" Is anyone paying attention to the prevalence of this ideology among Muslims in America?"

Shame on you -- you already know the answer to that one!

I'm curious about your audiences -- were they receptive to your message at these conferences?

Did you detect alot of hostility? No hostility?

Did they "look at you funny" or were they receptive?

I avoid cabs in major cities and prearrange my lemo service. Although one day I had an old Russian driver who spoke very little English trying is best to curse at everyone on the road during a Chicago meeting. The profanity he uttered in broken English was the funniest experience I had of this kind.

He peered at me through the rearview mirror and probably wondered what I found so amusing.

I told him in Russian that it was something I was watching -- he assumed it was the television.

Posted by: witness at February 26, 2006 9:12 AM

Robert,

So many questions. Why didn't you have him drive around the block a few more times?

Consider how much info you gleened in one cab ride. I wonder if Larry Kudlow takes cabs?

Posted by: PRCS at February 26, 2006 9:16 AM

Robert -

Yes, we are paying attention. However, I find President Bush's attitude dispiriting. Let's not even talk about the ishtar dinners at the White House.

I knew practically nothing of islam prior to 9-11.
The truth is, I thought they were no more a threat than a bunch of Presbyterians.

Posted by: 00Buck at February 26, 2006 9:26 AM

Don't worry, President Hillary Clinton will take care of the jihad threat.

/It's going to be a long war.

Posted by: Beagle at February 26, 2006 9:28 AM

Robert - a great comment.

There one has the challenge of our times: to understand the nature of Islam, which is the enemy.

When we hear of cabbies in British Columbia Canada emerging from their cabs at a cabstand and jumping up and down with joy upon hearing that the planes have struck the twin towers and fast forward to the news that Dubai seeks ingress to our ports, (or that Rushdie supports the palestineans and Kashmiri muslims)

ya gotta ask - how do we get throught to the tin ears of our leaders ?

Posted by: dgene at February 26, 2006 9:31 AM

I hope the gravity of the subject didn't keep you from feeling just a slight amount of glee that this guy had no freakin' idea who he was running his mouth off to. (Speaking of "no freakin' idea," do you find yourself the target of profiling when traveling?)

So... dawa in the cab. Sounds like this guy had his routine well-practiced. What happens if Mr. Cab Driver finds, among other passengers, a receptive listener?

Is he just hoping he'll inspire some of the people he meets during the day to be more observant Muslims, or is there, perhaps, a means of organizing? Maybe a website is recommended, or this or that group of people, etc.? In any event, how many of his fellow cab drivers hold the same opinion, and may be doing the same schtick to passengers they would assume to be fellow Muslims?

Posted by: Shinoliite at February 26, 2006 9:38 AM

I have this same discussion / argument almost every week. My response is this.

Liberals and other well-meaning, decent, neighborly people wish to give Islam a "pass" merely because some muslim or another happens to "be nice." "Oh he's so nice and religious (never "she") "He brought tabouli to the ecumenical inter-faith kumbayya picnic." Or else some muslim was constrained to act decently in thier presence at the Liquor Store, or the Used Car Lot or the Taxi when they were taking the kuffar's money.

My question is, Did all the Nazi's get a pass because there were a few decent and "nice" acting Nazis??

If one acts decently in public and projects an image of being civil, and yet gives his time and money and energy to an organization which is dedicated to destroying me, am I obligated to "tolerate" him ??

What if this person were secretly in the Ku Klux Klan ?? What if he were secretly a member of the Heaven's Gate Cult, or Aum Shinri Kyo ??

Do I then refrain from denouncing him in the name of "tolerance?"

This mindless mushy-headed "Multi-Culti-Non-Judgmentalism" is a gaping hole where our backbone used to be. Our spines have been removed and replaced with the worthless cotton-candy rainbow of Multi-Culturalism.

Since when must we "accept our enemies?" Since when must we refrain from insulting our enemies??
Since when must we refrain from speaking the truth and calling a spade a spade??

"Oh, Martel, you are such a racist, etc." is the usual reply, as if Islam were a "race" of people amd not an Arab-Imperialist prison-gang.

Islam is here not to live together and bring thier spicy tabouli to the "Unicorn and Rainbow Ecumenical Multi-Culti-Fest" which is what passes for America in the minds of so many. They are here to COLONIZE and to DOMINATE us.

Don't believe me? Just scratch the surface a little tiny bit. Give yourself an education.

Posted by: Martel360 at February 26, 2006 10:04 AM

More on the Arizona Conference:

Yesterday Congressman Curt Weldon(R-PA) spoke at breakfast here at David Horowitz's fantastic Restoration Weekend in Phoenix Arizona. So far, he has given the most impressive and moving speech and seems to really understand the nature of this war. He spoke of jihad in its world-wide totality - the only speaker so far to do so.

Then I attended a panel on the coming elections that was disheartening. I'm sorry to say the Republican party seems to be unraveling just like the democratic party. A couple of the congressmen attacked Tom Tancredo vehemently about his immigration stand. Tancredo had said bluntly "I'm for a wall" [on our southern border] and expressed the opinion that we cannot allow two separate and distinct societies to exist within our nation. To which I would add, we must think not simply about economics in this equation - the other congressmen attacking Tancredo kept talking about how we NEED Mexican workers and how unless we are prepared to expel 11 million illegals (size of the state of Ohio)...blah blah blah, as though that would just be unthinkable. But I can tell you, that thought was not unthinkable to everybody else in the room who are concerned not simply about short-term economics, but the long term character of our nation as well. One can find little Tihuanas all over the country now. Every city has them. It's the price of cheap yard work for one generation. Sorry, I'd rather mow my own yard than have to put up with Mexican graffiti all over the place.

Next, I attended a panel on "The Media and the War" with Andrew Breitbart (formerly with Drudge), Tammy Bruce, Bill Sammon, and Frank Gaffney. It was just sort of a celebration of the decline of the main stream media and the rise of alternative media. Breitbart was the most knowledgeable on Islam.

After that, I attended a briefing on Guantanamo Bay given by Lt. General Paul Vallely and Lt. Colonel Gordon Cucullu. Nothing new, but the army is beginning to get it. I asked, "Since we know that jihad ideology comes directy out of Islam, why are we providing these people with Korans?" Colonel Cucullu jumped on it and said, "That's not all! They have imams and prayer rugs and signs all over pointing toward Mecca!" He understood the inherent contradiction. Maybe he'll be more likely to discuss it with others in the military now that the issue has been raised.

Then I had a wonderful afternoon talking to our new English friend Roy B. who has wrtten a nd recorded a whole slough of anti-Islam songs. They were wonderful. He says whenever he talks to Muslims he tells them straight out - "I will never live as a dhimmi under Islam. I would rather die first." He says most of the time the Muslims look sheepish and ashamed in response.

It is wonderful to be with like minded people. When my friend, Jula R. said, If they kill me I know I will have died with honor," the head of the NRA, Sandy Froman said, "yeah, and if you have a gun, at least you can take one out with you."

That's a woman after my own heart. Winston Churchill would be proud.

Posted by: Rebecca JW at February 26, 2006 10:12 AM

Robert, it would be good if you would write a book about that with a shocking title. It would be helpful to include how Muslims refuse to assimilate into society and how they use civil rights laws to implement sharia. I would like to see a survey of public schools and what "accomodations" have been made for Muslims...how Islamic the schools have become for the rest of the school population. I would like to see a survey of major media accomodations for Islam like calling terrorists "militants", refusal to identify specific attacks based on the Islamic beliefs of the **Muslim** perpetrators, the complete under and nonreporting of heinous acts of torture, mutilation, rape, and murder that are happening to Christians in Muslim countries. Yes, and how the worldview of Islam would never allow a Muslim to pledge alligience to any non-Islamic government...exactly how can a Muslim become an American citizen...this I will never understand...they would have to deny their faith to do so. So they are here under a sham.

I would definitely like to see a book on Jihad in America...how it is being done and how Americans are giving away their freedoms and society in the name of "tolerance".

Posted by: Abby at February 26, 2006 10:32 AM

Robert l wonder what the taxi drive would of said if you told him yeah you were once a muslim, but became a Christian, after you saw the truth of the koran! but then you might not have had a chance to leave the cab alive!

Posted by: Lulu at February 26, 2006 10:50 AM

"Sorry, I'd rather mow my own yard than have to put up with Mexican graffiti all over the place."

That's a nice racist statement... Would you also rather not eat ribs than have to put up with Black graffiti all over the place?

What do Mexicans have to do with Jihad? They're the last folks you need to worry about in the fight against Jihad--and in fact, they may be your best ally in the ongoing demographic war of the worlds. Mexicans (and other Latinos) are overwhelmingly Christian/Catholic and as a group have far more children than "whites."

Posted by: kamala at February 26, 2006 11:17 AM

Here is an article from the Salon press that seems relevent.

Them damn pictures
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/02/24/cartoons/

Posted by: Pass It On at February 26, 2006 11:17 AM

Robert:

I think that with the beard going you make these muslims comfortable. If that is the case, why not attend some services at a radical mosque and hear what the imams are saying? It could be interesting.

Posted by: GFB at February 26, 2006 11:19 AM

Mr. Spencer says "global jihad is not being advanced only by military means, and that the official refusal to acknowledge that many share the goals of the mujahedin but are pursuing them by peaceful means".

I disagree with this statement a bit. Ofcourse I have always stated that Islam will become globally dominant.....and given time ....it will.

However persuing it by peaceful means....i.e. you have to make that land suitable for muslim habitation and environment...shops that sell Halal meat...jilbabs, islamic banks , islamc coke, islamic toys ...etc. etc....you get the idea.

Ultimately...the indegenious population will get the idea ... see Islam for it's just aims, love for the fellow muslim...and they will follow too.

What I resent is the use of the word "jihad" in this...a peaceful persual is not jihad....but dawa.

And yes this is what I do ....dawa for Islaam,
it is the only religion that keeps you locked with your faith....Allah will not abondon his childrens nor will allow his messenger to be degraded. Alhumdadila....I hope to see you folks at a mosque near you soon.

Allah Hafiz

Posted by: Naseem at February 26, 2006 11:23 AM

Robert
If you ever feel that your life lacks danger and excitement I would prefer that you took up chain saw juggling instead. You are too valuable to risk losing.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at February 26, 2006 11:23 AM

it is the only religion that keeps you locked with your faith

If it keeps you locked it is not faith. It is coercion and therefore worthless. God has dignified us with free will, to accept the Holy Spirit freely. And I thank God for it.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at February 26, 2006 11:27 AM

Enough talk; we need to work towards electing people who take this threat seriously in all its aspects.

Bush is obviously more interested in international finance than in protecting this country from Islamicizers.

Posted by: scribe10 at February 26, 2006 11:29 AM

Rebecca, having recently retired from the military I can tell you with complete confidence that some members do “get it” they completely understand the threat. I can also tell you as you may already know many more Do Not! and PC speak is everywhere. The problem with the military system it is extremely resistant to change and you have to fight the PC types who worry more about breaking unwritten PC orders than performance. Over my last few years I constantly tried to inform my fellow soldiers that our allies could be part of the problem. I normally got PC answer like “all people want to live free” “everyone wants their children to prosper” “they (Muslims) have even more reason to make this work”. It all comes from the American belief that all men are rugged individuals who deeply treasure individual freedoms and rights. Only in the movies is the military ran by unquestioning, ready to follow orders at all costs, robots. The American military is full of self-starters, take action adventurers, adaptive thinking experts. That is why the PC types do so much damage, they do not let them work.

You see things in the press, which confirm this, calls for more soldiers, more psychological operations, and more civil affairs. Even Rumsfield himself admits we are losing the information war, so why not fight it, why not get the extra soldiers? I think the reason is fear, PC commanders are afraid, more soldiers mean more causalities, more casualties mean more bad press, bad press means lower rating, less promotion potential and risk of lucrative civilian consulting job. Add highly paid “civilian contractors” with PHD’s in Islamic studies giving classes on Moderate Islam and you have a confused grunt that just want to survive. Although, he sees progress all around the press demonizes him and calls him the problem.

One thing gave me hope and continues to do so, the newer generation of soldiers are more open minded and more prone to make up their own minds. I saw many with copies of the PIG, and over heard intense arguments about Islam in general in the last year than in the last 20. The younger generations are technologically advanced and can quickly find sites such as J/W and D/W. They will eventually own this fight and nothing can help the muslims when they do. Our biggest helpers are the muslims themselves. Our future leaders see for themselves how cartoons are worse then civil war to these people. They see outrageous violence, claims and demands for us to change. They see how the establishment has caved to them and don’t understand why. As these soldiers do their duty and return to their old communities the word will spread. True they have to fight the PC ideas taught in our universities but the students are more excepting of people their own age than old bald professors. I think you yourself, Robert, Hugh and all the regulars on this list are doing a fantastic job of spreading the truth. They really are starting to understand.

Posted by: Ronin at February 26, 2006 11:29 AM

This article should make one pause:

http://canadafreepress.com/2006/jonsson022506.htm

Dubai Ports — Strategic Implications
By David J. Jonsson
Saturday, February 25, 2006

Contents:

Creating a Global Ports Empire

Islamic Economics: Not an Exotic Addition to the English Country Garden

Dubai Ports Operating Shariah Compliant Ports

Implications of Financing with Sukuk Bonds

Impact of High Oil Prices

The Well Known Causes of Concern

Dubai Key Transfer Point for Illegal Shipments of Nuclear Components

"The goal of Islamists, following in the footsteps of Muhammad is to create the Islamic kingdom of God on earth. The strategy to obtain this goal in our lifetime includes the control of the world’s energy infrastructure, the transportation systems, currency, media, elections, immigration and education. The control of the port facilities is hence a critical element. Foreign ownership, in and of itself, although important, is not as significant as the strategy and goals of the owner. In the case of DP World ownership, my hypothesis is that their plan for utilization of these strategic infrastructure resources is to accomplish the ultimate goal of world domination of the sea borne transportation infrastructure. In similar moves, a newly-formed Dubai consortium unveiled plans to bid for the development and operation of airports in China, India and the Middle East, a market they estimate to be worth $400 bln. The consortium comprises DAE Airports and six other top companies in the United Arab Emirates."

Read the whole article!

Posted by: scribe10 at February 26, 2006 11:33 AM

Has anyone seen this new Steyn article:

Needing to wake up, West just closes its eyes

February 26, 2006

BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

http://www.suntimes.com/cgi-bin/print.cgi?getReferrer=http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn26.html

Some highlights:

"It's not surprising when you're as heavily invested as the European establishment is in an absurd equivalence between a nuclear madman who thinks he's the warm-up act for the Twelfth Imam and the fellows building the Israeli security fence that you lose all sense of proportion when it comes to your own backyard, too. "Radical young Jewish men" are no threat to "Arab-run groceries." But radical young Muslim men are changing the realities of daily life for Jews and gays and women in Paris, Brussels, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Oslo and beyond. If you don't care for the Yids, big deal; look out for yourself. The Jews are playing their traditional role of the canaries in history's coal mine.

Something very remarkable is happening around the globe and, if you want the short version, a Muslim demonstrator in Toronto the other day put it very well:

''We won't stop the protests until the world obeys Islamic law.''

Stated that baldly it sounds ridiculous. But, simply as a matter of fact, every year more and more of the world lives under Islamic law: Pakistan adopted Islamic law in 1977, Iran in 1979, Sudan in 1984. Four decades ago, Nigeria lived under English common law; now, half of it's in the grip of sharia, and the other half's feeling the squeeze, as the death toll from the cartoon jihad indicates. But just as telling is how swiftly the developed world has internalized an essentially Islamic perspective. In their pitiful coverage of the low-level intifada that's been going on in France for five years, the European press has been barely any less loopy than the Middle Eastern media."

Posted by: scribe10 at February 26, 2006 11:38 AM

I must agree with Kamala. Personally, I'd rather have tons of "little Tijuanas" than "little Meccas." The issue of illegal Mexican immigration is one area where I disagree with Tancredo; I think there are far bigger fish to fry at the moment. Let's try not to turn JW/DW into the American version of the BNP.

Posted by: kafira at February 26, 2006 11:43 AM

Yes, all too often the Europeans act as if they can just ignore the jihadists and maybe they'll go away. Or worse, they placate and appease them hoping they'll play nicely in return.

Delusions. I think it was V.D. Hanson who drew the parallel to the post-WWI era. Europeans were wedded to the idea of disarmament and perpetual peace, economically exhausted and physically drained by the Great War.

I don't see that as the fundamental context to the run-up to WWII.

It was a moral bankruptcy, a faith in socialism and globalism that was operative then and is operative now in Europe.

The moral equivalence that Mark Steyn notes is the result of moral confusion, the moral relativism that affects the entire culture of non-Catholic Europe.

The Church is the one institution that continues to actually teach that right and wrong are not matters of economic convenience or up to personal choice.

The same people who equate Iranian madmen with Israeli peacemakers, equate the Church with Islamic fundamentalists.

This is the battle to be waged, between the faith that gave birth to Europe and the heresy that virus-like has sought to destroy every competitor.

Readers may well enjoy my "Sunday Morning Coffee" feature that's up every week by noon EST, covering the morning news shows and the stories that'll be making news this week.

http://thomistic.blogspot.com

All the best,
D. Ox

Posted by: Dumb Ox at February 26, 2006 11:57 AM

Illegal Mexicans isn't a race thing it's common sense. Many emergency rooms in California alone have had to close because of illegals. Why should US tax payers have to pay for services for illegals? I don't care where they are from or what race they are. IF they're in my country illegally then they should be thrown out.

Building a wall between the US and mexico is also good sense as a very high percentage of the illegal drugs that come into this country come in through the mexican/American border.

+++If he holds to Islamic blasphemy law, and the necessity of enforcing it on non-Muslims in a non-Muslim state, it is very likely that this man also holds to the same vision of Islamic law, Islamic supremacy, and the ultimate subjugation of the infidels, that motivates Osama bin Laden. Is anyone paying attention to the prevalence of this ideology among Muslims in America?

Isn't it amazing. Muslims come here, benefit from the freedom they have but all they want is sharia. What idiots. I think we should deport every single one of them back where they came from.

Posted by: fireangel at February 26, 2006 12:01 PM

The American military is full of self-starters, take action adventurers, adaptive thinking experts. That is why the PC types do so much damage, they do not let them work.

I was not in the military, but I deal with such people through my job. Also I read their articles and comments on the web. I am constantly surprised by how clear-thinking and articulate many of them are, such as you. What am I saying? Well, sorry for my bluntness, but many civilians have the impression that good brains are not to be found there, and it's simply not true. By contrast, the ability of 'experts' to be dead wrong is simply amazing.

As for cab rides, I had one recently where the driver was Muslim. He seemed like a pretty nice guy. I started a conversation about Islam. First I got the not unexpected line about how Jihad is only in self-defense. I let that pass. Then I asked him whether as an American citizen he thought Iran should get nuclear weapons. He said, 'If the US and UK and France and Israel can have them, why not Iran? It's only fair!' Guess there's nothing surprising here, but it's good to take note of these things so that we can put ourselves in their minds. It's all about fairness!

The problem is, we can't come out and say that Iran is different because it's a radical Islamic nation, because that might offend Muslims in general. We have to dance around it, speaking of non-proliferation and so forth, which, come to think of it does look hypocritical, what with all those countries (and India and others) having the bomb. We need to stop pretending all countries are equal and should be treated the same. However, we also want to stay on good terms with Kofi Annan and so many others. Really, we need to say that there are serious problems with Islam itself, but that is old news here. Is any American worried about India's bomb? Or even France's? :-)

Posted by: Benjamin at February 26, 2006 12:03 PM

Abby wrote:

"Yes, and how the worldview of Islam would never allow a Muslim to pledge alligience to any non-Islamic government...exactly how can a Muslim become an American citizen...this I will never understand...they would have to deny their faith to do so. So they are here under a sham."

The answer is, Abby, that the koran permits deception if it benefits the cause. That's how Imams and people like Naseem (above) can lie through their teeth at the drop of hat, Islam doesn't have a commandment like "thou shalt not bear false witness" because any lie can be justified by claiming it is for Islam. You can't get more devoid of the spirit of righteousness than that!

Tziona

Posted by: Tziona at February 26, 2006 12:06 PM

Allah will not abondon his childrens Posted by: Naseem

'Allah' does not have children. In your own Koran - it states...

037.151 Is it not that they say, from their own invention,

037.152 Allah has begotten children? but they are liars!

That's the one major difference between the God of the Bible - and the god of the Koran.

Naseem? Considering other previous posts given by you, it appears you are confused about Islam. {That is not a 'smart remark' - by no means.

Is it possible - that you are not aware of the fact that the Koran does create murderers?

That cabby - sees no wrong in carrying out murder. His statement - "Only the cartoonists, he said, should be killed" - is proof that the Koran does create murderers.

Posted by: Beth at February 26, 2006 12:07 PM

The American leaders are committing TREASON! big time! by allowing these murderers to raom about freely in the name of "Tolerance"

Proof:

Article. IV. Section. 4 of the United States Constitution of America

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Article. III. Section. 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Article. VII

Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven {that year signifies only one possible Lord for this Constitution] and of the Independence of the United States of America.

The Son of God is an abomination in Islam 019.088 and the Muslims are commanded to slay His followers

Any blood spilled by these murderers - is upon the hands of the American leaders - for allowing them to roam freely - in the name of "Tolerance"

Posted by: Beth at February 26, 2006 12:15 PM

I think after this - any country that doesn't consider how many Muslims it imports - has got to be foolish.

To have any more of the world forced into Saudi Arabian servitude - to the prized fighter god Allah - while everything that a person is - is cloned, and approved and OK'd with the seal of the Moon God to pre-Islam (all gods of the region were moon or sun gods).

Where - for instance - are the Pyramid builders – the Egyptians – those that now call themselves ‘A-r-a-b’ – and live cowering in the shadow of their ancestor’s great works.

What a dumbing down!

Funny most arguments Islamic people make are no different from the arguments those trying to defend any other religion would make. What distinguishes Islam’s arguments is the whole death side of it, the whole killing aspect.

I once had a conversation with a Muslim telling them about the Discovery Channels and how they discuss many things on there - including religion. And this person said to me in earnest – I think we should have Islam discussed on the Discovery Channel. I had to tell him that Islam would never be discussed on the Discovery Channel, because some one would be around to blow the station up.

On one side we are fighting a lot of ignorance – with people - for good or bad - who have not been allowed to think or to question the religion or its ideas in any significant way.

The illusion is all they know.

It tries to kill you - to join it.
It will kill you - if you try to leave it.
But never mind that - at its very center – there is peace.

Since it is trying to take over and force us under its mental subjugation – we gotta fight it.

Just say ‘No’ to Islam!

Posted by: Pass It On at February 26, 2006 12:29 PM

Kamala:

Since when is Mexican a race?

How can Mr Spencers statement be racist?

I personally don't have a problem with Mexicans or Spanish (I have moderate fluency in Spanish, my God son is Panamanian and my step son is as well), but "racist"?

Is American or Canadian or English a race?

Posted by: Nariz at February 26, 2006 12:33 PM

The first issue to be given top priority is : WHY IS THE WEST SO BLIND?

Islam is an ideology aimed at dominating the world. What makes it apparently different from Nazism or Communism is that Islam comes under the flag of religious belief.

Democracy stems from the quest for LIBERTY, it is a bottom-up process : freedom loving ( i.e. submission hating ) people devised Democracy as the best way for governing themselves. The idea of bringing Democracy to "submission" minded peoples is doomed to the bitterest of failures, as adamantly demonstrated by the rise to power of the obscurantist forces of Hamas in Palestine, Shia clerks in Iraq and the coming to prominence of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Though sanctioned through publicly held polls, that’s not democracy, that’s tyranny under the travesty of Democracy.

Submission minded peoples are bound to be governed either by fascism ( Baath ) or fundamentalism. They still belong to the old ages of SUBJUGATION and that's what Islam is all about : THE WILL TO SUBJUGATE, the worst scourge that keeps haunting the humanity since the very beginnings. Believing that Islam is just a religion like many others is a lethal misjudgment.

Human societies of all kinds have thrived millennia upon slavery in a world where oppression was the norm, while LIBERTY is the antithesis devised -- at last -- by the human spirit for escaping SUBJUGATION.
LIBERTY is very “recent” in human history. It’s enough to have a look at today’s world -- 215 years “only” since when the First Amendment was established -- to understand that LIBERTY is still tottering and very frail.

For the “true believers” the world is divided into two sides: Dar El Islam ( the house of the believers) and Dar El Kufr ( the house of the infidels ). The FIRST duty of a believer is to conquer the land of the infidels and submit them.
Submission comes in three choices: 1st is conversion, 2nd is dhimmitude, 3rd is being decapitated.

However those who believe that not to be free but instead to be rich should be the main purpose in human life won’t find themselves restrained under Islamic rule. There are no provisions in the Qur’an against being rich and wealth is indeed praised and recommended.ù

Islam is akin to HIV : it takes a very long time for the infected host to recognize the lethal enemy and too often when he does it is too late. There is something in HIV that misleads the immune system into trusting the newcomer as one more member of the family while in reality it is an alien.

Would the US have allowed a USSR owned company to run its ports? Well, what the US is doing now with UAE owned DP World is by far worse.
But business is business!! And what about America’s open investment policy?? Goddamn those who dare to say that DP World's takeover of American ports management is not business as usual!!
Never seen glittering Dubai’s streets? The big cars and limos, gold and jewels everywhere, the flavor of greenbacks all around, whole armies of obsequious servants, and all the “brands” of the world available to so-called brand-conscious people. Well, isn't that what the most of us are dreaming of ? Thus, since we share the same dreams, who dares to say that they aren’t akin to us?

In the West unabashed LOVE FOR GOLD stands on top of everything, while LOVE FOR LIBERTY lags by far behind in the values’ ladder. That’s why we get so easily fooled by the virus of “submission”. And when the gates are wide open all kinds of ideological servants lusting for economical and political rewards hurry to show up : political correctness resulting in toleration of intolerance, lambasting common-sense measures of nationality profiling, defending heinous women subjugation as a just different lifestyle, laying down the First Amendment on the altar of so-called religious sensitivity… But that’s history already : now both sheer fear at home and bitter defeat in the Middle East are looming large.
The alien is taking hold but the infected host still insists upon maintaining that it is just a new a member of the family.

Posted by: FreeSpeech at February 26, 2006 12:46 PM

Did you hear that the U.A.R. is the most significant donor to the presidential libraries of former president Bush and Clinton ?(gazillions-google it before it is removed).

Why does George Jr. literally hold hands with Saudi 'royalty' when they visit the ranch ?

Posted by: dgene at February 26, 2006 12:51 PM

He explained that it was true: innocent people should not have been killed. Only the cartoonists, he said, should be killed.

Its interesting to note how people in the Islamic World are becoming progressively more extreme.

The supposed reason for the death sentence in the fatwa on Salman Rushdie was that, in his case, insulting the prophet was equivalent to apostasy. Now, this was, of course, a very bad reason; however, with the cartoonists apostasy doesnt come into it. So even that figleaf drops away.

BTW, new Mark Steyn article. To the point, as always.

Something very remarkable is happening around the globe and, if you want the short version, a Muslim demonstrator in Toronto the other day put it very well:

''We won't stop the protests until the world obeys Islamic law.''

Stated that baldly it sounds ridiculous. But, simply as a matter of fact, every year more and more of the world lives under Islamic law ...

Posted by: Yojimbo at February 26, 2006 12:58 PM

Nariz -

English is most certainly a race. I am English. I am an Englishman. I belong, thankfully, to the greatest race on Earth and I live in the greatest country on earth, namely England. I speak the language of my race, namely English, which we gave to the world as the primary method of communication between peoples. It is now spoken, in one of its forms, by more people than any other language.

I don't know if any of the others that you name are a race but English most certainly is, so don't offer that insult to freeborn English people again - just learn from us and name us correctly.

Posted by: Certiorari at February 26, 2006 1:00 PM

Nariz they throw the word racist, as an attack to any statement you make against islam.
then you have total idoits like this naseem person, even when muslims destroy their own temples, even the infidel did not destroy it, took more reverence towards this pigstye, Naseem cannot find any words to question the words of this cult of death. There is no logic, and no human love of self and freedom when you chose islam. it will never succeed in the land of the free. the understanding of this cult of death is being uncovered by the masses via the internet and books such as Robert's PIG to Isalm and the Crusades!

Posted by: Lulu at February 26, 2006 1:01 PM

you have to make that land suitable for muslim habitation and environment...shops that sell Halal meat...jilbabs, islamic banks , islamc coke, islamic toys ...etc. etc....you get the idea. - Naseem

........ Right after Saudi Arabia is made suitable for non-Muslim habitation and environment.... shops that sell newspapers & magazines without censorship, permits equality of sexes, opens temple / church, statues, pictures, regular coke, regular toys ... etc. etc.... you get the idea....

Posted by: Alert at February 26, 2006 1:29 PM

Hello all,

I think Robert's experience just adds more confirmation that Muslims will tend to side with other Muslims no matter how irrational or destructive their actions.

Polling of even the "moderate" Muslim world shows a large chunk of the Muslim World believes the 9-11 terrorists are in Paradise right now.

I don't know of any polling here in the US regarding the cartoon Jihad, but I would be curious to see if the tendency remains the same.

All the best,
Mac

Posted by: amana39 at February 26, 2006 1:37 PM

Enough talk; we need to work towards electing people who take this threat seriously in all its aspects.

Bush is obviously more interested in international finance than in protecting this country from Islamicizers.
- scribe10

Scribe10,

We needf to bot the dhimmi, spine;ess and corrupt politicians out first, only then can we elect people who take this threat seriously in all aspects. I mean.. how can Juliani become a Sec. of state (hypothetically), if Condi isn't booted out?

Posted by: Alert at February 26, 2006 1:37 PM

Kamala--Re the Mexicans, I can't help but notice that they have a city called "Matamoros" (Moor-killer).

Posted by: Kepha at February 26, 2006 1:37 PM

You asked: "Is anyone paying attention to the prevalence of this ideology among Muslims in America?"

The answer is: Occasionally.
Here's a story from the New York Times on September 19, 2001: One week after 9-11, an imam of a mosque in Flushing NY tried to issue a statement denouncing the attack on the Twin Towers, denouncing bin Laden, and supporting America. Half his congregation refused to support it and walked out in protest. It turned out they were supporters of the Taliban:

http://tinyurl.com/zxgbj

I doubt they've changed their minds since then.

We should collect as many of these anecdotes as we can, in lieu of actual opinion polls of American Muslims. I often use this particular story as evidence that there are lots of American Muslims who support our enemies even though they haven't resorted to actual violence--yet.

Posted by: Steven L. at February 26, 2006 1:41 PM

I agree with Kamala too. It wasn't 19 Latinos who hijacked those four planes on 9-11. While radical Latino separatism is a problem, it pales in significance to the problem of worldwide Islamist jihad.

I also think there's a note of real hypocrisy here: Most of the people denouncing Latino immigration wouldn't be caught dead doing the jobs that Latinos are willing to do at the wages they're willing to work for. Our minimum wage laws have exacerbated that, but that's a problem for a whole other website.

I've always challenged an opponent of Latino immigration this way: The next time I'm staying in the Holiday Inn, why don't you ask your wife to work as a maid there and make up my room?

Posted by: Steven L. at February 26, 2006 1:50 PM

Posted by Naseem above: ” However persuing it by peaceful means....i.e. you have to make that land suitable for muslim habitation and environment...shops that sell Halal meat...jilbabs, islamic banks , islamc coke, islamic toys ...etc. etc....you get the idea.
Ultimately...the indegenious population will get the idea ... see Islam for it's just aims, love for the fellow muslim...and they will follow too. “

Ok Naseem prove it. Prove to me it is being spread peacefully, I have seen your peace 1st hand in several deployments to muslim lands. I guess they were suitable for muslim habitation, the peace thing just wasn’t there. I did see shops, banks etc some with islamic toys, one memorable one in Bosnia served food and behind the counter was an RPG and an AK, peaceful advertising?

The first question I have for any muslim is to explain why the perfect system has screwed up the perfect people. If you can’t make it work what makes you think we can? None of the muslim countries I have been to were anything special. All had crime, violence, and a drug addicted (and brainwashed) youth. You called yourself a businesswoman in one of your earlier posts. In what Islamic country could you practice any business without a male dominating it? True, you could be a Doctor or Nurse as long as you didn’t treat men. Maybe you could run a woman only business?

When you work that one out for me, I also want to see the benefits for us westerners. I do like the muslim my word is god thing when it comes to handling women, my wife might need lessons in “tolerance” before I try and impose my will on her. You stated that I could learn to see the love for the fellow muslim, I’ll give you that one. As soon as you convince me of the benefits I will convert and love my fellow muslim (good luck with that one). How soon after do I get to hate, Jews, westerners, Copts, Christians (insert all non muslims) etc etc? Do you get classes in violent behavior or is it expected to come naturally?

I am a little slow despite Benjamin’s earlier compliment to my intellect (ty btw) so explain to me why after all these centuries this whole sharia thing just doesn’t seem to work. Here is an idea, why don’t you muslims try it our way for a few centuries. Once your people are finally controlling their own destiny and your economy has developed to the point you don’t need handouts, your political leaders actually take care of everyone, including non muslims, then throw it all away and follow sharia again.

Oh, I have a tip for everyone except Naseem. For those of you who still do not own a t-shirt supporting Denmark you can now find them on ebay, I found one at a flea market here in Tampa (you have to ask for them they are afraid some muslim will stroke out after seeing them). I wear mine to walmart, really burns them up but so far none have been brave enough to complain about wearing it. Oh, I have a tip for everyone except Naseem. For those of you who still do not own a t-shirt supporting Denmark you can now find them on ebay, I found one at a flea market here in Tampa (you have to ask for them they are afraid some muslim will stroke out after seeing them).
I consider it a peaceful expression in support of free speech. I will calmly explain why I wear it to anyone just don’t go crazy and threaten to cut my head off, It might cause a “flashback”. None of us want violence, we westerners are a kind people.

Posted by: Ronin at February 26, 2006 2:03 PM

One of the amazing things about Islam is that it defies rational thought. No matter how well educated a Muslim is, he or she is unable to think rationally. It's truly amazing that so many people in North America nad Europe (like Ibrahim - Douggy - Hopper) are willing to abandon common sense and embrace Islam.

It's also amazing how the media is so willing to give Islam a "free pass" while constantly attacking Christian religions.

Posted by: BW2221 at February 26, 2006 2:08 PM

Spencer wrote: "I emphasized the importance of realizing that the global jihad is not being advanced only by military means, and that the official refusal to acknowledge that many share the goals of the mujahedin but are pursuing them by peaceful means is hindering our defense against that particular line of attack."

The military jihad (whether guerilla & commando style [terrorist], or conventionally military [armies]) is the principal danger emanating out of Islam. The "other means" to advance this military jihadist threat all are dangerous only because they in one way or another assist the military jihad.

One should not stand the danger we face on its head, as Hugh Fitzgerald often seems to do: where the non-military jihad becomes more of a danger than the military jihad. That would be an absurd danger to worry about. To repeat: the non-military jihad is dangerous only to the extent that it assists the military jihad.

I would challenge the proponents of the Fitzgeraldian view of Jihad to name me one country or region in the world, throughout the history of Islam (from the 8th century to today) where Islam has conquered without military-physical violence. There are none. (Some might cite Indonesia, but Islam could not have come to dominate that region had there not been waves of piratical attacks and thousands of small-scale acts of violence (and threats of violence) over a long period of time preceding the dominance of Islam there.)

Mark Steyn's article (quoted by someone above) also implies this Fitzgeraldian Theory of Jihad by Non-Military Osmosis, by citing countries where if one merely pauses to think for a second, the Theory dissolves:

"every year more and more of the world lives under Islamic law: Pakistan adopted Islamic law in 1977, Iran in 1979, Sudan in 1984. Four decades ago, Nigeria lived under English common law; now, half of it's in the grip of sharia..."

Every one of these countries named where the sociopolitical power of Islam has increased -- every one of these countries has had decades, even centuries (not to mention an ongoing brutal present) of violent, military Islamic attacksas a stark backdrop to the advancement of Islamic law. Indeed, every one of these countries has had an actual physically violent, military takeover by Muslims.

Upshot: There is no danger of non-military Islamic jihad taking us over by osmosis -- not unless specific military violence (before, during or threatened for the future) attends it.

As irrational, pathological and silly I consider our dominant Western PC culture to be, I do not think its carriers are so far gone that they would countenance a non-military conquest by Islam by the sheer osmosis of transforming our socio-politico-legal institutions and culture. To think they would is ludicrously flaky.

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at February 26, 2006 2:11 PM

Some marvelous anti-dhimmitude by no less a person than Sir Trevor Philips, the chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality (UK)

Muslims 'must accept' free speech

Posted by: FallingProphet at February 26, 2006 2:19 PM

Don't worry, President Hillary Clinton will take care of the jihad threat.
/It's going to be a long war.
Posted by: Beagle at February 26, 2006 09:28 AM

Which ever presidential hopeful comes out and states that they will defeat Islam will be the next president. Hopefully, Hillary's leftist attitude will not let her do this........

==============================================

When my friend, Jula R. said, If they kill me I know I will have died with honor," the head of the NRA, Sandy Froman said, "yeah, and if you have a gun, at least you can take one out with you."
That's a woman after my own heart. Winston Churchill would be proud.
Posted by: Rebecca JW

If Hillary gets elected president we will have to fight to keep our arms and fight Islam.

Wars are won by killing all of the enemy that you can till the enemy unconditionally surrenders.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I must agree with Kamala. Personally, I'd rather have tons of "little Tijuanas" than "little Meccas."
Posted by: kafira

Mexico intends on taking back Southwest America including Texas which will be a very hot day in Hell for Mexico before this happens. This also has to be stopped.

11 million illegal immigrants can be removed from America. Build the fence and tell every illegal in America they have two choices, they can leave within the next thirty days with what they own for on day thirty one they will be rounded up and sent home as they came into America only with the clothes on their back.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Isn't it amazing. Muslims come here, benefit from the freedom they have but all they want is sharia. What idiots. I think we should deport every single one of them back where they came from.
Posted by: fireangel

If we box them up and send them home, do we get a refund like returning coke bottles??

------------------------------------------------
English is most certainly a race. I am English. I am an Englishman. I belong, thankfully, to the greatest race on Earth and I live in the greatest country on earth, namely England.
Posted by: Certiorari

I just love the dry humor of the English. The English gave us Faulty Towers and Benny Hill and other such great comedies.

We wish to thank England for helping America to become America. Colonial America just couldn’t take that tea tax any more.

The English deserve our thanks and respect for the tens of thousands of innocent Englishmen, women and children that died holding Hitler at bay until America could finally realize the threat (Pearl Harbor) and join in the battle and defeat Germany and Japan.

I am afraid that it will take another Pearl Harbor, nukes WMD’s bombs going off in America before our America government awakes again. The American public is has realized the threat from Islam by the myriad number of telephone calls and emails sent to the MSM, cable news and Congress in opposition to the Muslims operating American ports.

================================================
The cab driver was a Muslim. He explained that it was true: innocent people should not have been killed. Only the cartoonists, he said, should be killed.
Posted by Robert

The demented minds of the Muslim masses are astounding and is driving the world into a nuclear holocaust.

============================================

Any blood spilled by these murderers - is upon the hands of the American leaders - for allowing them to roam freely - in the name of "Tolerance"
Posted by: Beth

If our leaders can not recognize the threat of Islam, how can they recognize their duties under the Constitution.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
a Muslim demonstrator in Toronto the other day put it very well:
''We won't stop the protests until the world obeys Islamic law.''
Posted by: scribe10

And yet President Bush and his incompetent staff still do not get that Islam intends on conquering the world. It will take nukes going off in Washington so they can see the light..........

The war with Islam is inevitable.

Prepare be armed be ready.

The Texican.

Freedom. The only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at February 26, 2006 2:19 PM

Ronin,

Thanks for the comments. I have had similar observations from the "inside" of the military.

The careerist field grade and general officers will parrot any line they think is in vogue. Whatever they believe will get them ahead. This has been the case throughout the history of the military. At the present, the party line is still the "great religion of peace being highjacked" crap. However, that is quickly changing. Even the careerists are starting to quiet down with that rhetoric.

The non-careerist junior officers, a good number of field grades, and even a few retired GO's are now openly debating the truth about Islam. In fact, Army Magazine recently published a very blunt article dealing with the connection of Islam to terrorism (title: Islam, Islamism, and terrorism). The author pointed out the violent "war" verses in the Koran, and the fact that they cannot be "interpreted" away from being prescriptive commands (as can the OT violent verses which are descriptive and limited).

As time moves on, even the brown-nosing careerists will start telling the truth. That group of officers will go with whatever direction will help them get ahead. Soon, officers will not get ahead if they are stupid enough to keep saying "Islam is all a religion of peace". The promotions come from the inside. The inside will eventually change with the general consensus.

I was truthful about Islam way back when that was not in vogue (just after 9-11). My change in thinking came after service in the middle east in the 90's and personal reading of the Koran/Hadith (as well as a much closer reading of the Bible). I initially paid for holding that line. However, many of my officer friends are now coming back and apologizing for not believing. I will continue to be bold and serve my country by my oath: Defend the Constitution against "all enemies foreign and domestic". My oath to support and defend this great Constitution and way of life comes above any desire to get ahead. It comes before being PC, if being PC will harm the nation. Many others feel the same way.

The current crop of Junior Officers joined out of a true sense of duty. They will not allow the country to be harmed by following PC above truth. As they rise in rank, the careerists will be canned. Our country will be in good hands.

Posted by: hello123 at February 26, 2006 2:25 PM

Thanks for the link Steven L.

As long as we are discussing the various forms of Jihad strategies, I have to plug a very good book on the subject, right up there with Robert's work in clarity. "Future Jihad" by Walid Phares. He divides it into six "tracks" as follows:

1. Economic (basically using oil)
2. Ideological (penetrating the universities)
3. Political (mollifying public opinion)
4. Intelligence (infiltrating our DHS agencies)
5. Subversive (using our freedom laws against us)
6. Diplomatic (influencing foreign policy)

I am paraphrasing here, but the above is the gist of his categories. Paul Sperry does an excellent job in "Infiltration" and of course Robert covers much of this in "Onward Muslim Soldiers."

All of the best,
Mac

Posted by: amana39 at February 26, 2006 2:37 PM

Don't be hating on the Mexicans!

I understand that there are some legitimate economic concerns involving illegal immigration. I also understand that the Hispanic MS-13 is the largest growing gang in both the U.S. and the world (though not centered out of Mexico and creates real problems in many of our cities. And, finally, I understand that illegal immigration numbers serve to highlight the ease with which people can get into this country without approval -- but it isn't the Mexicans or other Latinos we need to worry about. The majority of the problems caused by illegal immigration -- or legal immigration but lack of assimilation most specifically in terms of language -- can be dealt with. They are real, but by comparison with the other issues we are faced with at this time -- they are merely an annoyance.

Latinos, as noted by other responders, are largely Catholic, largely dedicated to reproducing, and not afraid to speak up. They simply have not yet been infected with the PC virus that has been handicapping so much of the West. So let them in. And bear in mind, many Latinos are the descendants of the Europeans who conquered South America. They know all about how religion can be used as the point of entry for domination. They are not blind to the Islamic implications.

Posted by: toleranceorappeasement? at February 26, 2006 2:41 PM

I love Mexicans, but illegal immigration is,
well, ILLEGAL, and it ends up costing a lot of
money to those that live here, and while it enriches a few, it prevents many from doing
better.

Find out what Cesar Chavez thought about the
practice of importing workers for cheap labor.

Oh yeah, deport all the Muslims too. I hate that
word "unthinkable". Of course all of the Muslims
support murdering the cartoonists. Does anyone
believe in this mythical "moderate muslim"
any more?

Posted by: American at February 26, 2006 3:13 PM

toleranceorappeasement:

I've commented a bit on Tancredo/the wall issue in the link below (scroll to the bottom; last, long-winded comment), addressing the short-sighted issue of "compassion" and enabling illegal immigration:

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm?blog_id=123

I realize that they are my fellow Catholics, and am proud of the work the Church does on behalf of Latino immigrants, migrant workers, and the many social issues that accompany those communities.

However, if I give someone a free pass to break the law just because they're the same religion as I am, I'm no better than the many Muslims who do the same for Osama bin Laden and other jihadists, out of preferential treatment for the "ummah."

And, the issue has everything to do with terrorism and national security. There have already been possible cases of Mideast terrorists crossing into the US at our southern border:

http://jihadwatch.org/archives/009807.php

By the way, MS-13, which you mentioned, has been rumored to have made contacts with al Qaeda, as well.

Posted by: Shinoliite at February 26, 2006 3:14 PM

Stop the presses! Caught this speech on telly last night, here's the transcript: UK Defense Secretary John Reid gets it. By now none of us expect any politician to be able to call out the enemy - it'd be too sensationalist, and besides, anyone paying attention knows that Islam has repeatedly made clear and abundant declarations. All things considered, Reid's statement "what we combat is not a religion; it is a twisted evil using religion as cover" - though ostensibly alluding to unicorns - does seem a well-worded recognition of the true scale of the conflict.

Coming in the wake of treachorous and flagrantly STUPID reporting of British transgressions - which took place two years ago - in Basra by the News of the World tabloid, this speech makes significant references to the failing responsibilities of our medias. One hopes the governors of albeeb were given pause for thought by this; given that the organisation was commisioned - as a mandatory licenced authority - for the specific purpose of galvanising Britain against such threats, their fetishistic obsession with broadcasting unmediated Islamic propaganda must be brought under control.

In France, the media are begining to acknowledge the role of Islamic popular opinion in the horrific murder of Ilan Halimi. Although some are still talking of disenfranchised youth culture, this article does mention the salient points such that only a fool wouldn't make the connections: Islamic literature & videos, antisemitism and violence. The article also suggests that ransom may not have been the principle motivation - it seems opportunities to collect payments were neglected by the murderers. Equally disturbing is the indication that some residents on the estate knew what was going on but kept silent.

Posted by: Animus at February 26, 2006 3:16 PM

toleranceorappeasement, kamal, Stephen L., et al-

If we do not enforce the laws of this country (and not Mexico's or Shariah Law's) then our nation is being betrayed or betraying itself into either balkanization (La Raza's Nuevo Mexico in the southwest) and / or the eventual Islamic Emirates of America.

Keep illegals out.

All.

Otherwise, why stop at stop signs?

Why not steal from shops?

Why not take your neighbor's newspaper from their walk?

Every illegal unravelling our the country's borders and laws hastens the infiltration of those bent on turning what we've won, through sacrifice and intelligence, into a third word crapbox or Muslim hellhole.

Thanks, but I'll fight to keep what we've achieved.

And I do mow my own lawn and clean my own toilet.

And if a hotel or motel can't stay in business without hiring illegals, I'll sleep in one that can, and gladly pay $20, or more, for the better rest.

Scofflaws hurt those who play by the rules, as well.

Why should anyone get a real passport, or apply through the naturalization department to enter the U.S.? Let's have complete illegal immigration if it is so good. And the hell with driver's licenses. Or insurance. Or sanitation laws. Or anti-dumping statutes for toxic chemicals.

Hey, free market everything!

And if your kids are poisoned by backdated chicken, well, jeeepers! it's the price we pay to get rid of those pesky laws restricting the free movement of salmonella bacteria.

No thanks.

Things that destroy our legal system and erode our Civilization will only bring us to one more suicidally-smug dead end. Yet another well-meaning, but blind example of a culture that failed to uphold its core meaning.

Posted by: profitsbeard at February 26, 2006 3:19 PM

The BBC has, finally, reported the march commemorating the murdered Ilan Halimi. It is a rather PC report, however: it mentions the disturbing anti Semitic background (difficult not to as France's Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy actually used the term) but IMO, attempts to gloss it over. There is no mention of the kidnappers' quoting the Koran, nor of what looks like the previous attempted kidnapping of Jews by the same gang.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4753348.stm

Posted by: Yojimbo at February 26, 2006 3:19 PM

I too had an interesting conversation with a recent immigrant from Saudi Arabia who was working as a cabdriver. This was soon after 9/11, and before I became knowledgeable about the Qur'an and Surah, so unfortunately I didn't know the right questions to ask him. Anyways, the conversation was mostly him scolding me (not in a smiling good-natured way) because I told him that my S.O. and myself had waited until we were in our late 30's to have children. He was, umm, emphatic that you need to marry a girl who is in her teens, so that you can get the maximum number of children out of her. Oh, gee, never thought of that.

That episode pales in comparison with a situation where I was on a team writing some software. A Pakistani on the team argued vociferously with me that what I was proposing was impossible. I then, on my own time on the weekend, wrote the code and showed it to him. Unknown to me, he then took that code and called a meeting with everyone on the team except me, and did a demo of the code to our boss. A week later our boss mentioned how impressed she was at the Pakistani's code, since no-one had thought we could accomplish that. I guess deception is not just war (as Muhammad said), but also a normal way of doing everyday business. I was ready to rip his head off in the meeting, but, being an infidel, I settled for a three-way conference with our boss where I explained in clear and loud terms what had happened. I quit that job soon after because of it.

Posted by: special_guest at February 26, 2006 3:20 PM

Dr Pepper said

One should not stand the danger we face on its head...where the non-military jihad becomes more of a danger than the military jihad. That would be an absurd danger to worry about.

Is it absurd? If the non-military jihad is waged, as I'm assuming you assume, by using gentle persuasion to convert infidels to Muslims, then I don't see a problem. Every person has a right of free speech to use arguments to convince others of the validity of their beliefs. Our (U.S.) culture will change over time as it assimilates new ideas and cultures, and I think this is good. And I don't think the principles of Islam have a chance in h*ll in being adopted in the U.S. if they are debated openly.

But that is not what is happening with the non-military jihad. It is being waged with deceipt. One message is given in Arabic to the believers, and another message is given in English to the infidels. It is a war to stifle the right of free speech, so that we will no longer be able to point out the true nature of Islam. We can just barely still have an open conversation about Islam in our society. Our own newspapers and tv stations don't report on the jihad and refuse to publish very tame satiric depictions of Muhammad. Why? Which brings us to another front: economic. They are using massive, record-breaking profits from the oil industry to buy influence in our media and in our government. This perversion and destruction of our rights is far more dangerous than the military jihad because it is so slow and subtle. The military jihad is actually a bad move for the jihadists, since it is waking people up to the danger of Islam, in a way that the non-military jihad was not. They have startled the frog in the pot, and woken him out of his stupor. The military jihad is destined to fail, but the non-military jihad is more worrisome.

Posted by: special_guest at February 26, 2006 3:51 PM

Ronin, my cousin is a SGTMAJ in the Marines and he certainly gets it. I have been getting him informed and he certainly sees the enemy for who they are.
Thanks for your service.

Posted by: disciple at February 26, 2006 4:02 PM

special guest, the non-military jihad using deceit is still not a danger except insofar as it paves the way for physically violent military jihad. Non-military jihad is often (not always) a tool, a wedge, to enable the project of military jihad. Let's not reverse the importance and nature of the tool and the project.

As for the state of non-military jihad in the West: I'm sorry to inform many Jihad Watchers that Islam's non-military jihad has, at least in one important respect, already won: it was victorious long ago: it's called the Western PC multi-culturalist whitewashing of Islam, which is the dominant view of Islam in the West, and has been for decades: a significant victory for non-military jihad, perpetrated and propped up mostly by non-Muslim Westerners.

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at February 26, 2006 4:08 PM

Ronin,

Too bad that the boss of all branches of the US Military, Rumsfeld, ostensibly believes, as he emphatically said to Charlie Rose recently, that "Muslim terrorists are a very small minority: the vast majority of Muslims are moderate!"

And too bad that the Boss of the boss also ostensibly believes this.

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at February 26, 2006 4:11 PM

Some people are misunderstanding me here.
I am not for ILLEGAL immigration. It points at a problem for national security and should be taken care of to stop anyone from getting in without proper approval.

However, I think far too many people are against allowing hispanic immigration. And frankly, Middle America has more in common with Hispanic immigrants in terms of shared values than they do with many other immigrants -- or with many other people who were born here.

I fully admit that the language barrier is an issue that must be tended to. I was all for an English First (or Only) clause way back in the day before most people considered it much of an issue. However, once you get past the language gap, there is an awful lot of common ground between Hispanics and traditional Middle America.

I would like to see greater attention paid to immigration in general, I am not in favor of illegal immigration. BUT, there seems to be a bit of Mexican hating going on here, and given the larger issues and culture clashes at play in our world today? I don't get it.

Do we agree on everything? No. Is it always an adjustment to change the cultural makeup of a society? Yes. Is ours swinging toward a much larger hispanic percentage? Yes.

So embrace them now. Make friends now. Solve our problems and areas of difference and concern with this new (large) piece of the American Pie now so that we can move forward together, united against those with whom we will be very hard pressed to find the same kind of common ground.

The MS13 issues are troubling. I have long called for immediate deportation of any confirmed member of MS13 is who not a citizen. I have also called for citizen members to be tried for treason since they have given allegiance to a foreign movement.

I am not blind to the issues. I just think that working together, we can overcome them and Latinos could be a very important part of our successful resistance to Islam.

Posted by: toleranceorappeasement? at February 26, 2006 4:16 PM

yojimbo - they first mentioned it two days ago, but as you say they glossed over the Islamic incentives of the murderers, saying only that "authorities believe antisemitism may have played a part", and so neatly sidestepping any insinuation on their part, the weasels.

Incidently I think they only picked up the story because Skynews were already covering it - as a clearly antisemitic murder, by Moslems.

Given that there are no major Moslem neighborhoods near albeeb, and that Sky is right next door to a sizeable one at Hounslow, the disparity is all the more marked. Sky also announce on-air their equivalent of "have your say", which has recently consisted largely of ordinary ppl expressing concern at the Islamification of Britain and their abuses of our laws & protections.

Although Sky aren't immune to the occasional poor choice of words, unlike albeeb they respond positively to polite objection. I ain't no Saudi prince but I think I may have got them to drop several "distasteful" reports of late. They deserve their consistent awards for Newschannel of the year, and put the publicly-funded albeeb to shame.

As far as I'm concerned, albeeb can whistle for their licence fee. No way am I funding terrorists.

Posted by: Animus at February 26, 2006 4:19 PM

Anyone who knows anything about the rules of warfare knows that the first thing to do once war breaks out is to secure one's own position. Since this is a war by civilians on civilians, we must be prepared to defend our civilian population by whatever means necessary. I just came from the last session of this conference and it was specifically on immigration.

Our speakers were Tamar Jacoby and Doug McIntyre. The audience wanted to talk about national security and Muslim immigration, but neither panelist was prepared to speak to the issue much. McIntyre's position was, secure the border first, then let's talk about immigration. He put the number of illegal immigrants at 20 million, the size of the state of New York. He spoke passionately about how corporations no longer have the interests of the nation at heart and how they are not even expected to have the interests of the nation at heart anymore. In this he echoed the vehemence with which Pat Caddell spoke about how the corruption in government was a sickness that will destroy the nation by selling her out.

Tamar Jacoby, when asked sincerely about Muslim immigration by a woman who works through her Church to help these immigrants and then they turn around and call her a kafir, (she said, "and the Koran tells me that infidels, can be killed!!), Jacoby responded, "Oh, Muslims are less than three million, they're like the shavings of a fingernail, they're so small. They're not a problem."

The room erupted! Absolutely erupted! The mood in that room was incredibly hostile. Then another woman from the audience spoke about her experience visiting Germany recently and their Muslim immigrant problem. Jacoby came back with a bunch of baloney about how Europe is lousy about assimilation, but "it's what we do best." Another eruption and a man pointed out how Germany had loyalty oaths and language tests and the whole nine years and still, Muslims didn't assimilate.

During the entire conference the average people were, by and large, way ahead of the speakers on the issue of Islam (except for Robert and a couple of others). That's the good news. Unfortunately, I see the Republican party splitting down the middle on immigration and Islam and then corruption, buzzard like, circling in to finish it off.

So now what?

Posted by: Rebecca JW at February 26, 2006 4:30 PM

Yes, and how the worldview of Islam would never allow a Muslim to pledge alligience to any non-Islamic government...exactly how can a Muslim become an American citizen...this I will never understand...they would have to deny their faith to do so.
Posted by: Abby at February 26, 2006 10:32 AM

What happened to the ‘First Amendment’ to the American Constitution? As long as Muslims are allowed to practice their religion in peace, they are free to live not only in America, but in any other non-Islamic country.

Posted by: Mohideen Ibramsha at February 26, 2006 4:36 PM

disciple its great your cousin in the Marines gets it! l know my nephrew who was the middle of the road now gets it! he just saw the cartoons, and cannot understand all the fuss over some lame cartoons! many more of the youth and even some older ones will get it! it will work its way up in the ranks...there is no turning back till the cult of death is gone. maybe there is something to the reborn Christians thinking of fighting in the end of times.. as islams is the opposite of Christanity!

Posted by: Lulu at February 26, 2006 4:41 PM

Thanks, Animus. I haven't got Sky - clearly, I'm the loser there.

BTW, I just discovered that Ken Livingstone:

is to spend £50,000 of tax-payers' money on an inquiry into alleged anti-Muslim bias in the media. The mayor of London ordered the review before the disciplinary hearing last week at which he was suspended for a month for comparing a Jewish reporter to a Nazi concentration camp guard.

Livingstone really is disgusting. I think there are no depths to which he will not sink. It is certainly remarkable that a self-described "socialist" should throw his lot in with people like Qaradawi ... travelling the same road for awhile, I suppose. He obviously hates our civilization so much that any one else who does is a friend to him no matter their ultimate ends.

I'd like to see the idiot Londoners vote him out next mayoral election, but I don't know that they will. I suspect his standing is actually rising with Muslim voters.

Posted by: Yojimbo at February 26, 2006 4:47 PM

Go Here:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7337500E-3AE5-419D-82DB-90794104BD51.htm

We can all sleep a little better tonight knowing the head dhimmi at the UN has solved the cartoon capers. Guess what!! The Western World is to blame because we are insensitive and don't have blasphemy laws. Time to show Kookie Kohfi the door.

Posted by: ARAKIS at February 26, 2006 4:52 PM

Mohideen,

Nothing has happened to the 1st amemdment, that is why we are free to study the life of Mohammed from historical text authored by Moslem and non-moslem alike, and conclude from that record that he was nothing more than the typical 7th century Arabian warlord who engaged in murder, rape, pillage and plunder, not to mention his sexual perversions regarding a certain nine year old girl.

Joseph Smith has a more legitimate claim to prophethood than Mohammed, and neither one of them can prove their prophethood except by their own words. By the very definition of the word, prophethood can only be tested in time, not contemporaneously. Nostradamus has proved to be far more prophetic than either Mohammed or Joseph Smith.

Posted by: Lisa at February 26, 2006 5:04 PM

The younger generations are technologically advanced and can quickly find sites such as J/W and D/W. They will eventually own this fight and nothing can help the muslims when they do.
Posted by: Ronin at February 26, 2006 11:29 AM

Muslims indeed look forward to such a development. These intelligent youngsters would examine the Islamic Scriptures and they would know the injustice done to Islam. Then they would fight the biased media.

Posted by: Mohideen Ibramsha at February 26, 2006 5:07 PM

Intelligence and critical examination will fight the present bias in our media and expose Islam for the destructive ideology that it truly is.

Posted by: Lisa at February 26, 2006 5:14 PM

Folks, we have truth on our side, the muslims worst enemy is themselves. Every time one of thier spokesmen opens his mouth he puts both feet into it. Some of our own political leaders fail to see the threat or if they see it, they ignore it. So we vote them out. The last election proved we do not just blindly vote for a party. I think islam will be mentioned alot in the next election. How do I know, because we will make them explain how they see the problem and hold them accountable. True, alot of our leaders are in need of better advisors but we are waking them up.

Posted by: Ronin at February 26, 2006 5:19 PM

Mohideen,

I HAVE examined the Islamic Scriptures in some depth. It is what finally brought me to this site. And I am here at this site to fight the biased media. The media that seems unable to state the truth about what is taught in those scriptures. Those scriptures which the current Dubai Emir offers a prize for memorizing btw...

The scriptures you refer to call for death for me and mine. I am offended that publishers of the Koran keep printing that Jesus was not the son of God but "merely" a prophet. Perhaps, the Islamic world has overstepped freedom of speech and the Koran should be banned worldwide (not just in non-islamic countries) until the offense passages are removed? Perhaps I should go burn something in the street to note my offense?

The biased media you speak of, however, is not biased in the direction you would like us to beleive.

Freedom of speech allows the West to speak the truth as they see it. Until the cartoons, far too few were doing that. The response to the cartoons is far more "disrespectful" than anyone could accuse the cartoons themselves of being.

So, I am glad to hear that you welcome the youth of the world to the endless information of the internet. I do too.

And then, I encourage those western youths to fully defend and utilize their freedom of speech to speak the truth.

I just don't think you are going to like what they have to say.

Posted by: toleranceorappeasement? at February 26, 2006 5:20 PM

Mohideen Ibramsha writes:
"What happened to the ‘First Amendment’ to the American Constitution? "

As usuual, mohammadans are innately prone to
twisting the meaning of words to suit their
purposes.

The First Amendment protects the freedom of
religion as we understand it. As mohammdans like
to say, their cult is a deen, not a religion,
and encompasses politics, ass wiping, etc.

If I make up a cult who's aim it is to overthrow
the government and replace the Constitution, I
think it's fair to say that isn't a religion as
we use the word, but a scam designed to use our
respect for religion agiasnt us. No go!

"As long as Muslims are allowed to practice their religion in peace, they are free to live not only in America, but in any other non-Islamic country."

A few problems my brain damaged friend. First,
Mohammadans don't practice their cult in peace,
anywhere. Second, even if they did, the First
Amendment, and the COnstitution, only applied to
the USA.

Posted by: American at February 26, 2006 5:22 PM

Mohideen from your mouth to Gods ears, let them study islam and they will be 100% on my side, unlike your children ours are raised to make up thier own minds and always question authority. The last thing you want is American kids finding out about islam. They are not willing to trade our lifestyle for yours. The islamic warrior is a joke, I have never seen them when a force on force battle. Stick to cowardly attacks, misdirection and propaganda, you do well with those. We have the most important things, the truth and the power to use it.

Posted by: Ronin at February 26, 2006 5:30 PM

What happened to the ‘First Amendment’ to the American Constitution? As long as Muslims are allowed to practice their religion in peace, they are free to live not only in America, but in any other non-Islamic country.

What seems to confuse Muslims is that in America we have freedom of religion and freedom from religion.People are perfectly free to practice their religion, what they cannot do is impose religious dogma on free people.For example if a religion forbids the drawing of a cartoon of a so-called prophet.No one can compel a member of that religion to draw such a cartoon.However other people are free to draw a cartoon of the so-called prophet if they want.As no religion has the right to impose it dogma on a free society.That's Democracy 101.

Posted by: Roxane at February 26, 2006 5:41 PM

How is it that mohammedans are free to practice their "religion" in the USA when that "religion" openly advocates replacing our constitution with sharia law and our government with a caliphate by any means deemed nessary?

Posted by: dms at February 26, 2006 6:00 PM

Dr. Pepper said

Let's not reverse the importance and nature of the tool and the project.

Project: Worldwide Caliphate with Shar'ia law installed globally. Non-Muslims killed, converted to Islam, or allowed to live in dhimmitude. That's the three choices offered to infidels.

Tool: violent jihad (in Kashmir, Chechnya, Sudan, Israel, Iraq, Philipines, Malaysia,...), or non-violent jihad (in U.S., U.K., Canada, France...).

If I understand you correctly, you're mainly concerned about one of the Tools: violent jihad. I am concerned about the Project as well. Even if the Project is brought about by non-violent deception and corruption and influence-peddling and by the stifling of free discussion, the end result is still violent. If Shar'ia is installed non-violently, the results of living under Shar'ia will still be violent. We saw the soccer stadiums in Afghanistan turned into death stadiums, where infidels and Muslims-who-were-not-quite-Muslim-enough were beheaded/hanged/shot in public executions.

I'm sorry to inform many Jihad Watchers that Islam's non-military jihad has, at least in one important respect, already won: it was victorious long ago

Nonsense. I'm disheartened at how far down we've gone, but there is no way I'm ready to concede defeat. We have just barely begun to fight the non-military jihad. Martel360 asked

My question is, Did all the Nazi's get a pass because there were a few decent and "nice" acting Nazis??

Posted by: special_guest at February 26, 2006 6:20 PM

Mohideen sez:

"...What happened to the ‘First Amendment’ to the American Constitution? As long as Muslims are allowed to practice their religion in peace, they are free to live not only in America, but in any other non-Islamic country..."

Mohideen, we've been there before: You know very well that if you follow Mohammed, if you rape and rob and kill people in order to forcibly convert them, you will end up in Jail or dead.

Don't take my word for it: Just try it!

You should have noticed by now that we are actively working to change Mohammedan immigration, which is obviously of no benefit to any western nation. By infiltrating western countries under false pretenses and swearing to uphold the constitution and a political system which you then seek to overthrow and to replace with a 7th century tribal 'law' (which you call 'sharia') is nothing short of treason and sedition. We have laws against that and they will be implemented.

Internment and deportations NOW!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 26, 2006 6:42 PM

special guest,

We could be talking past each other, and disagreeing on the surface, but agreeing in substance.

Or not quite.

1) Tool and Project: Your post helps me to clarify what I meant. It's more complex: In the arsenal of Islam, there are two Tools and one ultimate Project:

Tool #1: military jihad (includes subsets 1a) Terrorism and 1b) outright Warfare: the West has not seen 1b in over 300 years, and has not seen truly threatening 1b in at least over 600 years)

Tool #2: non-military jihad.

Ultimate Project: Global domination.

Where it gets complex is that Tool #2 is principally, directly geared to facilitate Tool #1. It is Tool #1 (currently in the form of 1a) that is, and always has been throughout Islamic history, directly geared to faciliate the Project. To repeat: Tool #2 is not by itself a danger. It is only a danger insofar as it is linked with Tool #1. Important proviso: the historically unprecedented, spectacular global geopolitical dominance of the West has created a parallel culture in Islam whereby Tool #2 is not always geared to be linked up with Tool #1 (but that's a minor point, since we as Infidels must rationally suspect all manifestations of Tool #2 as potentially dangerous).

"Even if the Project is brought about by non-violent deception and corruption and influence-peddling and by the stifling of free discussion, the end result is still violent."

Tool #2 (non-military jihad) cannot pose any such danger to the West, because the West is so spectacularly dominant and superior and robust -- no matter how much PC idiocy reigns, no matter how much corruption and decadence of traditional morals abounds.

"If Shar'ia is installed non-violently, the results of living under Shar'ia will still be violent."

Sharia cannot be installed non-violently in the spectacularly dominant West -- unless violent means accompany it.

"We saw the soccer stadiums in Afghanistan turned into death stadiums, where infidels and Muslims-who-were-not-quite-Muslim-enough were beheaded/hanged/shot in public executions."

You (like Hugh constantly does) are mixing apples and oranges. Afghanistan was a country that a) in the distant past had already been violently conquered by Muslims and b) in recent history had been violently attacked and overthrown by Muslims. No such situation exists in the West: the last time such a situation existed was in the 15th century when Muslims violently conquered the southeastern flank of Europe, the Eastern Roman Empire, and before that beginning in the 8th century when Muslims violently conquered the southwestern flank of Europe, the Iberian peninsula.

I wrote: I'm sorry to inform many Jihad Watchers that Islam's non-military jihad has, at least in one important respect, already won: it was victorious long ago

"Nonsense. I'm disheartened at how far down we've gone, but there is no way I'm ready to concede defeat."

We have in fact been defeated in, as I wrote: at least in one important respect (I choose my words very carefully): to wit: the PC whitewashing of Islam. To deny that is not only silly, but downright perilous. The PC whitewashing of Islam is one significant victory for the non-military jihad: it reverberates all around us and flexes its muscles in our academic institutions, in our media, in our government, in various domains throughout our society even among ordinary Europeans and Americans who are PC-brainwashed -- and Muslims could not have won that particular victory without enormous help from gullible PC idiots in the West. Victories can be reversed. There is hope. But there will be less hope if we persist in the obtusely stubborn conceit (evidenced time and time again by Jihad Watchers from the top down) that this PC whitewashing of Islam is not a grave cultural defeat we have brought upon ourselves in the last 50-odd years.

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at February 26, 2006 7:03 PM

Mohideen wrote: "As long as Muslims are allowed to practice their religion in peace, they are free to live not only in America, but in any other non-Islamic country."

Mohideen, to become a citizen of the United States, every immigrant, including Muslims, must take the following solemn oath:

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God. In acknowledgement whereof I have hereunto affixed my signature."

If he refuses to take this oath, the immigrant may not become a citizen. If he takes this oath only as a deception (e.g., Muslim taqiyya), and does not live up to its provisions, that is grounds for revoking citizenship and deportation.

No one is free to come to or live in the United States if his goal is the destruction of our Constitution.

That Muslims lie about their hostile intentions all the time is not surprising, given the utterly vile and self-serving teachings of the Koran concerning the dealing with and treatment of the other, both the infidels and the dhimmi.

That our government frequently gives Muslims a pass on this outrageous ideology, out of a misguided sense of compassion, is just plain stupid.

That our citizens at large--through the internet services, a free press, critical analysis, open discussion, cartoons (!), and self-education--are finding out the truth about islam (in spite of all the pernicious dawa, taqiyya, and kitman) means that the door is going to slam shut on Islam.

Our compassion is fading toward those who are not compassionate. Our tolerance is drying up toward those who are not tolerant. Our kindness is evaporating for those who are not kind. Our offer of freedom will be withdrawn from those who choose not to be free.

Posted by: Stendec at February 26, 2006 7:09 PM

What happened to the ‘First Amendment’ to the American Constitution? As long as Muslims are allowed to practice their religion in peace, they are free to live not only in America, but in any other non-Islamic country.
- Mohideen Ibramsha

Right here you have a problem: (and pay careful attention):

Cartoon Jihad just proved that Islam is not compatible even with the 'First Ammendment' Yet, when it is convenient, Muslims (like Mohideen Ibramsha) hide behind 'First Ammandment' to wage Dawa, which will morph into a silent Jihad. Given time, opportunity and ammunition, a grows into a full-fledged Jihad against Dar-al-Harb!

.. all thanks to US Constitution & First Ammendment, which (the likes of Mohideen Ibramsha will never admit to), is Un-Islamic!

Clever, very clever!!

Posted by: Alert at February 26, 2006 7:21 PM

This article should make one pause:

http://canadafreepress.com/2006/jonsson022506.htm
Dubai Ports — Strategic Implications
By David J. Jonsson
Saturday, February 25, 2006
Posted by: scribe10 at February 26, 2006 11:33 AM

We find the following in the above article:
===
An Islamic Sukuk bond is structured by bundling leasing transactions but b