Perhaps if we draw some cartoons no one will mind a discussion?

Maybe we could ask Irananians if they are jeleaous because the west killed so many jews and they feel upstagged?

We should learn from the holocaust that if we stand by while they kill jews, they will come to kill us later and so stop them right now.

(PS does anyone know if more or less civilians died in the world when there was gunboat diplomacy rather than the UN?)

Posted by: exposesithlords at December 18, 2005 10:06 AM

So you think the Holocaust was a myth? How about this for a myth Ahmad-Jihad - the angel Gabriel!!
The twelth imman. You dips**t!!

Posted by: GFB at December 18, 2005 10:33 AM

TOM: "The toleration of evil is evil in itself."

Some truths are intrinsic. This is one of them.

Posted by: Cornelius at December 18, 2005 11:00 AM

It's clear to anyone with a clue that the Holocaust and Holocaust denial spring from the same kind of evil.

Posted by: scaramouoche at December 18, 2005 11:24 AM

Wake up call! The latest of so many I can't count them all. Where's the outrage? Where's the media?

Posted by: kevin at December 18, 2005 1:24 PM

so radical islam is using the weapon of political correctness against us, eh?

hopefully we won't be hoist with our own petard.

ps: click below if you don't know what a petard is:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=petard

Posted by: Jim at December 18, 2005 3:01 PM

This type of remark, shows how uneducated these people are, they dont even seem to realise how backward they are. The ignorance of this religion is pathetic, and so sad. They yell loud and clear that they were scientifically and mathematically years ahead of the rest of the world and how scholarly their religion is, yet they don't seem to know that all of their scholarly advances were hijacked from other races, they just had a bit of sense to put it together.... BUT, I gather this was before Islam started, and since then it has all been down hill for them and back to the dark ages...any country they forcibly take over is also plunged back into the dark ages and the poor people don't even realise, it is so sad...

Posted by: Gaye at December 18, 2005 3:31 PM

Off topic but... I've read The Arab Mind by Patai, P.I.G., Unveiling Islam, and the Myth of Islamic Tolerance all by Spencer. I am reading The Islamic Holy War and the Fate of Non-Muslims by Bostom and plan to read Eurabia next. Can anyone recommend good translations of the Q'uran, the Suras and the Hadith?

Posted by: ARAKIS at December 18, 2005 4:00 PM

"...btw. in this context i don't believe in holocaust (sacrificial offering), but i believe that millions were murdered by nazis."

Just incorrect- it was indeed a sacrificial offering in the religious sense and scope. Whilst the other groups were sacrificed for their 'inferiority' as such, the point of the sacrifice, was to eliminate every man, women, and child of jewish origin. Whether they were religious or not. The Reason, according to Hitler, to his closest associates, the jew, by virtue of something in his makeup, even if never educated in the Torah, would remember the tenets of Sinai- which is what Hitler truly hated, and that was ....G-d

He hated the tenets- the strong have to care for the weak, thous shalt not kill, etc etc etc.

This he said, was what was in the very being of anyone born jewish, whether they knew it or not.
The others could be killed off simply as fetters to the state, thus partially, the JW's, the Roma, and the nuns, and priests- because the people could revert back to their pagan origins and thus compete for survival- but the jew- they had to be exterminated.

The fact that Hitler failed in the 'extermination' is what the wannabe murderer, The President of Iran half refers too- he believes that would be a wonderful thing for the world to do.

Mark

Posted by: mgoldberg at December 18, 2005 4:22 PM

RE: small black eyes that don’t seem to change expression.

Evil is emotionless hence his eyes will never change expression.

And maybe add cold and heartless to those "small black eyes" and I am sure those "eyes" are seared into the memory of some of the American Hostages whom say that he was one of the abductors.

Posted by: learjet0450 at December 18, 2005 5:26 PM

"Westerners are used to leading a monologue but they should learn to listen to different views," he added.

Let me get this straight. Ahmadinejad is giving advice to the west about diversity??

Ha Ha Ha. I just have to laugh about this nonsense.

This is akin to Stalin offering courses in capitalism and democracy.

Or Hitler offering sensitivity classes in racism.

Ahmadinejad is an Islamic funadamentalist who wants Israel wiped out of the Middle East and yet he still thinks he can lecture the west about diversity and tolerance.

Is there something wrong with this picture?

Come on Prez Ahmadinejad......we aren't that stupid to fall for your little Iranian tricks.

Iran is not the beacon for diversity and tolerance in the world.

But I bet that the stupid politically correct western media will probably report your nonsense and give it some credibilty in one way or another.

Tolerance is the supreme virtue in the west right now.

Posted by: Johnathan at December 18, 2005 6:12 PM

Since any and every claim is worthy of academic discussion, dixit ahmadeviljad, then how about considering the proposition that the present president of Iran represents a danger to the continued existence of civilization in the world, on the planet Earth.

Can we hear the ayes and the nays?

Posted by: Eliyahu at December 18, 2005 7:15 PM

I put up a FEW SAMPLES on my web site of
Islams Tolerance twards non muslims , christians and Jews...

The pictures are just from varios web sites..

There is so much evidence to PROVE that ISLAM is a DEMONIC DEATH CULT.. that to deny it would be similar to denying that WWII ever took place..

But i am sure the Leftists and Islamic terrorists will find some way to deny even the Most BASIC and Undeniable truth....

After ALL we cant imagine that Maybe just Maybe..
America and President Bush ...

WERE

RIGHT ALL ALONG??

Now could we...

Posted by: jingoist at December 18, 2005 7:49 PM

Arakis... This might save you some dough, as well as wondering where that dough might end up.

This site at USC gives three translations side-by-side:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/

Hope that helps!

Posted by: Shinoliite at December 18, 2005 7:52 PM

Can someone enlighten me: Is the University of Southern California a moslem uni? It seems to be as I browsed the koran link above and found it said the following in all seriousness:

" We have provided three translations here to emphasize this point. In its natural language (Arabic), the Qur'an is the direct Word of Allah (God) to mankind through the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Any translation of the Qur'an no longer retains that 'official' and perfect status, however it can be tremendously helpful to beginning students wanting to learn more about Islam. "

"Corrections:
[Yusuf Ali], M. Shakir: All references to "apostle" have been replaced by the more fitting "messenger" lest any Christian in particular get the wrong idea."

what is going on at this uni??????????

Arabic perfect. ha ha ha ha. I have lived in many places in the world and the notion that the arabic language and therefore people are even close to perfect flies in the face of observation.

Posted by: exposesithlords at December 18, 2005 8:34 PM

I just finished watching a great show on the history channel that delved into the cooperation of muslims with the Nazis in WWII. Specifically, there was a Bagdad immam named Al Huseini who traveled to Germany and met face to face with Hitler. He was particularly impressed with the Nazi plan to wipe out the Jews.

He was of valuable assistance in recruiting Croatiam muslims. The Germans actually granted him his own SS unit that was particulatly ruthless even by Nazi standards. How could the Nazis with their Ayrian litmus test accept an Arab into the SS you might ask? Why they made a special analysis and determined that Al Huseini was...caucasian.

At the end of the war when the Russians were closing in on Hitler's bunker in Berlin, some of the last Nazi defenders were about 100 Bosnian muslims that fought fanatically to the end.

Posted by: GFB at December 18, 2005 8:53 PM

GFB there were 3 Muslim divisions within the SS: the 13th, the 21st and the 23rd. All of them were totally useless as fighting divisions and achieved records only in desertion rates and the number of innocent christian civilians they killed. Typically as soon as they were armed they started Jihad but killed a few too many of the pronazi Croatian peasants. This turned the proNazi Ustacha against them and himmler had to disband all three before his own allies did so permanently.

The battle for the chancellory was fought by mostly French SS troops(Charlemagne battalion)with a smattering of Hitler Youth and army stragglers. But elsewhere in Berlin the Nordland divions fought with Dutch, Danish, Belgian,Swedish, Norwegian, Latvian,Estonian Ukrainian and Spanish members. I know of no involvement of Muslim troops at all. So I do doubt that there were any Muslim troops there at all.

Knowing the selfishness and parochiality of islam I see no chance of any of them being willing to die for a nonIslamic cause(even one that killed 6 mill Jews) and more especially so as the war was obviously lost by then. Can you really imagine a Muslim fighting to the death for someone else's cause?

Sorry to disagree but i dont want the memories of brave, if misguided, men besmirched by the Islamic taint

Posted by: Zathras at December 19, 2005 12:12 AM

perhaps someone here has an answer to the question following.
Why did Louis Herbert Samuel, the Palestinian high commissioner, pardon Husseini from his fifteen year sentence in jail for organising and icintg the murder of Jews (1920) in Jerusalem and appoint him as Grand Mufti.
Samuels was himself a Jew! and he had been warned by the other Clerics who were for making peace with the Jews, that Husseini was not only unqualified but extremely dangerous.(They were later murdered by Husseini).
This remains a mystery and one which would ultimately lead to Yasser Arafat and years of mayhem.
Samuels himself would later halt the immigration of persecuted Jews from europe!
in July 1922 the British partitioned the area of the Palestine Mandate by excluding the area east of the Jordan River from Jewish settlement. That land, 76% of the original Palestine Mandate land, was renamed Transjordan and was given to the Emir Abdullah to rule.

Posted by: chevalier de st george at December 19, 2005 1:15 AM

GFB,
sorry I didn't get to watch the film about Arab-Nazi colloboration. The Husseini you mention was Haj Muhammad Amin el-Husseini [also spelled Husayni], the British-appointed mufti of Jerusalem. He was living in Baghdad from 1939 to 1941 [approx.]. In Iraq he was much involved in pro-Nazi intrigue and an Iraqi govt investigating commission later found him guilty of stirring up [in cooperation with others] hatred of Jews that led to the massacre called the Farhud in Spring 1941, during the Jewish holiday of Shavu`ot, of 600 Jews [according to Elie Kedourie, or only 180 according to another estimate]. He spent the rest of the war living in the Nazi-fascist domain with his residence at Berlin.
The Germans gave the Croatian pro-Nazi Ustashi regime control over Bosnia too, so the Croatian Muslims you mention were actually Bosnians.

Zathras,
the Handschar [khanjar] SS division also murdered Jews in Yugoslavia, not only Christians.

Chevalier,
Just what motivated Herbert Samuel to appoint Husseini mufti, against the wishes of the committee of Muslim clerics supposed to choose a new mufti --as you note-- is not clear, and has been subject to speculation by some historians. We do know that, whereas Balfour and Lloyd George were pro-Zionist, Curzon was anti-Zionist and Judeophobic, as were Allenby and other British officials on site in Jerusalem [Ernest Richmond, Storrs, Waters-Taylor, etc.]. So Samuel's decision may have been on the advice of such as Storrs and Richmond, or in coordination with certain personalities in London, or for other or a combination of reasons. Places to look for an answer are: Richard Meinertzhagen, Middle East Diary; Samuel Katz, Jabo [well-documented biography of Jabotinsky]; William Ziff, Rape of Palestine; books and articles by Isaiah Friedman, Benzion Netanyahu, Joseph Schechtman, etc.

Posted by: Eliyahu at December 19, 2005 5:40 AM

Just an aside: The uncle of Saddam Husein was a strong supporter of el Husseini and participated in the unsuccessful pro Nazi uprising against the British during WWII. When the coup failed, the uncle was jailed and then later released. He brought up a young Saddam and was instrumental in getting Saddam admitted to the Baath party in the early stages. Deviant minds think alke.

Posted by: GFB at December 19, 2005 9:12 AM

Elijahu

Re the 13th SS Mountain Division Handschar

I did not mention the Jewish murders as being SS one would have more surprised if they had not murdered any. However the biggest murder of Christians was performed in daylight and out in the open to the considerable embarrassment of the Germans. Although it was spontaneous it had its origins in a previous mass killing of Christians (witnesses).
They were planning to go back and “cleanse “ the place(of witnesses) when Himmler intervened directly and moved it elsewhere. It was made up mostly of Muslims but also had some conscripted Croatian Christians in it.

The other 2 divisions were never complete divisions but they still managed to excel at atrocities and were given up upon and disbanded fairly quickly as Wehrmacht commanders refused to work with them or even near them. Even the SS of the SS Prinz Eugen division were disgusted with them. In open combat they were totally useless and gutless.

Posted by: Zathras at December 20, 2005 2:10 AM

We COULD make a hudaibiya bargain with Mr. Ahmadinejad. We could extend as much tolerance for Islamic views as Islam shows non-Muslim views.

However, Islam isn't worth the paper the Qur'ans are printed on. And of course neither would any agreement with it be.

Posted by: pythagoras at December 20, 2005 7:40 PM