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The hate mail bag doesn't rest even for Christmas:
To: director@jihadwatch.orgSubject: you spreader of evil and corruption on gods earth
I am a liberal muslim who celebrates christmas with my children also my doctor is a jewish friend but after viewing your website and reading some of the comments I will start practising my religion which after all is the fastests growing religion on earth and is the final message revealed by the one true god. I will no longer celebrate christmas as you know that is does not stem from christianity and I will change my Doctor as you know that Jews believe that they are superior to gentiles, constituting racism.
Of course, there is a good deal that doesn't ring true about this message from a non-practicing, liberal Muslim, starting with the fact that he is familiar enough with his religion to know the phrase "corruption on gods earth," which comes from Qur'an 5:33: "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom."
Another is that a site dedicated to universal human rights and the equality of dignity of all people would lead him to break his putative friendship with his alleged Jewish doctor and to stop his supposed syncretistic and tolerant celebration of Christmas. Even if this really were the kind of site its enemies claim that it is, a man so broad-minded as he suggests he is should be able simply to dismiss it and go about his business.
But I assure you, I do not take the claims this man has made about himself seriously. I post this merely to point out that the crude propaganda never ends, and that it is usually more sophisticated than this, and many are taken in by it. And also, above all, I post it to emphasize that our struggle is against those who think that penalties such as those stipulated by Qur'an 5:33 for "corruption in the land" constitute justice. Let us continue to defend true canons of justice, the dignity of all people, and equality of rights for all (even women and non-Muslims), for as long as the global jihad threatens such principles.
Posted by Robert at December 24, 2005 4:54 PM
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AS a liberal, non practising Sikh/Hindu/Buddhist
I would like to wish you all on JW a Happy Christmas and prosperous new Year.
I will be going drinking Tyskie Polish beer with my Jewish and Christian friends and no doubt promoting this site from boring suburban Surrey, England, in some very nice pubs.
Greetings and regards to all.
AI
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at December 24, 2005 5:32 PM
Hello, Merry Christmas to all,
Last night I was watching O'Reilly and this guy from ABC, I do not remember his name, was telling that they (ABC) have an obligation to tel lthe TRUTH to the nation, this is their main obligation above all.
So I am wondering why we bloggers, do not find a way to ask ABC and for that matter the whole MSM, to enlight us about Islam.
They have wonderful researchers, they have the means, to find out , for instance, why Van Gogh was murdered in Holland instead of having a healthy confrontation with him if they did not agree with him.
Why so many people ALL over the world are killed in the name of ISLAM, why at the same time the people that say they are moderate Islamists do to not show their outrage and explain to the rest of the world, why the most common way of communication of some people that profess their same religion, is KILLING, BOMBING, killing even kind people like and Italian woman recently killed in Somalia or SUdan I do not remember after years and years of helping the population....she has founded a hospital I believe and helped everybody. Could it be because they follow the Coran,? or if not, what do they follow.
Why are Catholic girls beheaded in India , WHY, WHY.... this is impossible to understand to people of other religions and I believe it will help tremendously if starting with ABC we, the people that read the MSM media, request, in a massive way, that the MSM starts covering this subject in depth.
I would love to know what ABC has to say.
at December 24, 2005 5:37 PM
Many people are hooked in by it? I'd say most people believe it. A feature of American society is a pathological fear of hurting feelings. Such a "reasonable" Muslim deciding to hate Jews and Christians will lead many to believe the Muslims are really the "misunderstood" and "victimized" group.
I saw this type of argument all through graduate school. Radical homosexuals were praised as "family friendly" and lifelong mothers and homemakers were considered "oppressive".
When you see the phrase "Who are you to judge?" - the person speaking is about to be dishonest.
Posted by: rafael699 at December 24, 2005 5:45 PM
It appears that perhaps this reader is listening to his Imam a bit too much. Islam is not the fastest growing religion on earth. No, it is not.
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-fastest-growing.htm
Posted by: DCWatson at December 24, 2005 6:24 PM
Your correspondent illustrates the childishness, passive aggressive behavior of Muslims.
"If you think I'm bad, look what I'm going to do now, I will prove it and hurt myself, na, na, na, na. See what you made me do?."
Totally infantile, but who could expect more of a Muslim.
LOL, "You hurt my feelings so I'm going to cut off my Christian and Jewish friends" (which he doesn't have anyway, because his Qur'an forbids him friends from amongst the unbelievers). "You think I'm bad, wait till I prove you right", they never think of trying to prove us wrong, only prove us correct.
Stupidity.
Posted by: Nariz at December 24, 2005 6:45 PM
Yes, stop seeing that doctor. That should show him. That should do it. And why bother with Infidel medicine at all? Doesn't the Qur'an contain all of modern science? Why not stick to Muslim Science, and simply pray qibla-wards with greater intensity and frequency. What's to be will be, so why bother with Christian and Jewish doctors, and their Infidel ways and medicines and operations? Really, why bother? All those Gulf Arabs who show up at Harley Street, or the Mass. General (sometimes specifically asking for "Jewish doctors" -- perhaps because that tradition, from Maimonides with Saladin, or the tradition of the Ottoman padishahin (there is even a little plaque at Topkapi about this)being ministered to by Jewish doctors, not to mention Ataturk's dentist Dr. Ginsburg, dies hard. No one wants to mess about when it comes to medicine.
Save for Mr. Malevolence posting above -- and Those Of That Ilk.
Perfect.
Posted by: Hugh at December 24, 2005 7:05 PM
A disingenuous, lying, deceitful Muslim. Who would have thought it possible?
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at December 24, 2005 7:10 PM
Why do any of you expect any better from a product of mass indoctrination?
If this indoctrination deigned to actually tell the truth and they still behaved like they do, then there might be some cause for concern but Islam has been LYING to its adherents for 1470 years and most of them have no idea of this but frighteningly care even less.
The whole idea of the first part of being a Muslim is accepting the rubbbish in the Qur'an as God's word and hence incorruptible and the last word possible on a subject.If it ended there it would be bad enough but it does not.
After that we have the hadith the sunni and we have every bit of bile spewed forth from the mesmerised minds of the Islami religious leaders who would not know truth if it hit them in the face.
These brainwshed fools believe every lie that they hear from their commissars posing as religious leaders!!
There is no discernment!!
There is no regard for the truth!!
So long as it agrees with the current mindset it is ok and truth does not matter.It never has.
If it does not then woe betide you!!
I ask you: what is the difference here between Stalinism and Islam? Their agenda is the same:world domination by infiltration and confrontation.
Another"GOOD" Muslim out of the closet and into his true colours( I actually believe, like Robert, that he was never one but why not try the islamic line of bullsh*t for a time)
at December 24, 2005 7:50 PM
Why do I think this person has a problem with PROJECTION?
" you know that Jews believe that they are superior to gentiles, constituting racism."
On the couch for you Abdullah
Merry Christmas to you RObert, and to this hate filled gas bag with issues
at December 24, 2005 8:20 PM
Why are Catholic girls beheaded in India , WHY, WHY
Posted by: Dartagnan
The god of Islam cammands it:
047.004 Therefore, when ye meet '''the Unbelievers''' in fight, smite at their necks. [Behead them!]
As far as that doctor who CLAIMS to be a Jew? - and is a friend to a muslim? whose god commands that ALL Jews are liars 005.041???
It is better to have a friend who stands from the heart of truth - even when you disagree - than a so called friend who - sucks you in for business!
Find another Doctor
at December 24, 2005 8:44 PM
OT this is from the BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4551532.stm
Last Updated: Thursday, 22 December 2005, 12:50 GMT
Row over Malaysian family laws
By Jonathan Kent
BBC News, Kuala Lumpur
The law would make it easier for Muslims to take more than one wife
Malaysia's government has quelled a rebellion among lawmakers who wanted to stop new legislation they said could undermine women's rights.
An Islamic family law, making it easier for men to have polygamous marriages and take more of wives' property, is expected to be passed in the Senate.
Women senators from the governing coalition, who hoped to oppose the bill, have been ordered to support it.
The law has angered women's rights campaigners on several counts.
It makes it easier for a man to take multiple wives and to divorce. It allows a husband to claim a share of an existing wife's property if he takes further wives.
And it curtails a wife's rights to maintenance and to dispose of her own property.
Lawmakers in Malaysia's male-dominated lower chamber passed the bill after two days' debate that centred on men's rights to polygamy rather than scrutiny of the bill itself.
But it has prompted a rebellion in the senate, where Malaysia's parliament minister, Nazri Aziz, said the cabinet instructed the rebels, most of whom are women, to toe the line.
They are free to debate and speak their mind, but when it comes to a vote they have to follow, he said.
Islam is very strict about the circumstances under which a man can take more than one wife.
He must, for instance, be able to treat all his wives justly. However the new rules would mean a Malaysian Muslim man would no longer have to prove he could behave fairly to all his spouses before marrying.
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at December 24, 2005 9:04 PM
Please don't be bored with some muslims or lefties complaning that celebrating christmas is an insult to multiculturalism.
Happy christmas to everyone out here.
Posted by: DrWolffenstein at December 24, 2005 9:17 PM
Please don't be bored with some muslims or lefties complaning that celebrating christmas is an insult to multiculturalism.
Happy christmas to everyone out here.
Posted by: DrWolffenstein at December 24, 2005 09:17 PM
Actually, multiculturalism is an insult to me and it should be to all of us if we care anything at all about our own culture.
Nobody asked me if I wanted a multicultural society. Our Constitution does not sanction such an anomaly and was not created to govern a nation divided into dozens of separate minority groups. This issue has never been on a ballot to be accepted or rejected by the voters. So why should I be expected to embrace, support, and actively participate in the destruction of my own culture?
America was the first nation to welcome immigrants from everywhere and it is perfectly natural to see Americans of every ethnicity and nationality. That is what made America unique and wonderful. Why couldn't the social engineers just leave well enough alone? The melting pot worked fine until some left-wing zealots decided that wasn't fair to minorities. Multiculturalism is segregation, special interest groups, divisiveness, and the encouragement of tribalism. It celebrates separatism instead of unity. It pits dozens of ethnic/religious/cultural groups against the dominant white, Christian majority. It is a curse.
Merry Christmas!
Posted by: Susanp at December 24, 2005 11:23 PM
Mr. Moderat Muslim, fix your religion or the rest of us will have to fix it for you. To all others. Merry Christmas and/or Happy Hanukah.
Posted by: Sharku at December 24, 2005 11:51 PM
This "liberal" muslim says:
"...also my doctor is a jewish friend.."
Which means that the doctor was probably someone else's friend in the light of the fact that he dropped that friendship so easily.
I cannot even remotely imagine myself dropping a friendship after reading something in a website.
But this goes to prove that Muslims have a warped view of the world and like lobsters have the head full of s**t.
Merry Christmas!
Posted by: rocky at December 25, 2005 12:40 AM
DCWatson
They've ignored the tsunami, Bam, and Pakistani earthquakes. The victims were mostly Muslim, but the aid mostly American. Throw in the recent 'honor' killing of four daughters soon to be producing good little Muslim soldiers on a large scale. Then there's the issue of infant mortality, poor science, and health care in so-called Muslim nations. Throw in the effects of widespread inbreeding amongst first cousins. It's a recipe for disaster, not global conquest. The only stable and reproductive Muslim populations are amongst the wealthy Arabs, Europeans, and in the Americas.
at December 25, 2005 12:49 AM
Posted by: Dartagnan
Why are Catholic girls beheaded in India , WHY, WHY
Not India, but Indonesia
The truth is,he is changing Doctor so as to find one that prescibes camels piss
Happy X-mas to all,including moslims.
Posted by: shiva at December 25, 2005 1:31 AM
Multiculturalism works if the groups concerned make an attempt to assimilate and if they do not bring their 1500 year history of violent ethnic or religious bullsh*t with them.
Muslims fail on both counts and should never be allowed into the west.
If they wish to avoid criticism of Islam, or to invoke Sharia law or to remove Xmas then they can easily do this by f*cking off back to Islamic Sewerville where Islamic lies are as thick as is the fly sh*t.
Posted by: Zathras at December 25, 2005 4:36 AM
Another large earthquake has struck Pakistan.
On Christmas Day! God ain't happy with slaughter in the name of allah.
Posted by: 1630r at December 25, 2005 4:39 AM
"I will start practising my religion"
What striking self-ownage. Now that Islam will be actually practiced by this Muslim, he/she will become intolerant, living up to the true spirit of the religion of peace.
Posted by: TwistOfFaith at December 25, 2005 9:19 AM
"but after viewing your website and reading some of the comments I will start practising my religion I will start practicing my religion."
-- from the article, and also noted by the poster above
This is meant clearly as not a promise -- "I will practice my religion" -- but rather as a threat to Infidels -- because of "your website" and "the comments" I, in retaliation, "will start practicing my religion."
How much more such inadvertently telling testimony do Infidels need?
Posted by: Hugh at December 25, 2005 11:56 AM
l go out of my to say "Merry Christmass" at the gas station attendents, who are not Christians! if they dont like it, they can go back!
Posted by: Lulu at December 25, 2005 12:19 PM
It is a false myth these Islamists are spreading that "Islam is fastest growing in the world"!.
The only reason they are multiplying in western countries are they sire more and more babies like pigs. The Mullas in Mosques insist to Muslims, it is their sacred duty to populate over and above the White Christian population of the West and Australia to establish a Muslim World.. One can witness the result of this in the Public Sub-ways of New Youk,Toronto and all over Europe, by the number of baby carts these Muslim women(some of them too old !)pushing. .Muslim women are used nothing more than a baby factoy. This is the only single reason for their growth. The Western Governments help this progect by paying sizable allowences for every additional baby born,and it is an added boost to their activities. It it high time, these Western Governments stop this, and reserve this Incentives ONLY to White couples(Since they are the ones ,who shy away producing Babies)!. I bet CAIR will immediately jump up with a" racial discrimination" Suit against the Govenment concerned. But,Just like amount spent on the protection of the endangerd species,which has got special rigts,and privilages,this can be justified since White population is dwindling year after year.and will disappear in the near future.(though not a fact-thank God!).
at December 25, 2005 12:22 PM
"I am a liberal muslim..."
-- posted by the anonymous Christmas hatemailer
He should have said "I am figment of my own imagination," to the extent a Moslem can actually have an imagination.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at December 25, 2005 12:45 PM
Mr Hugh: This is meant clearly as not a promise -- "I will practice my religion" -- but rather as a threat to Infidels -- because of "your website" and "the comments" I, in retaliation, "will start practicing my religion."
An astute observation Mr Hugh. As long as he is only 'practicing' we are safe. If he ever gets it right, he will be trouble. Practicing could mean appling ones trade, but with Islam it implys 'to be', a becomming. Like 'trying', it implys failure.
I am trying to be (become) a doctor means that I am not a doctor. A 'practicing' muslim then is not really a muslim. He is only practicing. Somewhere between an apostate and a failure.
According to Tabari, Allah said that true believers, do the prayers, pay the tax, bow in homage and renounce agreements with Jews.
How can you practice paying a tax? Haha.( become a US citizen).
He already has accomplished the Jewish part. He will eventually try to kill his dentist if he practices Islam long enough. Right actions (practicing/trying), sooner or later bring 'right' results. But first you have to know what 'right' is. This confused semi-muslim has no clue.
If I remember correctly, Mohammad originally proscribed fifty prayers a day but later relented and reduced the number to five.
For those who really want to practice Islam, I think they should go back to fifty. That would keep them off the streets and out of trouble, and if they do the fifty long enough, the truth will eventually dawn on them...have a nice xmas or holliday...or whatever...
at December 25, 2005 4:01 PM
Spencer: "But I assure you, I do not take the claims this man has made about himself seriously"
I do. I take him at his word, that he will now "start practicing [his] religion", which as he has made quite clear, means that he will henceforth cut off all friendly relations with Christians and Jews.
He obviously knows what his religion is really all about. And in stating it so baldly, he has confirmed precisely what you have repeatedly pointed out on this website.
Posted by: Caroline at December 25, 2005 5:26 PM
hes that blinded by hate , no wounder he misted this. http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=513
Posted by: werter5075 at December 25, 2005 6:22 PM
This Muslim makes it perfectly clear that it's all our fault when it comes to jihad, and radicalization in the ummah... If we weren't so intolerant of Islam, he/she would have no reason to resort to hatred of us -- quite simple really.
The same mentality is rife among serial abusers, and rapists -- always blaming the victim for their violations, and their violence and viciousness...
Merry Christmas to all at JW!
Posted by: jsla at December 25, 2005 8:41 PM
Robert,
what intrigues me is that our anonymous hate-mailer is so transparent with his lies. Indeed, sometimes the Muslim hater is very transparent [here he is saying: I have a Jewish friend and I am a liberal, moderate Islam, but all because of YOU and JW/DW, I am going to become a real Muslim, a really bloodthirsty beast. And it will all be YOUR fault].
at December 26, 2005 4:32 AM
I find it interesting that the hate mail-bad guy said:
"also my doctor is a jewish friend but after viewing your website and reading some of the comments I will start practising my religion"
first: that we should be bowled over that a real muslim has a Jewish friend! Oh my God! So trendy! In this distorted man's thinking - normalcy is actually worthy of praise. (I tend to pick my doctors on how well they know their craft......)
second: to rephrase - "because you have pointed out some of the hateful aspects of my religion, I will punish you by going and practicing exactly those hateful aspects of my religion."
How very sacrificial of this man, to leave his happy, tolerant life, to take the path of the mujahdeen! That'll teach old Spencer! Lol.
Merry Christmas to you, RS!
at December 26, 2005 12:00 PM
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