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"Islam will dominate," eh? Live, from New York, it's Islamic jihad: the picture above comes from the United American Committee, some members of which encountered these charmers at the site of the 9/11 jihad terror attack in New York City during the UAC Rally Against Islamo-Fascism on February 1. Note the black flag of Islam, the battle-flag of jihad, flying over the White House on the placard at left.
I trust the appropriate authorities have taken note.
Posted by Robert at February 7, 2006 12:29 PM
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The belligerence on display is mind-boggling!
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at February 7, 2006 12:40 PM
Given the known facts surrounding 9/11, there should already be an ordinance against this type of exhibition anywhere near where those innocent people were murdered.
The individuals in the photo have no conscience or sense of decency that is recognizable as such by Western standards. Islam will dominate indeed! But only the history of darkness. And while I fear a dark night coming, with great strife and pain, I also firmly trust in a new dawn, finally cleaned of the violence, morbidly ridiculuous excuses and lies these two fellows and their kind espouse.
You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
Posted by: Chatillon at February 7, 2006 12:48 PM
What a sick feeling I get when I see this! Right there at the site of there beloved terrorist attacks!
I too hope they will check in on these creeps!
Posted by: Bilas at February 7, 2006 12:50 PM
...And is freedom of expression less offensive than the silly cartoons of Mohammed, the Moslem prophet?
This demonstration raises a stench strong enough to knock a buzzard off an outhouse.
Posted by: Chatillon at February 7, 2006 12:55 PM
Given that for the last 250 years no Muslim country, army or power has ever won an aggressive war against any Western power; given that, with exceptions that can be counted on the fingers of one hand, they lost even when they were fighting on their own home ground (the exceptions being Afghanis against British and Russians, Algerians against French, and Turks against Greeks in 1923), the repeated calls to war against the West are ludicrous. If there is one thing that has been shown from the Russian war of the 1770s to the invasion of Iraq in 2003, it is that Muslims cannot win a war against a Western army, except in rare and unusual circumstances. These people are vicious, brutish and ignorant, and no doubt they are dangerous enough, but they are another thing: they are a fucking joke.
Posted by: Paolo at February 7, 2006 12:55 PM
Infuriating.
Posted by: Foehammer at February 7, 2006 12:59 PM
Send them back from where they came. If islam is going to rules, then rule back in the middle east. Not in my life time, will islam rule me or the west. There is a war of faith coming. Wether we like it or not. Stand up and be counted against the fanatics of islam.
Perhaps is is time for another crusade into the east.
at February 7, 2006 1:04 PM
The guy on the right needs a good . . . well, shave for a start.
Posted by: FallingProphet at February 7, 2006 1:05 PM
Too bad these vermin weren't at that spot on 9/11/2001.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 7, 2006 1:06 PM
"I trust the appropriate authorities have taken note"
The only thing that our authorities have paid attention to is that no one violates these guys civil rights. They can threaten the downfall of the U.S., or even call for jihad, they can even be guilty of espionage, but nothing will happen.
For the rest of us Americans just make sure that you don't violate these guys civil rights, i.e. no cartoons, and don't point out that they are making threats against America because their reply will be "freedom of speech". Of course the cartoons are freedom of speech but us non-muslims are not allowed freedom of speech only muslims are.
The media and hollywood is paying attention to the muslim reaction. They are learning "don't affend muslims", which will then be translated into "don't report about muslims". Which is censorship out of fear for loss of life. If our goverment/s don't repond to this/these issues with force, then we are losing ground and they are gaining.
On a side note it is time to have Presidant Bush do something he promised Israel during both election campaigns.....move the capital of Israel to Jerusalem.
Just a little pissy today, but tired of hearing everyone apologize to our enemy and those that would have our heads.
"The only thing that humans learn through out history is that humans do not learn anything through out history".
Posted by: alaskan1000 at February 7, 2006 1:07 PM
artboy12 writes:
"Send them back from where they came. "
Sometimes the simple solutions are best. However,
I'd go a step further. Send them away from here,
regardless of where they came from.
They can be born and raised in Dearborn, MI, and
I don't care. Muslims, leave!
at February 7, 2006 1:08 PM
The one in the picture with the white hat on....what's his sign post made of? Is that a giant empty toilet paper roll?
From what I've heard, if it is an empty toilet paper roll, that would be surprising, amazing honestly.
Oh, and the picture of the White House with the Jihadi flag on top.....If they ever did manage to take anything over, once they took possession, we can be sure that the White House would no longer come close to looking that good. It'd be graffiti ridden and ripped apart within hours, like everything else they touch.
Ever notice how few people are around when they stage their little demonstrations?
Posted by: DCWatson at February 7, 2006 1:14 PM
well, thats freedom of speech for you.
in a free society we have to put up with stuff like that, whether we like it or not.
we just have to trust that the U.S. security services are keepng a close eye on them.
Posted by: archduke at February 7, 2006 1:14 PM
These people are vicious, brutish and ignorant, and no doubt they are dangerous enough, but they are another thing: they are a ... joke.
Yes, but a joke that breeds like flies. Absent an en masse expulsion from the continent on a scale never before contemplated, Europe is already lost to us.
When will the government publish statistics for breed-rate differentials here in the USA?
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at February 7, 2006 1:15 PM
Captain Hook Sheik Donttake Abaath was today convicted of inciting hatred and mass murder and sentenced to 7 years in prison. 7 YEARS!?!??!? Found guilty of 13 of 15 charges he gets 7 years on one charge with the other charges running concurrently.
Horay he is guilty but I mean for goodness sake!!! He could have gotten life instead he gets 7 years in prison in the UK. That is like staying in a one star hotel.
Anyway small victories are still victories.
Shunkleash(PBUH)
Posted by: Shunkleash at February 7, 2006 1:16 PM
Do you think Nazis would have been permitted to demonstrate and carry signs that called for the overthrow of our form of government during WWII?
These creeps need to go!
at February 7, 2006 1:21 PM
Talk about offensive pictures:
The above picture is truly offensive because the protesters are protesting not far from the site Americans died.
Do they have any SHAME?!!!!
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at February 7, 2006 1:24 PM
If I owned a pot-bellied pig I'd find out the date of the next protest and take piggy for a stroll...
Posted by: habnab at February 7, 2006 1:32 PM
Do they have any SHAME?!!!!
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106
Sadly, no they do not. They justify their socially unacceptable behavior through their caravan raiding, throat slasher false prophet, Muhammad, who they appear to be trying to emulate with all of their destructive, elementary school, spoiled little punk level temper tantrums, and believe that Allah wills them to act like such fools.
at February 7, 2006 1:33 PM
Sadly
Sadly, I think that the only solution now is to restrict Muslim immigration. Even if the majority of Muslims are good and tolerant, the small radical minority is far too dangerous.
Posted by: barry at February 7, 2006 1:34 PM
FOR THOSE FRANK LOVERS OUT THERE!!!
Posted by: Catherine at February 7, 2006 1:50 PM
Unbelievable! The nerve! It makes me want to lash out enormously.
Posted by: Dutchwoman at February 7, 2006 2:10 PM
This should be passed along to CAIR so they can keep track of offenses by muslims agains the USA and her people.
Posted by: pat at February 7, 2006 2:15 PM
So you these pictures offensive huh.
I am sad to see these but they know that you know that you find it offensive...but they are also exercising their right to freedom of speech and to show how hurt they are.
Ofcourse their handiwork doesn't have the cutting edge fo the cartoons but ...like they are no good at drawing. And as long as they don't break Amrikan written law, there is little for them to worry about....you get the idea.
Moral laws don't count...only Allah's law does.
Could Amrikans do this in Saudi? Well you don't need me to answer that.
So you these pictures offensive huh.
Wait another few years, 2 will be 200...many of them will be converts (Wuslims) too. It is the will of Allah...
Muslims have their Achillies heel....but they will find yours too.
Posted by: Naseem at February 7, 2006 2:15 PM
If I owned a pot-bellied pig I'd find out the date of the next protest and take piggy for a stroll...
Me, I wear a suicide bomber-style vest that wraps my thorax in a matrix of quart bags clearly labeled "Swine Blood." Dangling from each bag is a sterile IV coupler.
The Moslems clear a path when I saunter into one of their angry demonstrations, scowling at me with Sepoy-like revulsion.
Ever seen a few gallons of pig's blood jiggle? Ever smelled a few gallons of pig's blood on the nipple? These sights and smells are tremendously offensive to Moslems, and an insult to that old rapist Mohammed.
I am that insult.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at February 7, 2006 2:17 PM
Moral laws don't count...only Allah's law does.
At last you, a devout Moslem, have openly admitted that Allah's law is immoral.
Here, Naseem, have a sip. It'll clear up joe mind. As a Moslem, you'll still be seeing red, but now it'll be a hue that I like to call Porcine Passion. Go ahead, try some.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at February 7, 2006 2:24 PM
If Allah existed then perhaps his law would apply to me but there is no reason for me to think that he does. If i wrote a book and told you that it was true because God told me so, you would say i was crazy. Why is a book from 1400 (or any other time) any different? Does Hindu law apply to muslims? Of course not because muslims do not accept hinduism. Islamic law does not apply to me or any non-muslim. Muslims should believe what they want and not push it on others but herein lies the problem. Islam is incapable of tolerance of other beliefs therefore it is an enemy of all that i hold dear.
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 2:25 PM
The guy on the right needs a good . . . well, shave for a start. - FallingProphet
Better that he keep his beard, it makes a great handle :)
Thank God for the 2nd Amendment!
Posted by: Infidel at February 7, 2006 2:27 PM
If muslims don't like the West then they SHOULD leave. It really irritates me that they choose to live here and yet show a deep rooted hatred for everything Western.
So I am sitting in Public transit and reading when a group of Hijab wearing freaks along with a couple of Jihad looking freaks choose to sit where I am, and all I thought is "Great, now I probably look like I am a part fo their group."
Sometimes its not easy being brown. And especially in this climate, I only hope people recognise an OM symbol when they see one, too bad the swastika got a bad rap or else I would have worn that as my Hindu symbol, and not wearing it shows sensitivity towards those who experienced atrocities committed against them through this symbol, unlike these freaks who show no remorse but instead celebrate 9/11.
Honestly, send them all back so that Hindus and Buddhists don't become victims of the actions committed by these psychos. After they go back, lets see if they enjoy all the benefits of Western civilisation including good coffee, toilets and showers with running hot water, not that they ever use the shower.
-Cheers
Ayo Gorkhali! Here come the Gurkhas.
Posted by: Gorkhali at February 7, 2006 2:28 PM
If these so called people get so infuriated with cartoons and burn down embassies it's time to retalliate with mosques. Eye for an eye. Enough is enough. Whose kettle is blackest?
Posted by: Siciliano at February 7, 2006 2:31 PM
Naseem said
I am sad to see these but they know that you know that you find it offensive...but they are also exercising their right to freedom of speech and to show how hurt they are.
If this was a tit-for-tat response to the cartoons, then I am sad to say it but you will soon see artists and citizens doing street performance art for the cameras, things like dumping quarts of pig's blood on the qur'an, defecating on a drawing of Muhammad's face, using a qur'an as toilet paper, etc. As you say, it is all protected free speech, here in the Land of The Free. The original cartoons were very mild. I believe the non-Muslims can be much more provocative than the Muslims. And I think we know who is more easily offended and easily riled up. We'll soon have you all literally frothing at the mouth, well, more than usual. Your emotions make you much more susceptible to being manipulated, either by your religious and political leaders, or more interestingly, by us non-Muslims.
Posted by: special_guest at February 7, 2006 2:35 PM
To folks at the UAC, PLEASE send this photo to the N.Y Post, the Sun, and the Washington Times. Encourage them to print it, large and in full color, on Page 1.
The education of the infidel proceeds.........
Posted by: Infidel33 at February 7, 2006 2:38 PM
Regarding CAIR:
These guys are encouraging this sort of behavior. You might as well ask the KKK to keep track of offenses against African-Americans
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 2:49 PM
"I trust the appropriate authorities have taken note."
Yes, the offers of tenure are probably being prepared right now.
Posted by: Doctor Phibes at February 7, 2006 2:49 PM
From Naseem
"2 will be 200..." Target rich environment.
Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at February 7, 2006 3:02 PM
They are exercising "their" free speech, standing in "my" country fought by "my" ancestors.
Ironic. But you know, you never see their women exercising their free speech. Apparently they are still treated as if they were back home.
at February 7, 2006 3:06 PM
Imagine some nonmuslim protesters holding up Mohammed cartoons in a Muslim country.
What would happen to them?
Rather then finding this offensive, I take heart at the fact they are open about their intentions.
Free speech has it's advantages, one being that you can "know your enemy".
I'll make sure my Senators and Reps get a copy of this picture. Along with other information on Muslim immigrants in Europe, such as the prison figures from France, and the remarks from CAIR.
To all Muslims who are acting like idiots, I must say thank you. You've may my job convincing others of the dangers of Islam much easier. Please continue, and may I suggest another such protest at Ground Zero? Maybe with someone dressed like a suicide bomber?
Posted by: treehugger at February 7, 2006 3:07 PM
Special Guest:
"Your emotions make you much more susceptible to being manipulated, either by your religious and political leaders, or more interestingly, by us non-Muslims."
A great point -- and one which we must begin to exploit to our complete advantage... Get these barbaric heathens all frothed up and rampaging all over the place -- they mainly hurt themselves in the process... Sure, some hapless and innocent non-Muslim bystanders may get hurt, but this is the reality of their lives anyway under the oppression of Muslim rule -- We apparently score far against the Muslims by being able to depict their insane torchings, tramplings, and even murder over cartoons than we do by watching them behead innocents, murder 3,000 on 9/11 or many thousands more in countless acts of hatred filled murder and torture... Go figure!
Sometimes mass culture makes me wonder --- Are we so habituated to the childish rageful outbursts of Muslims that we aren't even appalled any more at their terrorism?
It's like the recent story about the drug smugglers who implanted heroin in the bellies of a bunch of puppies -- they've been doing similar things to babies, pregnant women and even cadavers for years -- suddenly we see the news blitz about the puppies --
Pregnant women with heroin and cocaine up their derrieres, babies with condoms filled with poison in their tummies, cadavers stuffed with kilos of white powder -- no big deal -- but puppies with surgically implanted bags of heroin!?! Now that's SICK!
Just so -- murdering 3,000 on 9/11 for the sake of Muhammad -- Bali, Beslan, Bali again, Madrid, Moscow, London -- no big deal -- but rioting and killing over some cartoons?
Now THAT'S REALLY SICK!
Let's fan the flames of their hatred -- the Muslims already hate us for all of their failures... Let's call their bluff in this big lie -- they are more identifiable as "extremists" when they're all riled up -- more of our fellow countrymen will observe their actions and be inured to our actions if we begin incarcerating them, expelling them, and even killing them in greater numbers -- and all in all, I think maintaining them in a state of rageful frenzy weakens them and zaps their strength -- their economies will sink even lower into the nightmare they've created -- investment dollars will flee their domains in droves -- Westerners will fear travelling to their barbarous lands and speniding dollars on purchases and tourism, more Westerners will agitate for deporting them, and certainly stopping the influx of Muslim immigrants --
All in all, I'd say working them up into lathers about everything is a win win for us, and a BIG lose lose for the Muslims... It's the bed they've been creating for themselves for over a millenium... A bed of hatred, jealousy, vengeance, rage, murder, disease, ignorance, backwardness, and vile filth.... Now let's force them to lie in that bed -- fists clenched, lips frothed with spittle and impotent rage -- veins bulging -- hearts stopping -- aneurysms popping -- things falling apart -- spiraling down down DOWN into the hellish spiral of blackness which their religion has caused. They deserve everything that's coming to them!
Posted by: jsla at February 7, 2006 3:08 PM
So Few Progressive Muslims
One of the very few progressive Muslim voices is that of Irshad Manji:
http://terrorismwatch.blogspot.com/
Posted by: barry at February 7, 2006 3:09 PM
Freewoman says
"you never see their women exercising their free speech."
They're home braiding their back hair (Hat tip to special_guest)
/free speech mode off
Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at February 7, 2006 3:10 PM
The chubby Muslim holding the flag on the right strikes a bearing resemblence to Santa, only he's looks younger, uglier, and a whale of a load dumber.
What does his flag say? Mo..Mo..Mo...Merry slashes?
Posted by: DCWatson at February 7, 2006 3:12 PM
Ok so comments about "lots of targets" or calling people "faggots" helps nothing. Play Sega for a little bit to get your anger out or something.
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 3:15 PM
It's striking, the difference in effect when I see these pictures, as opposed to the pictures of the London protests.
The intention and the hatred may be the same, but the sight of these straggling lunatics in NYC is almost comical - an islam-dominated America is so far into the realms of fantasy it's radically unbelievable.
The protests in London seem more chilling, not merely because I'm a Londoner, but because we seem to have so many muslims here now that our government are scared of them. Even if a jihadist had chopped off one of my hands, the sad truth is I'd still have fingers enough to count the number of hate preachers prosecuted or expelled from this country.
Anyone want to offer me a job in the USA? Let's get working on the visa, I've had enough of Eurabia.I'll turn the lights off as I leave.
Posted by: religion_of_peas at February 7, 2006 3:15 PM
Fatnum
AWWWWW, can't I just firebomb an embassy instead? Oops ... wrong culture.
Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at February 7, 2006 3:20 PM
An offensive rally? Certainly. But what do you expect? They're an offensive people.
I'm sick to damn death of prancing around the muslims, trying not to bruise their sensitivities. Time to round 'em up & ship 'em back from whence they came.
Perhaps we could employ some Egyptian cruise ships for the task?
Posted by: finnschick at February 7, 2006 3:20 PM
Blasphemy!!! Plain and simple! BLASPHEMY!!!!
Posted by: Ironman Hondo at February 7, 2006 3:25 PM
religion_of_peas says "Anyone want to offer me a job in the USA? Let's get working on the visa, I've had enough of Eurabia".
So my sayings (on a different thread) have come to roost. NO SPIRIT right....right!!
Your fathers & forefathers fought to keep that country free....where R U ?
It's pointless goint to Amrika....you will be in the same situation 10-20 years from now. Stick around peas...my muslim friends want to say "Assama-laikum".
Posted by: Naseem at February 7, 2006 3:27 PM
Which blasphemy are your referring to? Lots of different things are probably being blasphemed around here.
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 3:28 PM
Check out this video by Deeyah who refuses to be subdued by Islam:
http://www.brainwashproductions.com/
Posted by: barry at February 7, 2006 3:29 PM
Maybe these two Muslims should have invited a few Muslim Engineers from New Jersey to keep them company. New Jersey are infested with these MOJO types. Hope more come out for the cameras.
Posted by: rumoret at February 7, 2006 3:36 PM
Just because some Sicilians are in the mafia doesn't mean that we should deport all Sicilians. The percentage of Western Muslims who adhere to Wahabbiism or other violent ideologies is small but growing. Rather than deporting these innocent muslims we need to focus on those who spread hate and incite violence and lock them up or deport THEM. We need the Islamic community's help in these efforts. I know plenty of muslims who are proud americans and opposed to violence just like everyone else. Some christians have killed abortion doctors but that doesn't mean that christians in general support such acts. The same is hopefully true for muslims. Sweeping rascist statements against muslims only serve to push moderates further towards extremism.
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 3:47 PM
That being said, i do support restriction of immigration from muslim nations to the west
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 3:50 PM
Ignorance and arrogance all in one package. How efficient of them. I do wish though people would stop referring to islam as a religion when it’s nothing but a death cult. So nice of them to rip the blinders off so many people as to what
they are really like. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that muslim and moron both start with m.
at February 7, 2006 3:58 PM
fatnun -- "We need the Islamic community's help in these efforts."
good luck.
maybe you can't round up EVERY muslim, but it wouldn't hurt to try! it'll, at the very least, force them to show their "moderate" side, and that they stand with the civilized, democratic countries that they inhabit.
Posted by: thankGod4America at February 7, 2006 4:02 PM
Sweeping rascist statements against muslims only serve to push moderates further towards extremism.
If someone is really moderate how can so-called rascist statements push them to extremism? Many groups and individuals have experienced racism but they don't fly planes into buildings or engage in suicide attacks.
Posted by: Roxane at February 7, 2006 4:03 PM
Ah Naseem(s)! Salami: I like'em.
Your posts, as ever, are notable for their peculiarity. You remind me of a little scarab, who proudly rolls their dinner around and expects the world to be jealous of what they possess. Well, the pride is all yours and you're welcome to it and your dinner both.
You're a mother you say. You know what a baby is, yes? Are you aware that these two "soldiers of Allah" celebrate or at least attempt to justify the murder of innocents, including babies? Of course you are, but you seem to qualify your outrage. Apparently this is somehow equivalent to the acts of the cartoonists who dared to criticize the Moslem named Mohammed, with the turmoil that followed. Somehow I just knew you would get your priorities straight.
Here's the Achilles' heel for both sides in this contest: Free speech. For the West, we must guard this precious right, even if creatures such as those seen in the picture would make the disgusting equation that mass murder is fair play as turnabout for some Mohammed cartoons. In spite of views that are repugnant to the core, the right to speak freely must be protected. And if one speaks freely but falsely, there are the courts to handle such matters.
For the Moslem world, Free Speech is a monstrously large Achilles, which causes the Ummah to tremble to its very foundations. Free Speech means the ability of individuals to confess their faith openly throughout the entire world, church bells in Mecca if you like. Itss corollary is that individuals have the right to embrace the religion of their choice without fear of retribution. It further means the right to express agreement or not with another's point of view and to openly engage in such discussions. It means everything that the Moslem world is not. It means that eventually, the light of reason, charity and humanity would have a chance to enter into the Moslem world.
I prefer good manners to bad, but until there's an even playing field all the way around, more cartoons please.
Posted by: Chatillon at February 7, 2006 4:04 PM
Roxane,
I'm just saying that if i was repeatedly called dirty white trash, i would be far more likely to get violent than if i hadn't been. Same goes for anyone else
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 4:14 PM
fatnun writes:
"ust because some Sicilians are in the mafia doesn't mean that we should deport all Sicilians. The percentage of Western Muslims who adhere to Wahabbiism or other violent ideologies is small but growing."
Really, you know this for a fact? I think you're wrong, and that the number who support such views
are the majority. I base that on polls. I admit,
that may be inaccurate. What do you base your estimate on?
" Rather than deporting these innocent muslims we need to focus on those who spread hate and incite violence and lock them up or deport THEM. We need the Islamic community's help in these efforts. I know plenty of muslims who are proud americans and opposed to violence just like everyone else."
I don't believe you. If there were plenty of such
muslims, then they'd have reported all of the terrorists and troublemakers. I think you're
either lying, or being lied to.
"Some christians have killed abortion doctors but that doesn't mean that christians in general support such acts."
How many? Let's do the numbers game. Some other
fellow named Julian came in here with some
Christian aggression web site. Nasty stuff, but
really small fry. It's like complaining about the
Jewish defense league, or Sikh extremists. Just
not something to keep one awake at night.
" The same is hopefully true for muslims. Sweeping rascist statements against muslims only serve to push moderates further towards extremism."
How about stupid statements from blowhards
accusing those who dislike Islam and hence Muslims
of being racists? Are you on the far left of the Bell Curve or something? Muslims are not a race.
at February 7, 2006 4:18 PM
I'm just saying that if i was repeatedly called dirty white trash, i would be far more likely to get violent than if i hadn't been. Same goes for anyone else
Posted by: fatnun
Well, what are they then?
at February 7, 2006 4:20 PM
"For the Moslem world, Free Speech is a monstrously large Achilles, which causes the Ummah to tremble to its very foundations."
-Posted above
Worse yet, free speech terrifies the Moslems as it opens the door to the greatest threats of all, conversion to other religions (apostasy) or can lead to atheism (apostacy2)! UUUllah forbid! Those are the real fears here.
Posted by: Kafir Nonbeliever at February 7, 2006 4:24 PM
Poor Naseem - if he really thinks I would leave Britain because of people like him and his ignorant ilk, he is as mistaken about that as he is about everything else. I joke about leaving Eurabia because I prefer to joke than to insult, and I refuse to let his entirely misplaced self-confidence push me towards hatred or anger. When I read his many spelling and grammatical errors, and hear the vacuous emptiness of his rhetoric, I am almost reminded of Churchill's comment about Attlee - 'He is a modest man, but then he has so much to be modest about'.
In short, I'm loath to get into a battle of wits with a man who has none, so I'll just say this to Naseem: you're right, we've fought to keep this country free for hundreds of years, and we've overcome enemies far more intelligent and less cowardly than allah's holy warriors. You will never win, you will never dominate England, and you will never terrorise us. The reason is that we are braver than you, we are more free than you, and our liberty is more moral and more divine than your so-called religion.
People who have to fight to preserve their freedom always fight more bravely than those who are trying to enslave or destroy others, which is why the combined forces of the Arab nations could not (and never will) defeat Israel, and which is why islam will get no further than any other totalitarian system ever has. Your ideology too will be broken under the human urge for freedom, and history will look back at your demented, murdering, butchering, slave-trading, oath-breaking, paedophile founder and wonder that so many people allowed themselves to be fooled by such garbage.
PS - I'm buying Danish. If, as Hamlet says, there is something rotten in the state of Denmark, my guess would be that it originates in the Koran.
Posted by: religion_of_peas at February 7, 2006 4:29 PM
Naseem, your constant but ingorant threats of islam dominating and taking over the west are getting kind of old. Give us some new material, will ya?
Do something productive with yourself... shave your nether-region for Mo, and wash your abaya. Or better yet, just FOAD.
Posted by: Just_Linda at February 7, 2006 4:32 PM
American,
I speak of those muslims i know and work with. Perhaps they are all spies? Maybe i am being too idealistic and maybe the only way to solve this issue is by sustained genocide but i don't think we are there yet.
"I don't believe you. If there were plenty of such
muslims, then they'd have reported all of the terrorists and troublemakers. I think you're
either lying, or being lied to."
Come on, no group can be expected to know of all criminal/terrorist activity in their midst and turn them in. If this were the case then white people would have turned in T. McVeigh before he sprung his suprise.
You are right. Islam is not a race and racism was the wrong word to use. I'm not accusing anyone of being racists. I'm just saying posts basicaly saying "lets kill em" etc... are going to make people dismiss this site and it's message as extremist ranting. THis is self-defeating.
While you did insult me, i appreciate your bell curve reference.
Hey i don't like islam either!
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 4:36 PM
Naseem, Islam does not tolerate criticism. Isn't this just about the number one sign that Islam is a real deception? Have you ever met someone in person that doesn't allow criticism? Do you know how wrong that is?
Posted by: Report at February 7, 2006 4:43 PM
I'm with fatnun on this one - why give those who want to dismiss and discredit sites like this the exact ammunition they are looking for? It's So self-defeating. There comes a point where, whatever one's personal views and preferences, we have to recognise a higher duty - the duty not only to represent the case against islam in as moral and humane a way as we can, but also to be SEEN to do so.
This is nothing if not a propaganda battle. islam has so many apologists in our media, and if comments on sites like this make them sound more humane or more moderate than us, then we face an even harder task than we already thought we did.
Let's leave the death threats to islam! Let's get some clear blue water between us and them in moral terms, and let's not become as bad as the thing we oppose.
Posted by: religion_of_peas at February 7, 2006 4:44 PM
Is Naseem a female? I missed that. Oh well - makes no difference to anything I said; after all, unlike islam, I think women too can partake in rational discussions, and that the testimony of a woman is worth as much as the testimony of a man.
Unless, of course, it's a bunch of brainless crap.
Posted by: religion_of_peas at February 7, 2006 4:52 PM
The guy on the right needs a good . . . well, shave for a start.
Posted by: FallingProphet.
But what about the pediculi...and the beard lice, and those little crab like creatures, where will they play, what will they eat?
The many Naseems are at it again...more disconnected stuff about world domination.
Fatnun, is either a muslim or knows little about Islam.
Those cretins in the photo should be arrested for hate crimes...
Posted by: duh_swami at February 7, 2006 4:52 PM
Thanks Peas,
SOme might see this as a position of weakness but it's not at all. The fact is that most of the world isn't even willing to admit that islamofascism is a threat. We are still in the phase of trying to increase awareness. If this site is full of name-calling and violent language then it will be dismissed by those who are not yet aware and we will have taken a step backwards.
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 4:53 PM
duh_swami
dude, i'm not a muslim and i'm not ignorant.
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 4:55 PM
Why are all radical Muslims obese?
Posted by: St Dunstan at February 7, 2006 4:59 PM
Remember, these American muslims are the "MODERATES".
Posted by: Mussolini at February 7, 2006 5:03 PM
Rights? What the HELL?
Whatever happened to the ALIEN and SEDITION ACTS?
Deport their asses!
"Oh, booooo hoooo it'll hurt the constitution.... booo hooo..."
As if the constitution was never suspended during time of war... idiots forget every single war we've had has seen a suspended constitution. In fact, "rights" were violated at BAYONET point in New York during the civil war. Did it shred the constitution so bad that it couldn't be reinstated after?
We have elected citizens and a citizen army that have a vested interest in Aermica being free. We suspend the con when we need to, prosecute a war, then reinstate the con afterwards. THAT'S HOW IT'S ALWAYS WORKED.
And we still have a constitution.
Posted by: Mussolini at February 7, 2006 5:09 PM
great "boo Fing hoo" link!
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 5:13 PM
Time to clean some serious house and send these medieval fascist packing to Crapistan or their Paradise.
Posted by: Dumbo at February 7, 2006 5:15 PM
Why are all radical Muslims obese?
Posted by: St Dunstan at Fe
Eatin too many of those delicious Danish!
Posted by: Just_Linda at February 7, 2006 5:19 PM
fatnum-
You say "I'm not a Muslim and I'm not ignorant".
But you are a liar.
Because one cannot be an "American Muslim", ("good" or not, "peaceful" or not) as you claim earlier. Because America is a secular republic, and all Muslims are sworn to bring about a theocratic Islamic global tyranny. Or, if they do not, they are apostates, in which case they are under the threat of death from their fellow true Muslims.
Any Muslim in a non-Muslim land is a de facto member of a Fifth Column slowly working to undermine the infidel land for the blessed future Islamic Republic it shall become. And it will then be a willing member of the dreamed-of-by-all-true-Muslims "Restored Caliphate". Where mullahs rule over every aspect of your life with Sharia Law's dogmas that are contemptuous of freedom of thought, belief and expression.
They proclaim it openly when they are honest, so don't deny it.
Why you would want such hate-filled people around you, in a freedom-loving secular republic, who are sworn to overthrown it, and replace it with a theocratic despotic terror state, is beyond me.
But try Saudi Arabia for a foretaste of what it might be like.
Then check back.
(These protestors appear to be advocating the violent overthrow of the government, which IS a crime. Why average passing New Yorkers don't counter-protest these vicious swine by throwing pig's blood on them, I don't understand. Maybe they just look at them as insane clowns. But their posse is growing, and it is time to start sending them off to Mecca for a 1350 year refresher course in "basic humanity". )
Posted by: profitsbeard at February 7, 2006 5:27 PM
And, to the poster who questioned Naseem's sexuality. Naseem is both a male and a female. Sometimes it is literate with signs of intelligence, moderation, and decency. Other times Naseem displays its sheer ignorance, lack of grammatical skills and makes obscene declarations that islam is the 'fastest growing religion on earth' and islam will dominate the world and that the kuffar will bow to islam. Naseem is a text-book "troll" if you ask me.
Posted by: Just_Linda at February 7, 2006 5:27 PM
It looks like yelling fire in a crowded theater to me. Somehow I doubt the Constitution allows for the violent overthrow of itself. On the other hand, follow these traitors home, tap their phones, infiltrate thie mosque, arrest, deport, lather, rinse, repete
Posted by: kevin at February 7, 2006 5:34 PM
Profitsbeard
Sigh... yes i am a liar. You have found me out. I will take my marbles and go home. How can i stand in the face of your all-knowingness?
I watched the towers burn from my window that day in Sept. We all went to donate blood but there was no one left to receive it. Believe me, i wanted to nuke everybody! How dare they! But... we have to do this right or we will lose.
I think of a friend of mine who immigrated from Pakistan. Despite growing up muslim, she is now an agnostic and about as muslim as JFK was catholic in practice. She had to go against her family's wishes and not marry the guy that had been arranged for her. It was very difficult for her but she is as American as you or i and has no desire for anything that islam has to offer. Should she be deported? I hope not because i won't have anyone to bum cigarettes off of.
Another friend of mine had a father who was a general in the Sha's Army. When the revolution happened he had to witness his father's execution at the hands of islamic fanatics. He is Iranian. His name sounds Iranian but he doesn't accept Islam or any of that crap despite growing up that way. Should he be deported?
I am not saying that Islam is not an enemy of everything i believe in but not every muslim is.
However, i don't think we should let any more into the country but the political will for that does not exist yet.
at February 7, 2006 5:43 PM
Chatallion....I did not try & justify them being on ground zero. I just gave my opinion as to why I think they are there...just like the other 30 or postees. You assume too much my dear.
Religion of peas says "You will never win, you will never dominate England, and you will never terrorise us. The reason is that we are braver than you, we are more free than you, and our liberty is more moral and more divine than your so-called religion".
Atta boy Peas....that's better....a bit of spirit....wasn't so hard was it...well done.
Just Linda says "Give us some new material, will ya?"
I can't come up with original stuff all the time ya know...look at the material tha brothers' in the picturse are carrying...it will have to do for now.
Posted by: Naseem at February 7, 2006 5:44 PM
The pedagogical value of a photograph like the one above should not be overlooked. Like those showing the savages in London last week, it is powerful enough to awaken sleeping Infidels, and it should be used exactly for that purpose. The muslims depicted are doing what their imams tell them to do, ostensibly to demonstrate the endurance and ultimate supremacy of islam even at the site of it's worst attack on our country. To Americans, it is unthinkable. The sanctity of this place, the 3000 lives that perished, these muslims are demonstrating that it means nothing to them. That's fine. Not illegal, but a case-study that should be widely disemminated in America. Putting these heathens on the cover of major newspapers, at least those not already owned by or dhimmified by the arabs, would be immensely useful.
Posted by: Infidel33 at February 7, 2006 5:44 PM
fatnum-
And to pre-empt the question:
"If a Muslim cannot really be an 'American', can a Christian or a Jew be one?"
The Christians say: "My kingdom is not of this world." So, yes, they can honestly be loyal, secular Americans.
And Jews only want one little piece of the Earth to be safe in. It is called Israel. And, as long as it exists, they feel comfortable being loyal immigrants in a country that respects their homeland's right to exist, and a country that will defend Israel should it become necessary, as an ally in the cause of human freedom.
So the answer in their case is "yes", also.
Only the proselytizing-with-a-sword, utterly intolerant Islamic Umma cannot be trusted with any oaths given to an infidel nation, because they are sword to strive for a Muslim world state, with everyone else either ghetto-ized "People of the Book", enslaved, or dead.
And then happy little ayatollah madmen will be in control of the future, the planet's course based on the rambling plagiarisms of a pedophile warlord from the Bronze Age.
Along with Jefferson (who sadly failed to live up to his own words) I oppose all forms of tyranny over the mind of man (and woman).
Islam is the latest and the greatest.
So I oppose it.
Read the Koran.
And weep.
Posted by: profitsbeard at February 7, 2006 5:46 PM
OK profitsbeard,
I like your most recent post much better than the previous one and would say that i agree with the point you are making.
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 5:48 PM
fatnum-
If your "friends" are apostates, they are not "Muslims" any longer, so you argument is built on unclarified wind.
And, by doing that, you lie to yourself, if no one else. And it make your "defense" of Muslims absurd. Why did you waste our time by forgetting to mention this somewhat crucial fact in the first place?
(And spare me the "I went to donate blood" stories. There's no way to check, so why should I buy it? It sounds like special pleading.)
Just speak clearly. If only to be straight with yourself.
I don't oppose apostates. I wish every Muslim would leave this cult.
And become former-Muslims.
Them, I have no problem with.
We need more.
About 1.2 billion, by the latest count. (If that can be trusted.)
Posted by: profitsbeard at February 7, 2006 5:55 PM
profitsbeard ..what about little me...you can trust me.
Posted by: Naseem at February 7, 2006 5:57 PM
No politician in America should be without this picture. Send it on to your congressman and senators. Hey Nasteems, Allah's law doesn't go around here, savvy?
Muhammad was a skitzo, and Allah was his alter ego.
Posted by: Asylum inmate at February 7, 2006 5:58 PM
Profits
believe what you want. But if we were to enact deportation, which muslims would go? Would my friends go because they are culturally muslims but unbelievers (like those jewish atheists you hear about)? What about their families who still are believers? I'm just saying that the idea of throwing out all muslims (while it would solve the problem for awhile) is neither practical nor just.
and dude, please stop calling me a liar.
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 6:01 PM
This may or may not help much but how about we begin to apply some unified pressure and start hollering at our commander in chief personally. Just sent this image and a truly pleasant "Open your eyes-please" comment.
I suggest the title for today be "MR. PRESIDENT: STOP CALLING ISLAM A RELIGION OF PEACE!!!"
Mailto:
comments@whitehouse.gov
vice_president@whitehouse.gov
I'm sure 80+ new emails today will be seen by someone at the White House - let's start showing some solidarity and jam up their inbox a bit more with the images of these street corner morons.
P.S. Naseem - don't bother. You and your imaginary friend "allah" are democratically out-numbered.
By the way, thanks for being such good stooge - keep it up. We all need to be reminded of how easily your mythology may be defeated.
Posted by: Quantum Infidel at February 7, 2006 6:03 PM
fatnun,
You still don't get it. Your apostate muslim friends, the woman from Pakistan, and the Iranian whose father was executed, are NOT muslim. We are not talking about Baptists, Catholics, Lutherans, atheists of arab or persian descent. We are talking about muslims of any color, any ethnicity, from anywhere. A real muslim rejects all secular law because only "Allah" can make law, not men. Their loyalty is to the Islamic world community, NOT to any particular country. I do believe you are right in keeping the level of rhetoric down. Let the Naseem's and the Muslims themselves do their own talking through all of the pandemonium seen on the news around the world. We need not say anything, let them inform the western world of their true feelings through their own actions. Their violent reaction to the cartoons have done more to inform the west of the true Islam than anything any western writer could have possibly done.
at February 7, 2006 6:04 PM
LGF is down again.
Posted by: Just_Linda at February 7, 2006 6:05 PM
Has someone forwarded the photo to the Dept. of Homeland Security???
Posted by: Angela at February 7, 2006 6:12 PM
"Google has put a warning on Derek's site. They did it because Muslims don't like his work. What does it tell you? It tells me:
Derek is our Denmark.
http://thestudyofrevenge.blogspot.com/
Posted by: sonofwalker "
..and how long before that same warning appears
on this site?
at February 7, 2006 6:12 PM
..after all Google placed that warning, "because some had complained"..weird
Posted by: hammerhead at February 7, 2006 6:13 PM
Caratacus
No, i see your point. My friends are not technically muslims but they were at one time. An outside observer might still see them as such because of their ancestry, family, etc... I'm just trying to get at the logistics of keeping muslims out/throwing muslims out of the country etc... The criteria are hard to establish. I am an agnostic (former Baptist). I don't consider myself christian yet many would simply because i come from a christian family etc... If they were throwing christians into the fire i might just get lumped in. Anyway, the hypothetical Deptartment of Deportation has their work cut out for them. Anyway, i appreciate this discussion.
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 6:15 PM
believe what you want. But if we were to enact deportation, which muslims would go? Would my friends go because they are culturally muslims but unbelievers (like those jewish atheists you hear about)? What about their families who still are believers? I'm just saying that the idea of throwing out all muslims (while it would solve the problem for awhile) is neither practical nor just.
and dude, please stop calling me a liar.
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 06:01 PM
Fatnun: Profit is correct; your friends are considered "infidels" or "apostates" because they are not practicing the 'islam', even though they might have been raised to do so, and even though they are arab.
Now, in a muslim land, they would suffer various punishments including death sentences, stoning, hanging, imprisonment until they return to the 'islam' and practice it rightly. You see Fatnun, it is THESE friends of yours that you are going to need to be awakened, so that they understand that once it comes down to the nitty gritty they can and will face increased scrutiny and shame. It is those who practice the 'islam' that make it hard for the arabs who shun the death cult.
And, it is BECAUSE these friends of yours and those like them do not come out and make themselves known, that we infidels, kuffars and sons of monkeys and pigs have a hard time deciphering who is good and who is bad. In WWII, the USA faced this dilemma with our Japanese population. All were interned. Why? Because we just "couldn't be sure anymore".
Please visit FaithFreedom.org for more information from those who left islam, and why they left the cult of death that we are all fighting today.
And, I don't think you are a liar; I think you are at the right place to learn more about the threat called islam and how it will affect your future and the future of your friends and loved ones in the West.
Posted by: Just_Linda at February 7, 2006 6:18 PM
does Google host Dereks site?
Posted by: hammerhead at February 7, 2006 6:20 PM
Linda,
thanks for the website link. I will check it out.
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 6:23 PM
fatnum-
Our posts crossed.
You need to "define your terms" as old Socrates (sentenced to death by a theocratic majority for "mocking the gods") put it.
If you don't say what you mean (specifically being clear about your "Muslim" friends, who are actually no longer Muslims, but apostates... and who are thereby ripe for the sacred Islamic threat of "death to all apostates", for one), what am I to think?
I reply to what you say. Not what you think you mean.
Islam in America is just cuckoos in our nest.
Why would I invite people into my house whose sworn goal was to steal my house? Even if they do it real slowly, and while they smile?
Until Muslims renounce major aspects of Islam, like the call to convert infidels, with the sword if necessary, and to take over the world for a global theocracy with no more freedom of thought allowed, I have to stand against them.
It is they who must change. And gain some civility and humilty. Their arrogance and humorlessness is stagnantly medieval.
It took the West a thousand years to drive out our own Cromwells and Popes killing anti-Popes.
I for one am not going back to the era of 'witches' and auto da fe's, even if they call them djinns and 'dhimmitude'.
Deportation, which I never advocated- since it isn't feasible, is also something that would have no chance of any popular support until after several American cities were nuked. (The last thing in the world we need.)
Let's hope that the subtle, slow influence of the Enlightment and Renaissance, and women like Hirsi Ali, can convert Muslims in contact with the West from their current deadly dogmatism and bring about a Reformation within Islam.
They're all victims of a paralyzed cult, to my mind, and I wish them freedom. And a complete spiritual rebirth.
All said, we probably agree. Let's leave it there.
Posted by: profitsbeard at February 7, 2006 6:30 PM
Profits,
I think we agree on the major issues here. Thanks for the discussion.
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 6:32 PM
Thanks Naseem, Perhaps i can convice them to check it out here.
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 6:34 PM
Absolute scum. That's what these two pests are. What gall to march at ground zero. Religion of Peace. Yea, right. Since arabic numbers, can you think of a single innovation these people have given the world . . . in music, dance, politics, civilization in general, science, math, sports, literature? A religion of hate and venom. That's it. No redeeming value at all, never has been and never will.
But, oh boy, they can be so easily offended can't they? Bush or Sharon as Hitler, the blood-sucking jew cartoon is OK. Holocaust denial . . . you go Iman, but aren't we touchy. I wish that some of the bretheren of the 911 cops and firefighters would get a run in with those scum.
I am outraged by those scum on this hallowed ground, with its blood, teeth, guts and smashed innocent Americans. I've never advocated violence, but if I saw those scum marching on ground zero, I'd personally kick their ass. Sorry for the outburst.
Posted by: biorabbi at February 7, 2006 6:35 PM
It seems to me, when posters like the filth stained execrable poster above uses terms such as "faggot" to refer to other posters at this splendid site, such vile posters should lose their posting privilege...
It reveals itself for the bigot, hate monger, and all round degenerate that we always knew it was...
Posted by: jsla at February 7, 2006 6:38 PM
OK jsla,
p
Point taken, Gorkhali I apologise unreservedly.
at February 7, 2006 6:41 PM
fatnun said
I'm just trying to get at the logistics of keeping muslims out/throwing muslims out of the country etc... The criteria are hard to establish... If they were throwing christians into the fire i might just get lumped in.
Yeah, it sounds so complicated to define who a Muslim is, we couldn't possibly enact immigration controls. Guess we'll just have to throw the border gates open.
But as you point out, the Muslims do not have the same difficulties you have in defining the infidels. They don't do the same sort of hand-wringing that you're doing. From their point of view, it's all very simple and clear.
One thing to ponder, I thought I read somewhere in Robert's bio that he comes from a family with a Muslim tradition. Wouldn't it be ironic if the director of JihadWatch was deported to some Islamic nation because of some of the draconian proposals that some here have suggested? Not good.
Posted by: special_guest at February 7, 2006 6:45 PM
naseem should go.
Posted by: hammerhead at February 7, 2006 6:47 PM
Wow, people are being a bit tough on fatnum IMO. It IS a reasonable point to make that really extreme language on this site could turn people off to the overall message. This point has been brought up numerous times here. I'm guilty myself of forgetting it at times and I personally don't mind being reminded periodically to watch my words.
But he (or she) is also raising an important point about how Muslims define themselves and what role that will play in the future should deportation become an issue at some point. Others are correct in pointing out that the kinds of people fatnum describes are not technically Muslims, anymore than fatnum is a Christian. But while nominal Christians in the west can get away with calling themselves Christians without ever seriously asking themselves whether they do or do not believe that Jesus was actually the son of God and answering that question for themselves once and for all (something which I assume every Christian in Muslim lands asks and answers for themselves quite seriously), there may come a time when Muslims in the west will have to seriously put the question to themselves whether they fully believe that the Koran is the actual word of God and Muhammad is his final messenger. At some point they may be forced to ask themselves this question.
My preference would be that they begin asking themselves this question NOW and if they cannot answer in the affirmative, then they should cease identifying themselves as Muslims. In other words, the true nominal Muslims (in the west at least) need to find the courage to cease calling themselves Muslims at all. They should do this for reasons of personal honesty to themselves first of all but secondly they should do it if they wish to fully dissociate themselves from the madness of what they must recognize to be the real Islam, and if they wish to put human civilization itself above their own petty, individual identity problems. In the long run, if they do so, it will actually reduce the chances that they will be swept up in massive deportations or whatever else ensues, at which point it may well be too late.
Posted by: Caroline at February 7, 2006 6:51 PM
There are only two stooges in this picture, Mo and Curly.. what happened to Shimp? these clowns protest too much, they are actually helping our cause, speaking at work people are realizing this so called "religion of Peace" is not really one after all! they have seen some of the cartoons, and seen all the hatred on the streets, and its just coming to them.. yeah this is not really a religion of peace... IT is Waking Up the Guy On The Street!!!
so lets those Mo and Curly's keep it up... they are telling the world what they truly are!!
at February 7, 2006 6:54 PM
Hey folks -
Here's a re-post to my last:
Include the picture above and email our leaders and senators. Make a habit of it every time JW posts images and let's begin to make our voices heard! Comments out in "cyberspace" are not always enough!
If they aren't listening we'll know soon enough but FERCHRISTAKES! Let us at least attempt to carry our comments beyond the contained shell of this site! Robert and Co. informs us but WE are also accountable to exercise our right to freedom of voice to state our opinions...or remain silent like they are in Islamic states.
Our leaders could very well be completely deaf and dumb to all of this.
"MR. PRESIDENT: STOP CALLING ISLAM A RELIGION OF PEACE!!!"
Mailto:
comments@whitehouse.gov
vice_president@whitehouse.gov
Who here is willing to give this a constant shot?
I already sent my email to both addresses and I'll do it again - EVERY SINGLE TIME! Carry the fight to our elected leaders for a change and let's try to be heard!
Posted by: Quantum Infidel at February 7, 2006 6:54 PM
Biorabbi,
A correction...
"Since arabic numbers, can you think of a single innovation these people have given the world "
Even that they plagiarised from the Hindus and passed off as their own. Number system was invented by the Hindus.
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Arabic_numerals
http://home.c2i.net/greaker/comenius/9899/indiannumerals/india.html
Posted by: lazysusan at February 7, 2006 6:59 PM
No, American muslims who do not break the law should not be deported. That don't mean we don't pay special attention to them.
The problem is imigration. This is the real issue, the ones here will eventually be "corrupted", as long as we don't take in too many at once. Under the circumstances, I think non-muslim(apostates, or others who are at risk) immigration should be the priority.
Then again, just why do we need new immigrants? We've got 7 million unemployed people already. Well, I know why, we need to drag us down, to equalize the world.
Posted by: kentim at February 7, 2006 7:00 PM
profitsbeard, you seem to veer wildly, and frequently, between rabid nuke-em-all xenophobia, and more rationally-expressed arguments, like your last post on this thread. Can I just say, as a neutral observer, that your more conciliatory tone looks rather better than your bullying one.
There are certain things I know: that islam is a totalitarian thought-policing system of arabic imperialism, seeking to control peoples' lives based on the quasi-theological excretions of a paedophile. That much we all agree on. However, I'm not going to be so hard-headed and closed-minded as to tell myself that I know better than others here all the answers to all the questions. I'm certainly not going to adopt that 'go away and learn more then come back and tell me I was right' tone of voice, because frankly, well, it's fucking nauseating, and it doesn't reflect well on the intellectual level of this site.
Can we who are on the same side sometimes disagree without becoming so hostile, without insulting one another, without calling each other liars? I thought one of the marks of democracy was that we respect the integrity and honesty of those with whom we disagree? Or did somebody change the rules of debate while I was asleep, to something like 'anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot and a liar'?
And as for naseem, it has nothing interesting to say, nothing even worth fighting against, or even reading. I suggest we pay naseem the amount of attention he/she/it deserves from now on, which is precisely none.
I'm off now to the Bagel shop on Brick Lane. Goodnight my fellow kafirs.
Posted by: religion_of_peas at February 7, 2006 7:14 PM
4 more Churches Burned in ALB?? That makes 9
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPOR THEM AMEN
PS
But it is not being talked about as a hate crime?
at February 7, 2006 7:16 PM
Caroline, you make good points. However, if any muslim wishes to leave the 'faith' they know that they will suffer immense humiliation, degradation, physical and emotional punishment and even face being shunned by their own families.
We need to offer amnesty from Apostacy in the West. Full and complete protection should be offered for all those wishing to leave this cult that will self implode in time, if it is not completely outlawed in the Western Hemisphere.
If there was a way to reach the millions of slaves of islam in the West with this message, then millions could be freed. But given the tribal nature and the secrecy and ultimate committment to islam that is required of its adherents (even those who were by a freak of nature born into it), it is a risky proposition.
It is up to them. Deportation is not an option. Internment is. And internment may unfortunately end up being our only humane option.
Posted by: Just_Linda at February 7, 2006 7:19 PM
fatnun writes:
"Come on, no group can be expected to know of all criminal/terrorist activity in their midst and turn them in. If this were the case then white people would have turned in T. McVeigh before he sprung his suprise."
Come on, that's apples and Derrida! White people don't (normally) associate with other whites in
white organizations. A Muslim is someone who practices the "religion" of Islam, goes to a
Mosque, and all that. Surely, you can see how bizarre the comparison with McVeigh is?
"You are right. Islam is not a race and racism was the wrong word to use. I'm not accusing anyone of being racists."
OK, but you did previously, and you can't seem to shake that race thing, as evidenced by the comment above.
" I'm just saying posts basicaly saying "lets kill em" etc... are going to make people dismiss this site and it's message as extremist ranting. THis is self-defeating."
I would suggest deportation, not mass murder. And
I mean deportation for practicing Muslims, not your friends who are no longer Muslims, but happened to be born in Muslim families. I'm a great fan of Ali Sina. You seem to be thinking
of all people born to Muslims as being Muslims.
No, it is an ideology, one that can and should
be rejected. The friends you describe are not even
Muslims!
Should we allow Nazis, or members of Communist organizations who wish to subvert the USA, into
the country? I'd say no. Islam is like Nazism, or
Communism, disguised as a religion. No, we don't
have to embrace suicide.
The Germans don't allow the Scientologists to
practice their religion freely in Germany. I
find them loony, but far less threatening than
Muslims. We ought to be using the German approach
(to Scientologists, not Jews!) on Muslims.
"While you did insult me, i appreciate your bell curve reference."
Since you've retracted your accusation of racism,
I'll retract anything I wrote that was insulting.
OK?
"Hey i don't like islam either!"
It isn't easy to love.
Posted by: American at February 7, 2006 7:27 PM
The cheerleading pom-pom girls of Al-Qaeda in that picture are more helpful to us than to their own cause. They expose what the public needs to see. If they make people angry, good. We need to be angry, we should be angry, and we shouldn't have any illusions that the terrorist threat has gone from America.
Posted by: Archimedes at February 7, 2006 7:29 PM
Naseem's language and comfort in expressing it is an indication to me that this person is living in the West, most likely Great Britain.
Just an observation.
Posted by: Aiken Bryce at February 7, 2006 7:38 PM
I'd like to see them try that Shi'ite in Texas!
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at February 7, 2006 7:41 PM
Kentim, only if they break the law? Oh that sounds so KUMBAYA... all noble and somber - you trying for a tv news anchor position?
Impressed with the sound of your own nobility?
DEPORTATION IS HUMANE. It is also legal. Read the Alien and Sedition Acts. CAIR's leaders have stated over and over and over that they aim to get rid of your sacred constitution and replace it with sharia law.
How many damn times do they need to say it?
That's what the Alien and Sedition Acts covered - the mere threat. Islam is a political system in and of itself, merging faith with rule and law with sharia. There is no co-existence. Every single "moderate" muslim is working to destroy your sacred and holy constitution.
Anyone Islamic needs to be deported. They've already broken the law according to the Alien and Sedition Acts.
Islamic does not include former muslims, Persians, Lebanese Maronites, Coptics, Zoroastrians-for-crap's-sake... it means followers of Muhammed and Allah.
The adequate test would be swearing allegiance to the US with a hand over a bacon-draped Koran.
Continuing this fantasy of "moderate" and "peaceful" Islam only brings more murder and violence. The only people apologizing for Islam are idiot infidels!
DOESN'T THAT SAY SOMETHING ABOUT ISLAM!?
Posted by: Mussolini at February 7, 2006 7:47 PM
Nasseem:
If you really want to make yourself useful, keep an eye out for OBL. If you are ever out at the market shopping for some rice, or perhaps some sheep's eyes for a special occasion, look around. If you see a 6'5", geeky looking, Herman Munster with a beard look alike, it could be OBL. Remember, if you dime him out, the reward is $25M.
Think of how you could help your family with this kind of money. Think of all the things you could do. You could even build a mosque right next door to Hugh.
Check around, ask your neighbors if they know anything. He has to be close by. You know that eventually he will get a hellfire missile up his ass, so why not take advantage of it. What's the difference as long as he dies anyway. Think of your family.
Posted by: GFB at February 7, 2006 7:48 PM
AMerican,
OK sounds good to me. I don't know what a derrida is but i get your drift
Posted by: fatnun at February 7, 2006 7:56 PM
just_Linda: "However, if any muslim wishes to leave the 'faith' they know that they will suffer immense humiliation, degradation, physical and emotional punishment and even face being shunned by their own families."
Linda - I'm not sure that's completely true. I'm thinking of all these "moderate Muslims" that westerners describe as their roommates in college, colleagues at work and so on, who don't go to mosque, like to go out for a beer, listen to rock and roll music, are friends with Christians and Jews, completely eschew violence and so on. Obviously their own families must see their behavior and apparently it doesn't bring down upon them what you describe. They're like western Catholics 20 or 30 years ago who had premarital sex, stopped going to mass, got divorced, never went to confession etc. At some point, one asks someone like that, who calls themselves a Catholic, whether they actually believe in the doctrine of papal infallibility. Many such folks raised Catholic said NO. And now they call themselves ex-Catholics. Certainly this caused tensions within the family and I realize that the tensions of actually breaking with islam altogether for many of these nominal Muslims could be even worse, but it can be done (again, I am restricting this to western Muslims). It NEEDS to be done. These folks who CAN, need to start peeling themselves away in name from islam altogether. They are providing cover for the extremists, they are feeding the inflated numbers that Muslims love to cite (which may encourage more western converts), they are making it harder for the rest of us to make crucial differentiations between friend and foe. And for their own good, even, when the s**t hits the fan in the west, those with a long history of no longer calling themselves Muslim are less likely to get swept up in whatever mess ensues. If they refuse to do this - and insist on clinging to their identities as Muslims, even as their compatriots continue to wreak violent havoc across the planet, then IMO they bear some responsibility for stubbornly continuing to identify themselves with this ideology that has declared itself the enemy of all the rest of mankind. As we all know here, Islam isn't a race. It is in fact voluntary to some degree. And as the world's patience wears thin with this ideology, people will be less and less willing to make subtle distinctions amongst this ideologies adherents and they will begin to hold them collectively responsible for the threat they represent to the rest of humanity. So to those who have the capacity to do so - please - get the hell OUT of the way!
at February 7, 2006 8:03 PM
All the non-Muslim world has to take a lesson from Israel today, and our civilized historical past. A large wall needs to be built to separate Muslim territories from non-Muslim territories, and the Muslims all kept on their side of it. Granted, it would be thousands of miles long, take some time and money, and be aggressively and proactively defended. The Chinese and Romans built their walls, to protect their civilizations, and now we need to build ours.
Posted by: elcordobes at February 7, 2006 8:10 PM
"Naseem's language and comfort in expressing it is an indication to me that this person is living in the West, most likely Great Britain. Just an observation."
I lay odds "Naseem" is a man. For that matter, I'd venture to say "Naseem" is a poorly educated young man living in the UK. No more feeding trolls. All that talk of the marathon at Lawhore lol. I wonder if Naseem's privates bounced under all that covering in the Pakistani heat, or if that vision of a bouncing female Pakistani marathoner was nothing more than someone's sexual fantasy. /chuckle
at February 7, 2006 8:15 PM
Kentim: "The problem is imigration. This is the real issue, the ones here will eventually be "corrupted", as long as we don't take in too many at once. Under the circumstances, I think non-muslim(apostates, or others who are at risk) immigration should be the priority."
Yes. Yes. And yes again. The U.S had a moratorium on immigration for 40-some years from the 1920's until the 1965 immigration act, which opened the flood to quotas from all over the world, regardless of cultural compatibility, something which had been carefully considered before and which, in combination with the moratorium, without a doubt made POSSIBLE the sucess of America as a melting pot which we now take for granted, forgetting that it actually represents a quite remarkable historical achievement. Just a few generations ago, Americans had no problem with this idea of selectivity. There is no reason whatsoever not to revive good old American common sense. It isn't "mean". If we ultimately collapse into a 3rd world hellhole, then we'll be in no position to come to anyone else's aid. There won't be any safe haven left on the planet for anyone to escape tyranny. This is just plain common sense.
Look at those placards down at Ground zero today and compare what you to see to the dreams of all those thousands upon thousands of immigrants who came ashore at Ellis Island over the decades and first glimpsed the Statue of Liberty. If someone is talented at photoshop, they might put their talents to good use in juxtaposing those images. Then send out an email to get the message across about a moratorium on Muslim immigration to the west. I've received the same emails in my box about much more trivial issues (not to mention stale jokes) enough times to know how a great image can literally circulate around the country that way.
at February 7, 2006 8:24 PM
To: Islam, All Male Muslims and Allah
So Islam wants to wage war with American and rule in America. Talk and placards are cheap. Non-action by the male Muslims shows what cowards that all of the male Muslims are and the true black lost souls that each male Muslim has.
Islam is not a religion but a political movement that exceeds the atrocities of Nazi Germany and royal Japan and both utterly destroyed.
There are no innocent Muslims. If you follow Islam, you have no value for even pig excrement can be used to fertilize crops.
Your Allah can not save you because Allah is a demon whore of Satan.
Islam is a deprived and cowardly cult formed by Mohammed who was a racist, pedophile, child molester, child rapists, woman hater, woman beater and had sex with multiple men. Those that follow Islam and call themselves Muslims are worse than Mohammed because at least they have had the opportunity to see what a vile and evil individual Mohammed was, yet your black lost souls reveal in following Mohammed.
If your are a Muslim, then bring your war to America and do it now you cowards for America is ready for the war to start with Islam.
God has a special place in hell for the Muslims that are coming to see him. Fire and damnation to all male Muslims.
The war with Islam is fastly approaching and it is near.
The Texican,
It is better to fight and die free than to ever live under Islam.
Freedom or Death.
at February 7, 2006 8:29 PM
Me: "Look at those placards down at Ground zero today {correction - Feb 1} and compare what you to see to the dreams of all those thousands upon thousands of immigrants who came ashore at Ellis Island over the decades and first glimpsed the Statue of Liberty"
The French photographer Henri Cartier-Bresson has a wonderful photograph that gives one example of what I mean by juxtaposition of images. From his book, "America in Passing":
Posted by: Caroline at February 7, 2006 8:44 PM
Texican wrote:
'God has a special place in hell for the Muslims that are coming to see him. Fire and damnation to all male Muslims.'
I've got some bad news for you my friend, but perhaps it's good news for the rest of us: you, whoever you are, and whoever you think you are, do not get to decide who God will send to hell, who God will redeem, and who God will welcome. You are not privy to God's judgements anymore than I am, or anyone else is. I am a Christian, and have studied theology and religious studies at college level. Nowhere does scripture say that Christians will be saved and people of other faiths damned. There are more ways of accepting God's love and redemption than you imagine, and more ways of rejecting it too. God sees our heart, not just our affiliations, our cultural backgrounds. He sees our hearts and our minds, our deepest being.
If you are a Christian, and it sounds as though maybe you think you are, then you should know that it is a deeply, deeply serious thing for one human to condemn another to hell. If Christ has any message about this, it is that those who practice judgement will be judged, those who practice forgiveness and love will be forgiven.
God loves every human He has created. How dare you suppose that God could decide the eternal fate of human souls based on something as trivial as earthly religious denominations?! How dare you?
We are here to keep ourselves informed about the latest developments in the conflict between western values and islamic jihadism, and to discuss what steps can be taken to counter it. What made YOU think you were here to tell other humans that god would send them to hell?
Be very very careful. You will spend eternity in whatever eternity you wish upon others. Those that judge, they will be judged. Those who forgive, they will be forgiven.
When there was darknes over the face of the earth, was God an American? Given that He created all men and women, is God white? When God breathed life into the clay of Adam, was God already a Southern Baptist Christian? How dare you presume to tell others what the eternal Creator will do!? You've made a false god in your own image, one who thinks what you think, says what you want him to. In my book, that's idolatry.
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