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All right, let's go through this one more time. Are there any Muslims who are hoping to launch a chemical or nuclear attack against the United States? Yes. Is there a strict wall of separation in the American Muslim community between them and peaceful Muslims? No, there isn't. Is there any easy way to tell, or any reliable way to tell at all, which Muslim may be working to launch such a strike and which abhors the very idea? No, there isn't. Do the Muslims who hope to perpetrate such violence operate in mosques? Yes, they do.
And finally: will the result of this report be less of such surveillance, making it easier for these violent thugs to operate under cover of darkness? Could be.
From Reuters:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. officials have secretly monitored radiation levels at Muslim sites, including mosques and private homes, since September 11, 2001 as part of a top secret program searching for nuclear bombs, U.S. News and World Report said on Friday.The news magazine said in its online edition that the far-reaching program covered more than a hundred sites in the Washington, D.C., area and at least five other cities.
"In numerous cases, the monitoring required investigators to go on to the property under surveillance, although no search warrants or court orders were ever obtained, according to those with knowledge of the program," the magazine said.
The report comes a week after revelations that the Bush administration had authorized eavesdropping on people in the United States. U.S. President George W. Bush has defended that covert program and vowed to continue the practice, saying it was vital to protect the country.
Senior U.S. officials, including FBI Director Robert Mueller, have repeatedly said Islamic militants appeared intent on acquiring weapons of mass destruction for an attack against the United States.
Mueller said in February he was "very concerned with the growing body of sensitive reporting that continues to show al Qaeda's clear intention to obtain and ultimately use some form of chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-energy explosives material in its attacks against America."
An FBI spokesman declined to confirm or deny the U.S. News and World Report article and said, "We can't talk about a classified program."
"The FBI's overriding priority is to prevent, disrupt and defeat terrorist operations in the U.S. All investigations and operations conducted by the FBI are intelligence driven and predicated on specific information about potential criminal acts or terrorist threats, and are conducted in strict conformance with federal law," he added.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations advocacy group said the report, coupled with news of the domestic eavesdropping, "could lead to the perception that we are no longer a nation ruled by law, but instead one in which fear trumps constitutional rights."
See the disjunction between those two statements? These issues should be studied and settled by the Supreme Court, sooner rather than later, if possible in a way that clears up the legal and Constitutional issues rather than adding to them. I know that in that I may be asking too much.
"All Americans should be concerned about the apparent trend toward a two-tiered system of justice, with full rights for most citizens, and another diminished set of rights for Muslims," it said in a statement.Federal officials cited by U.S. News and World Report maintained the program was legal and said warrants were not needed for the kind of radiation sampling it conducted. Officials also rejected any notion that the program specifically targeted Muslims, the magazine said....
What a shame. Until Methodists start committing acts of terrorism and violence the world over, justifying these acts by reference to their theology, I will not understand why government and law enforcement officials cannot simply say that it is Muslims who want to kill us for Islamic reasons, and so we will be deploying our resources accordingly.
At its peak, the effort involved three vehicles in the Washington area monitoring 120 sites a day, nearly all of them Muslim targets such as prominent mosques and office buildings selected by the FBI, it said.The program has also operated in at least five other cities -- namely Chicago, Detroit, Las Vegas, New York, and Seattle -- when threat levels there have risen, it said.
Posted by Robert at December 23, 2005 4:21 PM
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Surveillance and monitoring of radiation levels
in suspicious buildings INCLUDING MOSQUES seem very sane and sensible measures to me.Was amazed
by a naive reporter who said of London Bombings 'young Muslims are rebelling like teenagers did during the 1960's' - Pardon me I wasn't aware that 'Teenage rebels' did more than
ride around in noisy cars & use bad language to their parents. THESE TEENAGERS WANT TO KILL PEOPLE INCLUDING MORONS LIKE DIPSTICK REPORTERS -
THEY INTEND EXPLODING THEMSELVES AND FAST FRYING
MEN,WOMEN & KIDS!
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at December 23, 2005 4:53 PM
What a TEASER! We want to know the curie & roentgen report!!!
It wouldn't matter, anyway. I'm sure any levels of radiation detected are there for peaceful purposes.
Posted by: XRDC at December 23, 2005 4:54 PM
By far the most positive report I've heard about our government in a long time. Another good reason to like this is because it will receive high visibility among our entire population as the liberals come out of the woodwork to assail the government; again confirming their complete failure to understand that a war is going on.
Wonderful news!!!!
Posted by: Elad at December 23, 2005 4:57 PM
Condisering 80 % of mosques are believed to funded by wahabbi Saudi money we should be INCREASING our surveillance
Posted by: JadeDragoness at December 23, 2005 5:01 PM
In its legal brief describing the rational basis for such policies, the government should quote at great length from the canonical texts -- Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira. It should quote as well both from Muslim commentators on the Qur'an, and major figures in Islamic history, including Al-Ghazzali, Ibn Khaldun, and others, excerpts of whose opinions on the necessity for Jihad (then understand as involving military combat, or violence) can be found in "The Legacy of Jihad." Get it all out, put it all there, for the journalists to cover. Make sure that such a suit, if brought by CAIR or others, gets constant attention. And hope that the case, and all of the evidence, or much of it, can make it into the next edition of Constitutional Law textbooks, so that every law student in this country is necesarily required to make his way through those passages from Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, those Qur'anic commentators, those Muslim theologians and historians, those innocent law students.
Exploit every such occasion as a pedagogic opportunity.
at December 23, 2005 5:13 PM
"I will not understand why government and law enforcement officials cannot simply say that it is Muslims who want to kill us for Islamic reasons, and so we will be deploying our resources accordingly."
-- posted by Robert
Boy, I sure hope you don't come face-to-face with Hillary at one of these fancy conferences, cuz if you do she's gonna bitch-slap you galore and then knee-launch you off the stage but pronto. And you better hope her husband Bill ain't there, cuz he was a Viet Nam war hero.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at December 23, 2005 5:14 PM
Related Post:
Kudos to the FBI for Monitoring for Radiation
http://ginacobb.typepad.com/gina_cobb/2005/12/kudos_to_the_fb.html
at December 23, 2005 5:27 PM
This is the best bit of news coming from the US. We know Islam is the cause of all the problems in the West. But no one in Government dare say it, as it is.
I wish the British authorities & others in Europe take a good look at what the US is doing to take care of its citizens
at December 23, 2005 5:34 PM
The Council on American-Islamic Relations advocacy group said the report, coupled with news of the domestic eavesdropping, "could lead to the perception that we are no longer a nation ruled by law, but instead one in which fear trumps constitutional rights."There's a constitutional right to emit nuclear radiation? I'd like to see that in print somewhere.
Posted by: Beagle
at December 23, 2005 5:39 PM
Detroit? Does that have anything to do with the Muslim Community of Western Suburbs (MCWS) of Detroit, in Canton, Michigan?
www.geocities.com/anti_mcws
I did research at the Muslim Community of Western Suburbs when I was a spy for the American Terror Watch, which monitors the terrorist ideologies (as opposed to radiation) coming from these mosques, as terrorist ideologies are usually generated before radiation. Some of my startling findings have been pubslished on the About the Muslim Community of Western Suburbs of Detroit website (A MCWS) : www.geocities.com/anti_mcws
Posted by: jihad at December 23, 2005 5:41 PM
The reports of wiretaps and nuclear investigations gives me hope. For all of the prattle about the religion of peace and Islam means peace and this is a 'war against terrorism', W and company understand, by action-not word, that this is a war against Islamic militancy, and that the Saudi financed mosques deserve special attention.
Posted by: biorabbi at December 23, 2005 6:00 PM
Now this I can live with, by monitoring radiation levels at select sites and keeping the radicals from actually putting something like this together...well I dont see it as a civil rights violation.
Posted by: chuck at December 23, 2005 6:03 PM
Well, I guess it's not a "secret" anymore.
Funny how so much stuff like this ends up as "news".
They tell our enemies everything.
at December 23, 2005 6:21 PM
you know, I have to admit that I was beginning o have second thoughts about pres Bush vis a vis Iraq. However, I am SOOOOO glad that this man is our president.
A liberal/democrat would not have the balls to do what this president is doing. These muslims don't love america and we don't want them here.
The more I find out about what President Bush is doing in the shadows, the happier i am that he is our President.
God Bless America!
at December 23, 2005 6:23 PM
US News: Nuclear Monitoring of Muslims Done Without Search Warrants
Was CAIR HQ monitored? I hope so.
at December 23, 2005 6:24 PM
"fear trumps constitutional rights."The same constitutional rights that CAIR want to replace with Sharia law.
Posted by: RED at December 23, 2005 7:12 PM
Quotations.What Muslims have said:Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths,but to become dominant.The Koran,the Muslim book of scripture,should be the highest authority in America,and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth. - Omar Ahmad,co-founder of CAIR.
Posted by: RED at December 23, 2005 7:35 PM
Why do I get the feeling that the MSM is going to get a lot of use killed one of these days.
Posted by: Mackie at December 23, 2005 7:44 PM
Must be that "Dhimmi Bush" administration and the "keystone kops" (sarcasm) that so many here are sure do not take the threat of Islamic extremism seriously (sarcasm).
Well, why don't we hear such comments now?
I mean shouldn't such critics be consistent?
Or is distantly possible that such critics may even think the Bush administration has done something RIGHT for a change?
Heaven forbid (sarcasm).
at December 23, 2005 9:42 PM
May I simply second templar.....I am sooooo glad too.
I do not think people realize enough how President Bush is steadily mantaining the course he believes is right. And I believe it is the right course, misstakes? Of course , but again I am soooo glad he is our President.
Why do they hate him soooo much,? Precisely because of that.
I saw and listen today in The Factor the guy from ABC
,apparently he is a crusader for THE TRUTH, and in his view this noble sentiment trumps all. It seems he feels so noble and above the rest of the us. I guess some guys cannot look outside their own tiny perspective of the world, their narrow minded perspective of the world, and have completly forgoten
9-11, the attack on the US Cole, the attacks on our Embassies and so many other attacks....
at December 23, 2005 10:03 PM
I've got no problem with air and radiation monitoring at publicly accessible sites. The Jihad against the West clearly emanates from a source which identifies itself as Islam. Therefore, it seems a good idea to monitor centers of Islam. I'd just hate for the FBI to zero in on some poor guy with radioactive "seeds" implanted as a cancer treatment.
Do Muslims ALWAYS impose Shariah law upon their conquered lands? Do they ALWAYS force NonMuslims into dhimmitude? Is there really a threat of a "worldwide Caliphate"? Are they really PLANNING to infiltrate and outpopulate us? Is Jihad against "unbelievers" always going to be a factor? I guess I'm asking, is it not possible for Islam to moderate itself? Does it always have to have an element of threat?
I have always thought that the best way to defeat radical Islam would be from inside Islam itself, a job for moderate Muslims. In the past, I have stated that it was the responsibility of moderates to reign in their own radical elements - that if they didn't do it, it would be done for them. I have no doubt that such moderates exist: those who can coexist peacefully with "nonbelievers", and share some of the same basic values with us. But where are they? Are they small in number? Have they united against Jihad?
I think it is important to not alienate those Muslims who reject Jihad and the killing of innocents. While I really have no qualms about offending a radical Islamist (they're angry already), I am concerned about some remarks offending Muslims who might also fight against Jihad. There are probably practicing Muslims among our number here, thinking very like we do, but who might not appreciate some of the humor. Just my 2 cents. No I'm not a coddler, nor a dhimmi. But it would be a shame to alienate our potential allies against what sure looks a threat from radical Islam.
Posted by: Jim at December 23, 2005 10:13 PM
Bravo, Feds! Bravo, FBI! Bravo, George Bush!!
They're on the ball. I was so happy when I heard this on the radio earlier today.
"Officials also rejected any notion that the program specifically targeted Muslims, the magazine said...." Pretty tricky, that, targeting mosques but not targeting Muslims.
Target away, fellas.
at December 23, 2005 10:18 PM
Only a complete idiot could have any objection to this program. One hopes there are all sorts of other things going on as well. After all, all sorts of other things are going on among those who support the Jihad, in any of its various guises and using any of its possible instruments. The first duty of our government is to protect the lives of its citizens. That means taking reasonable steps, and monitoring for radiation at mosques and linked sites is, given the world today, given the clearly expressed opinions of many Muslims here, there, and everywhere, given what is contained in Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, given the 1350-year history of Muslim conquest of non-Muslim lands and subjugation of the non-Muslims living within them, there is no reason not to worry. There is every reason to worry.
Nihad Awad appeared on television: furrowed brow, troubled look. High up in CAIR. The news-reader or mezzobusto forgot to tell us about Nihad Awad. The Executive Director of CAIR has learned to mind his tongue, especially after 9/11/2001. But he has expressed support in the past for Hamas, a terrorist organization, and he was not above attempting to blame Mossad for the first World Trade Center bombing. For more on Nihad Awad and Omar Ahmad (anyone in the computer industry should take note of Ahmad's company, and may want to inquire further as to what other companies give him business, and whether or not you, in turn, wish to have any dealings with those other companies), and all the others at CAIR, go to http://www.anti-cair-net.org and read a bit. For Awad specifically, http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12470 is another place to start.
Don't you think that Awad deserved just a bit more introduction to the American audience?
Posted by: Hugh at December 23, 2005 10:33 PM
These classified leaks of top secret intell info is very, very troubling.
Its plain treason is rife in the CIA, the media and among Dem ranks. All that heat and smoke on the Valerie Plame non-affair and now where is the clamor to prosecute and investigate the really heavy issues that genuinely matter to national security?!
The more that is revealed about the secret actions of the Bush admin, the more my confidence rises that America remains the foremost hope of the world in the war against jihad.
Posted by: voletti at December 23, 2005 11:12 PM
The timing of these leaks makes me wonder if they're intentional. Since it's a major travel holiday, could these 'leaks' set any potential threat out of kilter?
Clever psy op? Or intelligence breach giving warning?
Posted by: justamomof4 at December 23, 2005 11:29 PM
Jim above is woried about annoying "moderate" muslims who might be our "allies". To this I say:
Those who might actually be our allies won't be bothered by actions like this, and their numbers are most likely so small as not to matter anyway.
I see only two varieties of muslim: those openly dedicated to our destruction or subjugation, and those who are in deep cover reserve, waiting for their orders! If I'm wrong, then let the "moderates" stand and be counted!
at December 24, 2005 12:47 AM
Oh give me a break. Let them eat cake!
See my comment over at The Volokh Conspiracy:
A Case for Transparent Privacy
I would encourage readers to check out my piece re the LE paradigm. Granted, it might be a little rough around the edges for these hollowed halls. It does come from my perspective as a local LE professional who has written over 500 search warrants in his career some of which have included high tech related issues.
It boils down to this, you can't win a war by playing defense. There is no way you can protect all potential targets from attack from all possible scenarios. This results in the under utilization and misallocation of scarce resources. Think "pork barrel" and "gold plated fire trucks" that everyone is trying to get with DHS money.
You must play offense, deploy your resources intelligently, and in all cases engage the enemy.
This is where the traditional LE paradigm breaksdown. This is not a police action where the rules can include the finer points of probable cause. The apprehension and prosecution of the prepetraitors becomes nonrelevant. The mission should be to prevent an attack. The players become insignificant. After all because of the enemy's radical extremist religious cult-like ideology/belief structure, it's agents launch suicidal attacks.
[...]
[WMD, dirty bomb, or chem bio attack]
Anyone of these could literally destablized our government and society. Now you tell me whether a little transparent privacy is in order here until we can wipe this ideology of hate and evil from the face of this earth?
OK I'm done now.
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Posted by: Ron Wrght at December 24, 2005 12:47 AM
"with full rights for most citizens, and another diminished set of rights for Muslims"
Looks like the Muslims are crying persecution. Doesn't that now justify their Jihad against us?
Maybe things will be coming to a head quicker than I thought. The sooner the better in my opinion, the evolutionary Muslims are the most dangerous. If this gets a full on "Jihad" going - at least then our pollies might have no option but to declare both where their loyalties lye, and what Islam really is - a warrior code.
What's the bet they will now turn their attention to the Dhimmi EU lands? The USA seems to becomming a "too hard basket" - God Bless the USA!!!
at December 24, 2005 1:05 AM
GOD BLESS President Bush.Thank God. He has got it right, he knows who the enemy is and is taking necessary action to protect the innocent citizens of the US. How I wish the EU countries and Russia take the same actions
If Muslims don't like it, they could leave, no one is holding them back. NO one invited them in the first place. They are here of their own volition.They could go back to their Islamic paradises
at December 24, 2005 4:09 AM
"These issues should be studied and settled by the Supreme Court, sooner rather than later, if possible in a way that clears up the legal and Constitutional issues rather than adding to them. I know that in that I may be asking too much."
If you are referring to the issue of a search warrant for radiation monitoring the answer is that all that has been settled. There are clear legal guidelines about when a warrant is needed and when it is not. This faux hand wringing by CAIR is just traitorous obfuscation by the leaders of the Muslim Fifth Column (MFC). They try to create doubt in the minds of the clueless by characterizing established and legitimate law enforcement tools as somehow outrightly illegal or at best highly questionable.
Only in our upside down world of politically correct moral relativism do the victims become the perpetrators and the perpetrators become the victims.
at December 24, 2005 8:07 AM
this news makes me feel good. maybe they're not a bunch of keystone cops after all. makes we wonder if, when Bush is talking "religion of peace" crap, he's got his fingers crossed behind his back.
Posted by: theygottago at December 24, 2005 8:54 AM
From today's (12-24)news :
Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington-based civil rights group, said Friday the program "comes as a complete shock to us and everyone in the Muslim community."
"This creates the appearance that Muslims are targeted simply for being Muslims. I don't think this is the message the government wants to send at this time," he said.
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from yesterday's troll:
Quotations.What Muslims have said:Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths,but to become dominant.The Koran,the Muslim book of scripture,should be the highest authority in America,and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth. - Omar Ahmad,co-founder of CAIR
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And then Jim comes in with??????????
I think it is important to not alienate those Muslims who reject Jihad and the killing of innocents. While I really have no qualms about offending a radical Islamist (they're angry already), I am concerned about some remarks offending Muslims who might also fight against Jihad. There are probably practicing Muslims among our number here, thinking very like we do, but who might not appreciate some of the humor. Just my 2 cents. No I'm not a coddler, nor a dhimmi. But it would be a shame to alienate our potential allies against what sure looks a threat from radical Islam.
Posted by: Jim
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What is it gonna to take to convince the naive people as to the real threat to the Western Civilization...actually that should be a threat to the world,,,,and open thine eye's as too who the enemy is???????
Posted by: chuck at December 24, 2005 9:06 AM
They tell our enemies everything.
-- kentim
Why do I get the feeling that the MSM is going to get a lot of use killed one of these days.
-- Mackie
Back in WWII, they had this saying:
Loose Lips Sink Ships
Perhaps we could come up with something similar for this war
How about:
Too much 411 gets another 911
or
Media Powers bring down Towers
or
Jihadists use unbridled "news"
Thoughts? Suggestions?
Posted by: Big G In TX at December 24, 2005 10:56 AM
CAIR should view this action not as a form of discrimination, but as a helpful service provided especially for them. The government is doing free radon testing for all their buildings!
Posted by: GFB at December 24, 2005 12:50 PM
Hey chuck, I ain't no troll.I post that quotation to back up my first post that CAIR want's to replace our Constitution with Sharia law.That's not my statement that is Omar Ahmad the co-founder of CAIR.Cair is the advocacy group that is complaining that fear trumps constitutional rights.
Posted by: RED at December 24, 2005 12:58 PM
to Jim...
I don't know how many muslims you know, but I know many. I generally find them to be friendly, but when it comes to talking politics watch out. I believe that the majority YES THE MAJORITY of muslim people are anti-semetic..partly from jealousy, partly because they need to scapegoat someone for their miserable lives back in the mid-east. And, I find that the MAJORITY of muslims believe that George Bush is a terrorist, more so than Osama bin Laden.
Truthfully, I find the MAJORITY of muslims to be anti semetic, anti American, and Pro-terrorist. And after hundreds(yes hundreds) of murders committed in the name of their "Holy" book - THE ONUS IS ON THEM TO PROVE TO US THAT THEY ARE NOT TERRORISTS. I for one, think they are full of S%^&.
at December 24, 2005 2:31 PM
I once read a journalist's account of his experiences reporting from the front in WWII. He said he had to submit all his stories to an Army censor prior to sending them to the states to be published. He said he never forgot a sign on the wall above the censor's desk which read:
"Sure your story is important, but it is more important to win the war."
Maybe the American public should start repeating that over and over again to the MSM.
Posted by: Theseus at December 24, 2005 7:06 PM
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