I posed this question on the Biased BBC Blog earlier: How does drug dealing and being a muslim go together?

Maybe it's got something to do with the fact that they're trying to kill our societies from within. I've always wondered why so many off-licenses (liquor stores for my American friends) in the UK are being run by muslims... I guess the answer is clear - they're helping us to kill ourselves.

I'll have a Carlsberg on that though!

Posted by: disillusioned_german at February 7, 2006 8:23 PM

German,

Every drug dealer I've ever known (and I've known a few!) was white. Please tell me, how do drug dealing and western culture go together?

Your question is bizarre. Seriously. Yes, we all believe that islam is a nasty faith which is expansionist by definition, but do you seriously suppose that every single thing a muslim does between the moment when he wakes and the moment he goes to sleep at night is predicated entirely on his desire to destroy western society?!

I have an answer to your question: muslims open shops in order to earn a living. They sell liquor because they would hardly turn a prophet (oops!) profit without it. In that respect, (as in many others no doubt), they are not disimilar to westerners.

The muslim who sodl me my Carlsberg tonight (cheers!) at the corner shop was listening to the radio news - about Abu Hamza and the suicide bomb protestor. He shook his head and told me 'there are too many mad men in the world, too many mad men'.

He looked tired. Maybe the job of trying to destroy me all day had gotten to him....

Posted by: religion_of_peas at February 7, 2006 9:22 PM

Dear Mr. Spencer,

5 hours ago I believe I was the first to post the comic and an English translation of a new Muhammed comic coming out in France on Wednesday on the cover of Charlie Hebdo.

http://thomistic.blogspot.com/2006/02/french-mohammed-cartoon-reprint.html

I thought I'd let you know, I sent the tip to Drudge 5 hours ago and see no response.

Oh well.

Thanks,
D. Ox

Posted by: Dumb Ox at February 7, 2006 10:11 PM

Please tell me, how do drug dealing and western culture go together? - Posted by religion_of_peas

Every culture in the modern world seems to have its organized/white collar crime element-- there's a Japanese Mafia, as well as Russian, Irish, even Lebanese (they allegedly had quite the presence in my hometown).

What we see with Omar Khayam (talk about failing to live up to your name) happens in many religions-- that is, the hypocritical belief that your larger religious sentiments, ambitions, and works somehow excuse your personal sins. For example, think of all the disgraced televangelists from the 1980s ("Gawd has forgiven me, why can't you?").

Not surprisingly, though, Islam does seem to be more "wired" to accept that sort of thing, since the embracing of jihad, especially where it leads to "martyrdom," promises a blank check in reparation for one's sins. One is reminded of the repulsive Mohammed Atta, who reportedly drank vodka like a fish-- very haram-- but, none of his fans among the jihadists remember that now.

In fact, there's precedent from Mohammed himself, via the revelations of convenience (the number of wives comes to mind as an example-- correct me if I'm wrong) that basically said, "I'm the prophet here. I'm more important. It's 'different' in my case."

Posted by: Shinoliite at February 7, 2006 10:21 PM

Religion_of_peas: As long as every Western drug-dealer was a Christian who's ready to wear a suicide bomber's west I'd agree with you.

Please explain to me why staunch muslims would sell booze and drugs to infidels unless there was a jihadist goal behind those ventures.

If jihad (as Robert points out) is the duty of each and every muslim according to koran why would they have any further objective?

Maybe your muslim off-license owner should stand up and be counted? I am not convinced that there's a section of moderate muslims who will stand with us. Where are they? Do you define a "moderate muslim" by the fact that he's willing to sell you booze?

I treat all muslims with suspicion unless they prove to me that they're ready for the civilised world.

Posted by: disillusioned_german at February 7, 2006 10:35 PM

german, I agree, do not trust unless proven otherwise.

Your smiling local muslim bodega owner (New York for off-licenses and more), my be a good person, but may also contribute some of that hard earned money to his local Islamic charity, who may turn a blind eye as to were the money ends up.

Your smiling local muslim bodega owner , may think that there are to many mad men, but won't confront them for fear of being called a bad muslim or worse may think that they are mad because of their methods (Jihad) which to him may be rash when slow Da'wa will work just the same.

Your smiling local muslim bodega owner, may think they are mad men, but will not turn them in because he can't bring himself to harm a fellow a Muslim.

That's why at the moment, until proven otherwise I don't buy from Muslim owned stores. If they can not earn a living in the West they will leave.

religion_of_peas, it is a know fact that criminal activity is a proven means to achieve Da'wa. They may have the same goal as infidel criminals make money but that is reinforced by their contempt for Western society.

The same applies to the horrific activities of Muslim's in the prostitution trade, that preys on infidel women not Muslim women.

Jihadists have been know to finance their activity with criminal money, I see nothing absurd with German's conclusions. He is right on the mark.

Posted by: El Cid at February 7, 2006 11:57 PM

Selling alcohol is also a proven way to run a successful corner shop. The guy criticises hate preachers and protestors as lunatics, happily sells me DANISH products, and you say he should stand up and be counted before you'll trust him. What should he do? Burn the koran on Bethnal Green Road? Continue wearing western clothes? Convert to Judaism? Continue to vote in democratic elections?

If Guilty until proven Innocent is the new rule for muslims, let me ask you guys, seriously, what have you done, specifically, to distance yourselves from white supremacist groups that are gaining ground all over the western world? What have you actually done to stand up and be counted? Most of us have not done much. Me, I despise them, but I've done nothing to PROVE that I despise them. Why? I don't have to. They are growing, they are anti-democratic, they have more support in the UK than specifically islamic parties do, they claim to operate on behalf of the beleaguered white community, and they are violent. Yet I do nothing to STAND UP and distance myself from them. Why? Because I don't have to.

Posted by: religion_of_peas at February 8, 2006 12:14 AM

religion_of_peas, I don't live in England and am not aware of the right wing groups you speak of are they Neo-Nazis.

Is right wing the correct name to use?

I consider myself conservative and right wing and think it's a good thing.

Neo-Nazi is one thing to fear, but right wing is not.

It doesn't matter right or left or center as long as we fight Jihad and Da'wa togeher.

Neo-Nazis are few in America and rightly despised.

Unless a Muslim declares that the laws and customs of his host country trump sharia & the koran them he can't be trusted.

Ask your local Muslim shopkeeper that questions next time you see Him.

Posted by: El Cid at February 8, 2006 1:22 AM

Islam and narcotics

Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah’s enemy.”

Politically Incorrect Guide to POPPY NO-GOOD

http://www.fomi.nu/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=19375&highlight=#19375

Posted by: shiva at February 8, 2006 2:13 AM

"He's really let himself go since penning the Rubaiyat..........Omar Khayam, 22, of Bedford..."

LOL, that was too good...ROFL!

-Cheers Mr. Spencer!

Posted by: Gorkhali at February 8, 2006 3:22 AM

In my own limited experience of British yoof culture, Muslim drug dealers punch well above their weight. I recently heard a report on the radio where one of them admitted in his defence that it's a good form of jihad, since it kills the infidel and takes their money.

Which isn't that different to the oil trade - they're aquiring the means to buy us out of our own economies by feeding our addiction & selling us the means of our own destruction.

-religionofpeas, next time you hear a 'moderate' mohammedan lamenting extremism, make an off-the-cuff remark about who's really behind it all - who's fault is it really? I have 'moderate' moslem freinds who are genuinely convinced that all Islam's troubles are caused by joos. See the report here where 37% of UK moslems think that killing UK jews is OK. How many of our moderate friends are '37% like-minded'?

Posted by: Animus Fox at February 8, 2006 9:01 AM

These carttons are becoming a useful scapegoad. Next time he is caught dealing in drugs he can reply: "it's because I was offended by the danish cartoons".

Posted by: restitutor orbis at February 8, 2006 9:21 AM

With apologies to THE Omar Khayyam. . .

Up from Earth's Centre through the Seventh Gate
I rose, and upon the Throne of Saturn sate,
And many Knots unravel'd by the Road;
But not the Knot of Human Death and Fate.
. . . and the seemingly eternal, self-destructive folly of the jihadi mindset. . .

Posted by: larsonbj at February 8, 2006 10:00 AM

"I posed this question on the Biased BBC Blog earlier: How does drug dealing and being a muslim go together?"

easy - the Takfiri principle.

in other words, if it entails that you can engage in non-muslim practise, if that furthers the cause of Jihad. being a takfiri allows you to lie low, and not bring you to the attention of the western authorities.

the madrid bombers were a case in point - many were drug dealers, most drank. there were no indications to Spanish security that they were Jihadists.

indeed, the takfiri principle ties in with the tales of Mohammed Atta and his buddies having drinks at a strip joint prior to 9/11.

The lesson of Madrid is that its not the Abu Hamza, Omar Bakri style of upfront Islamic nutcases you should watch out for. They are a distraction from whats really going on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfiri

Posted by: archduke at February 8, 2006 10:25 AM

more on takfiri here - in the words of one French expert they are the "hardcore of the hardcore" and are practically undetectable.

http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/al-qaeda-and-the-assassins/outreach/

French terrorism expert Jacquard describes Takfiri indoctrination this way: "Takfir is like a sect: once you're in, you never get out. The Takfir rely on brainwashing and an extreme regime of discipline to weed out the weak links and ensure loyalty and obedience from those taken as members."

The results of the boot camps are die-hard but undetectable soldiers of the movement. "The Takfir," says Jacquard, "are the hard core of the hard core: they are the ones who will be called upon to organize and execute the really big attacks." French officials think that Takfiri beliefs have bred a distinct form of terrorism. "The goal of Takfir," says one, "is to blend into corrupt societies in order to plot attacks against them better. Members live together, will drink alcohol, eat during Ramadan, become smart dressers and ladies' men to show just how integrated they are."

Posted by: archduke at February 8, 2006 10:29 AM

Said his protest was insensitive...Hey we finally found a moderate muslim. Too bad it took his arrest and appeal for softer treatment to the judge, to bring out the moderate in him.

Posted by: GrimReaperxxx at February 8, 2006 11:05 AM

The brits aren't altogether silly, the terrorist mullah who got seven years prison in Britain who has no hands to wipe his ass, wont be needing his sixty grand a year prison nurse to do it for him.....guess who might be wiping his ass for him now hahahaha

Posted by: Buddy at February 9, 2006 2:29 AM