The following people have reacted unfavourably to the Cartoons of the “Prophet” being published. They have, however, failed to comment on the unacceptable protests in front of various Embassies etc.

Please write to them and include a photo or two of the “peaceful” protestants threatening to exterminate those that do not obey “islam”.

Alvaro Gil-Robles, Commissioner of Human Rights, Council of Europe
commissioner.humanrights@coe.int

Bill Clinton
scheduling@owjc.org

Jack Straw
complaints@fco.gov.uk

http://www.petitiononline.com/danmark/petition.html: this petition has really kicked off: please spread wide and far.

www.supportdenmark.com

Also, write to the BBC, Politiken, US newspapers …. and encourage them to publish the cartoons, in the name of Free Speech in the Western World.

Many thanks,

A concerned Dane.

Posted by: FreeSpeech at February 4, 2006 4:29 AM

I can't speak for anyone else but myself I am not afraid of muslims. That is what they want and I refuse to give it to them. Bullies with bombs and guns are still bullies and we can't back down from them.

I don't believe a thing the writer of the letter said. Why should I? They have proved time after time that they are liars and have all the moral fiber of jack the ripper.

Posted by: fireangel at February 4, 2006 4:35 AM

You are wrong by support that cheap lowlife newpaper in Denmark make you just as guietry as that scumbag editor of that newpaper. By support Conviet WarCriminal Bush in his illegal war in Iraq and his crusade against Islam make you just as guietry.

When you insult 1.5+ billion people you are supid. John Adam the 2nd USA President said it best America
have no bussien being than Crusader state.

Posted by: DefenderofIslam at February 4, 2006 4:36 AM

It seem the Danish government must have supid people working for them since they are useing than uncivil language called Danish instead of Engish the second most use langauge with Arabic being the First.

Posted by: DefenderofIslam at February 4, 2006 4:45 AM

DefenderofIslam you are as illiterate as that overgrown gary glitter you "pray" to.

Tis time for a new crusade methinks

Posted by: LiberalNotQuisling at February 4, 2006 4:46 AM

To DefenderofIslam:

Do "guitry" people deserve to be exterminated, beheaded or annihilated? What is your take on this? What if you could just gag or muzzle them, would this be enough?

Eagerly awaiting your advice on this matter! I always like to hear the opinion of "peaceful" people.

Cheers.

Btw: I do not give a flying fuck whether you are muslim, christian or buddhist. Why? Because your belief system is YOURS, and yours only. You have every right to be a muslim and to be proud of your religion. You do however not have the right to impose your belief system on me. Get it? Probably not...

Posted by: FreeSpeech at February 4, 2006 4:47 AM

Islam invented the atlantic slave trade!

Islam ignores the fact that more muslims have been killed in Darfur than in Israel/Palestine since 1948. Why? Because they're black. Islam is more anti-black than the KKK. Even farrakhan says as much

(see the interview with spike lee in hie 'making of X' book.

You're a bunch of evil spoilt little racist brats

Posted by: LiberalNotQuisling at February 4, 2006 4:50 AM

http://www.memri.org/

lots of fun mulim cartoons here too

Posted by: LiberalNotQuisling at February 4, 2006 4:53 AM

Cartoon rage is a natural by-product of the society that gave us suicide bombers and other extreme responses to world events. Nothing new here, just another day on the Bizarro Planet where submission means peace, and clocks run backwards, the cars have square wheels, and I will kill you if you dare to insult the Prophet in thought or in deed. At this point I am surprised that no Fatwa has been issued on Robert Spencer for telling it like it is, even though there may be no official Fatwa, I can guarantee you the thought has crossed their deviant minds.

May the Peace of The Holy Prophet be upon you!

Posted by: tsweeney at February 4, 2006 5:14 AM

By the way, I am going to wear a blue scarf every Thursday. I hope that you do too.

Posted by: Voltaire at February 4, 2006 5:21 AM

hang on a minute - surely incitement to genocide is illegal?

why arent we rounding these people up and shipping them off to Gitmo for interrogation?

the sign in the photo above infers that they have knowledge of a forthcoming terrorist atrocity..

Posted by: archduke at February 4, 2006 5:23 AM

At the risk of offending some 1.5 billion Muslims the reason the cartoons provoked so much ansgt and rage in the Muslim world is because those cartoons were right on the money, Mohammed was a stinky, lice-ridden, murdering pedophile who killed whosoever got in his holy way. Nothing offends a Muslim like The Truth. Since they claim to now be not responsible for their actions because we have so incensed them so, so much that even the once peaceful Muslim has now flipped into a Jihadi, nothing short of the whole world submitting to Islam will ever appease them, and that will never happen. What a bunch of kookballs they are, is this the best they can come up with to justify another stream of murders?

Posted by: tsweeney at February 4, 2006 5:27 AM

more photos here:
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004448.htm

clear incitement to genocide.

Posted by: archduke at February 4, 2006 5:32 AM

Another myopic BBC article....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4678220.stm

They list the causes of the "cartoon rage.....

1) the rise of violent political Islam (Apparently the Muslims were quite peaceful up until now)

2)America's war on terror (Again, not the Koran)

2)modern transnational media.(Apparently thats a problem we should fix)

Posted by: mistyhymen at February 4, 2006 5:34 AM

Robert

JihadWatch has certainly become more picturesque in the last 24 hours. Contemplating a new look?

Also, since when is addressing you as Mr Spencer the same as calling you 'Sir'?

To your docile pal:

for a muslim youare indeed a well educated engineer who is well educated. hope you are not a programmer. if your programming syntax is anything like your grammer youd be getting fatal errors. as opposed to the fatal reaction that your circumcized comrades wish to inflict on us kafirs.

also apart from being a cult rather than a religion islam is not the fastest growing religion in the world. if you are looking at percent increases, it is falun gong. if you are looking at absolute numbers, it's christianity - in korea, taiwan and china.

iam really impressed that a well educated muslim engineer could discover the shift key before the end of the E-mail. congratulations. now use the space bar more often.

Now for DefenderofIslam:

Conviet WarCriminal Bush just described that bloodthirsty cult of yours as a 'noble religion'. That's the best you're going to get from dar ul Harb these days. Now even on mainstream radio shows, the pedophile is being exposed. I've heard 3 callers in 2 different shows over the last 2 days mention both his fling with Aisha, as well as his getting his daughter-in-law divorced so that he could fu%^ her.

I know that fu&^ing is the only thing you can do well (other than murder), but all that breeding hasn't made the worlds Mohammedan population 1.5b. Care to provide us a break-down by country, using your Arabic numerals?

Allahu-Akbar

Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 4, 2006 5:34 AM

* Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.

* Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.

* Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.

* Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.

* Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.

* A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.

* Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.

* Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.

* Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.

* Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.

* Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.

* Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.

* Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage

* Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.

* Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.

BUT...Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.

Posted by: werter5075 at February 4, 2006 5:41 AM

How are they going to pay for a holocaust with unemployment benefit?

Posted by: Doctor Phibes at February 4, 2006 5:53 AM

They won't actually pay themselves for the planned holocaust, they are actively seeking new aid sources from a benevolent Western society now that the PLA has gone broke. Funny that Egypt refused the offer from Israel of search and rescue support when that cruise ship sank this week. Better to drown oneself in the sea than to be rescued by the likes of the sons of monkeys and pigs, eh? A true Muslim could never live it down if he was rescued by an Israeli monkey he would have to kill himself or be killed in an "honor" killing to rid his family of the shame and humiliation

Posted by: tsweeney at February 4, 2006 6:06 AM

In threatening and justifying murder and use of violence at the smallest pretext (such as this hullabaloo about the Danish cartoons), aren't the muslims simply following the illustrious ways of their prophet Muhhammad?

Posted by: Razdan at February 4, 2006 6:26 AM

That person speaking is probably of Asian descent - He is either an Indian - who was Hindu, a Sikh or a non practicing Muslim.

At the moment the Muslims are putting enormous pressure [which can at times become threatening] on non-Muslims who originate from the same region in the Asian subcontinent - to convert to Islam. Many Hindus have been complaining about the constant badgering that is going on, particularly in universities. So the Muslims corpus probably worked on him while he was studying.

The writer called Jihad Watch - 'a hate site'. But why would people Hate Islam. Where are all the ‘Hate Hindu’ sites or the ‘Hate Sikh’ sites? Why should people single out and ‘Hate’ Islam?

To the writer – If you left Hinduism for Islam you should know that Hinduism and Islam have a lot in common. You must have been taught about Mohammed’s father Abdullah or the servant of Allah – a great man. The thing is, the Allah which Mohammed’s father worshipped, closely resembled the Indian Hindu Gods. The Allah of Abdullah or Allah your God of today, once had three daughters; there names were Allat, Manat, and al-Uzza.

{{Go to this page -

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/allah.html

Here is what it will say :-

The exclusive monotheistic deity in Islam. The name is derived from 'al-ilah', which literally means "the god". The Prophet Muhammad declared Allah the one and only god (of the Islam) in the 7th century CE.

In pre-Islamic times, Allah was the supreme creator-god of the Arabs. The goddesses Allat, Manat, and al-Uzza were considered to be his daughters. }}

And there were a total of 360 Gods who were worshipped around the Kaaba stone at Mecca. So that the Hajj once included these Gods. At that time all of the Gods were divided roughly into Moon and Sun Gods. Because the people of the time had the option of worshipping as many or as few Gods as they wanted, Allah’s daughters were prayed to, for things like fertility rights and abundance and wealth. These deities would have resembled the Goddesses in the Hindu religion. Like Allat - Allah’s daughter wo,uld have brought in the light of the day, to make men wise. And these gods were shared, for example the Arabic Allat become mother of Apollo in ancient Greece.

If you are Indian you may already be familiar with the word Sura – as it means Sun in the Sanskrit Indian. But the word had its origins in the word Suraya - who was an ancient Persian Sun Goddess. So the Sura in the Koran – would mean the light of the God/s.

The phrase ‘There is one God but Allah’ in Islam, would have been originally recited because the worship of Allah’s daughters was so popular in the region at the time. Mohammed’s aim was to prevent people from worshipping the three daughters and it is written that he chopped people up at the temples of these Goddesses. So this portion of the Islamic prayer was to establish ‘Allah’ as a ‘One God’.

This is what Salman Rushdie touched on in his book – and most Muslims would not have known that this is why he had the whole of the Muslim world out to get him. Muslims were simply told that he said something ‘offensive’ about Islam. But the Satanic verse was an actual part of the Koran – which was taken out, changed or abrogated. Sura 53?? The first four versions of the Holy Qu’ran ever written, showed that Mohammed become weak for the religion of his father – and began to worship the three daughters once again. It was seen – that he was being tempted by Satan – hence the name the Satanic verses. With all due respect to the Islam of today – the worship of the three daughters of Allah was very much a part of Abdullah or Mohammed’s father’s religion. Perhaps Mohammed was paying respects to his own father (who died before he was born). These daughters are all mentioned in the Qu’ran – and the Kaaba at Mecca is still guarded by the ‘three old ladies’. In fact there were people in the Saudi desert who were still worshipping these ancient deities well into the last millennium.

I hope your new found faith in Islam brings you all the peace that you desire, but is this religion really worth killing others over? The Muslims won’t tell you about their religion’s imperfections - they would rather put over a more varnished image. But this information is no secret, it is on the net, it is in the Encyclopedia Britannica, so before you go headstrong into this thing, have a look at what other people are saying - first. Remember - Islam doesn’t allow questioning and for good reason!!

Posted by: Pass It On at February 4, 2006 6:37 AM

check out the hat worn by the young child.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006050831,00.html

Posted by: werter5075 at February 4, 2006 6:37 AM

Hello all,

I see you are all fit and raring to go. That's good because people need to stay alert (but I/m sure you don't need me to remind you of that ...Mr. Spencer does that job).

On a different thread I had said that some peaceful muslims may turn ...and so we are starting to see this....the pretty sister in the picture gave up her valuable cooking time to come and protest....exercising her right to free speech too.

Successful muslim engineers are turning too..they have been turning away from their calculations and addressing Mr. Spencer instead.

Another clever muslim has opened up a counter JW website...muslims have been "galvanised" into action.

IMHO, Mr Spencer rightly said that there are (and should be) limits to free speech.

For me however, more than free speech some things are best left sacred and innocent. Allow me a few moments for analysis.

Young childrens in the West lose their innocence too quickly....the media, the peer pressure, the parents, the competition, no father christmas (sometimes no father at all) ...no toothfairy, in short ...they don't get to enjoy their childhood..."they want to grow up too quickly."

Nothing is sacred anymore. This leaves them to be rude, with a lack of respect for parents and authority, school... from a much earlier age, leaving western parents and authorities at full stretch all the time...many vowing not to have another child...hence the falling birthrate of the infidel.

In the East ofcourse, these values are still held in high regard. The muslim will still hold his parents in high regard with full respect, and each child is taught of the 1-2-1 special relationship with Allah (swt) via the prophet Mohd (saw). There is a special sacred bond...you can tell Allah anything, you can wish for things..no will know...and Allah T'ala is all seeing.

The cartoons are not harmless fun as you say, they have tainted this special 1-2-1 relationship with Allah, they have broken this sacredness and innocence held in the HIGHEST regard by my muslim brethern.

I have talked to nephews and nieces who have wanted an explanation to this "infidel exercise", they are young, innocent and have been devastated by this ...but being young don't really understand why.

How can they pray now....without these picture of the prophet in the back of their mind,... the tooing and frowing motion in reading the Koran is not so steady when the images of the "turban bomb" or the "lack of virgins" pictures stretch their long and ugly tenticiles deep into the innocent mind...polluting it ...and for fleeting moments disconnecting the 1-2-1 reltionships.....you want to distance them from Allah (swt).

In summary the cartoons have committed a "virtual murder" of the prophet...and left people like the sister above losing some of her innonence and respect for authority

Let us all pray to Allah for forgivness of this most dispicable act so that it does not lead to real murders....altogether now

"Allah (SWT) you are most forgiving....please show mercy to all believers and infidel... please ensure the safety all....Ameen".

Posted by: Naseem at February 4, 2006 6:42 AM

"I hope your new found faith in Islam brings you all the peace that you desire, but is this religion really worth killing others over?"

I get the feeling that the prospect of killing is one of the main selling points of Islam, especially for new converts. Why struggle to transcend or sublimate such urges when you can just go to a holiday camp in Pakistan and learn how to exterminate Infidels instead? You get to meet lots of new friends, and the money is good too - one of the 7/7 bombers had over £100k in his account, which isn't bad going for someone who thought that blowing himself up was the best way to improve his love life.

Posted by: Doctor Phibes at February 4, 2006 6:55 AM

It is not true that children in the East are not rude to their parents Naseem. Take the case of a young woman in Pakistan who had the audacity to marry for love. She disobeyed her father, but he was swift in his punishment: in December 2005 he slit her throat while she was asleep. For good measure, he decided to slay his remaining three daughters as well, 4-12 years, in case they should follow in their sister's foot step. Another "peaceful" action in the name of "islam".

As for asking that we all pray to Allah, I am gonna have to pass Naseem, as I am not religious.

Posted by: FreeSpeech at February 4, 2006 7:05 AM

growing religion in the world, how am i sure of it because iam a muslim convert.

this clown who posted the above to Robert if he a recent convert to islam must be illerate, as he has not read the Koran properly. it just proves that islam attracts the stupid!

Posted by: Lulu at February 4, 2006 7:07 AM

Naseem -

You make me laugh, praying that all-merciful allah will keep everyone safe from his own supporters. I have a better idea - I'd rather pray to God our loving father and creator, revealed in the person of Christ, from whose followers we have no fear of violence, threats of violence, or death. I don't need to pray to Him to protect everyone from His followers.

- 'In summary the cartoons have committed a "virtual murder" of the prophet...and left people like the sister above losing some of her innonence and respect for authority'

As for the innocence that your sister in allah has lost, I don't see much sign that the protestors were innocents who respected authority until a foreign newspaper published some harmless drawings. In fact I see them as being probably the same people who have been putting stickers all over East London, telling muslims that if they take any part in the democratic process in this country then they are apostate betrayers of the law of allah.

You are a disingenuous, dishonest, double-talking hypocrite, sadly typical of your faith, always keen to blame the rest of the world for your own prejudices and failings, and frankly, (and I say this without any hate in my heart, believe me), if the way we live in the west is so 'despicable' to you, I can recommend many parts of the world where you and your fellow muslims' evidently fragile sensibilities will be greatly respected.

As a Christian I know that the world does not owe me its respect, or submission to my faith; how many muslims in Britain think the same way? From what London has seen over the past two days, not many. If a muslim can't learn that, like the rest of us, sometimes his or her only 'right' is the right feel to private, peaceful anger in the face of perceived provocations, then he or she has no place in a free society, and I seriously and lovingly suggest that they find a society whose rules will make them happier.

Good luck to you, and may God bless you.

Posted by: religion_of_peas at February 4, 2006 7:19 AM

Naseem writes: I have talked to nephews and nieces who have wanted an explanation to this "infidel exercise", they are young, innocent and have been devastated by this ...but being young don't really understand why.

And yet your neices and nephews are not devastated by the almost vdaily outrages by your fellow muslims; e.g. flying commercial airlines into buildings, or cutting heads of teenaged children going off to school, or tearing down of ancient Buddhist relics, or of ....(the list is endless).... Amazing isn't it!

Posted by: Razdan at February 4, 2006 7:19 AM

ROBERT says
Should she be killed? Jailed? Arrested? Threatened? No, none of those.

quite right but one important point is disregarded. The young woman is hiding behind a disguise, a cowardly attempt not to take responsibility for her shameful massage.
Had the same message been broadcast by a right wing Nazi group, the perpetrator would have been instantly identified and arrested.(and quite rightly)
I am also disgusted that none of the American Mainstream press has shown solidarity with the Danish press, yet often print insulting cartoons about Abu Ghraib and GWB. This is typical of the double standards of pubs such as the NYT.
They won't publish the cartoons but they will run anything they can on ABU GHRAIB or GITMO, however tenious, to provoke the Anger of Muslims necause the resulting anger is directed at their government BUT NOT AT THE NEWSPAPER ITSELF!

Posted by: chevalier de st george at February 4, 2006 7:34 AM

How can they pray now....without these picture of the prophet in the back of their mind,... the tooing and frowing motion in reading the Koran is not so steady when the images of the "turban bomb" or the "lack of virgins" pictures stretch their long and ugly tenticiles deep into the innocent mind...polluting it ...and for fleeting moments disconnecting the 1-2-1 reltionships.....you want to distance them from Allah (swt\\

Naseem you stated this about an innocent cartoon!! what about the images of murder, rape, and mayheem brought on by your cult of death.. what about the bodies landing on cement on nine eleven! what about road side bombs killing both non muslims and muslims alike. what about stoneing of people, videos of head decapitations.. you have some freakin nerve to complain about some cartoon! now go cook and clean for your sick husband, or you may find yourself replaced by a new unused model!

Posted by: Lulu at February 4, 2006 7:34 AM

There is a saying in the military that the only kind of men that does not experience fear are those that are crazy.

Maybe I am crazy, but I am not afraid of Muslims, at least not for my sake. I am - however - very concerned about the baggage I am going to leave my (yet unborn) children, I am concerned about the world they will be forced to live in. I am also concerned about the world my sisters might have to live in in just twenty or thirty years time. I am also worried about the survival of the cultural heritage of a country that is eight hundred and sixty seven years old, but that does not make me afraid of Muslims. It doesn't mean that my eyes are closed though.

Sites like JihadWatch, FaithFreedom, LGF, No Pasaran! and many others have been reaching millions (millions!!!), and teaching them about what is really happening. FaithFreedom is probably the best online resource concerning the debunking of Islam, and JihadWatch is definitely the best news source regarding Islamic intolerance - not because of the comments section, and not even because of the articles of opinion -, because of reports those news that most news outlets are afraid to give full coverage to. It also allows you to compare what is reported at JihadWatch with what is reported by dhimmi newtworks like the BBC.

But the message is spreading. Did anyone look at the BBC "Have your say" section concerning the Muslim cartoons? Most of the westerners that wrote - and those were the ones that weren't censored by the BBC "thought police" were aware of the Jihadist process, of Islamic intolerance and of the need to defend our freedoms.

Regarding the BBC, I, for one, only managed to post one thing out of about half a dozen, and only after it was substantially edited to a somewhat tamer version of what I actually wrote. I don't even want to imagine the anger within that thought police after being flooded with comments that reflect the exact opposite of that stations' bowing to her Islamic master.

I am not afraid, and from what I can see, most people - the ones that are aware of what is ultimately at stake - are not afraid either. It is Muslims who have reasons to be afraid. Islam's golden years are over for a very long time, and it's retirement is long overdue.

Knowledge is power. Thank you for empowering us, Mr Spencer.

Posted by: cruzado at February 4, 2006 7:50 AM

"Regarding the BBC, I, for one, only managed to post one thing out of about half a dozen, and only after it was substantially edited to a somewhat tamer version of what I actually wrote"

Well done, they have printed nothing at all of mine in this debate, and my previous commenton an earlier Islam debate was removed.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at February 4, 2006 8:17 AM

I've always been puzzled by the Islamic prohibition against depicting the "prophet" Mohammed. Depictions of Allah might be a no-no, I can understand (there were no famous artistic renderings of God until Michelangelo) but wasn't Mohammed a mere human? What's the big deal?? The argument that depictions might contribute to idolatry has always rang hollow. (I suppose it's better to reverentially circumnagivate a grounded meteor instead.)

I've come to the conclusion that Mad Mo planned this all along in his campaign of promoting his utmost arrogance and megalomania. He wanted his followers to regard him as a special superhuman forever, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

The fabric of deceit is showing large holes these past few days.

Posted by: kafira at February 4, 2006 9:16 AM

Granny,
i know it is hard for may of us to accept what the BBC has become after the admiration it earned for for so many years. i will always remember it for Alistair Cooke's wondrous "letters from America". I believe he did more for the beeb than anyone else. But even he was ostracised by them in his later years.
If you have broadband you should listen to the moral maze in which Melanie battles single handed against the lunacy of what the BBC calls "public debate" on Hamas.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/religion/moralmaze.shtml
It is all very sad.

Posted by: chevalier de st george at February 4, 2006 9:26 AM

Robert,,a Muslim convert. Very good.You have my condolences.
I know why people convert to Islam: It's an easy way out - you don't have to think. Everything is done for you with your religious laws. There is only black and white. There are no grey areas. Other religions are allowed to debate and think.

Does this mean that intellectually lazy people become Muslims? Maybe. Could this explain the "growth" of your numbers? I have read that people are leaving in droves!! If I were a Muslim I would leave: it would shame me to be a part of such a "cult", I can't think of another word for a belief that thinks all its problems should be solved by killing. That is the only remedy these unhappy cartoon readers have come up with. Ever thought of being positive and constructive,,like building bridges,,being tolerant??? Guess not!

After this cartoon incident it seems you are all saying the same. It seems to me you are incapable of thinking at all.

I am sorry if you find this comment and the site offensive but your co-religionists do even more offensive things - like decapitate little Christian girls, decapitate people on live tv and show it on the internet. Blow up holiday makers around the world....cowardly don't you agree??

And you have the nerve to be upset about a cartoon printed in a Christian country? What right do you have to tell the West what we can read? Keep that for your Islamic country newspapers.

Other religions "tolerate" cartoons from all sources, and horrific incidents often perpetrated by islamic countries - get real! We don't threaten en masse as we have seen on tv today.

All you can do is blame the west for all your ills instead of your pathetic, corrupt leaders.

The Crusades are so often mentioned. We all got over that centuries ago - your turn!

Your religion and your leaders are to blame.

Your religion excelled in the Middle Ages in literature, mathematics, medicine, decorative arts etc. What has it done since? Oh yes,,,let me see,,, you have developed the ultimate "smart bomb" - the homicide bomber!

And now you think this site is anti-islam? I disagree,,but perhaps if you used your grey matter you would better understand some of the posts here.

Posted by: Gramfan at February 4, 2006 9:29 AM

What can we say about freedom of speech that has not been said before. The Hypocrisy of muslims living in the west - whatever for - could it be freedom to live in a free society without fear from controling, religious & fanatical governments. The audacity and hypocrisy is just too much to bear now. How much more do we have to put up with before its too late.

Posted by: jimmy at February 4, 2006 9:31 AM

Muslim outrage!!! The only outrage out there is their outrageous behaviour.

Posted by: jimmy at February 4, 2006 9:34 AM

THe advancement of Islam towards the destruction,enslavement and domination of our western society began when we started apologising and blaming ourselves for the successes of our human achievements. The Shame,guilt and dislike so many of us feel for our society is the flood gate by which Islam will conquer us. This is the open wound through which the Islamic virus spreads.
When we begin to start to believe that an evil cult with a long history of savagery and oppression might be equal or better than our own Judeo-christian values, we open the door to darkness.
The cartoon episode is a watershed. If we back down now we are on the road to perdition. the Islamists know this and are testing our resolve to defend ourselves. We must not back down!
Islamist believe that their hideous beliefs outrank totally all our western values, They also believe that ALL their actions against us are justified, they have no self doubts or guilt about the slaughters they have committed.
Until we REALLY believe in ourselves, we will continue to allow them to make inroads, inroads which have already led through multiculturism ad extremis and guilt driven uncontrolled immigration to the unbelievable state of events reached in a mere thirty years .
Believe in yourself and believe in your civilisation and country, the rest will follow on.

Posted by: chevalier de st george at February 4, 2006 9:45 AM

Naseem,

Now we have to listen to you faulting the Infidels for having wrongly inserted images into the minds of deathcult followers? Which they now can't stop focusing on and therefore prevents them from thinking straight? Ergo, we caused the problem and you can't be held responsible for what happens...

Are muslims that unable to control their own thoughts? All the mind-numbing rote recitation and repetitive ritual which consumes virtually every waking moment of the islamic mind (and probably their dreams as well) must inexorably twist what would otherwise be a normal brain into one burdened with some kind of an obsessive compulsive disorder where every thought, word, and deed, is consumed by acts of subservience to allah. Is islam a mental disorder?

Could it be that long term exposure to non-stop islamic ritual buttressed by islamic dogma and reinforced by hate-filled islamic rhetoric actually causes a mental disorder characterized by ultra-inflated egos, a heightened sense of superiority over others, and a vehement hatred for those not like you? Perhaps that explains their behaviour.

Naseem, get help. Tell allah to go back to hell, drop islam right now, and immediately seek help in the form of professional deprogramming to ween you off the cult mindset and get you thinking normal. It may not be too late.

Posted by: Mahdi Al-Dajjal at February 4, 2006 9:56 AM

This is Incredible...

Islam and Sharia laws dont effect non muslims
We constantly hear...

But if you DARE to EVEN speak up
Resist Islam or Disobey OUR LAWS..

Then we muslims reserve the RIGHT
To BUTCHER you and YOur entire country...

SCREW ISLAM...

http://www.jimgoism.blogspot.com

Posted by: jingoist at February 4, 2006 10:06 AM

Obviously, it is impossible for two such different peoples to live together.

I propose we take all the Pakistani, Indonesian, etc. Christians. Throw in some animists, come Buddhists, some Hindus. All Muslims back to Dar el Harb post haste.

Let the Muslims stay in their world, and we in ours.

Minimal trade and contact. NO emigration of Muslims to the west for any reason.

There they can enjoy "beautiful Islam" unconstrained by any of these silly modern inconveniences (like innoculations, and university, and reading, and writing).

Posted by: treehugger at February 4, 2006 10:13 AM

werter5075-Impressive list but you should check out this one. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ they have 4158 (and growing) documented terrorists attacks since 9/11. All committed in the name of islam.

Posted by: JadeDragoness at February 4, 2006 10:51 AM

Naseem-

Better the so-called "virtual" rape of your young female relatives' "innocent Muslim minds" -via cartoons- than the literal rape that Mohammad himself perpetrated on young, innocent Aiyesha, his 9 year old child "bride".

Get serious, you moron.

And stop pretending.

Just join an Islamic death squad and be honest.

Posted by: profitsbeard at February 4, 2006 10:59 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4681294.stm

Another physical attack by Mohammeds monkeys on a Danish embassy.

Does anyone have any news about the counter demonstration that was supposed to occur in London in support of the Danes.

I would love to see some pics from that.

Posted by: km at February 4, 2006 11:17 AM

"In summary the cartoons have committed a "virtual murder" of the prophet...and left people like the sister above losing some of her innonence and respect for authority"

--posted by naseem.

The prophet carried out real murder. Muslims carry out real murder. The woman in the above picture is not "innocent." She is calling for the extermination of all non-Muslim human life: Women, children, babies. She is a bigotted, hate-mongering racist genocidalist, period. Naseem calls her 'sister'? What about the photo images of the real actions of Muslims? Those photo images show the reality of Muslims doing what the prophet ordered: Slay and be slain to make Allah's word superior (9:111). Muslims celebrate when they kill or are killed in this way, and they post the pictures and posters of the bombers all over the Middle East, and throughout the world, to celebrate their bomber heros who have died as the Koran prescribes.

Who put the bomb on Mohammad's head? Of course, Muslims did that. The cartoonist was merely representing a pre-existing association. He did not put an olive wreath or a dove on Mohammad's head. The violent Muslims who kill to promote and "defend" Islam put the bomb there. And the "moderate" Muslims either did nothing to stop it or else were cheering them on from the side-lines. If suicide attacks against civilians were not so popular to the Muslim audience, they'd cease. A significant percentage of Muslims love suicide attacks; they love to see women, children, and babies targetted and slaughtered. It makes them happy. This is difficult for us to grasp. I personally can't explain it. But that doesn't make it any less of a fact. They celebrate with uncontainable glee when women and children are slaughtered.

Muslims can justify suicide attacks by taking the straight orders from the Koran: 4:66 "Slay yourselves" in Allah's cause, and you will be rewarded in Paradise on the level of the saints and prophets (4:66-77). Fighting in Allah's cause means fighting to make Allah's religion conquer all religions. Any means may be used in pursuit of this goal (9:41, 9:5, 8:60); Muslims must do the utmost, within their power, to achieve this. The Koran does not anywhere forbid the killing of of non-Muslims. Even the aHadith are inconsistent as to whether non-Muslim women and children can be killed. (In any case, the purpose of allowin some women and children to live was that they could either be converted to Islam, or used as dhimmis or slaves, or for ransom). In some cases, the "prophet" approved of the killing of women and children if this was militarily expedient.

Muslims are not upset that a cartoon had depicted a bomb on Mohammad's head. They have no problem when Muslims do that every day by blowing themselves up in killing non-Muslim women and children. What bothers the Muslims is that a white European "infidel" did something that was perceived as offensive to Muslims. The cartoons, now no matter who may publish them, even a Jordanian Muslim, they are still seen as a product originating from the evil white European "crusaders."

When will Muslims begin to get some perspective and start facing up to their own racism/bigotry, such as we are seeing expressed so dramatically? When will Muslims take responsibility for murder in the name of the prophet? When will Muslims take responsibility for their own anger?

Look, Muslims will be angry at us non-Muslims no matter what we do. When they aren't rioting over cartoons, they are rioting over the women in bikinis in a beauty contest, or rioting over rumors about a Koran being hurt, or rioting over a drama on CD about a Muslim who leaves Islam to become a Christian. Pretexts? The Koran gives them all the pretexts they need. They hate us just for existing. If they don't hate us they are in clear violation of verse 60:4 which says Muslims must hate non-Muslims until the latter convert to Islam. The fact that we non-Muslims exist is considered aggressive defiance against Allah and the worst crime in Islam (as stated over and over in the Koran), and therefore Musilms must "defend" their religion by bullying and threatening and killing us.

Posted by: Archimedes at February 4, 2006 11:17 AM

Kafira ,

Your post above is correct, as Mo. himself stated he was " just a man ". Islam has imparted on him his status as a god like figure.

Also,it is the use of "infidel" tech, the channel that gives the followers of islam a window into what the world outside is doing.

Otherwise, the cartoons would now be recycled, and/or buried in the sand.

The followers of islam need the infidel in this case so they know when to become enraged.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at February 4, 2006 11:20 AM

jingoist: "Islam and Sharia laws dont effect non muslims
We constantly hear...

But if you DARE to EVEN speak up
Resist Islam or Disobey OUR LAWS..

Then we muslims reserve the RIGHT
To BUTCHER you and YOur entire country..."

And furthermore, if you should presume to be so bold as to speak out or protest against our god-given right to impose our laws on you or kill you, you are an "islamophobe" who has committed the unpardonable sin of insulting our "spiritual" beliefs.

Yup...that pretty much sums up what we're dealing with here...

Posted by: Caroline at February 4, 2006 11:23 AM

Of course the "moderate" Muslim is one who says, "Well I'm a peaceful man on the whole and I personally wouldn't kill you but if one of my "brothers" sees fit to do so well then I quite understand why, because after all, you brought it upon yourself and you have only yourself to blame."

Posted by: Caroline at February 4, 2006 11:30 AM

Exactly. I mean, afterall, Islamic Terror is meant to send a message -- and we have received, deciphered and absorbed that message.

A shame it's not having the outcome the Islamists were hoping for. Poor, poor angry Muslims.

I'm so sorry I don't want my children to live in fear for the rest of their lives, but you helped make Westerners proactive and now you're continuing to "enlighten" thousands more of us every day.

Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Foehammer at February 4, 2006 11:35 AM

From our docile yet genocidal engineer:

"you have started it, you are nurturing it and don't blame the muslims for their actions"

The non-Muslims 'started it.' Islam has a built-in mechanism whereby some non-violent words or deeds are taken as justification for violence. Islam is an ideology that instructs a transition from non-violent conditions to violent ones. Once the cycle of violence gets going, the rest is history.

Non-Muslims 'started it.' Yes, we have access to a special draw-string located in the backs of all Muslims. Muslims themselves cannot reach the draw-string. But non-Muslims can reach the draw-string. This draw-string, when pulled, sets the Muslim off into an automatic spree of rage. We have 100% control over Muslims' angry reactions. The cartoonist was was merely pulling that draw-string in the backs of the enraged Muslims.

Posted by: Archimedes at February 4, 2006 11:35 AM

Are we seriously to believe that these people, Moslem "moderates" indeed, now espousing al Qaeda and bin Laden, were ever more than a hair's breadth from doing so?

"Moderates" such as our letter-wrting engineer "convert" and Naseem demonstrate the incontinence that lurks just beneath the surface of the Ummah, the ever-ready blood lust. Many virtues that we in the West would recognize as virtues indeed, have been stood on their head or warped. Hence, outrage at impiety is twisted into eager thirst for violence and death.

So, is Allah really insulted by cartoons of a man? Does Allah feel threatened by this? Does this mean that Allah is so weak that he needs the sword to prop him up? If so, it betrays a startling lack of confidence for a so-called Supreme Being. Allah bears a striking resemblance to his prophet Mohanned in this respect.

Posted by: Chatillon at February 4, 2006 11:43 AM

muslims are sociopaths.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociopathy

Posted by: Carolyn2 at February 4, 2006 11:58 AM

The "devil made me do it" defense, eh?

In this case, the provocative "infidel" devils in Denmark, and now in France, Italy, Ireland, Germany, the Czech Republic, et al?

We need an ISLAMO-METER, which would guage Muslim blood pressure according to the level of "insult" they feel over everything "Western".

Is a miniskirt a 25% insult and a bikini a 75% one?

Is a cartoon caricature of Mohammad an 85% insult?

Is freedom of speech a 95% one?

How about the crosses on Scandinavian flags?

How about the existence of infidels in general?

(Pfizer, Merck, Bayer, etc. must be making a fortune in statin drugs throughout the Muslim world right now.)

Islam's bloodpressure: 222/666.

Posted by: profitsbeard at February 4, 2006 12:10 PM

Archimedes - I appreciate the graphic possibilities implied in your final paragraph. One could also substitute marionnette strings for the drawstring. Dang it. Too bad I can't draw cause I feel a cartoon coming on. :-)

Posted by: Caroline at February 4, 2006 12:20 PM

This is from the Sun, a picture also carried in the Daily Mirror this morning.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006050831,00.html

A baby girl even had “I Love al-Qaeda” on her bonnet.

The parents of pretty Farisa Jihad, 20 months, proudly proclaimed she is the youngest member of the terror group.

She was brought to the protest by her father Abu, 38. Next to her was a huge poster exclaiming: “Whoever insults a prophet, kill him.”

No British paper had this as front page headlines. The Sun criticised the placards fairly strongly, but not until page 6. Both had their tame house Muslims condemning the cartoons, indeed any representation of Mohammed, as deeply offensive and saying that they must not be shown. I doubt that we will see them in any UK paper in the foreseeable future.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at February 4, 2006 12:28 PM

Naseem,

I have read many of your posts. Previously, you bemoaned the reactions of Moslems to the Danish cartoons; you wished they had reacted with a more moderate tone. Today you changed your mind and became more "radical" by describing how a poor Muslim woman "lost her innocence" as she was forced to view pictures of your murderous "prophet". God forbid she should see such things! The Moslem world is filled with images of violence, does a child not lose all innocence by extorting killing in society!! You also likened her "loss of innocence" to the many bastard children in the West. So we are back on sex again eh? Is that the only thing you Moslems are obsessed with, not violence (which is entirely alright) right? Well maybe you need to get working on that (heterosexual) sex because there are going to be a fewer Moslems in the future.

FEWER MOSLEM MONSTERS

"hence the falling birthrate of the infidel."

Really? Moslem rates are falling too. My my, I suppose there is insufficient piety in your backward societies. Stop giving us Dawa, and go have some sex! After all, if you are to conquer the infidel world, you had better create as many violent (but "innocent") monsters as you can.

I anticipate that you might point to the Moslem population increases in Europe. Indeed, that was the previous model. However, countries across Europe are quietly moving behind the scenes to slow your coming to their shores. Instead of complaining about the cartoons, you should kiss the infidels feet for letting barbarians like you into modern Western countries and giving you public assistance, you ungrateful savages.

Once the doors of immigration are closed to your kind, you will be force to stay in their own worthless hellholes - like Pakistan!

MOSLEM POPULATION DECLINE, AT LAST!

1) The demographics of radical Islam, By Spengler
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/GH23Aa01.html

2) Demographics and Iran's imperial design, By Spengler
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GI13Ak01.html

A MESSAGE TO YOU DEAR NASEEM

Save your dignity and revert to Hinduism or Buddhism if you need religion. If you have the mental capacity, leave religion entirely. You know in your heart the terrible cruelty your Hindu ancestors suffered at the hands of the Moslems. If you did not know, educate yourself about your own ancestors. Read http://www.historyofjihad.org/india.html.
You know that Moslems steal Hindu girls every day. You know about forced conversions. Don't deceive yourself anymore. Escape your wretched religion. If you can't show the world that you left Islam due to fear, fine. If nothing else, leave it in your heart because you know it is garbage. Be free and become a human being.

Posted by: Kafir Nonbeliever at February 4, 2006 12:30 PM

Nice posts, chevalier de st george, Archimedes, and others. As Mark Steyn has pointed out, islam has, from its incipience, been an opportunistic social pathogen. It searches successful, wealthy, and more advanced cultures for any signs of weakness, both physical (e.g., military) and psychological, and invades like a virus. The West's unwillingness to acknowledge its own accomplishments, and indeed its sense of shame surrounding its own success, as Robert points out in the P.I.G. has been exploited by the invading pathogen. One very positive by-product of our struggle to maintain our freedom will be a rediscovery of why our forebearers fought to provide this legacy and, hopefully, these "antibodies" will strengthen us.

Posted by: Infidel33 at February 4, 2006 12:32 PM

Naseem et al. Although I hate to feed trolls, I must say that Muslims in the West know or should have known what Westerners think and feel. They should have known about social mores such as satire, freedom of action, and of speech. How dare you and your co-religionists come here and demand that we change to accommodate you!! If you don't like the West --- leave on the next available transport.

Posted by: epg at February 4, 2006 12:37 PM

Naseem, the link I posted about the jihad against India works as follows:

Go to http://www.historyofjihad.org/
On the left side of the page, click on the Jihad against Hindus of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Unfortunately, you cannot reach that page unless you start at the main site.

Posted by: Kafir Nonbeliever at February 4, 2006 12:44 PM

I think it's great that those mohammadans now have a picture in their minds when they think of
mohammad. I have a few now too.

(1) That Crybaby Mohammad
(2) The Iranian mohammad selling Tuborg and
Danish cheese. These are hilarious! They
ought to use this Mohammad selling stuff
picture for everything.
(3) The demonic mo with swastika. Accurate, but
not funny. I like the funny ones best.

Anyone else have favorites? There are enough entries that we ought to start a contest for
best and funniest.

Posted by: American at February 4, 2006 1:00 PM

Look at the dead eyes and complexion of the woman holding that sign. It brings to mind the saying about the eyes being the windows to the soul.

She looks more "programmed" than angry.

Posted by: Shinoliite at February 4, 2006 1:08 PM

carolyn2: "muslims are sociopaths."

There used to be a term called "psychopathy" also. See this entry at wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath

"Though in widespread use as a psychiatric term, psychopathy has no true equivalent in either DSM-IV-TR's, where it is most strongly correlated with antisocial personality disorder and the ICD-10 dissocial disorder. It is hoped that the projected DSM V will begin to address this anomaly."

Antisocial personality disorder currently lies within the so-called "Cluster B" personality disorders, alongside narcissistic personality disorder.

At the end of the wikipedia article on psychopathy, they note the correlation with NPD.

It is quite fascinating to read the descriptions of all 3 - narcissistic personality disorder, antisocial personality disorder and psychopathy. The commonality of traits across the 3 are quite interesting.

Personality disorders in general are thought to be EXTREME manifestations of otherwise fairly normal character traits. i.e. everyone constructs an ego that they feel compelled to defend against assault. When carried to the extreme, however, it reaches the level of what we might call a "disorder" (obviously this is a normative concept). But there is also a further continuum implied, where the personality disorder becomes a bonafide mental illness.

For an analogy - take obsession-compulsion. Any responsible person who is attentive to their obligations, makes an effort to be on time for appointments and so on, is demonstrating some degree of this. But it is quite normal to do so. Carry it a notch further, however, and you have a more extreme version of what is considered normal, which is classified as a "personality disorder" - namely, obsessive-compulsive personality disorder (which belongs to Cluster C of the personality disorders in the DSM-IV). You take that still a notch farther and you have genuine OCD - Obsessive-compulsive disorder, a full-blown mental illness which may require medication.

Both narcissistic personality disorder and antisocial personality disorder are currently both listed in the cluster B of the personality disorders according to DSM-IV. But it seems pretty obvious that they share in common the ability to spill over into a bona fide Axis I disorder, which ought to be called "Psychopathy" - to connote the extent to which the person has broken so completely with normative behavior that it goes beyond a mere "personality disorder" to the extent that such people are willing and prepared to commit violence, with absolutely no capacity for empathy with their victims and no conscience about doing so at all. The wikipedia article implies that the forthcoming DSM-V may include some correction of this failure of the DSM-IV to properly extend both NPD and APD to their more extreme levels as Axis I psychiatric disorders.

If so, then so-called "moderate" Muslims would generally fall into the "personality disorder" calssification, while the full-blown jihadis would merit a classification as Axis I "psychopaths".

The problem of course is that this entire psychiatric classification is predicated on western notions of normalcy. By such western notions a jihadi might well be classified as a psychopath. But surveying the landscape of this alien Muslim culture and its normative rules, obviously there are no grounds to make the claim that a jihadi is mentally ill. It would be more accurate to claim that the jihadi is quite a normal fellow and that the entire Islamic culture is essentially mentally ill, from the western perspective.

So - FWIW - there's some food for thought...

Posted by: Caroline at February 4, 2006 1:14 PM

Caroline,

Very interesting stuff. I'm of the opinion that ritual-dominated islam leads one into some type of psychopathy evidenced by outbursts of extreme rage and anger. All their anger and rage has to come from someplace deep inside the islamic mind.

I was taught that people can have honest disputes. This is normal in life and that these give us opportunities to fine tune our conflict resolution skills. I was also taught that if you have a problem with EVERYBODY ELSE then the problem isn't with everybody else.. it's with you! Unfortunately, the islamic mind's superiority complex inhibits any meaningful introspection.

Posted by: Mahdi Al-Dajjal at February 4, 2006 1:57 PM

Mahdi Al-Dajjal "I'm of the opinion that ritual-dominated islam leads one into some type of psychopathy evidenced by outbursts of extreme rage and anger. All their anger and rage has to come from someplace deep inside the islamic mind."

Islam at minimum makes narcissistic personality disorder completely normative, even among so-called "moderate" Muslims. Even "moderate" Muslims are grandiose, nurture fantasies of unlimited power (i.e. the power of islam to diminate the globe), feel "entitled" to have their "special" claims acknowledged, lack empathy for the infidels feelings and so on. That's just the "moderate" Muslim. The "extreme" Muslims think nothing of actually killing infidels and feel no pang of conscience for doing so whatsoever. By our normative western notions they are indeed "psychopaths". Muhammad himself murdered more human beings than Charles Manson or John Wayne Gesey or any of our own well-known western psychopaths. Yet Muslims revere what we would instantly recognize as a psychopath - as the most perfect human man. Muhammad most likely WAS a psychopath. But it becomes difficult to label millions of ordinary people who follow in his path as suffereing from bona fide mental illness because Islam makes it normative. And therein lies the problem. It would seem that the concept of psychopathy itself is culturally relative. For someone to be raised in the west and commit mass murder does indeed imply that something has gone fundamentally wrong with the psyche. It seems fairly obvious that one cannot say the same thing about someone raised in the Muslim world. This fact demonstrates the fundamental primacy of IDEOLOGY itself in molding the mind and forming the very basis for normative concepts of mental "health" and mental "illness". Obviously we aren't about to "treat" 1.5 billion people therapeutically. The whole foundation of psychiatry essentially breaks down at this point. In other words, psychiatry as we know it is a thoroughly western thing. And it only makes sense within a western framework.

Diagnosis: Completely incompatible cultures.

Recommended treatment: Isolation!

Posted by: Caroline at February 4, 2006 2:24 PM

Muslim thought---you,You,YOu,YOU!!!

Posted by: bobalharb at February 4, 2006 2:37 PM

"let me introduce myself. iam a well educated muslim engineer."

Exactly what is wrong with you......another EDUCATED MUSLIM ENGINEER in the world....yet alone in the Middle East!

It is time for the Games to Begin. The citizens of the West should start going to the streets and doing their own counter protests. It is about time we show our faces and make our PC politicians and police have to tell you to your faces that your message is not PC enough to be put on a sign. Good luck Britain! You have already outlawed "Piglet" in your governmental offices because it might offend a Muslim! It is Slice and Dice time brothers and sisters!

Posted by: rumoret at February 4, 2006 2:44 PM

Like I said, Muslims are really only happy when they are disembowling other members of humanity...

Posted by: pythagoras at February 4, 2006 2:51 PM

"How can they pray now....without these picture of the prophet in the back of their mind,... the tooing and frowing motion in reading the Koran is not so steady when the images of the "turban bomb" or the "lack of virgins" pictures stretch their long and ugly tenticiles deep into the innocent mind...polluting it ...and for fleeting moments disconnecting the 1-2-1 reltionships.....you want to distance them from Allah (swt)."

Naseem:

How can my children sleep after coming across a picture of the young Christian Girl who had her head chopped off by some insane Muslim who follows your prophet!

Oh...I get it.....IT DOES NOT MATTER to you NASEEM because you are ABOVE all other religions and view everyone else as less than human. Did you cry out for the young Christian Girl? Did you protest on the streets? No.....your Muslim brothers and sisters could not get out on that day....could you! So go hide like cockroaches do when the lights come on and shines on your BLACK CULT called Islam!

Posted by: rumoret at February 4, 2006 3:10 PM

My friends,

I would like to thank the muslim posters here today for expressing their views and encourage non-muslim posters not to call them "stupid" or insult them in other ways. This only plays into the hands of those who would call this site and it's posters rascists or prejudiced against muslims. We have to remember that while we do face a growing world-wide islamofascist threat, it may still be possible to persuade the majority of muslims that the hate-cult of wahabbi islam will only result in the deaths of millions of muslims and non-muslims alike if it is not rejected by islam at large. We need muslims to recognize that such ideologies are incompatible with peaceful coexistence and will only lead to a long and bloody war for survival.

That being said, i fear that every new cartoon, bombing, and violent protest will only serve to further radicalize moderates on both sides. Perhaps this is inevitable especialy with a war against Iran looking like a certainty. I beseech muslims to do their best to discourage the spread of militant islam and to try and recognize that non-muslims are not subject to their laws or beliefs. In the absence of such efforts, we are destined for a cataclysm the likes of which humanity has never seen. Does anyone have some Idaho property for sale?

Posted by: fatnun at February 4, 2006 3:36 PM

"Be Prepared for the REAL Holocaust"...

There is a story...as I heard it, it took place in Persia, long ago. I imagine this story's format is standard for many cultures. You, dear reader, are probably familiar with it.

There was a great King with a great army on the west side of a river. Across the river was his enemy's army.

That night, the great King called in his soothsayer, and asked him what would happen should he cross the river to the east and make battle on his enemy.

The soothsayer replied that if he did so, a great battle would be won, and a great kingdom destroyed.

The great King, knowing his army outnumbered his enemy's army by 10 to 1, went to sleep that night with a smile on his face.

The next morning, the great King and his army crossed the river and attacked his enemy.

The great King was killed in battle that day. His army was totally destroyed. And the enemy army crossed the river to the west, entered the great King's kingdom, and destroyed it.

"Be Prepared for the REAL Holocaust". I hope she is, for it may turn out that she and her friends and family will be the ones on the receiving end of such death and destruction.

Be careful what one asks for, YOU might just get it.

Posted by: SCV at February 4, 2006 4:14 PM

caroline wrote:

Of course the "moderate" Muslim is one who says, "Well I'm a peaceful man on the whole and I personally wouldn't kill you but if one of my "brothers" sees fit to do so well then I quite understand why, because after all, you brought it upon yourself and you have only yourself to blame."

those "peaceful" muslims will also provide support for the terrorists. they'll hide them, transport them, feed them, etc...

what has happened to the UK? they used to have balls! now the morons have disarmed themselves while inviting enemies to live there....

Posted by: theygottago at February 4, 2006 4:30 PM

This all is the one good ray of hope in an otherwise dismal age. That the Moooslems riot and threaten death over something as idiotic as this makes it easy for all to see that their presence represents a danger to civil society. Lacking a Jewish/Israeli angle increases the work the European multi-cultis will have to do to make excuses for this (but of course excuses they will make).

Still, regardless of the idiocy of governments, the people (I hope) cannot but help to notice just how endangered they are.

It makes me think the day of mass expulsions is closer than ever.

Posted by: Seymour Paine at February 4, 2006 4:45 PM

Infidel
Now you're talking!
Islam is as you say a virus that invades as soon as it spots weaknesses in foreign bodies.

Pride in one's civilisation must be re-taught in the home and at school and Uni.
Every time we denigrate our civilisation, we spit on the graves of the millions who have died to make our lives easier.
And we open ourselves up to attack form those who take pride in their murderous bloodshed and are allowed to live amongst us through the idiocies of the multiculturist extremists. Traitors who take for granted what we have achieved and consider even the most evil cultures better than our own.
Democracy has been built on bricks of blood and we must never forget or take it for granted because then how easily we could toss it aside like a dirty rag!
Europe suffers from what i call "The disease of too many centuries" . So much cumalitive History to be manipulated by revisionists into "Hatred for its sins".
Australia and the US are new countries without those hangups. That's why they are better equiped to fight back agianst the self destructive propaganda war.

Posted by: chevalier de st george at February 4, 2006 4:46 PM

One comment about Islam being the fastest growing religion: Is that true? What about evangelical Christianity, especially in China. I've read that there are several 100 million secret Christians in China. Hard to validate, of course, but intriguing.

Posted by: Seymour Paine at February 4, 2006 4:49 PM

Hi Miss Caroline,

How are you doing today, girlfriend? I read your post on the other thread. No, I can't believe how fast these threads are being put to bed. But I love it! When we can post a lot we can listen and think a lot and my resolution is coming fast and furious. (But not in a rage. I don't feel any need to kill anybody or anything like that!)

Do you have the website for Shiva that shows the woman impaled with the broomstick? I know it's gross but viewing that sort of thing steels my resolve. I know I've said this before but you might not have seen my post about the middle aged woman who was being buried alive. I can't get that one out of my mind. She was in such utter anguish and the three big strong guys who were methodically burying her just looked like they were working on some project for work. No expression, lost in their work. The thing that struck me about that was that it takes a long time to bury someone and if it were me doing the burying, I'd have lots of time to feel remorse for what I was doing and maybe think twice about continuing. As in the post you mention about the lady with the broomstick, what could they possibly have done to deserve that kind of treatment? I mention it here because you, Miss Carolyn, and I are only too aware of what would happen to such outspoken women as ourselves if we were forced to live under Sharia law, which is the goal and obligation of every Muslim on the face of the earth who follows their religion, to achieve. That's why we are vocal. That's why our freedom of speech and freedom of thought cannot be extinguished. Our very lives depend upon it.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 4, 2006 4:56 PM

Hi Isabella! Hopefully this link works. Scroll down to the rape pictures on the post dated October 22. It's the last picture.

http://www.fomi.nu/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1627&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

Posted by: Caroline at February 4, 2006 5:47 PM

Isabella - I forgot to add - sounds to me like the picture you saw of a woman being buried alive was probably that of a woman being buried up to her shoulders to be stoned to death. I think they're usually completely covered in a shroud (as I've seen in a video, which gets all covered with blood as stones are thrown at the head) but maybe not always.

Posted by: Caroline at February 4, 2006 5:55 PM

"...I've seen in a video, which gets all covered with blood as stones are thrown at the head) but maybe not always..."

How heinous this "religion" is. How disgusting that such filth is happening... I deplore the fact that in order to defend ourselves from the horrors of Muslim beliefs, we must in part immerse ourselves in their blood stained religion, and witness their barbaric atrocities...

Islam brings us all down, and even in the end, if we prevail over its dark forces, humanity will be long in recovering from the abominations Muslims have caused to happen...

And while I admire your comments, Isabellethecrusader, about not being rageful, or wanting death to come, I believe fervently that before this is over, the Muslims will force our hand to do things to them in our own defense that will make us shudder to think... But if it comes to pass, we must all remember that what we do in our defense is necessary -- We've given the Muslims ample opportunity to show a different face to the world, and rather than taking this opportunity, we see them amplifying their hatred, magnifying their rage, and organizing in every regard to defame, distort, undermine, erode, demoralize, and infiltrate out society...

There is no sign that Islam is less of a threat than it was 5 years ago -- and every sign that things are rapidly becoming much much worse for us... How much more will we endure?

Posted by: jsla at February 4, 2006 7:34 PM

there, there,Naseem...you're just tired after the strain of the day..perhaps you should have a chocolate?..

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Posted by: hammerhead at February 4, 2006 8:03 PM

This clash between the West and the Middle East isn't about religious differences. America understands religious differences, and many other differences between peoples. This clash is about the differences between cultures of tolerance, and cultures of intolerance. Americans struggle with tolerance as we try to recognize and respect the beliefs or practices of others. But there must come a point where Americans cease being tolerant of the beliefs and practices of others who will not tolerate other beliefs and practices. That point is in front of us now, represented by a culture of intolerance that not only burns flags, riots in the streets, assaults innocent people who happen to be from the same country, but without batting an eye readily puts people to death for a cartoon. Is there any more grotesque example of intolerance in this world than those who align themselves with such a culture? Is there any principle within the Constitution of the United States of America that the people of this intolerant culture would ever accept? I think not. Ever. When a cartoon is ample reason to murder a fellow human being, then Americans must recognize that point at which we must also become intolerant. We must not tolerate the imposition of this culture of intolerance upon the rest of the world. That culture must be eliminated.

Posted by: cdrusnret at February 4, 2006 8:23 PM

Isabella - Re the picture on Shiva's site of the woman with the broomstick shoved up her - I see now in small red writing that Shiva says she was informed that this image actually comes from a porno site (at least the disclaimer appears to be referring to this particular photo). Sure as hell doesn't look like any porno site picture to me so I don't know what to make of that claim, as it's quite obviously an actual forensic photo. I am, however, curious to know the facts about its origin because I recall the 1st time I saw it, it stayed with me quite viscerally for several days. It is a very disturbing picture. If Shiva can't verify its origins, however, then she should remove it from her site.

Posted by: Caroline at February 4, 2006 8:28 PM

Caroline,

In understand that muslims are in a near-constant state of rage but let's look at the non-muslim side of the equation for a moment.

Western civilisation has been literally under-seige from the islamic hordes for well over a thousand years. This is a very very long time and some things do have a way of working their way into our genetic profiles.

I'm beginning to believe that the collective mindset of the west suffers from a mentality of a society under long term siege. The mentality of a people under siege is well understood.

As the barbarians are outside our city walls beating their drums, rattling their sabres, and calling for our destruction, we have a number of our own people demanding appeasement, running around telling us not to offend them any further, calling for our society to give them what they want so they'll go away, let them inside the city gates and ask for their forgiveness, and throw ourselves on their mercy.

Could it be that the collective mindset of western civilization reflects that of a people who've been under siege for so long that it has burned itself into our collective psyche?

Conversely, could it also be that the collective mindset of the islamic hordes reflects that of a people doing the besieging, beating their drums, and rattling their sabres outside city gates for so long that is has been burned itself into their collective psyche?

Just some thoughts.

Posted by: Mahdi Al-Dajjal at February 4, 2006 9:18 PM

Correction: Meant to say: "I understand..."

Posted by: Mahdi Al-Dajjal at February 4, 2006 9:31 PM

Caroline,

Dear God in heaven, there is nothing that girl could have done to deserve that. But if Muslims feel that their strategic plan to take over the world is heavily dependent on using rape to demoralize the enemy by physically and emotionally destroying their women we've got bigger problems than a billion of them freaking out and burning down embassies and churches. Perhaps we should be bombarding every website, e-mail address and blog with those pictures, instead of the cartoons. Then maybe all the lemmings would finally wake up and see once and for all what the noble religion of Islam is all about.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 5, 2006 12:02 AM

Fatnun~

You need to do a LOT more reading. Anybody who thinks it is just the wahabbi that is causing the trouble needs to read Mr. Spencer. They are leading the charge of militant islam today but they didn't make anything up.

Posted by: Borg at February 5, 2006 1:20 AM

WHO STARTED IT?

“CARTOON RAGE” WAS MANUFACTURED OUT OF LIES

Moderate Danish Muslims opposed “outraged” imams (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/689) and the newspaper had apologised for causing offence (but not for publishing)

The “outraged” imams nonetheless launched a planned, concerted campaign (http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1702104,00.html) to deliberately whip up Muslim “anger” by sending a delegation throughout the Islamic world handing out a 43 page document containing 15 images…

“Meanwhile, the Danish tabloid Extra Bladet got hold of a 43-page report that Danish Muslim leaders and imams, on a tour of the Islamic world are handing out to their contacts to “explain” how offensive the cartoons are. The report contains 15 pictures instead of 12. The first of the three additional pictures, which are of dismal quality, shows Muhammad as a pedophile deamon (sic), the second shows the prophet with a pig-snout and the third depicts a praying Muslim being raped by a dog. Apparently, the 12 original pictures were not deemed bad enough to convince other Muslims that Muslims in Denmark are the victims of a campaign of religious hatred.

“Akhmad Akkari, spokesman of the 21 Danish Muslim organizations which organized the tour, explained that the three drawings had been added to “give an insight in how hateful the atmosphere in Denmark is towards Muslims.” Akkari claimed he does not know the origin of the three pictures. He said they had been sent anonymously to Danish Muslims. However, when Ekstra Bladet asked if it could talk to these Muslims, Akkari refused to reveal their identity.” ttp://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/668

“Their “explanations” were biased and inaccurate. The Danish-Egyptian Dialog Center in Cairo says that after meeting with the Muslim representatives from Denmark the Egyptian press has claimed that Danish newspapers are waging a campaign against Islam, that Copenhagen plans to introduce a state censored version of the Koran, that a Danish film is underway to show how horrible Islam is“, and that the matter involves 120 cartoons – not 12.” http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/646

It took four months to do the job to the extent that the western mainstream media at last picked up the story of what appears to be spontaneous Muslim “outrage”, never mentioning any of the above.

Bulgaria, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Switzerland, Hungary, New Zealand, Norway, Poland and Jordan have published the original cartoons (The editor of a Jordanian newspaper that suggested Muslim anger was unreasonable, was sacked by his publisher. Al-Shihan had run the cartoons, arguing: “What brings more prejudice against Islam, these caricatures or pictures of a hostage taker slashing the throat of his victim?” - two editors have since been arrested - http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/jordanian-newspaper-editors-arrested/2006/02/05/1139074095486.html.

NZ expressed it best: “Dominion Post editor Tim Pankhurst said on Friday his paper's publication of the controversial cartoons was an issue of solidarity and supporting press freedom, and he was not setting out to deliberately antagonise the Muslim communities of New Zealand”. http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/nz-braces-for-cartoon-fallout/2006/02/05/1139074093234.html?page=2

however...

Britain (although The Daily Telegraph and the Sun did publish a picture of the front page of Wednesday's edition of France Soir, which featured one of the cartoons, but both blanked out the image of Muhammad.... ) and that bastion of “free speech”, the US of A (http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyID=2006-02-03T171307Z_01_N03197247_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-CARTOONS-USA.xml) have declined to do so. Now, even Denmark is backing down http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/2006_01.php

This issue should have been allowed to die a natural death in its place of birth. It had been taken to court and decided under Danish law http://www.jp.dk/indland/artikel:aid=3481446/ but was too good an opportunity for Islamists to let slip through their fingers. It has taken them four months of deliberate and concerted effort, but they have managed to drive it by force, literally, into a world-wide live-or-die battle of manufactured outrage v freedom of the press.

Who is it that "started it", again?

Oh! And wasn't it lucky that all those “outraged” Islamic nations just happened to have a handy stockpile of Danish flags to burn for the cameras over the past few weeks?

Posted by: SandiM at February 5, 2006 3:30 AM

Hey Nazz, I see you're still stirring up the bees nest of Islamic controversy. You are really into Islam, aren't you? Well good for you. I was going to comment on your comment, but my fellow anti dhimmists have got it covered. But I will ask you this, Did you see Super Bowl? It was the Pittsburgh Steelers against the Seattle Seahawks. Who did you have favored to win? The Steelers or the Seahawks? I won't tell you who won. Don't want to spoil the game for you.
I mean, You do watch American football, don't you? Or is it banned by the imans, ayatollas, the koran, or the pedeophile false prophet Muhammad?
Oops! Old habits are hard to break.
You have a great day and keep bailing the water of denial from the sinking ship Islam. (There I go again!)

Posted by: Ironman Hondo at February 6, 2006 9:27 AM