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February 4, 2006

Protests and calls for vengeance spread across globe

A global cartoon rage update from The Guardian, with thanks to JE:

Britain

Demonstrators marched from Regent's Park mosque, London, to the Danish embassy, with banners reading: "Kill the one who insults the Prophet" and "The only way this will be resolved, is if those who are responsible are turned over so they can be punished by Islamic law, so that they can be executed".

This is why there should be no apologies, no retribution, no firings, nothing. Since when does Islamic law apply to non-Muslim Danish cartoonists?

Ireland

The Irish Daily Star joined other European papers in publishing the cartoons. "We wanted to give our half a million readers a chance to actually see this infamous cartoon," said columnist Joe O'Shea. "We thought it would be a good idea to make a stand for freedom of the press and democratic rights."

Denmark

Egypt's ambassador, Mona Omar Attia, said the Danish prime minister's response to drawings controversy was inadequate and the country should do more to "appease the whole Muslim world". More than 70 ambassadors attended a meeting with the prime minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who warned: "If the protests in the streets escalate further, we may be faced with unpredictable repercussions in all the affected countries. We have a common interest in calming down feelings and in settling this affair."...

Germany

The home minister, Wolfgang Schäuble, defended the decision by four German newspapers to publish the cartoons, declaring: "Why should the German government apologise? This is an expression of press freedom."

The Vatican

Cardinal Achille Silvestrini, a retired Vatican diplomat, said: "Freedom is a great virtue but it must be shared and it must not be unilateral. Freedom of satire that offends the feelings of others becomes an abuse, and here we are talking about nothing less than the feelings of entire peoples who have seen their supreme symbols affected."...

God save us from retired diplomats. Your Eminence, I await your statement on this, which should strike you closer to home.

Jordan

Jihad Momani, the editor sacked for reprinting the cartoons, said his purpose had been merely to demonstrate the extent of the Danish insult to Islam. "Oh, I ask God to forgive me," he wrote in a public letter of apology yesterday....

Afghanistan

President Hamid Karzai urged newspapers to dismiss editors who published cartoons depicting Muhammad. "As much as we condemn this, we must have, as Muslims, the courage to forgive and to not make an issue of dispute between religions or cultures. But that doesn't mean that insulting cartoons about Islam must continue to appear. They must definitely, definitely stop."

Must this be unilateral? Or will there be a similar effort by Muslims to end violence committed in the name of Islam?

Posted by Robert at February 4, 2006 7:22 AM
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The British police as far as can be reasonably observed, approve of death threats and violent actions such as flag burning. If they didn't they would have been all arrested.

I watched a Dhimmi British policeman threaten a British van driver and force him back into his van for daring to rebuke the violent feral mob.

Apparently it is not an arrestable offence to make death threats in Britain but it is to challenge someone making them.

Law and order has died in Britain and the police are now redundant and their credibility has been once and for all shattered.

The Muslims are unable or unwilling to take account for the actions of those within their ranks, they passively approve of violence in the name of their "religion".

The State of Britian, as I can only comment on the failure to control them here, is not in a position to act strongly against these people.

Therefore it is for the people of the countries who find themselves in a position as they cannot speak out against what they feel is wrong to use the fight or flight dilemma. Remember wherever you go they follow so one of them is not an option.

Posted by: IceDragon [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2006 7:45 AM

As this is just more evidence of the vile projected by Islam it baffles me as to why the civilized world neglects to recognize the evil of Islam.

Too tolerate the ramblings of mad-men who want to rule the world according to muhamod...who had some questionable personality traits.

I guess in dealing with Islam you either approach it with eye's wide open or with eye's closely shut.There is no middle to this, those who think they have fooled us through the eye's of muhamod are only kidding themselves, when the rest of the world is forced to ackknowledge the true meaning of Islam there will be hell to pay by all party's involved and the wrath of GOD will sort them out.

Posted by: chuck [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2006 8:31 AM

I was listening to EL-CNN this morning and I found it quite discouraging it appears that the press has taken the view that they need to pick sides.

Here was a program that sponsored three schools of thought. I will only deal with two because the 3rd was a retarded columnist. The first was the editor of the paper in Denmark trying to get his point across that the cartoons were an attempt to distinguish between what was in good taste and what was the right of the press in publishing the cartoons. He also made the point, although not forcefully enough, that the cartoons making the rounds in the ME were not the ones published by Jyllands. On cue he is interupted and the moderator(sure) goes to her muslim scholar guest who is given free reign to rant a load of shit about peacefulness this and tolerance that etc etc etc.

What I don't understnd for the life of me is what is the ulterior motive, the underlying current permeating throughout the western media houses that is forcing them to deflect from the main issue...HOW IS IT THAT "CARTOONS" CAN MAKE THESE PEOPLE BEHAVE LIKE THE ANIMALS THEY ARE???????????????????????????????

Again it begs the question who in 10 downing street or the white house is jockying for politcal position behind the scenes and WHAT is the pot of gold they are after?

It is all becomming too frustrating...!

Regards to you Robert and the rest of your team

Shunkleash (PBUH)

Posted by: Shunkleash [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2006 9:36 AM

Curious observation:

I notice every sign that I have seen so far in all the photos presented has been drawn up by the same person?

Posted by: Mackie [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2006 10:20 AM

NPR (No Press-freedom Reporting) in the U.S. on its Saturday morning "Weekend Edition" discussion of the "Cartoon Jihad" had its lead commentator (Scot Simon) asking whether the publication of the caricatures was "a provocation" "equivalent to shouting 'Fire!' in a crowded theater?"

Glad to know what 'freedom of the press' (and the airwaves) means to those at this spineless station who leech off my tax dollars.

Who is at risk of being hurt? ... and I mean really physically injured by the printing of these cartoons?

The Muslims calling for the beheading of the brave artists?

Or the artists?

In the (misunderstood by NPR's crack "comentator" Simon) "shouting-'Fire!'-in-a-crowded-theater" scenario, it usually means: the instigator risks bodily harm and death to innocent people.

In the "Cartoon Jihad" case, it is those who mock the pedophile "prophet" and his deadly followers, who risk harm or death, themselves.

From the "upset" Muslims who rally on the streets of Western capitals and call for the beheading or extermination of anyone who tweaks their "prophet" with a nib.

The world of the NPR p.c. pimps is one in which reality is stood on its head.

There, the 'offended' get to call for the death of those who drew little doodles making fun of extremist "religious" violence and demand the permanent silencing of all who would dare draw little doodles making fun of their violent "creed".

Is that Peter Zenger I hear spinning like a lathe in his grave?

Posted by: profitsbeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2006 10:43 AM

Great website. Lots of very knowledgable articles.

Regarding the outrageous demo yesterday and the softly softly policing

Maybe the authorities have used the weapon of free speech to allow the Islamiscists the opportunity to expose themselves as what they are – hate fuelled racists.

The images have gone around the world. Free thinking people and will be outraged on seeing these images. This is pretty useful in rousing the free world to recognise the evils of Islamofascism.

The MCB seem to feel that it is damaging

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4676524.stm

Meanwhile the authorities have the evidence to arrest these bigots at time of their choosing. Do not underestimate the British.

Posted by: Turbinehead [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2006 10:51 AM

I again will join in by saying that I find the intolerance over this cartoon ridiculous. Obviously these people see no wrong in attempting to force their beliefs upon others. And other religions are not free from blame. Christians still travel to Middle Eastern countries to convert people and I disagree with that if it is aggressive in nature.

These countries need to be put in their place. How dare they think that they have a right to control our freedoms. They want respect for Muslims, and they want us not to prejudize against them and yet with each day they further strengthen the hatred on their opposition, due to the numerous acts of barbarianism. I mean honestly, do they think making death threats, and rioting over a cartoon are going to have a positive impact?

Those in free nations don't fear these ignorant people. We will not back down and apologize for speaking our minds. We fought way too hard to gain that priviledge. By making threats and inciting violence they are just strengthening our resolve.

Posted by: v4ri4bl3 [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2006 10:51 AM

profitsbeard - good post.

Perhaps our schools have been a bit derelict in their duty to teach the fundamental rules of logic.

Posted by: Caroline [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2006 11:56 AM

v4rl4bl3 has stated my position. Caving in will set a precedent from which we will never recover. Muslim migrants to the West and those converts knew in advance what the West was like and how we think. They should never have come here and defintely should return or migrate to a society that is compatible to their beliefs. I would add that Muslims abuse non-Muslims all over the world, stripping them of dignity and freedom. Thus, the complaint over cartoons is ludicrous.

Posted by: epg [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2006 12:29 PM

I am just appalled at the Muslim response to the cartoons. Western civilization is based on the freedom of expression which was hard won. If Muslims are offended by such inane banalities as these mild cartoons then maybe it is time for the Muslims to emigrate to their Islamic paradise of choice. If our freedom is repugnant to Muslims they should not come here in the first place. We should never modify our customs, traditions, and freedoms because some may be offended. The Muslims need to modify their behaviour and join the 21st century.

It does seem odd that it took four months for this to develop. Why now? Maybe the furor is designed to take attention from something else? I wonder where all the Danish, Norwegian, French, UK, and other flags came from? I wouldn't expect a large stockpile of Danish flags in the Palestinian territories, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, or anywhere in the Middle East.

Posted by: Caratacus [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2006 1:06 PM

v4ri4bl3 - agreed on Christian evangelism. However it's worth remembering that Christian evangelists seek to save the eternal souls of others who haven't had the opportunity to hear the Word. Islamic expansionism - da'wa - seeks to dominate the world and subjugate all peoples.

I fear the current spectacle is preemptive justification for an imminent attrocity... i hope i'm wrong.

Posted by: Animus Fox [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2006 1:28 PM

From Turbinehead's link:

Inayat Bunglawala, from the Muslim Council of Britain, told the BBC that any kind of cartoon that was derogatory to a race or group in a stereotypical way was "unacceptable".

Well The Simpsons are stuffed then. And just about every other cartoon. Come to think about it, what is a cartoon? Will the MCB be boycotting Hogarth's House, or attacking caricaturists in Leicester Square? Talk about 'not getting it'.

Posted by: Animus Fox [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2006 1:56 PM

Caving in to these cartoon demands is called dhmminitude.

Posted by: ARAKIS [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2006 2:15 PM

do not underestimate the british? why not? these are definately NOT the same people who fought hitler. i'm from the South (USA), and you can call us backwoods hicks, inbred morons, or anything you want. but the kind of crap happening in the UK would NEVER happen here. they would be WIPED OUT.

now that you've given up your guns, how are you going to fight your subjugation? nasty words? oh, i forgot, you can't even talk nasty to a muslim (who's holding a sign calling for your extermination) without being arrested.

how's that political correct multiculturalism working out for you now?

ps. piglet says muslims taste just like chicken!

Posted by: theygottago [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2006 4:40 PM


If they wish to retaliate against the American people over these cartoons, I think there are plenty of patriots that will engage them, and then put their fire out.

Posted by: DCWatson [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2006 6:19 PM

I'm sure glad that most Muslims don't go for all this violence and Islamic supremacism stuff... I'm sure glad the vast majority of peaceful Muslims are out there in such great numbers countering the escalating calls for hatred, beheadings, embassy and church burnings, kidnappings, and all such un-Islamic stuff... I'm sure glad the airwaves are filled with Muslims arguing with their less "moderate" Muslim friends, and instructing them in the error of their ways... I'm sure glad these "moderate" Muslims are explaining how the tiny minority of misunderstanders are giving Islam a bad rep by acting so, and explaining in scholarly Islamic ways about how distorted and misguided the "perverters" version of Islam really is...

Oh -- wait... None of that is happening, is it? I don't see any "moderate" Muslims arguing and repelling the "immoderate" Muslims... In fact, there don't seem to be ANY "moderate" Muslims out there, now... Hm...

OK --- This started out optimistically -- ....

Well...

How 'bout this:

I'm so glad that we're finally seeing the true face of Islam -- I'm so glad that the Muslims are illustrating vividly for the unsuspecting Westerners who still don't understand what a malignant and poisonous belief system the Muslims adhere to, and how, even in the supposed sanctity of our secular truly pluralistic societies, the cancer of Islam is spreading, the disease of Islam is contaminating everything it touches...

I'm not so glad for that, of course, but I am thrilled that we are finally seeing what kind of filth the Muslims are, how corrupt they are, how foul and impure are their intentions -- and how dangerous they are...

It's an ugly wake up call - but a necessary one... The world must learn how odious Islam is, or fall under its black pall ... I'm so glad that we may finally be waking up to the dread disease which has been plaguing us -- the Muslim monster is moving -- spreading -- infiltrating -- metasticizing -- multiplying -- plotting -- hating -- killing -- maiming -- I'm so glad these things arent' hidden from our clear view any more...

Posted by: jsla [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2006 8:03 PM

The struggle here is not within those Muslims who are so intolerant that they apply and impose their religious beliefs on the rest of the non-Muslim world. They are sure of themselves, and committed to their cause and belief system. They don't struggle. The struggle here is among cultures who value tolerance but understand what they will not tolerate, who have struggled with accepting the rights of those whose beliefs and practices are different from our own. Tolerant cultures such as is found in the United States of America are struggling with how to respect and hopefully live with a culture of profound intolerance, that is not shy or bashful about vulgar demonstrations of intolerance in the name of a religion they recognize is not accepted by every human being on this planet. Yet they without reservation apply the laws of their religion to the rest of the world outside their religion and culture. We who are on the outside looking into that culture are the ones who struggle. We want to tolerate, to accept, to value, to live with peoples of different beliefs and practices. Our struggle comes from being faced with a culture of intolerance that we are finally realizing we can not tolerate, or accept, or value, or live with. That culture will never tolerate freedom of speech, or religion, or expression. So we must not tolerate them. We can't. America is not a nation of various tolerant peoples, but instead a a nation of laws, and our Constitution is in diametric and I'm afraid unreconcilable opposition to the culture of intolerance exemplified by necessary calls for murdering cartoonists. We have seen the limit of our tolerance, and it is them.

Posted by: cdrusnret [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2006 8:48 PM

hello my beloved infidel I see the party is warming up again.

It has been sometime since my last posting as I have sat back and watch and pondered deeply about the threat that Islam and its more radical followers are continually projecting to 'infidels' and how they will remove us from the face of the planet.

My thoughts are always drawn to why our infidel governments are not doing more in the format of 'protests' in response to the unlawful killing of 'infidels' at the hands of Jihadists the world over. Presonally it is a one sided arguement/debate/demonstration when you see the heads of states and mufti demonstrating 'clincial symptoms of bi-polor disorder' when they do not like a particular opinion which differs from their own. Where are our leaders and where is the leadership in the non islamic world that sits back and silently does nothing about the shockingly cruel and inhumane acts of barbarism being inflicted on 'infidels' by terrorists, groups of thugs and bandits who profit from the subjugation of innocent indiviudals whos only crimes are to report the truth, help to improve the well being of their follow human beings.

Where is Mr Bush, John Howard, Mr Blair, Mr Putin, Hu Jintao, Junichiro Koizumi, the Leaders of Europe, Africa, Asian, South America, where are you Ladies and Gentlemen where are your voices and public stands of discontent? How come we see the leaders of the nations of Islam expressing their outrage when something insults them, ISN'T ABOUT TIME the rest of the leaders of the world EXPRESSED condemnation at the acts of Barbarism being carried out on us 'infidels'.

No wonder islam is where it is today when you have the Lack of Leadership from the rest of the world to unspeakable atrocities which are nothing more than acts of Genicide towards 'infidels'.

It is absolutely amazing that in Pakistan and in Palistine and other islamic nations that we witness uncontrolled or state controlled riots and demonstrations with placards of threats of violence to westerners and the Western Donor Nations from whom they willing except funds to pay for the welfare of their own people.

IF ISLAM IS SO OFFENDED WHY DO THEY ACCEPT THESE FINANCIAL DONATIONS. IF THESE LEADERS WERE SO OFFENDED THEY SHOULD SAY 'NO WE CANNOT ACCEPT YOUR MONEY', would the THERE PROPHET ENDORSE THE FUNDS THEY RECEIVE FROM THE WEST WHEN HIS NAME IMAGE IS BEING DISPLAYED', I think not. The West has its place in the eyes of islam, we take your money, we kill you men, women and children, we blow up your infrastructure, we damage your economy, we behead your aid workers and news reporters, we defame your Lord Jesus, and way of life for you are so stupid.

Isn't it time that we all sat back and read these journals of thoughs by contributors and ponder, where is the leadership to express our concerns? Diplomacy is a word which Islam does not comprehend, isn't it about time that the leadership of this planet said 'ATTENTION ISLAM GET YOUR PEOPLE UNDER CONTROL BEFORE WE LOOSE CONTROL OF OUR PEOPLE'.

ATTENTION ISLAM, We in the West have not forgotton 'Bali, 9/11, Madrid, 7/7', beware our patience is wearing thin.

REMEMBER ISLAM

'you have started it, you are nurturing it and don't blame the muslims for their actions'

IT SHOULD BE

'ISLAM, you stared it, you are nuruting it and don't blame the 'Free World' for their actions when they come for you, because ISLAM you may not be around afterwards'.

'ISLAM YOU WILL PUSH US JUST ONE STEP TO FAR ONE DAY' and men of islam, I have been around 72 virgins in a good catholic school and let me tell you one thing, 72 + virgins is not a slice of heaven to be around, believe it.

Posted by: ladyKafira [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 5, 2006 1:18 AM

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