Also similar threats of terrorism in Thailand:

Thailand warned of terrorism during festive season (my title)
http://etna.mcot.net/query.php?nid=5409
The United States has warned Thailand that two Middle Eastern persons who are on its international terrorism watchlist as part of a terror network may attempt to enter Thailand during the Christmas and New Year celebrations

Posted by: jeffreyimm at December 24, 2005 7:45 AM

We have an opportunity at times like this. The Koran (Surah 3:7 and Surah 5:46-47), the "supposed" written word of "Allah", claims the Gospels are true. That being the case, every Muslim in the world should be following their Koran and celebrating the birth of Jesus with the same passion as Christians.

We can write articles stressing this point. In arguing and debating, we will be forcing the ultimate Islamic Contradictions: Hebrew and Christian scripture are true and Mohammed is bringing the final revelation. However, Mohammed changes virtually everything from the prior "prophets" (like Moses and Jesus in Islam). Of course, it makes absolutely no sense that Mohammed knew more about the Jewish religion than the Jews (the temple never existed, Mary as the sister of Moses, etc. etc. Boy, he really didn't learn much about history before the wild claims!). It make less sense that the Gospels, written withing decades of the crucifixion (and the historic accounts of Josephus, Tacitus, and Pliny the Younger) are wrong (Judas being crucified, not Jesus!). The Koran was written over 600 years after the crucifixion and 300-400 years after the Canonization process of the Bible. Interestingly, Christianity made the rational decision and Canonized the exact Hebrew Canon. I mean, as Christianity claimed to be an offshoot of Judaism, it had not logical choice. The problem with Mohammed is that he couldn't read. Therefore picked up bits and pieces of the Jewish and Christian Theology, thinking he knew enough to say the Gospels were true. Then went on to make up the most wacko claims that even a child should have realized were wrong.

We can write articles in American National newspapers quoting the Koranic verses about the Hebrew and Christian scripture (saying we are trying to help Muslims see the reason they should respect Christian and Jewish Holidays/Scripture), and then indirectly show the massive logical and historic contradictions. Imagine the consternation this will cause with the Islamic World (we don't care what Josephus, Tacitus, Gospels or anything else, we are going to follow Mohammed even if he claims the sky is purple!!!!). One more way to prove the Koran is not the "word of God", and Muslims are not going to "paradise" for murdering "infidels". In fact, we should make the point that the suicide-murderers are currently burning in hell after being duped by their elders.

I have argued with Muslims who truly believe that Muslims respect Hebrew and Christian Scipture. They claim true Muslims would never disrespect these books. Of course, all I have to do is point out the actions in the Church of the Nativity (Muslims using the Bible for toilette paper and descecrating the place). Ditto with the destruction of the Torahs in Joseph's tomb and Joseph's tomb. Many just don't know about this stuff because the MSM ignores this.

Many average Muslims just don't know all the Koran claims and what the Hebrew and Christian scripture claim. You don't have to be Jewish or Christian to understand the massive logical and historic contradictions of Mohammed. This is a way we can take the information war to Islam.

We need to be on the offensive with this stuff. Islams weakness is in truth and logic. It just makes no sense whatsoever. Some Muslims are seeing the light with this, and coming out of the death cult. These Ex-Muslims become our greatest allies. Information and Truth is the greatest fear to Islamic Leaders because they know they cannot stand up to scrutiny. That is the reason for the passion of killing apostates, preventing prosyletization, and preventing criticism of Islam/Mohammed. Any rational discourse on this subject brings the house of cards falling down. At that point, all the violence and coersion and fear will not keep it together.

We must attack the theological foundations before we say that killing "infidels" is wrong. If they have such faith in the Koran as the word of God, they will believe anything it claims. Regardless of how ridiculous (and Mohammed's teachings take the cake in the ridiculous). We know the whole religion is garbage, but we must make coherent arguments to force at least some rational Muslims to see the light.

Posted by: hello123 at December 24, 2005 8:42 AM

hello123 writes of the truth...that was awesome.

I for one just dont understand how mooslems believe the koran...unless they know of nothing else.

It is full of lies and contradictions and does not promote love and peace. If they were to read the HOLY BIBLE they might be able to put two and two together and come up with four.

Wishing everyone here a Merry Christmas!!!

Posted by: chuck at December 24, 2005 9:36 AM

Chuck,

Thanks and Merry Christmas.

The reason so many Muslims believe in the commands of Mohammed is the ideology of Islam is built around preventing truth. A standard justification for killing apostates (from many Muslim apologists) is the idea of preventing "traitors" from giving "infidels" the inside information about Islam. Seriously, even a Muslim law professor in the US has written a Law Review article claiming that Islam should be like an intellectual property right (and therefore apostates can be prevented from giving away secrets). Islam legally kills it's critics. It legally kills those who bring another religion to Muslims. Heck, it even calls itself the "religion of truth" (about the biggest joke in the history of mankind). It tells followers that they cannot reason like "Allah" and therefore should not judge the righteousness of cutting off heads or killing women and children. It tells followers they risk the ultimate hellfire for questioning a word of the Koran. It even tells Muslims living among "infidels" to hate non-Muslims and not take them as friends. The aim of world conquest Jihad is to destroy any vestige of anything that contradicts Mohammed. This is also a major reason for the book burnings and the fact that countries like Saudi Arabia allow no non-Islamic type literature (OK, they allow a tiny trickle). Muslims are told to learn engineering and hard science from the West, but stay away from humanities and philosophy and history.

Bottom line: The ideology of Islam is completely dedicated to the destruction of the truth. Our enemy is not individual Muslims (heck, if I were born into the screwed up system, i'm not sure if I would be brave enough to poke my head up and question Mohammed!). Our enemy is the ideology of Islam. It is a house of cards built on fear, coersion, misinformation, deceipt, etc. Ex-Muslims will be our greatest friends.

The way we are going to defeat this enemy is by pushing the truth. Information/truth is our ultimate weapon. We need to be brave and bold and get the truth to Muslims and non-Muslims. This is the Imams biggest fear (as they know in their hearts Islam cannot survive the truth). We must find ways of getting this info to the heart of Islam. Take the fight to the enemy.

Look, we are going to win this thing. Islam is a lie. It doesn't matter that over 1 billion people are wrong. They are still wrong and we can show them. We have nothing to lose as most of us would much rather die than live under the lie of Islam. I would.

Posted by: hello123 at December 24, 2005 10:29 AM

"We need to go on the offensive with this stuff. Islam's weakness is in truth & logic." from a posting by hello123.

Unfortunately, our weakness is just as great as that of islam. We are dominated by a quasi religion that also ignores the truth and logic. It is called multiculturism. This faith/ideology stipulates that criticism of any minority religion or race is unacceptable, regardless of the validity of the criticism. This will be our challange, to avoid being called racists, bigots, xenephobes etc.

Already the islamists have adopted many multiculural and civil rights buzzwards. They have accused Mr Spencer of being an "islamaphobe"

Over the last couple of evenings, CSPAN has televised a convention in Los Angeles of the Muslim Public Affairs Council MPAC. Speaker after speaker equated Islam with all the multicultural concepts of the left such as "celebrates diversity, parctices pluralism, living in harmony, sharing in power etc".

It will be our challange to seperate the islamists from this facade. This will require patience, persistence, and a committment to the truth no matter how unpleasant that may be.

Posted by: GFB at December 24, 2005 11:33 AM

islam demands all cultures and religions and political systems submit to mohammed, allah and the arabic culture. islam is mono-culture. A mono-culture cannot survive in nature.

Posted by: the poetess at December 24, 2005 11:47 AM

In Israel they stopped the terrorist bombings on busses by placing large bladders of pigs blood in the overhead racks. They are clearly marked and in clear plastic containers. The terrorists get on the bus, take one look at the pigs blood and get off as quickly as possible, realizing that as soon as they detonate, their remains will be instantly mixed with the blood of swine and they will be unable to enter the gates of paradise. Maybe the Indonesians should adopt a similar strategy and put bladders of blood in their churches, or just take some pigs in with them.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at December 24, 2005 1:32 PM

GFB,

Thanks, but there is still a way to fight back and use their strategy against them. They are claiming they value diversity, multi-religions, etc. So we hammer home the truth of the treatment of non-Muslims in the Islamic World. We constantly challenge Western Muslims who "value diversity" to help bring true equality and diversity to non-Muslims in the Islamic World. They have absolutely no come-back to this. We can come across as those who value true equality and diversity (which we do), yet show how Islam is inherently unfair and persecutes religious minorities.

We need to fight back with the truth of Sharia Law: Muslims have no freedom to change religion or question Islam/Mo. Non-Muslims have no freedom to openly practice religion or prosyletize. Etc. Etc. We need to hammer home that all we want is true fairness and diversity. That we demand reciprocity: Muslims in the West have every freedom, while non-Muslims are treated like dirt. We need to require Saudi Arabia to allow religious freedom before we allow students are immigrants from the Kingdom. We can argue that we don't want unfairness to Islam, but fairness toward all religious believers throughout the world.

Let's start thinking about the ways we can fight this information war. We don't have to come across as hateful or bigoted. We can come across as fighters for equality and fairness for all. Let's use their PC rhetoric against them.

Islam will fall because Islam cannot allow religious freedom. If we increasingly expose the unfairness, it will open the truth to all non-Muslims. If Islam opens up and allows religious freedom, it will fall. It is lie upon lie upon lie. Let's take the fight to the enemy!!!!!!

Posted by: hello123 at December 24, 2005 1:35 PM

Now that would make as much sense as searching for dog bones in a cat basket. Still, its the wacky world of Islamism, where Islamic terrorism is blamed on Christian minorities. Time to stop all aid and donations to Indonesia. They're not grateful for any aid given since the earthquake and resulting tsunami. Yep, whenever any disaster befalls a Muslim country, its time to leave well alone and make them fend for themselves or run cap in hand to the Saudis.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at December 24, 2005 4:10 PM

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Islam will only fall when political correctness falls, and as a result we stop describing it as the religion of peace, and start spelling it out for what it really is - a bloodthirsty, backward, primitive, misogynistic, unprogressive, suppressive, murderous and demonic death cult.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at December 24, 2005 4:19 PM

So much for the oft repeated cliche about how tolerant and enlightened Muslims are.

Posted by: Dumbo at December 25, 2005 12:29 AM

Indonesia is a good place to see that Islam enjoys striking fear in the heart of the unbeliever.

Like gangsters, muslims love to see how they intimidate minorities.

Islam makes average people lower their ideals until they become a bunch of unmanly cowards who are in their own element when they are bullying somebody who is not a Muslim.

Posted by: rocky at December 25, 2005 12:46 AM

Hi all,

I'm keeping track of the situation on my blog at http://patung.wordpress.com/ as well as other Indonesia issues of interest to readers here.

Posted by: patung at December 25, 2005 11:31 AM

Spirit of 1863,

Here's how it makes sense (and I've already done it with my own responses to the PC garbage (using "diversity and religious freedom" against us): Whenever we see an article or speech from a Muslim leader using the diversity arguments, we argue back:

"I WANT TO PRAISE XXXXXXXXX (Islamic spokesperson) FOR HIS THOUGHTS ABOUT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM AND DIVERSITY. BEING SUCH A PROGESSIVELY MINDED INDIVIDUAL, I KNOW HE IS BRAVELY FIGHTING FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM AND DIVERSITY IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD.

XXXXXXXXX KNOWS THAT IN THE WEST (AND VIRTUALLY ALL OTHER NON-MUSLIM COUNTRIES), MUSLIMS HAVE FULL LEGAL FREEDOM TO TELL NON-MUSLIMS ABOUT THEIR RELIGION, OPENLY PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION, AND NON-MUSLIMS CAN CHANGE RELIGION AND BECOME MUSLIM. UNFORTUNATELY, VIRTUALLY EVERY ISLAMIC NATION (FOLLOWING THE COMMANDS OF MOHAMMED WITH SHARIA LAW) DISCRIMINATES AND PERSECUTES NON-MUSLIMS. NON-MUSLIMS ARE NOT FREE TO OPENLY PRACTICE RELIGION, CANNOT TALK TO A MUSLIM ABOUT THEIR RELIGION, AND MUSLIMS CANNOT LEGALLY CHANGE RELIGION. THIS DISCRIMINATION AND PERSECUTION IS IN LEGAL FORCE. BECAUSE OF SHARIA LAW, NON-MUSLIMS BECOME LESS "HUMAN" IN THE EYES OF MOST MUSLIMS. THEREFORE, EXTRA-LEGAL ATROCITIES AND PERSECUTION IS COMMONPLACE.

I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THE COURAGE OF XXXXXXX AS HE BRAVELY STANDS UP TO THE DISCRIMINATION IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD. WE KNOW IT TAKE MUCH COURAGE, AS IT IS ILLEGAL TO CRITIZE SHARIA LAW IN MOST ISLAMIC COUNTRIES. NEITHER MUSLIMS OR NON-MUSLIMS CAN LEGALLY CRITIZE EITHER MOHAMMED OR ISLAM."

In writing these kinds of responses, it gives us a chance to expose Islam to the world. It allows us to do it in a way that we can push through the PC "filter". We won't come across the wrong way. This gives us the opening to destroy Islam with the truth. What can the Liberal establishment say "we disagree with religious freedom". This turns this crap against them.

Posted by: hello123 at December 25, 2005 1:24 PM