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Note the affirmations that this ruling is in accord with Islamic law and is binding on Muslims. Now would be a good time for the Muslim groups that have condemned cartoon violence to condemn this fatwa also. "Court issues fatwa on cartoonists," from AFP, with thanks to Twostellas:
AN Islamic court in India has issued a fatwa, or religious decree, condemning to death the 12 artists who drew the controversial images of the prophet Mohammed.The decree was issued on behalf of the Idar-e-Sharia Darul Kaza Islamic court in northern Uttar Pradesh state by its religious head in the state capital, Lucknow.
"Death is the only penalty for the cartoonists who had drawn sacrilegious cartoons of the prophet," Maulana Mufti Abul Irfan, the religious head of the court, said overnight.
The court's ruling is binding on Muslims, but can be challenged under Indian law.
Mr Irfan said it was clearly written in the Muslim holy book, the Koran, that anyone who insulted the prophet deserved to be punished.
He said the fatwa was applicable wherever Muslims live.
Jaffaryab Zilany, a member of the authoritative national body of Muslim clerics, the All-India Muslim Personal Law Board, said however that although the fatwa was legitimate under Islamic law, it had no legal binding in India.
Posted by Robert at February 20, 2006 5:37 PM
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These riots and fatwas flying back and forth could confuse anyone. So I turned to a French satirical (satanical?) weekly for some cartoon analysis.
My translations of some hilarious cartoons, first English versions on the Web so far as I can tell.
http://thomistic.blogspot.com/
All the best,
D. Ox
p.s. direct link if you see this much later today...
http://thomistic.blogspot.com/2006/02/mohammed-cartoon-riots-islamic.html
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at February 20, 2006 5:46 PM
Are the cartoonists orthodox Muslims?
No.
Then the decree is simply a terroristic threat.
Bush said those who support terrorism are our enemies.
When does the cruise missile hit this "court"?
Enough pussyfooting.
They threaten us with death, they die.
Case closed.
Posted by: profitsbeard at February 20, 2006 5:54 PM
12 cartoonists?
Did all 12 draw ugly mo?
I think a trust fund should be started for infidals to pay zadak into and then rewards can be issued to anyone who kills a cleric who issues fatwas like that.
I presume that if that little boy raping cleric can legally issue such 7th century spite in india that someone can legally issue a "fatwa" that the cleric in question should be killed?
Can we invite the indian ambassador to clarify?
Posted by: exposesithlords at February 20, 2006 5:59 PM
I am old enough to remember the foreign policy implications in the early 1960's of what was known as 'the Missle Gap'. Supposedly, the Russkies were ahead of us in missle, space, etc. This was brought to our attention by JFK.
Now I'm serious here...don't laugh. I have detected/determined that the USA is lacking and is seriously deficent in at least this area. WE ARE BEHIND AND ARE LOSING BECAUSE WE HAVE A FATWA GAP!
The moonbats are ahead of us in fatwas. We need to start laying some of our own 'fatwa's on their happy, slappy little heads. And we need to reintroduce "Letters of Marque".
Ballentine's defines "Letters of Marque and Reprisal" as 'A commission issued during a state of war by one of the belligerent governments authorizing a privateer to attack the ships and seize the property of a hostile nation on the high seas. See 41 Am J1st Pir &2'.
This next one I like by reason of the styling:
"Letters of Fire and Sword". 'Letters which were anciently directed to the sheriff of the county requesting him to gather all the force necessary to dispossess a tenent who remained in possession of land unlawfully.' The definition is self-limiting, but we can fix that. The Letters of Fire and Sword can be directed to the U.S. Marshals (or their designated deputy) in Pakistan, or wherever, to proceed with upmost dispatch to seek out, find, fix and destroy any and all persons in rebellion to or at war with the United States. We simply creat the legal fiction of "U.S. Marshals in Pakistan". We have the legal fiction of "U.S. Marshals in China". already. Anybody issuing a fatwa is at war with us.
We need to be issuing some 'fatwa's of our own on these individuals, and we need to serve our 'Letters of Fire and Sword', delivered to their person, up close and personal.
Lets close the 'Fatwa Gap'!
Posted by: SCV at February 20, 2006 6:24 PM
I thought India was supposed to be staunchly for the US in this thing. After all, don't we now have a "special relationship" to make them into a world power to counterbalance both Muslim and Red Chinese spread in Asia?
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050329-084255-7465r.htm
Maybe it's a tougher bind politically than it appears to me in the USA to just say "arrest the mufti." I wonder how they plan on handling this one. Surely, they can't be like Western Europe and hope things don't get worse if only they close their eyes and pretend this is not happening. Just hopefully, if they want special status from the US, they will actually do something and stop stuff like this from being allowed in India, and at least stop the troublemakers and agitators. Considering the civil wars and partitions that India went through 50 years ago, there have to be laws on the books against public fatwas and other religious rabble rousing, you think?
Posted by: mts at February 20, 2006 6:53 PM
Moderate Muslims love to quote the line in the Koran that "there is no compulsion in religion".
So Moderate Muslim Man - please explain to me how Islamic clerics in India can presume to issue a fatwa calling for the death of a non-Muslim who has presumably violated Islamic law, but not his own laws, while living halfway across the globe?
Karimguy?
Naseem?
ia7-whatever your number was?
and all the rest of you so-called moderate Muslims who have paid a visit to this site and informed us infidels that there is no COMPULSION where Islam is concerned.
Believe me, inquiring infidel minds want to know.
Posted by: Caroline at February 20, 2006 7:22 PM
"Considering the civil wars and partitions that India went through 50 years ago, there have to be laws on the books against public fatwas and other religious rabble rousing, you think?"
From what I know, muslimes are permitted 'islamic personal law' to settle family disputes or civil cases involving muslime parties only under sharia. But in criminal cases, the Indian Penal code rules.
These islamic courts are ostensibly setup to settle family disputes (much like what was sought to be pushed in Ontario, canada) but has now taken to pronouncing fatwas openly. With state elections coming up, none of the secular/lib/left parties wanna antagonize the muslime vote. Dunno howthis will play out. The nice thing is ordinary educated middle class urban Indians are now totally against muslime madness. Even the professional bleeding heart libs out there who went into overdrive during the antimuslime gujrat riots have been gracious enough to not try defending these clowns.
Posted by: voletti at February 20, 2006 8:02 PM
Why hasn't the NY Times even mentioned this story?
French authorities : anti-Semitism may have played a role in Halimi’s murder
http://www.ejpress.org/article/news/france/6067
Posted by: scribe10 at February 20, 2006 8:32 PM
What ? Another fatwa fart from these yermamis ?
Where's this karimgirl troll to explain its subtleties and odouricious significance and superiority.
Anytime another one of these idiots talk about Human rights and religious tolerance - it is suggested they be humilated by being stripped and painted with blue woad and forced to walk the downtown for an hour or two with a sandwich sign that says: "No more taquiyyah: I will try and be truthful hereon."
The true response to the ridiculous can only be something equally ridiculous.
What a bunch of idiots.
Posted by: dgene at February 20, 2006 8:49 PM
"Why hasn't the NY Times even mentioned this story?
French authorities : anti-Semitism may have played a role in Halimi’s murder
http://www.ejpress.org/article/news/france/6067"
-- from a posting above
Yes, where is The New Duranty Times? How much longer can its abdication of responsiblity continue? Is it trying for the Trifecta? It needn't worry -- there is no possiblity it will lose.
Posted by: Hugh at February 20, 2006 8:56 PM
Court? The idea that a bunch of self-appointed Moslem experts reading from the awful texts of Islamic scripture can refer to themselves as a court debases all buildings from which true justice is dispensed.
For that matter, the very notion of a mosque has had the same debasing effect on all churces, synagogues, and temples. Even the dog pounds are complaining. Hell, my hogs are pissed off cuz the other night after several ill-advised shots of Kentucky Bourbon I told them that Mohammed was a worthless pile of swine shit. Not one of my pigs has met my eye since.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at February 20, 2006 10:07 PM
It is so sad that it has come to this. The ignorant infidels did not know that if they blasphemed Allah only they would have had 48 hours prior to execution during which time they could repent and revert to Islam. The prophet however, claimed Allah told him, if the Prophet himself was blasphemed, there is no stay from execution for any reason whatsover. I would not be suprised if angry infidels become so enraged that they start to use the internet to blanket the Moslem world with unsolicited Mohammed-emails.
at February 20, 2006 10:11 PM
It's real funny how, every time the Holy Prophet turned to God for a ruling, he came back "revealing" news from God that worked out so perfectly to the advantage of Mohammed's personal interests where it came to money, robbery, terrorism, torture, rape, kidnapping, pedophilia, extortion, lying, breaking contracts, and all the other fine features that make Islam one of the world's great religions.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at February 20, 2006 10:55 PM
Anybody who says anything against it will be
branded a hindu nationalist by the west. So
silence rules. sshhhh.
at February 20, 2006 11:13 PM
Yet another 'Fat One' calling for cartoonist murder. It would be funny if there weren't so many crazed Muslims eager to carry out such hits.
Maulana Mufti Abul Irfan needs a lobotomy.
at February 20, 2006 11:57 PM
Dear members of jihadwatch
hi. this is my second post on this website. Unfortunately as Naresh said earlier a hindu who speaks out becomes a fanatic.
The below applies well
" a secular hindu is a secular individual, a secular muslim is muslim first and nothing else"
India's democratic structure is burdened by cheap and short term political tactics. Parties such as the Congress, and Individuals such as Mulayam Singh yadav claim to be secular, but openly align themselves with facist muslim organisations in India. A former chief minister of bihar, Laloo Prasad Yadav, now the railways minister of India, used to have a muslim legislator nicknamed Osama ,to garner muslim votes, due to that individual's resemblance to the B**d.
Ironically any pro-hindu or even questioning islam stance is seen as fascist.
I do not believe in religious invocations in a political system. A system of democracy always progresses to the collective well being of the society at large. But in this condition,democracy is being hijacked, the voice of the ordinary indian,not only that of a hindu is stifled. Response to this threat is expressed through rightwing parties such the Bajrang Dal, and VHP, and to a lesser extent the BJP.
The truth of the matter is that these organisations exist only because the ordinary hindu feels that he is marginalized, and if he doesn't take a step to be part of collective voice that represents a sizeable votebank, he/she will lose his rights in his/her own country.
Even my christian friends believe in the need of these hindu parties as a counter balance to fascist islam that is rapidly raising its ugly head.
India is a natural ally to the west in combating fascist islam. We as Indians have embraced many religions into our country. All religions are welcome and protected under India's constitution. This is something that I am very proud of. But when these noble tenets are distorted to pursue a fascist idealogy, the whole purpose of democracy is defeated and therefore such actions must be fought against, with heart and soul, not as hindus, christians, jews, sikhs, buddhists, or any other religion but as members of a free world seeking to keep it free, "TOGETHER WE SHALL PREVAIL".
For a free world
Rajeev
Posted by: thehindu at February 21, 2006 12:15 AM
Welcome Rajeev, I am new here too. Thank you for explaining some of what is going on in India today and how it inhibits a proper recognition of the threat (Islamic Supremacy) and how to fight it. Your closing comment is right on target! Only a coalition of "the other" (i.e. non-Muslims) can effectively resist.
Posted by: Hammer_Time at February 21, 2006 12:26 AM
Scibe10 - well done for bringing this case to wider attention. It is surely a moment of truth for all of us.
Posted by: Animus Fox at February 21, 2006 12:32 AM
Rajeev the hindu-
Good to have one from the land of "The Yoga-sutras of Patanjali" onboard.
And birthplace of Mahadeviyakka. (A favorite lady, and the equal of Hypatia of old and Hirsi Ali of now.)
May Sri Ganesha smile on you -and us all- in this vital struggle for human freedom.
Namaste.
Posted by: profitsbeard at February 21, 2006 1:00 AM
May Sri Ganesha smile on you -and us all- in this vital struggle for human freedom.
Namaste.
Profitsbeard,
As a Hindu from India, your post humbles me and warms my heart. Needless to add, I take equal pride in celebrating Good Friday, Easter Sunday and Christmas. After all, Gandhiji applied the teachings of Christ in his non-violent struggle for India's independence.
Namaste.
Posted by: Alert at February 21, 2006 1:23 AM
Through acts such as this, Islam is sowing the seeds of its own destruction.
Posted by: UncleSam at February 21, 2006 1:25 AM
As an Indian, I am embarrassed that such an open solicitation to murder by what is essentially an Indian parochial equivalent of a civil court is being tolerated in India. If I could, I'd apologize - not just to Danes but to civilized people the world over. But then again, I'm an infidel, and can't speak for these Mohammedan lowlives even if I wanted to.
To that vermin Maulana Mufti Abul Irfan who thinks nothing about issuing threats to the cartoonists who are nowhere near India, how about taking on the VHP/Bajrang Dal, who have drawn a far more accurate cartoon of your pedophile prophet on their web site:
You know what, Qutloo - if you did, you and your thugs would get several cans of whoopass and an earfull of
Musulman kay do stan - Pakistan aur Kabarstan
(translation - Muslims have 2 choices - Pakistan or death)
The good news - on another depiction front, Hindus are fighting back. Ten years after he first painted a hindu godess nude, a Mohammedan artist Maqbool Fida Husain, repeated it this year
http://www.sanatan.org/en/05/Protests/MFHusain/paintings1.php
This time, Hindu groups didn't take it lying down, and he was forced to apologize and withdraw the offending paintings.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4694272.stm
Note that no 'communal' riots took place over this even this time, and no innocent people were killed. The worst thing that happened was his home was ransacked. Compare this to Marwan bin Asmt
Back to the fatwas, if things get violent in India, I have a gut instinct that it won't be tolerated. Despite their 100+ year expertize in dhimmitude, neither India's Congress nor the Left parties want to return power to the Saffron alliance when the latter are experiencing major splits within their parties.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 21, 2006 1:57 AM
When MF Hussain, a muslim Indian painter, insisted
on painting hindu mythological figures nude (including some which are obscene), he
brushed aside any symbolic protest. He considered it his right to draw an artistic expression.
His artistic mind never wanted to paint fully clothed Muhammad (much less nude). I do not know
what he thinks of the cartoons as an artistic expressions. If any finds out, please let me know
his thoughts are on this issue. I hope he is a true defender of free speech and not a hypocrite. Googling hasnt helped yet.
Personally, I am all for freedom of expression by artists. That includes MF Hussain and but also Jyland Posten !
at February 21, 2006 2:04 AM
"Court issues death fatwa on cartoonists"
is a highly misleading title. Parallel Islamic
courts have no legal standing in India (atleast not
yet). The article is written such that it gives an
impression that it has some legal standing as a lower court. It has none whatsoever as of now.
at February 21, 2006 2:25 AM
Where are those khaki-short wearing RSS "facists" when you need them? Ofcourse these days even saffronites dont have balls to face Muslims. Instead of going after Valentine's Day, Bal Thackeray could well offer protection to the cartoonists. Just as Tushar said, news coming out of India, just adds to the feeling hopelessness of our cause.
Hell we are doomed, whats more, no one gives a damn for jihad in Kashmir, or Jihad against Hindus.
Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at February 21, 2006 2:49 AM
Alarmed Pig Farmer:
Court? The idea that a bunch of self-appointed Moslem experts reading from the awful texts of Islamic scripture can refer to themselves as a court debases all buildings from which true justice is dispensed.
They are COURT. A religious court is not an unusual thing. Jewish religious courts also exist. Those court suppose to deal with some civil matters and religious issues. The courts can not issue any judgment on a non Jew and any judgment can not contradict the law of the country.
Incitement of violence is against the law in India and those “Judges” can be and should be prosecuted according to that law.
If Fatwa is an obligation to every muslim, everyone of them should be prosecuted for a conspiracy to murder in every country in the world.
at February 21, 2006 3:56 AM
As a dane I would like to thank the Indian peopel here for expressing support for the danish cartoonists. Islamic fanaticism is a problem for anyone who isn't muslim regardless of ethnicity, race and nationality.
Posted by: odin, king of gods at February 21, 2006 4:41 AM
This fatwa and any fatwa unless it is dealing with than criminal act under Islamist law isnot blinding on moslim at all. They did this to piss war criminal Bush off before his visit to India.
The reason the Korea called for death for certain crimes was normal at that time in history. Long term imprision wasnot practical so if than man rape and murder than woman no matter it he was Christian,Jewish,pagan or moslim was put to death in medine by the founder of Islam. The European have the death penaltry for many crime also.
You chould watch Heavon Kingdom how the Christian lost the Holy City.
Posted by: DefenderofIslam at February 21, 2006 5:31 AM
Nice try Defender
But insulting the profit IS a criminal act and Kingdom of Heaven was an inaccurate piece of Islam-apologist crap!
Posted by: beav at February 21, 2006 6:28 AM
And which European countries have the death penalty for "many crimes"?
Posted by: beav at February 21, 2006 6:34 AM
Why hasn't the NY Times even mentioned this story?
French authorities : anti-Semitism may have played a role in Halimi’s murder
http://www.ejpress.org/article/news/france/6067
Posted by: scribe10 at February 20, 2006 08:32 PM
Scribe10:
You are talking about the publication known as the New Duranty Times around here -- famous for its suppression of the truth about Stalin's USSR and avoidance of describing the plight of the Jews during WW II, aka the Holocaust, which, if reported at all, was placed in the back pages.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at February 21, 2006 8:49 AM
Of course. It was only a matter of time.
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at February 21, 2006 8:50 AM
Those whom God wishes to destroy, he first deprives of their senses. - Euripides
Vikrant:
"Where are those khaki-short wearing RSS "facists" when you need them? "
Pro||y sipping somras in Goa. With this Maulana and that Haji doing what RSS themselves couldn't have done in 5 or 10 years, they are having a ball.
Posted by: desi_singh at February 21, 2006 10:22 AM
Isn’t this all getting a bit out of hand?
I kind of knew - after looking at the moderates faces - that somehow 'sorry' was not going to be enough.
And I am sure that the moderates knew that their 'Other Brother' would be out soon, looking for heads.
It was like underneath their moderate composure – you could almost see that there was a [training] which had to be ‘fulfilled’ and even though they weren't prepared to carry it out themselves - they understood, from word go - that this offence was punishable by death.
__________
The closes reference - which I can think of, is the TNG Star Trek episode - where Dr Crusher's son Wesley, mistakenly steps into a flower bed, while trying to catch a ball and the punishment - for this misstep was ‘death’. As it was the way the people from this planet kept everything in their lives ~ in perfect order.
__________
We cannot allow any of our citizens to be killed under some foreign law!
We will have to tell them to take their law and shove it!
at February 21, 2006 1:38 PM
Excuse me if I am a little cofused, 12 Danish cartoonist drew 12 rather sophomoric cartoons of Mohammed and are condemed to death by moslem clerics. BUT the Danish moslem clerics who had 3 additional very sacrilegious and offensive cartoons added to the 12 they destributed to their moslem brothers starting these riots get off without a fatwa against them? Do I detect a double standard here???
Posted by: WLF at February 21, 2006 2:49 PM
DefenderOfIslam-
There is no death penalty in Europe.
at February 22, 2006 1:29 AM
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