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January 26, 2006

"Hamas will be asked to form the new government"

January 30, 1933 Alert: "Officials: Hamas Wins Palestinian Election," from AP:

Earlier, Fatah legislator Saeb Erekat said after a meeting with Abbas that the party has already decided to serve in the opposition. "Hamas will be asked to form the new government," Erekat said. "We in Fatah will not join them. We will be a loyal opposition and rebuild the party."...

Israel and the United States have said they would not deal with a government led by Hamas, which has carried out dozens of suicide bombings and which they consider a terrorist group.

Acknowledging the Hamas victory, Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia and his Cabinet ministers resigned Thursday — hours before official results were released.

"This is the choice of the people. It should be respected," Qureia said. "If it's true, then the president should ask Hamas to form a new government." The Cabinet remained in office in a caretaker capacity.

By law, Abbas must ask the largest party in the new parliament — presumably Hamas — to form the new government. Abbas was elected separately a year ago and remains president.

Head-In-the-Sand Alert:

Hamas capitalized on widespread discontent with Fatah's corruption and ineffectiveness. Much of its campaign focused on internal Palestinian issues, while playing down the conflict with Israel.

Posted by Robert at January 26, 2006 7:41 AM
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Great...so the collective mindset turns to Hamas?....with Iran this should make for very disturbing time indeed.

Posted by: Joe Bananas...in Pyjamas [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 8:06 AM

The fig leaf is gone from the Palis and I, for one, am very glad about this election victory of Hamas. The Palis have expressed their choice; Hamas is not the weirdo fringe that could be excused away; now it's the voice of the Palis. That will make it much harder for the civilized world to pretend the Palis can be a partner in peace with Israel. Of course, the Europeans are incredibly creative, so I'm sure they'll find a way, Chamberlin-style.

Posted by: Seymour Paine [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 8:19 AM

I feel a lesson in democratic responsibility coming on...

Moose

Posted by: Moose [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 8:25 AM

On the plus side, at least Israel can ditch the Peace in Our Time process--at least for the moment. Of course, with AP and others implying that Hamas's terror intentions are a matter of one's perspective instead of fact (one man's jihadi being another man's freedom fighter, you can count on Israel being pressured to make concessions so as to renew the process. Because it's the process that counts, isn't it? As long as there's a process the world can pretend that Israel is the source of the problem, instead of it being merely the flashiest flashpoint in the world wide jihad.

Posted by: scaramouoche [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 8:27 AM

Hamas has already issued a statement warning that any reduction or elimination in aid money "would harm the Palestinian people." Let the pain begin!Commentators have remarked that the US has gotten what it wished for, a democratically elected govenment for the Palestinians. I agree...now let them live with Hamas, and all of its violence, corruption...and implementation of 7th century Islamic law. Good luck.

Posted by: maryrose [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 8:28 AM

I agree with those who say this is not an altogether bad development. No more illusions. No more games of "let's pretend." No more hiding behind the "peace process." The enemy is now clearly defined and clearly reflective of the will of the people. The next suicide bombing, the next rocket attack, will not be an act of terrorism, it will be an act of war. Israel should be free to fight that war with weapons, tactics and rules of engagement that suit it.

Posted by: Howard, Fine & Howard [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 8:36 AM

Courtesy of frontpagmag.com, Hamas's "covenant" with a one-page forward by David Hornick:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21029

Also of interest, a translation from MEMRI of a "debate" between Fatah's Muhammed Dahlan who is now the former PA Minister of "Civil Affairs" and and Hamas Leader Mahmoud Al-Zahar:

http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD107706

Anyone else with visions of what happened on the Aug. 2005 Israeli withdrawal from Gaza taking place on a much larger scale?

Posted by: waterdragon52 [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 8:40 AM

'Unsettling' wouldn't even begin to describe this event.

The true face of the Islamic majority has shown itself to the world by way of a simple vote. But I guarantee we will have liberals denying the obvious almost to the end, regardless of election results like we have just witnessed.

Right up until the time when we are faced with the threat of Shariah trying to impose itself on our own Constitution here in the United States, and for some diehard fools, even past that.

Posted by: Foehammer [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 8:43 AM

"Israel and the United States have said they would not deal with a government led by Hamas."

Whaddya wanna bet we do? I would wager before the year is out, we'll be sending in delegations with wads of cash.

Posted by: Rebecca JW [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 8:51 AM

I repeat myself like a stupid parrot about democracy by itself not being the answer to the battle against Islam.

In some sites, even the conservatives scorn my position.

Think Hamas is just one little indicator that shouldn't be taken seriously? Look at our grand democratic experiment in IRAQ. The secular party was blown from office into the dustbin of marginality. Radicals rule Iraq.

In the West, we have this secular fantasy of "moderate" Islam. We do our best imitations of ego-inflated, somber-sounding TV "intellectuals" and proclaim that Islam is all peace and moderation and only the radicals have "hijacked" their religion.

Most of us are familiar with MEMRI.ORG. You know they have a Reformation of Islam section?

Note: There are 1,300,000,000 muslims in the world. Out of the 1.3BILLION, how many moderates do we think there are? Radicals murder children. Moderates don't condemn it. That's about the best we can hope for because in the Reformation section of MEMRI is not ONE muslim calling for change in Islam.

Not ONE.

Whatever will we do with this fantasy of "moderate" Islam?

Posted by: Mussolini [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 9:05 AM

I agreee with above...
Ya, know, when I was in college, my liberal phase, I was all about "Free Palestine". However, I saw them dance with delight and pass out candies on the darkest day of my generation, 9-11. I knew on that day that "Palestine" was my enemy. I knew that day that Islam was my enemy.I knew on that day that Israel was one of, any maybe our single best, ally in WW3.
The war is upon us. We have exacted a high price on the Arabs, though. Killed tens of thousand of them, far more than they have of us. I for one, am glad that Bush and Sharon were leaders at this time.
We have seen the true face of our enemy and it is ugly.

Posted by: templar [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 9:23 AM

Personally, I think quite a few people are going to think Hamas has to be ok because the Pals voted for them and hey......Hamas is involved in govenment now. Many will believe that Hamas was only acting out because they weren't a part of the govenment and they wanted to be.

In other words there's a hell of a lot of people on this planet who live in a world none of us can reach without doing some heavy duty drugs. Jimmy Carter is one of them.

Posted by: fireangel [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 9:25 AM

A perfect time for the United States and Europe to end -- but permanently --- the jizyah. "Palestinian" territories, and that other world center of antisemitism and anti-Americanism, Egypt, should be first. Followed by Pakistan and Jordan, which should receive no more military aid because they are now going to be judged by the hostility of their peoples, and not by the reassurances or smiles of government figures. That kind of worthless "we love America, it's just Bush/your government/your Congress we hate" line that is the kind of thing brought to our attention in its highly tendentious and sanitizied opinion polls, the ones "conducted by Zogby International" in consultation with Shibley Telhami, in which no one seems to have the bright idea of asking such questions as

"Do you think Muhammad is uswa hasana, and if he is, what would Muhammad do today about the Infidels?

"Does Israel have a right to exist as a Jewish state forever, or just for a short while?"

"Do Christians and other non-Muslims (Jews, Hindus, Buddhists) have the right to live and be treated with full legal equality -- buying land, voting, running for office, opening churches wherever they wish -- equals in Muslim-run countries, as Muslims now do in Infidel lands?

"Why not"?

But that's not what anyone -- least of all Zogby International and Shibley Telhami -- want to find out, or want those who pay for their results in the American government to find out.

No -- that's the kind of thing American policymakers don't need to, don't want to -- knkow about., It would disturb. It would worry. It would upset an applecart, or two.

But in fact one thing would do more to help, in the end, our relations, and that of Infidel nations, with Muslims in the Muslim-ruled lands, and within the Infidel lands themselves -- an end to the Jizyah everywhere. Over the past few decades, the Infidels have gradually become accustomed to paying large sums of money, and even giving large amounts of military equipment, to Egypt, to the "Palestinians," to Pakistan (that love-affair between the American and Pakistani military that went on for decades, is now comletely over, and it is time, if not to ask for the ring back, and least to stop sending more jewelry, not all of it costume, and some of it quite costly, to those meretricious Pakistanis).

Pakistan is not too "critical to the war on terror." For god's sake, look at the pitiful results of its sporadic help (a little more when Daniel Pearl died, but that was because of the need to appease the enraged Americans, but less as it becomes clear that the men of Al Qaeda are first in the hearts of their Pakistani fellow-Muslims, their true "country" men.


And Jordan. The Deerfield-educated king is even less "representative" of the real Jordan, than was his father, and certainly as little representative as, say, Ahmed Chalabi or Kanan Kamiya, who were so influential, turned out to be of the real Iraq. The Americans keep fooling themselves, keep taking the very great exceptions for the very great rule. Time to grow up.

Stop the Jizyah. Stop payments now, without any more discussion, any disgusting hints of "we'll have to see if we can work with them" or, still worse, "aid is a lever, and we need that lever even more now" or some other stupidity.

We, the Infidel taxpayers who pay that Jizyah, can't take the stupidity anymore. And it is not merely a question of money. It is a question of false policies, based on false hopes, based on laziness and wilful ignorance. We don't like that. It makes us mad.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 9:27 AM

Hamas is now a political power!!! Good, maybe now we'll see some real action from our government. Palestine has now become the new Iran Lite. Israel can now stop this "Peace talk crapolla" and get to some serious mudhole stomping. As Howard, Fine, & Howard has stated,

"The enemy is now clearly defined and clearly reflective of the will of the people."

And "We the People" should never forget how the Palestinans danced in streets of their dried up patch of territory when the WTC was toppelled. This is most definately a statement to the United States as well. We should be ready for the lies to fly a-plenty at the United Nations and in the mainstream media. Because we all know what honest and up standing organizations these two groups are toward America.
This year we have a chance to repond to this clandestine attack on us at the ballot box!!! The democrats and liberal republicians are not what and who we need in this time of alert and peril. "We the People" need true, strong leadership in government. Not politicians that won't protect our borders and pander to Arab non citizens complaints. Looking to legalize illegal immigrants so they can vote for the "select" political party.
This is the clarion call for all Americans to vote for canidates that have the American people's intrests at heart. Not some weak kneed individual who exercises Neville Chamberlainesque diplomacy and shows weakness in the face of the enemy, and stabs our military in the back with calls for "witdrawals" and make false charges that our young men and women in uniforms are intimidating women and children and torturing civilians.
The threat is now more real than ever. With Iran running a nuclear program with the help of the Russians and Hamas running the show in Palestine, we must not faulter in our national resolve to stand bold in the face of adversity. The obstructionists in the House of Congress and in the Senate have got to go. More now than ever, we need the Patriot Act passed!!! And it is time for the Free World to unite against this new weapon of Islamic tyrany. People it's time to DIG IN!!!

Posted by: Ironman Hondo [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 9:29 AM

BTW..... Regardless of the billions in aid the Pals have gotten over the years a good percentage of them don't have electricity.

Another BTW:).....Why are we giving those nutjobs money anyway?

Posted by: fireangel [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 9:30 AM

There's going to be a Bush news conference at 10:15 EST. Related? Hmm.

I hope we're stopping the aid cold. And right now-- no negotiations.

Also, it looks like the exit polls blew it again; as of the evening news last night, the US news orgs had basically called the election in favor of Fatah.

Posted by: Shinoliite [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 9:43 AM

Only the media and our politicians still believe the pot-induced fantasy of "moderate" Islam.

The Pentagon's CIFA Report admits and labels the "radical" problem is not radical, but ALL of Islam itself as a doctrine. As a reminder that JihadWatch carried this: CIFA Report

Posted by: Mussolini [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 9:56 AM

Not to minimize the significance of the vote too much, but the Fatah party was seen as corrupt and, in an incredibly stupid move, they fielded multiple candidates for single seats, thus splitting the vote.

Either one of these could cause you to lose big time but the two together are a death knell and Hamas was there to pick up the pieces.

I'm hoping it will end up like Turkey, where the Islamists rule but are too busy actually governing to be radical.

Posted by: Big G In TX [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 10:08 AM

Thus we enter an era in which the aggressions of the victim, the beleagured Palestinians, are blamed on Israel.

This will be quite a feat for the media, but with help by our hard working academics and permanent government workers, we should be able to successfully enter a brave new world where terrorism is not only ok, it is to be cheered.

We've been inching in this direction for years (Jimmy), have we finally arrived? And what will the new framework be that can, and will, happily explain the Arab Shia in southern Iraq also setting up an Ilsamic Republic?

The allahu is out there for me and you.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 10:14 AM

Bush is on TV at a press conference right now. He is now calling Hamas a 'political party' and won't say he won't work with them. I want one of the reporters to say "Hamas is a terrorist organization and won the Palestinian elections. Will we be directly funding terrorism now by financing the Hamas led government?

He STILL believes his 'light unto the Musulman' program is a 'great thing.' What a disaster.

Posted by: John Sobieski [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 10:31 AM

Thank God the Israelis already dispatched the those creatures of satan yassin and rantisi to join their satanic prophet in hell. It would be harder to do so now.

Posted by: Infidel33 [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 10:38 AM

From the press conference (not a direct quote):

The US will not deal with a government that has as it's goal the destruction of Israel.

Posted by: treehugger [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 10:43 AM

Nothing could be laid out in clearer 'black and white' terms than with the recent victory of Hamas in the democratic elections within Palestine. This should be an eye-opener for all those nuts who claim that the Palestinians are simply peace-loving people fighting for their legitimate rights. But, based on my past experience, I wouldn't underestimate the ability of dhimmiwitted people to continue to live in their fantasy make-believe world and to find a way to rationalize and even welcome these events as a sign of something positive.

Posted by: Razdan [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 11:05 AM

What should happen now is for Israel to choose its own borders . . . from the strategic standpoint. Then an annexation of those territories, including a united, indivisible Jerusalem. Then, finish the wall seperating the two peoples. Send a message to hamas: ok, guys you da boss(same as the old boss), any suicide attacks or rocket attacks should be responded to instantly with all available might. Short and sweet, strong and true. Destroy the Iranian mennace should be next on Israel's table. This time should be used as wisely as possible . . . the mask is off for a while. Let the liberals blame Israel. Let europe blame her. One could raise the question, 'oh no, oil will go up if Israel asks tough.' One could also ask another question, 'oh no, if Israel practices dhimmitude and/or playing the make-believe machinations of Yossi Beilin and company, then what will happen to the price of oil, our position in the world, and Jihadism in particular . . . will a weak Israeli response embolden Jihadism worldwide???' This is the question.

Posted by: biorabbi [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 11:09 AM

Hamas will at lesat attempt at some semblance of humanity. They have to, cuz like most Moslems they're down on their knees like toothless old beggar women rattling their cups, begging for handouts from naive JudeoChristians governments.

But, after the Moslems breed the EU into Sharia and productivity has stopped there, then who will pick up the missing dole required by these toothless old beggar women who call themselves Moslem Men? Who?

(Hint: If you're an American, run and go look in the mirror.)

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 11:13 AM

Debka analysis:

"In Gaza, in answer to a question on policy, Hamas operative Mohammed Rantisi, whipped out the late Yasser Arafat’s motto: We shall hold talks as though there is no terror and wage terror as though there are no talks. Other leaders reject negotiations, recognition of Israel or laying down arms.

In view of this election upset, some Palestinian sources predict a long wait for final results amid attempts at manipulation, which the Hamas will fight tooth and nail.

The Palestinian election sets back critically the underlying objective of the US-led global war on terror: denying terrorists territorial strike bases and keeping them on the run - as manifested in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. For Israel, allowing the Hamas terrorists to take part in the Palestinian election - after its takeover of the Gaza Strip – was a fatal blunder. It is now condemned to dealing with the Damascus-based Khaled Mashal and Mahmoud a-Zahar in Gaza, now holding the whip hand in Ramallah.

Behind them lurk sponsors and mentors such as Mahdi Aqaf, leader of the radical Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas’s parent body, and Sheikh Qardawi, the Qatar-based television preacher. While speaking out against suicide bombers for Western targets, this influential radical ardently advocates Muslim martyrdom for the sacred purpose of killing Israelis.

The peace strategy acting Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert outlined in his policy address the day before the Palestinian election is passé; it was built around negotiations with Abu Mazen and a Fatah regime in Ramallah. He failed to consider the possibility of having to face up to a Palestinian negotiating partner that takes its orders from Cairo, Qatar, Damascus and Tehran. "

Posted by: hammerhead [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 11:16 AM

I read a very telling quote early this morning. I went to look for it again, but I couldn't find it, I think it was in a CNN article. Anyway, parapharased the quote was

The US and Europe say either use a gun or join the political process, I say we join the political process and us a gun, there is no contradiction

I was profundly disturbed by that. It is a clear signal to the future actions of Hamas. Iran is congratulating them on the victory, this can only be disasterous.

Oh, in another CNN article, I read that Europe is willing to work with an government - to a point. Unfortunately, that point is on a far horizon.

Posted by: miku [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 11:35 AM

I can't thik of anything to say. It's too hard to write and cry at the same time.
:(

libbysmom

Posted by: libbysmom [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 11:40 AM

Seems like the EU is already using weasely words to develop ways to continue to fund terrorists, but I did not expect any thing else from that bunch of cretins. Have they got no shame:

"The European Union, meanwhile, said it was prepared to work with any government -- to a point.

"We are prepared to work with any Palestinian government, if this government seeks peace, using peaceful means," said Benita Ferrero-Waldner, EU external relations commissioner."

Of course they will work out some way of defining Hamas as a peaceful political party with a militant wing not under the control of the political wing, and in the end they will believe in their own lies, I bet this happens...

Posted by: Daffersd [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 11:48 AM

There are three major reasons for the success of Hamas in the election.

1) Widespread discontent towards the excessive corruption of the al-Fatah party. Hamas is seen as a more honest religious party.

2) Widespread hatred towards America and Israel.

3) Hamas is recognized locally as a better providor of social services than al-Fatah.


Now how do you negogiate peace with a political party whose founding charter calls for your total destruction?

Posted by: Roland [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 11:50 AM

Roland:

Good question. Let's ask the politicians and beaurocrats of the EU, the US State Dept. and Canada's Dept. of Foreign Affairs. It was gormless enough to see Arafat as a partner for peace, given all the incitement he orchestrated from on high up until his death. To talk about a "Middle East Peace Process" now would be incredible.

Posted by: waterdragon52 [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 11:56 AM

Seymore Paine said "I, for one, am very glad about this election victory of Hamas. The Palis have expressed their choice; Hamas is not the weirdo fringe"

No, I think we're about to be told by our leaders that Hamas is not the weirdo fringe, that Hamas has many sides and terrorism is only a small part, they build schools and hospitals and are not so bad after all, that we need to provide financial aid so that they do not radicalize further, etc. etc. etc.

This is another example of the effect that the Iraqi "Light Upon the Moslem Nations" project is having in the Middle East. We wanted democracy, they'll give us democracy.

Posted by: special_guest [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 12:03 PM

The term "politically correct"has been used for the first time in 1923 in Leningrad,USSR in a speech given by a soviet politruk at a Communist Party meeting.
Political correctness was then defined as a concept that will put in place policies,to make sure the people,the media,the politicians will obey and follow the party line.
The concept has been embraced by the western liberals and forced on everyone else,with catastrophic consequences.

Posted by: SirSeth [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 12:06 PM

Templer so true, on 911 I was in New York and had to run downtown to pick up my granddaughter from a school a few blocks north, I felt the true horror and saw the ashen faces of the people fleeing north, like a horde of beaten refuges.

I once also felt for the popular myth of Palestinian martyrdom, by believing the news media's propaganda and out a misplaced sense of fairness, but upon seeing the dancing crowds of Palestinians, I was forever changed with a realization that Israel and the victims of the World Trade Center have a common enemy, and that they, the Palestinians had declared war on us.

I also remember liberal friends going down to the local corner store and acting as human shields, least some angry New Yorker give the Palestinian owner a taste of his own medicine.

These two events convinced me that we must defend Israel at all cost and that liberals on a day of Incredible human tragedy cared more about those that would wish us harm then the victims of heinous Islamic terror attack.

Hugh, your wise words are a godsend in the difficult time we live.

Thank You

Posted by: El Cid [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 12:11 PM

Thank goodness there are honest murderers in charge now. Everybody hates a corrupt murderer.

Posted by: JanuaryMan [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 12:20 PM

Ironman your words are inspirational and leave me more motivated every time I read them.

Posted by: El Cid [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 12:23 PM

Now that the Paleos have elected Hamas the game is on. Time to untie Isreal's hands. Now is the time for Hama Rules. So be it.

Posted by: omvi [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 12:26 PM

I too share the sentiment that this election exposes the true nature of the Palastinians, and that is a good thing. Perhaps now we can discard the fraudulent "roadmap" process and recogize more realistic policies. Israel should continue the unilateral process started by Sharone that allows Israel to define its own borders. Fences and security, that will define peace, not negotiations.

Posted by: GFB [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 12:28 PM

Seymour Paine and Rebecca have summed up my view nicely. Hamas will be persuaded by the EU to take up the same game as Fatah, i.e., assume the pretence of a negotiating partner. Remember, Hamas has said that while their end goal remains the eradication of Israel, they are prepared to accept an "interim solution". The Treaty of Hudaibiyah remains the model for Muslim perfidy and Hamas will happily dissimulate to buy time and accrue economic, military, and political benefits that advance their agenda.

George Bush is to be commended on his successes in bringing democracy to the ME.


Posted by: Charles Martel [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 12:39 PM

We are now experiencing the first wave of the explosion of extreme Islamic Fundamentalism. Hamas seems like the best candiadate to resolve conflict and promote peace in the Middle East. Hamas actually has an agenda that helps people and looks out for their individual welfare. Of course anyone who has studied terrorism knows that this is just a front. Hamas portrays itself as a religious Islamic group that wants to promote peace. However, they still are involved in numerous terrorist attacks in Israel, including suicide bombings; of course. Hamas wants to generate more support from the people, and only then can they move on with their mission of destroying Israel. People must read between the lines! On the cover, Hamas seems like a destined resolution, but actually they are just as corrupt and evil as most Islamic Fundamentalists and Terrorists are. Hamas is just as dangerous as al Qaeda. People must understand the devastating impact of this news!

Posted by: vinman15 [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 12:40 PM

I caught most of the Bush news conference. I don't dislike the President, but that was, well, bad. First, I'm surprised he didn't lead with that topic (he looked like he'd been up all night), and more notably, it was a tour de force of doublespeak. Bush's comments could be summed up as:

"Congratulations on your free and peaceful democratic elections. You elected a bunch of monsters whom we won't deal with, but again, congratulations for doing it democratically."

I'm cautiously optimistic, but for different reasons: the Palestinian Authority now has more than enough rope to hang itself. They're the only ones with anything to gain by the blackmail-- I mean, peace-- process, and if they abandon it, it'll be 1967 all over again.

Posted by: Shinoliite [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 12:48 PM

The Palestinians have chosen..
In an election that Jimmy Carter and other Leftists have stated was free and Fair..

So now that the Islamic terrorists are in Charge of the Government lets see what happens...

If there is a single terrorist attack by a palestinian against Israel...

There is no more hiding the Fact that Hamass ordered it..

and Since Hamass is the Government now..

Israel should declare a state of WAR exists between the Palestinians and Israel..

Legally and Completely True under all the rules of Law...

Then Hit back HARD on ALL Targets until the Enemy Surrenders..

Posted by: jingoist [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 12:53 PM

Bush could regain some small credibility with me
(and I should imagine some others) by cutting off
aid to this monstrosity right now. It's too bad
there's no Maggie Thatcher telling him not to go wobbly right now.

Time to put aside childish fantasies, and
incidentally, to stop spending my money when these
savages are rolling in dough.

CAIR wants to make America in Hamastan's image,
think about that!

Posted by: American [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 12:54 PM

WHY do we give those people money? I want to know what the supposed logic is. Will someone *please* tell me?

I don't understand the concept of giving people money who not only spit in your face they stand for everything that's evil. We're not getting any benefit from our donations so why do we do it?

Realistically....if NO countries gave the Pals money what would happen to their ecconomy? Could they keep things going without outside help? If the answer is no, the WTF are we and the others thinking? Why should we prop them up?

What would happen if their ecconomy failed?

I KNOW there's people on this board who can answer my questions...... so how about it?

Posted by: fireangel [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 1:23 PM

We now have something in common with Iran - we both fund Hamas !!

We should let muslims fund their fellow muslims..

Posted by: Anti-PC [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 1:28 PM

fireangel said "WHY do we give those people money? I want to know what the supposed logic is. Will someone *please* tell me?"

We give them money because they are suffering, due to our (U.S. and Israel) oppression of them. They were living there peacefully for generations, and then we outsiders came and took their land. Besides, most of them are just like us, and they want the same things we do: peace, democracy, education, prosperity, freedom. We cannot make the people suffer just because they have a few radical leaders. If we do not give them money, they will be humiliated and become radicalized and full of hate for us. So, if they attack us, it's our own fault.

And BTW, Santa Claus lives at the North Pole with his elves and reindeer making toys for all the good children, and the Tooth Fairy flies in at night to replace teeth placed under pillows with small coins. The stork brings babies, the Easter Bunny is hopping along with his basket of eggs that he painted.

Fairy tales for those who are uninterested and uneducated and uninquisitive.

Posted by: special_guest [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 2:30 PM

The British media are up to their old moral-equivalency tricks again. I've just witnissed an on-the-spot Channel 4 reporter (who was completely unable to conceal her glee at a Hammas victory) compare Israel's assassination of Hammas leaders with Hammas's suicide attaks.

She was a total disgrace.

I bet she's now kicking herself at not taking the chance to refer to the Hammas tactics as 'maertyrdom operations'.

Posted by: FallingProphet [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 2:40 PM

The British media are up to their old moral-equivalency tricks again.

As we're now directly funding their terrorism then they can pay for their own stinking propaganda. NO TV LICENCE. Just once, let's invoke the Prevention of Terrorism Act for its intended purpose (instead of assaulting student/pensioner protesters). Our TV licence fee is being used to fund terrorist propaganda - in violation of UK and international security. If i have to knock one law to comply with all the others then it's a no-brainer.

We need some kind of class action against the licencing authority - they're blatantly collecting on behalf of international terrorist's propaganda machine. We can't knowingly cooperate, or we'd be answerable to sponsoring islamicide.

Posted by: Animus Fox [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2006 5:54 PM

They have voted now, and they have decided more islam, they have to build their islamic paradise, out western subventions, out international help, out everything. They have to hate islam, they need a steel wall between moslemlands and west.

Posted by: Franze [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 27, 2006 6:21 AM

What abunch of supid people post anti-islm message here. The west is than moral waste land. Women haveing baby without being married. Far rightwing christian murdering homosexual. Islam doesnot approve of homesexual but doesnot give the right to any muslim to murber then because they are homosexual like some evan anf fundie christian sects do. It like the Aussie far rightwing christian starting a fire in the 3rd holies place in Islam in the 1950's I believe he was paid 100 million dollar in secert by Zionist Israel.

Posted by: DefenderofIslam [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 30, 2006 5:15 AM


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