I guess I will be getting some significant punishment if they get their way. I will NEVER follow any of their "religious" doctrines.
I hope the secular and Christian Palestinians can reign in their new leadership.

Posted by: disciple at February 26, 2006 3:40 PM

This past Friday, Feb. 24, however, the plan went public. Sheikh Nawahda called publicly for the renewal of the Islamic Khalifate, which would "unite all the Moslems in the world against the infidels."

Dont you just love that "against"? There are Christians whove called for the reuniting of the Christian churches, but not against anyone.

(Please excuse the typing: this keyboard is broken.)

Posted by: Yojimbo at February 26, 2006 3:41 PM

Hi all,

The calipha is a wonderful subject to discuss.

Being an Ahmadi we are already on our 4th Calipah and we are committed to peaceful dawa.

The Quadani movement started in India (now in Pakistan) the 1800s and thus far we have 10Million peaceful followers.

As the dawa becomes more successful we will branch out but our roots will always be Pakistan.

Be in grateful for that....the sunni or the shia will only be happy with (their) Calipah in the whitehouse (circa 2050). ....the only saving grace...........at least he will be muslims.

Posted by: Naseem at February 26, 2006 3:59 PM

The antiChrist is busy already....

Posted by: Carolyn2 at February 26, 2006 4:04 PM

What do you expect from a moon god worshipping cult? Allah always wanted blood sacrifies and it was very easy to blame any non-muslim and have them sacrified.

Posted by: Sti at February 26, 2006 4:05 PM

the only saving grace...........at least he will be muslims.

Isn't that wonderful, it doesn't matter if he is a bloodthirsty child raping tyrant, as long as he is a muslim. What can one say in the face of such abysmal foolishness?

One would think that a mother would be more worried about the future of her children if a Sunni or Shia became the new Calipha.

Your fellow muslims have plans for you that don't involve rainbows, and ponies, and flowers, and fluffy white kittens, Naseem.

Posted by: treehugger at February 26, 2006 4:18 PM

oh Naseem you should not reveal your vividly wild dreams to us infidels or is it a comedy act you muslims love doing. mmm by 2050, there will be a replacement for oil.. so the fat butt of the holy imman muslims can part it on the sand, land of the empthy. land of desert, mulims can become one with nature, and look no mecca.. yeah it was bombed out by infidels after iran tried to blow up Europe and Israel.. Pakistan, becomes Hindu again.. returning to the country of origin "India"! oh sitting in the White House, we can get a smart women there finally!

Posted by: Lulu at February 26, 2006 4:24 PM

"By Damir Ahmed, IOL correspondent

KRASNODAR, Russia, July 24, (IslamOnline.net) - The United States has agreed to grant citizenship to 7,000 Ahiska Muslims who will be settled in Pennsylvania, reported a Russian newspaper on Friday, July 23."

http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2004-07/24/article04.shtml

Yup George, your a true patriot.

Posted by: witness at February 26, 2006 4:26 PM

So it'll be MIRV against Allah, eventually, if the nut-ocracy with Islam isn't restrained by their "moderates".

But, the "moderates" want the Restored Caliphate also, it's just that they want it brought in quietly, through the back door.

Much easier to strangle those asleep with the gift pillows you gave them (inscribed with the sampler slogan "Religion of Peace") than struggle with the infidels once you clumsily wake them up by crowing like a bunch of cocky roosters.

The Dome of the Rock looks like a big alarm clock to me.

Is Bush still napping?

Posted by: profitsbeard at February 26, 2006 4:26 PM

The real crime is that this Islamic dipshit is spouting his BS on Jewish holy land. Not just anywhere but on the Temple Mount. Here's hoping that someday soon all the Muslim buildings are cleared off and it becomes a place for Jewish worship. Not for satanic babblings of conquest.

If Iran's nukes get obliterated I can only pray that the Muslim stuff on the Temple Mount also gets wasted in the battles, confusion and uprisings that will follow. A settling of scores so to speak.

Posted by: dennisw at February 26, 2006 4:32 PM

Is this the smart nasseem posting or the retarded one? Hmmm ... seems to be the retard one.

Posted by: dennisw at February 26, 2006 4:35 PM

I support a new calaphate. Shocking, nah consider most muslims are not arabs. Islam doesn't recognize borders but people do. Once any muslim is stupid enough to claim the title of Caliph all the other sects will quickly discredit him (sorry no female caliphs)and muslim civil war breaks out. All the large groups will claim it has the "true" caliph and even more fighting will breakout. They will even fight as to0 the location to rule from. Baghdad, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, somewhere in the EU, let them all have one. All you ever hear them say is how wonderful a new Caliph will be, I agree 100%, kill yourselves off and give us a rest.

Posted by: Ronin at February 26, 2006 4:40 PM

The so called 'holy men' in charge of this religion, are bearded lunatic's responsible for the actions of the mental cases who listen to the freaks.

Their ideology is in past centuries and they seek revenge for having their butt's kicked back to the desert during the Crusade's.

These people are fully aware of the evil of their actions and should be treated accordingly.

I recently heard of a new medical procedure, which greatly alleviates their penchant for mass slaughter and dominance. The treatment is manufactured by a company called 'Remington'. Treatment is given by a single injection of twelve calibre lead, it can be administered very quickly and effectively and completely cures their penchant for slaughtering innocent persons.

Posted by: Ken at February 26, 2006 4:41 PM

In some ways I understand the reluctance of so many of our elected leaders, Democrat and Republican, as well as the media, to recognize the true nature of the threat Islam represents. When I began to educate myself about Islam, I did not want to believe anything that contradicted Islam being religion of peace. I didn't want to believe that Islam does not respect other religions and ways of life. But the overwhelming evidence forced me to face the truth of Islam's anti-human and anti-God philosophy. The truth ultimately doesn't care what we want.

The Islamic world's insane reaction to the cartoons of the Prophet is waking people up, if slower than we would like. People who didn't want to hear me talk about Islam are now grudgingly admiting I may have had some valid points. Hopefully Sheik Nawahda's and others of his ilk's statements will start to receive some wider exposure and generate scrutiny, both in what they say and do. The more Islams true motives and it's real face receive exposure, the more people will realize the nature of the threat.

It's going to take a politician of unpresedented courage to speak out and take a stand agasinst Islam, though. We need him to do it soon...

Posted by: Proud Infidel at February 26, 2006 4:58 PM

"The Crusades Part III" Coming to a Mosque near you! It is just a matter of time. Our obsequious and pandering behaviour has only emboldened these pinheads into thinking their Moslem Khalifate is attainable. Their belligerent actions are prima facia evidence that they believe the time is right.

Posted by: ARAKIS at February 26, 2006 5:05 PM

Proud Infidel posted: People who didn't want to hear me talk about Islam are now grudgingly admiting I may have had some valid points.

Great. For over two decades I have been telling people, that allowing muslims into the West will have dire consequence. I was listened with amused tolerance. Not anymore. They are now concerned, but unable to comprehend and accept what needs doing to get rid of the threat.

Posted by: DP111 at February 26, 2006 5:08 PM

This Sheikh has nothing to worry about, as the Jizya from the US and Europe in on the way, and soon enough Israel will also pay up.

TERRORISM PAYS. The more the terror, the more we will pay. We will pay any price, suffer any hardship and pay the Jizya.

Posted by: DP111 at February 26, 2006 5:14 PM

"I recently heard of a new medical procedure, which greatly alleviates their penchant for mass slaughter and dominance. The treatment is manufactured by a company called 'Remington'. Treatment is given by a single injection of twelve calibre lead, it can be administered very quickly and effectively and completely cures their penchant for slaughtering innocent persons."
Ken, I can one up you on islamo-cancer removal treatments, I go for the Armalite cure. With Armalite, I can zap 30 naseems with 5.56mm love before reloading. What's realy nice about 5.56mm love is that you can purchase JOOISH ammo to shoot islamonazis with, yes, IDF ball ammo is out there & at wholesale prices, bless our Hebrew allies!
Another nice feature about the Armalite islamo-cure is that you can snick a bayonet on it.. I like to grease mine with pork fat to stick naseems with!

Posted by: Armalite at February 26, 2006 5:48 PM

So many of these ranting Imams are not in the least interested in preaching the truth. Their main interest is to stir up the great unwashed of the ummah and this is easy. If we ever get hit by a Muslim nuke we should take out Mecca-Medina-Qom then work our way down the list to firing cruise missiles into every extremist mosque we can find. And ya know what? There will be no riots, just wholesale abandonment of this revanchist cult of blood.

Posted by: dennisw at February 26, 2006 5:53 PM

"It's going to take a politician of unpresedented courage to speak out and take a stand agasinst Islam, though. We need him to do it soon..."

I think that politician is already negotiating for a coastal villa somewhere along the coast of Saudi Arabia.

If we're smart, we should do the same thing before the American politicians buy up all the best properties.

Posted by: witness at February 26, 2006 5:58 PM

Armalite-

While "carrying" is always recommnded in bad neighborhoods (I prefer a .25 in an ankle holster), I prefer to soft anti-Da'wa.

I remember telling friends over for dinner, in 1991, just as the mis-named "Gulf War" (really the War Against Iraq I") was about to begin, while we discussed Islam:

"We should never have sold them [Islamic believers anywhere] any higher technology than the wheel...."

The wife of an older friend (a guy who taught and wrote about the Roman Empire, although he knew little of Islam) said:

"But didn't they preserve the classics during the Dark Ages?".

Rather than go deep into this Myth of Europe sunk in ignorant barbarism and grunting in the shadows of illiteracy for 1,000 years, or the canard of Islam's "Saving of the Heritage of the Classical World While Benighted Europeans Were Painting Themselves Blue and Eating Raw Meat In Mud", I simply replied:

"Not really. They only saved what they could use to further their own dogmas. More often medical texts and mathematical treatises than anything we would think of as intellectual works challenging their beliefs ...like philosophy, or literature or science. But no matter what they did save, it doesn't mean much now, because Islam never went through an Age of Reason, or a Reformation, or an Enlightenment. Everything ends up either destroyed as heretical or distorted to agree with Mohammad, then used as a weapon to further their faith."

Knowing what theocratic rule did for the European and New Worlds, under other, more 'blessed are the peacemakers'-tamed religious sects, I did not want to see an even worse creed make the attempt to gain earthly dominion.

Especially not with modern armaments.

As the book / and film "The Name of The Rose" showed: [censored] scholastic arguments by Aristotle (and Plato) could easily be warped to defend the religious claims of anyone in power. The 'Christian' rulers and theologians from that period used the legalistic arguments and cunning tricks of Cynical and Stoical logic, stolen from the ancients, to prop up the irrationalities of their belief. Islam did the same.

Religion and worldly power are like joining nitroglycerine and a jackhammer.

Mix them, and suffer their fatal incapability.

I'll fight any creed's attempt to rule.

Forever.

Posted by: profitsbeard at February 26, 2006 6:26 PM

Plan for the Return of the Khalifate
The Guiding Helper Foundation
http://www.guidinghelper.com/pdf/r_khlft.pdf
(Produced By the Guiding Helper Foundation Under the
Auspices of Abu Qanit al-Sharif al-Hasani)

Posted by: jeffreyimm at February 26, 2006 6:48 PM

David Warren has an insightful article

One cannot keep up with all these events -- the wheels of history are turning too quickly. The world in which we will find ourselves, a few years hence, will not resemble the world we inhabited a few years ago. Yet this is among the few predictions that can be safely made. The events will fall out as unpredictably as those Danish cartoons. The names, dates, and places are not yet recorded; but the shape and scale of events is already blotting the sun on our horizon.

Even after the experience of the Great War, and the Depression, people on the eve of the Hitler war could not appreciate what was coming. It is only in retrospect that we understand what happened as the 1930s progressed -- when a spineless political class, eager at any price to preserve a peace that was no longer available, performed endless demeaning acts of appeasement to the Nazis; while the Nazis created additional grievances to extract more.

http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/

Read the others on the site if you have the time.

Posted by: DP111 at February 26, 2006 6:55 PM

Naseem,

I see that you identify as a Quadani Ahmadi.

Back on February 15, 2006, on Dhimmiwatch, Mr. Spencer posted a letter which included a statement about Pakistani passport procedures:

"A letter from a courageous Pakistani woman: "Pakistani viewpoint," in the Milpitas Post (thanks to Andrew Bostom):

Dear Editor,
I was saddened to read the letter of Javed Altaf in the Milpitas Post dated Feb 2, "Text clashes extremist, moderate Hindus." As a woman from Pakistan who immigrated to the United States, I would like to tell everyone that there are people in Pakistan who do not show such hatred toward others.

I grew up in Pakistan and we were always taught to hate India, Israel and America. Our school books described Christians, Jews and Hindus as evil people, and unfortunately most Pakistanis exhibit a lot of hatred because of this. I was ashamed when Pakistanis celebrated on the streets after innocent people were killed in the Sept. 11 attacks. Even when I got my passport, I had to sign a statement on the application form that I consider the leader of Qadiani group of Muslims to be an imposter and his followers to be non-Muslim. I felt uncomfortable signing it as I somehow thought it is a hateful thing to do. To all Qadiani brothers and sisters, I wish to apologize on behalf of Pakistanis and say I am truly sorry I signed the statement..."

What's up with that? Why such hatred of your leaders, and your sect, and you, by fellow followers of islam?

Posted by: del at February 26, 2006 7:00 PM

From the DT

France and the European Commission are leading a diplomatic drive to unblock £23 million in EU funding for the Palestinian Authority, without waiting for Hamas to renounce violence or recognise Israel.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=KITFF4XOOCSPNQFIQMGCFF4AVCBQUIV0?xml=/news/2006/02/27/wmid27.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/02/27/ixportal.html

Posted by: DP111 at February 26, 2006 7:57 PM

"unite all the Moslems in the world against the infidels."
--from the article above

This has been standard Muslim doctrine since the 7th century. Why should it surprise?

The only surprise is that now, with the OPEC trillions, and the Musilm millions now behind enemy lines in Europe and North America, with the Infidels still refusing to understand what they have allowed to happen, that suddenly a group of Infidels, in the American government, have discovered that one group of Muslims would never ever have any truck with the notion of joining "all the Moslems in the world against infidels."

Who are those remarkable Muslim exceptions to the Muslim rule? They are the rulers, and the citizens, of the statelets that make up the United Arab Emirates. They are the "friends" to us the Infidels. They are our "allies." They are our "staunch allies." They would never do us harm. They would always try to protect us.

And that is why those who raise questions about this deal with the U.A.E. are simply "anti-Arab bigots" and "Islamophobes." They are not fit to reason with. They have no place among decent people. Ask David Brooks. Ask Lawrence Kudlow. Ask many of those busy writinig editorials at the Wall Street Journal. Ask George Bush.

They are the "realists." They know that the desire for gain, cupidity, makes the whole world kin, and those Gucci-loafered U.A.E. businessmen are no different -- not one whit different -- from similar grasping businessmen all over the Western world.

That is their Creed. That is their Article of Faith. Islam has no relevance. Islam is definitely irrelevant.

Posted by: Hugh at February 26, 2006 8:57 PM

Sheikh Nawahda called publicly for the renewal of the Islamic Khalifate, which would "unite all the Moslems in the world against the infidels."

Someone please remind me again why the Islamic waqf is in control of Jewish and Christian holy sites in Jerusalem?

Posted by: special_guest at February 26, 2006 8:59 PM

I support the ruthless crushing of anyone who embraces these supremacist sentiments. Let's hope in the near future many more Muslims admit that this is the true desire of their heart -- once this filth is out in the open, rather than hidden behind endless Muslim lies and deceptions, we can mobilize Westerners to repel their Islamic onslaught.

We need a lot more Muslim filth like Naseem, Ibrahim Hooper, and Sheikh Nawahda pronouncing their absurd supremacist ideology -- it's a salve to my heart to see how, once they become inspired at their prospects, the Muslims drop their pious empty platitudes and speak openly and freely about the triumphalism of Islam.

Until the majority of non-Muslims recognize the Nazi nature of Islam, we are restrained from taking out the rats nest of Islam from our domains. These pronouncements by these various Islamic vermin are fantastic developments. Let's hope they keep it up!

Posted by: jsla at February 26, 2006 9:11 PM

http://www.israellycool.com/blog/_archives/2006/2/26/1784250.html

Tom and Jewry

Tom and Jerry, the lovable cat and mouse locked in cartoon combat, is a Jewish conspiracy, according to an Iranian official.

Prof. Hasan Bolkhari, a cultural advisor to the Iranian Education Ministry, delivered the news last week on Iran's Channel 4 during a broadcast of film seminar where he was lecturing. An excerpt of the video was translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute.

"The Jewish Walt Disney Company gained international fame with this cartoon," said Bolkhari. "It is still shown throughout the world. This cartoon maintains its status because of the cute antics of the cat and mouse – especially the mouse.

"Some say that the main reason for making this very appealing cartoon was to erase a certain derogatory term that was prevalent in Europe."

According to the professor, "Tom and Jerry" was created to irradicate the association between mice and Jews created in the minds of Europeans by Hitler.

"If you study European history, you will see who was the main power in hoarding money and wealth in the 19th century," continued Bolkhari. "In most cases, it is the Jews. Perhaps that was one of the reasons which caused Hitler to begin the anti-Semitic trend, and then the extensive propaganda about the crematoria began. ... Some of this is true. We do not deny all of it.

"Watch 'Schindler's List.' Every Jew was forced to wear yellow star on his clothing. The Jews were degraded and termed 'dirty mice.' 'Tom and Jerry' was made in order to change the Europeans' perception of mice. One of terms used was 'dirty mice.'

"It should be noted that mice are very cunning ... and dirty."

"Tom and Jerry," the creation of Joe Barbera and Bill Hanna, was created in 1939, the year World War II began and while the Holocaust was in full force, for the MGM cartoon studios, not Disney. During the next 18 years, Hanna and Barbera created over 200 cartoons featuring Tom and Jerry, earning the pair seven Academy Awards. Today, "Tom and Jerry" is owned by Turner Entertainment.

"If you happen to watch this cartoon tomorrow, bear in mind the points I have just raised," said Bolkhari, "and watch it from this perspective. The mouse is very clever and smart. Everything he does is so cute. He kicks the poor cat's a--. Yet this cruelty does not make you despise the mouse. He looks so nice, and he is so clever. ... This is exactly why some say it was meant to erase this image of mice from the minds of European children, and to show that the mouse is not dirty and has these traits. Unfortunately, we have many such cases in Hollywood shows."

Interesting theory, but its got about as many holes as Jerry's swiss cheese. Here's one for starters: Walt Disney was certainly not Jewish, and, in fact, was allegedly a rabid anti-Semite.

Posted by: scribe10 at February 26, 2006 9:40 PM

"The Jewish Walt Disney Company gained international fame with this cartoon," said Bolkhari. "It is still shown throughout the world. This cartoon maintains its status because of the cute antics of the cat and mouse – especially the mouse.

=================================================

Joe Barbera was about to apply for work with Disney, when a rival of Disney convinced him to work for him instead. This cartooning adventure led to the formation of the MGM cartoon studios, where Joe Barbera met his partner for over 50 years, Bill Hanna.

+++Nice one you iranian idiot, tom and jerry wasn't a disney cartoon.

Wonder what color the sky is on his planet.

Posted by: fireangel at February 26, 2006 11:55 PM

Ken I'll 2nd that.

Posted by: parainvesta at February 27, 2006 12:04 AM

Now, that Israel permits moslems to give such a speech on the Temple Mount, while banning Jews just because they are Jewish, is truly remarkable, but, then again, it is exactly what happens when leftists are allowed to run the government and the Supreme Court.

In other disturbing news, Likud's Silvan Shalom, who is second in command to Bibi Netanyahu on Likud's election list, is ready to form a political coalition with Labor. Said Shalom over the weekend in Ynet News, "We have served in a government with the Labor Party, and there is no reason we cannot do it again. Whoever thinks that these elections are sealed is mistaken."

Why anyone still calls the concessionist Likud Party "rightwing" or "nationalist" is beyond me. They are basically indistinguishable from Labor and Kadima, so if they merge with either of the two other parties to form a coalition what difference does it make? Corrupt Leftist vs. Corrupt Leftist vs. Corrupt Leftist are the only options the 3 major political parties have to offer Israeli voters.

Thankfully, on the NO CAPITULATION political front, Hazit Party leader Baruch Merzel was campaigning Sunday to ALL Jews who have had it with idiotic concessions and "good will gestures" to the moslem vermin. Yet, he is doing so in a way that is true outreach rather than caving in to leftwing pressure like we see from all the other so-called rightwing parties.

Merzel was on the campaign trail speaking with students about how his Party is not an advocate of theocracy, as the liberal media falsely reports, but is an all inclusive nationalist party trying to make Israel a true Jewish State. Said Merzel, "Religion is something internal. You may not wear a kippa and I may wear one, but it has nothing to do with whether you are a good Jew or a bad Jew. We have people with and without kippot on our list. We share the belief that we need a Jewish state and that religion cannot and should not be forced. Half of our support comes from Jews who are not outwardly religious."

http://madzionistblogoff.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Madzionist at February 27, 2006 12:10 AM

Sheikh Nawahda called publicly for the renewal of the Islamic Khalifate, which would "unite all the Moslem's in the world against the infidels."

Oh, so all Muslims will be united when there is carnage somewhere in the world. There will be no more of this " But, they aren't following islam properly" Lies spewed from Imams. Muslims are already united under Muhammad, but what the heck, if they want a physical leader, that's their business, it has no effect on me. In fact, it will be fun to watch muslims slaughter each other over who this "caliph" will be. History has shown, the Caliphate has a very short life expectancy.

The Khalifate system features a leader, known as a Khalif, who heads worldwide Islam. Assisted by a ten-man council, his decisions are totally binding on all Muslims.

As said, all muslims will be in agreement that when some slaughtering of jews, Infidels of all sorts around the world occurs, Muslims will be united and agree, that this is the face of Islam. Jolly good then. This will cut out a whole lot of debate, and will finally make it clear to Western politicians exactly what Islam represents.

According to the Foundation's vision of the Khalifate, significant punishment can only be meted out for 14 crimes, including "accusing a chaste person of fornication," "not performing the formal prayer," and "not fasting during Ramadan."

This means "14 guarantied ways to die" for Muslims all around the world. Each law has about 1,000 related clauses. And just wait until you see the punishments you can receive that don't result in death! 75 ways to loose your right hand. 75 ways to loose your left hand, tongue, feet, arms legs, eyes, ears, nose, toes, and the dangling thing.

And Muslims think that non- Muslims are going to "ALLOW" this? HAHAHAHA! Good luck Muslims, you can follow a world wide caliphate all you like, but it has NO meaning in the secular world especially when it violate OUR laws, which apply to everyone.

Hi all,

Hi Naseem!

The caliphate is a wonderful subject to discuss.

it sure is!

Being an Ahmadi we are already on our 4th Calipah and we are committed to peaceful dawa.

I see that! There have been plenty of peaceful murders at the hands of muslims in Pakistan and elsewhere in the world lately. It's been so peaceful, I'm almost overcome with Joy!
Why don't you explain to everyone here exactly what your definition of "peaceful" is? I'll bet you it is vastly different than what "peaceful" means to the sane world, and t Jesus Christ the LORD.

The Quadani movement started in India (now in Pakistan) the 1800s and thus far we have 10Million peaceful followers.

Wow! That's amazing! How many have all their limbs? How many have lost family members before they decided to "convert"? That "peaceful" Quadani movement sure looks like it can be a bloody massacre at times to the rest of us. Perhaps our eyes deceive us, and everyone else is lying when they describe the ongoing Quandani "jihad" Or "struggle for inner peace".

As the dawa becomes more successful we will branch out but our roots will always be Pakistan.

So, you dawa isn't as successful as you claim in otherwords? Your "10 million followers" may be slightly exaggerated by oh, lets say 9 million? There are still pockets of resistance that need to be slaughtered.. err.. convinced with the "peace weapon" ?

Be in grateful for that....the sunni or the shia will only be happy with (their) Calipah in the whitehouse (circa 2050). ....the only saving grace...........at least he will be muslims.

I think you are misinterpreting this article. It says that the MUSLIM word wants to re-establish a world wide caliphate, one leader who will dictate to all MUSLIMS. That does not mean all HUMANS.

It will have no control in the secular world, western society, America, and any other country which has secular government democracies. There will be no Caliphate in the white house. We already HAVE a system of government, there cannot be two systems of government. I'm afraid your silly Muslim dream is meaningless. If you want to live in the Islamic world under a single caliphate which controls it all, you will have to move back to an Islamic country, which I encourage you do do anyways.

If you want to live here, you have to live according to OUR laws, not Islams. Islamic law only applies to you when you are alone in your bedroom.(doing whatever you do there) According to OUR laws, you can't even force Islamic laws on any member of your own family, because under OUR SECULAR LAWS, they each are entitled to the rights guarantied under our constitution.

Allah is the NAME of a rock -bar.

Christ is the real Lord.

Posted by: Mullahmasher at February 27, 2006 2:24 AM

Can anyone confirm this report aside of the Israeli National News citation?

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at February 27, 2006 2:27 AM

oh sitting in the White House, we can get a smart women there finally!
Posted by: Lulu

HEY!!! Now that's just going too far! /s

Posted by: Mullahmasher at February 27, 2006 2:28 AM

Silver linings.

KARACHI - Spring is only a month away, and preparations for Nauroz (the Persian new year) are well under way. In Iran this year, however, Nauroz was due to come with a deadly dimension: the start of a new phase of a broad-based anti-US resistance movement stretching from Afghanistan to Jerusalem.

Wednesday's attack on a revered shrine in Iraq could change all this.

The aim of these people in Iran is to establish a chain of anti-US resistance groups that will take the offensive before the West makes its expected move against Tehran.

With Wednesday's attack on the Golden Mosque in Samarra in Iraq, home to a revered Shi'ite shrine, the dynamics have changed overnight.

The anti-US resistance movement had wanted to use Shi'ite Iran as the final base to link the resistance groups of this whole region. If the current volatile situation results in Shi'ites sitting on one side, and Sunnis and al-Qaeda-linked groups on the other, this is unlikely to happen.

Instead, Iraq could become a new battlefield, not only against US-led forces, but between different factions. Iran, meanwhile, would be left to deal with the West on its own.

Posted by: zhu97 at February 27, 2006 3:13 AM

"What's up with that? Why such hatred of your leaders, and your sect, and you, by fellow followers of islam?
Posted by: del

Qadianis are a cut-throat spin off group which stem from the shia's. They are considered heretics, and are responsible for a lot of carnage over Islamic history.

The infamous mad caliph of Egypt, Al-Hakim bi Amr Illah (the one who rules by God's command), was a mass murderer, He was a Shi'ite heretic, or Qadianis.

When they are not actually torturing and killing fellow Muslims, they collaborate with their enemies, as a group of these Shi'a heritics did with Ghengis Khan's Mongol invaders, which caused devastation in Musilm and non-Muslim lands from China to central Europe.

They in effect brought an end to the Islamic crusades. Muslims still blame these splinter Shia heritic group for that to this day.

When they cannot find a home in the Muslim world, they seek refuge with the non-Muslims: in the case of the Qadianis, that means the UK, and other European countries, and (of all places) Israel.

Peaceful dawa indeed, LOL!

Posted by: Mullahmasher at February 27, 2006 3:13 AM

That was from the mouth of Muslims. For those who want to know more ; The Qadiani Sect check it out.

Posted by: Mullahmasher at February 27, 2006 3:46 AM

In fact, since our pal Naseem claims to be from from the Quadani Ahmadi (Qadiani Ahmadiyya) sect, (Punjab) He is even more deceitful than you may think according to this writing. His group is a sect within the sect, and numbers far fewer than a million.
It's pretty bad when even muslims call them terrorists. LoL!

Posted by: Mullahmasher at February 27, 2006 4:23 AM

As the book / and film "The Name of The Rose" showed: [censored] scholastic arguments by Aristotle (and Plato) could easily be warped to defend the religious claims of anyone in power.

Neither Aristotle nor Plato was a Scholastic: it is not what the term means.

As for the laughable plot, it is mostly based on Umberto Eco's making the lost Aristotelian writings mean whatever he wanted them to mean. This is nothing to do with history. It is ideology: Continental European Marxism mixed with "semiotic" cant.

Posted by: Yojimbo at February 27, 2006 4:56 AM

Hello Del,

I see you brought that letter up again from "a courageous Pakistani woman". This woman is a traitor to her faith. How can you sign to somethiing that lies about who you are.
I read some sikh history and was very impressed by their faith. To prefer death rather than convert to Islam (shame because we could do with these kind of courageous people for Islam) and to endure fantastic amounts of torture and still smile....what kind of faith provides this type of courage.....which is why I read extracts of the sikh faith.....impressive.

Now compare this courage.... to that chicken s*it, who couldn't sign the form quickly enough.....now she feels guilty does she...well we are better off without her kind. Even as a woman it is better to die believing in your faith than to live a lie.

Jsla says "I support the ruthless crushing of anyone who embraces these supremacist sentiments". .....yes I know jsla...but you won't be able to .....poor you ....the real problem for you is gonna be ......yes....freedom of speech .......surprise....it's a bitch ain't it.

Jsla also says "We need a lot more Muslim filth like Naseem, Ibrahim Hooper, and Sheikh Nawahda pronouncing their absurd supremacist ideology -- it's a salve to my heart to see how, once they become inspired at their prospects, the Muslims drop their pious empty platitudes and speak openly and freely about the triumphalism of Islam".

THIS is a SUPREMELY important statement that you make my friend. You see Allah (SWT is back) teaches us that ULTIMATE dawa is that "where you tell people (even your sworn enemies) what is round the corner .....and then make them see the light of conversion to Islam" ....this is the only true "aasmaani" work....it is the "muksad" (true work or focus) of all true muslims....it is why you are born into Islam. Once you know this truth .....how can you not be true to your work. I believe that you have bad "Taqdeer" if you don't do this work when you know the truth.

I believe in the Unity of God (Wahdaniat, God is one) and I also beleive that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the prophet of God. He was the KHATUM-UN-NABIYIN (the seal of prophets). The Quran is the last Shariat and cannot be changed ....so we are where we are.

According to the Prophecies of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W), a Mujadid (reviver) will appear on the start of each century who will revive islam and will correct the mistakes being done by the people of that time (For reference: ABU-Daud, Volume 2, chapter of "BAB-ul-Malaham"). For me this is the "calipa" of teh Ahmadi sect.

Bottom line is this.....The truth is the truth and I have told you the truth above.....you are gonna have to adapt take the truth on baord...for your own salvation....Look at this in a soft light rather than anger, I am only doing my tiny little bit to bring you this light..."be kind to me".

Posted by: Naseem at February 27, 2006 5:01 AM

Breaking News

Europe [the EU] says it will give the Palestinian Authority 120m euros ($140m) to meet people's basic needs.

The European Commission says the money will be enough to keep the authority running for a couple of months.

This follows intense discussion by the international community on whether to continue funding an authority run by the militant Hamas group.

The PA has already lost $50m of its funds a month after Israel blocked tax and duty payments in protest.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4754580.stm

Posted by: Yojimbo at February 27, 2006 5:41 AM

Bottom line is this.....The truth is the truth and I have told you the truth above.

What we want to be so and the truth are not the same. If anyone is genuinely concerned with truth let him, for a start, adopt a more modest attitude than yours to what will happen at the "start of each century".

This article, in my view, shows how the pursuit of truth and a society based on a rigid belief system (whether religious, as Islam, or ideological, as Marxist-Lennist) are incompatible.

Do read it all, Naseem. You do want to understand what the West is about, don't you?

http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/21/oct02/havana.htm

Posted by: Yojimbo at February 27, 2006 6:05 AM

Hello Mullahmasher (stupid handle)

I looked at the article you posted and it is written by Yusaf Smith....and then I lost interest. Yusaf Smith is the biggest lund going.

He is a biggoted self loving lout. If he is so Islamic...why does he call himself "smith".

He is your true enemy...not me ....he is my enemy too.

His lies know no bounds....don't put any credence to his words. Unlike me, he still wants to live in the West, have all the priviledges of free speech and spout venom...(at your expense) and you want to belive him.

Let him change his name...and live in an islamic country....then talk and I might have a minute for him.

Posted by: Naseem at February 27, 2006 6:15 AM

How to make followers of the worlds dumbest religion brains implode...

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/Sid60226.htm

Posted by: mistyhymen at February 27, 2006 6:48 AM

They already agree on who going to be Caph and the 10 men and women council. All the sect agree on this already. The Caph will most likely be Sunnis with member of other major sects on the concil.

Europe in the Dark Age lost all knowlege they have only the Irish of Irisland where able at one time read ancient greek and speak ancient Greek. That one reason many Christian laypeople and monks and Nuns went to moslim spain to learn the knowldge they lost. Not only did the Moslim presive ancient knowledge from Roman,greek, ancient Egryian,Hindist, and Chinee they add to it. The Germ Theory of Louis Pauster was discover by the knowlege in 8th century and that why moslim doctor wash they hand with strong pure alchol to kill germs before they lay hand on a pastin or operate on anyone, an they use opium as than pain killer and put the pation to sleep when operation on them. Than America doctor who did duty in Turkey before the civil war learm from the moslim the practive of being clean and dressing clean.

Posted by: DefenderofIslam at February 27, 2006 7:59 AM

Defender:

Your case was lost in the 7th century, and so are you...

Are you clean?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 27, 2006 8:18 AM

"Can anyone confirm this report aside of the Israeli National News citation?"

I found the referenced document myself at:

Plan for the Return of the Khalifate
The Guiding Helper Foundation
http://www.guidinghelper.com/pdf/r_khlft.pdf
(Produced By the Guiding Helper Foundation Under the
Auspices of Abu Qanit al-Sharif al-Hasani)

Posted by: jeffreyimm at February 27, 2006 8:22 AM

Naseem,

You didn't answer my question concerning the hatred toward your sect and its members, by various other muslims. Instead, you insulted someone you don't know, in California. Here is my question again:

Why such hatred of your leaders, and your sect, and you, by fellow followers of islam?

I can guess an answer, but would prefer a muslim perspective, or two.

Perhaps commenter, "DefenderofIslam" could assist? After all, heretics can be considered even worse than infidels, no? defender: Thank you, in advance, for any illumination you can provide.

Naseem, you also wrote:

"that chicken s*it, who couldn't sign the form quickly enough.....now she feels guilty does she...well we are better off without her kind."

Considering that you have, by your own assertions, visited a son in the UK, how quickly did you sign the form, yourself, in order to acquire a passport? Or did you not visit the UK? Or?

Mullahmasher,

You may be swallowing some misinformation, or historical revision, produced by some muslims in order to attack the heretical ahmadi (qadiani) muslims. My understanding is that the ahmadis are a nineteenth-twentieth (AD/CE) century offshoot of the shias. The ahmadis themselves splintered apart, with those known as "the qadianis" being regarded as particularly heretical, by more mainstream muslims, due to their particular reverence for the founder of ahmadiyyism [sic], the supposed mahdi, mirza ghulam qadiani (died 1908 AD/CE), and later sect leaders such as mirza mahmud ahmad (died 1965 AD/CE).

The qadianis came long after Ghengis Khan...There are some Bahais (a significantly different group of muslim heretics -- not qadianis) in Israel...yusuf smith is not a credible source of information.

Posted by: del at February 27, 2006 9:30 AM

Europe in the Dark Age lost all knowlege they have only the Irish of Irisland where able at one time read ancient greek and speak ancient Greek. That one reason many Christian laypeople and monks and Nuns went to moslim spain to learn the knowldge they lost. Not only did the Moslim presive ancient knowledge from Roman,greek, ancient Egryian,Hindist, and Chinee they add to it.

What complete and utter drivel!

The Muslim World could have fallen off the end of the world several centuries ago and the sum of human scientific knowledge would be no less. Only someone with a radical and truly barbaric ignorance of the massive achievements of modern science could think burbling about the minor achievements of people centuries ago in relation to scientific knowledge.

As for culture ... here is an example of the metalwork of "Dark Age" Europe:

http://www.engl.virginia.edu/OE/Tour/Personal.objects/Alfred.html

One could go on at length, but why bother? All this drivel about Islamic civilization. It is not hard for anyone near a library or with an internet connection to research the far greater achievements of Chinese, Mayan, or Hindu culture:

http://www.harappa.com/har/moen0.html

Posted by: Yojimbo at February 27, 2006 11:24 AM

Defender of Islam-

I thought alcohol was haram?

It could get into an open wound, or be absorbed through the skin, rendering the patient and the physician unclean, and apostates.

I'll drink to that!

Make mine a "Crescent Moon": 3 oz. ayahuasca tea*, 1 tsp. of orange honey, 3 oz. Dutch genever [gin], and a curved slice of lemon.

(*Recently legalized the the U.S. Surpeme Court for religious rites.)

Guaranteed to let you see the real face of Mohammad.

(Barf bag optional.)

Posted by: profitsbeard at February 27, 2006 2:30 PM

Islam never really had a worldwide rule anyway, not compared to the modern world as know it. Western Europe never took its marching orders from these foks. Nor did Russia nor did even China for that matter.

Not that this guy cares or has a reason to. Delusions of grandeur such as these are just too addictive to permit reality to intervene in.

Posted by: pythagoras at February 27, 2006 2:38 PM

The truth of the matter is how Western Society became sucessful is because of the Christian faith and the religious communities, monesteries, that was able to preserved the classic writings of ancient Greece and Rome. The Irish are best known for this sucess and a book about ten years ago, about how they saved Western Civilization bears this out. Other books that are much more recent also state there is a conection on how the Christian faith was able to saved Europe and rebuild Western society after the fall of Rome and the barbarian invasions. Here is a URL about how the Catholic Church built Western Civilization.

http://catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0109.html

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at February 27, 2006 3:29 PM

The above URL is about another book, about has Christianity led to the sucess of the west. This is the right URL on how the Catholic Church built up Western Society.

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0101.html

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at February 27, 2006 3:35 PM

naseem, you are a dreamin. That's never going to happen,(muslim in the Whitehouse 2050.) All the infantile and rediculous laws of islam will not sit well with Westerners. Can you imagine telling the Irish there will be no more pubs,alcohol. All in good fun Irishmen/women.

Posted by: mustang65 at February 27, 2006 5:22 PM

mustang65

naseem is dreaming. The poster forgets that the Christian faith is growing by leaps and bounds in Africa, Asia, and Latin America. Africa is showing the largest growth of in producing new Christians. The Christians of the global south can very much end up being the new missionaries to the west. It would shock naseem that by 2050, the Christian faith will be even bigger then even now. Do not worry, the Irish will stay as they are.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at February 27, 2006 5:32 PM

Profitsbeard alcohol is allow for medical reason. The painkiller and sleeping aid that use opium have to be make with wine as opium isnot watersouble. Watching hand with alcohol is strandard practive today by doctor. Cautic Soda was use to wash the operateing table and stream from boiling water use to clean the tools of operateing. It was Islamist Spain and contract with Islam that save Europe you European are trying to rewrite history. Most people die from inflect wound in europe hostipal because doctoe wore blood soak cloth when operation, didnot wash hands and tool, table was blood cover.

Even my brother who is non-moslim have to commit that the west is in moral decay with tv show like wife swap and too much sex on tv show(soap opera), that he can see why the middle east moslim called the west the devil because of our corrupt culture.

Posted by: DefenderofIslam at February 27, 2006 9:46 PM

Bigcatgirl Islam is growing in South America, Centra america, and africa and Asia also. China have 145 million moslims, and Islam is the only recognite religion in China today, moslim familty are allow 2 to 3 childern each. All that megrashift is nothing but talk, that one guy who wrote that book claim recently he convert 400,000 moslim to christian I find that hard to believe, than he did it at one event and all at once.

Hal Lindsey who write all of those books on the end of the world is going to happen in afew years time is provern wrong again and again. He prefit that the world is going to end by the end of the 1970's when China invade the Middle East.

Posted by: DefenderofIslam at February 27, 2006 9:59 PM

RE: The Khalifate system features a leader, known as a Khalif, who heads worldwide Islam. Assisted by a ten-man council, his decisions are totally binding on all Moslems.

A recipe for evil and it is truely satanic, but be my guest and elect your "Khalifate" and see how long he lives.

Posted by: learjet0450 at February 27, 2006 10:08 PM

RE: Hal Lindsey who write all of those books on the end of the world is going to happen in afew years time is provern wrong again and again.

His prediction of thr events is correct but his attempts to pin down the date of such events is wrong and also not correct by the Bible. Even Jesus said, the time of the end is known only by the Father, and not even by me.

The Bible is 30% Prophecy of which many events have come true. It even Prophesized the wild ass nature of the Arabs.

The Koran has no Prophecy because it is bogus!!!

Posted by: learjet0450 at February 27, 2006 10:20 PM

Naseem, whether it is she/he or they is really a nasty piece of work...........unfortunately indicative of all in the vicious,putrid,cult of islam.

Posted by: marilyn at February 28, 2006 12:37 AM

Naseem, I have a friend that is Ahamadiya. He had to flee Pakistan with his family because he was persecuted by other Muslims. I understand that Shia and Sunni do not consider your sect to be true Muslims. Yet you continue to celebrate the Islamic faith?
Try reading the New Testament and see what a perfect man did for you. Believe me I have read all the arguments against the bible so don't bring those up please. I have had many discussions with my Ahmadiya friend and he had nothing more to say after I debated against his agruments and the arguments of authors like Nasir Ahmad and Ulfat Aziz-us-Samad.
Defender, you should try reading the Old Testament, first so you will see what the prophets really had to say and second you will see that it contains viable medical advice that would not be argued against today, such as quarantine.
Salam Alikum

Posted by: disciple at February 28, 2006 1:19 AM

The Germ Theory of Louis Pauster was discover by the knowlege in 8th century and that why moslim doctor wash they hand with strong pure alchol to kill germs before they lay hand on a pastin or operate on anyone, an they use opium as than pain killer and put the pation to sleep when operation on them. Than America doctor who did duty in Turkey before the civil war learm from the moslim the practive of being clean and dressing clean

Meanwhile, this "superiority in medical knowledge" found in Islam continues in its "divinely perfect" ways by keeping the polio virus alive and well.

The world "thanks" you, Islam, for your "contributions"!

Posted by: yadayada at February 28, 2006 2:25 AM

I see you brought that letter up again from "a courageous Pakistani woman". This woman is a traitor to her faith. How can you sign to somethiing that lies about who you are.
I read some sikh history and was very impressed by their faith. - Posted by: Naseem

Taqqiya Begum

You've opened so many cans of worms - I guess halal worms - that I don't know where to start. So let's start with the Milpitas damsel who married her way out of Islam. (Actually, I do like experiencing the triumphantalist attitude that you so often exhibit - but this time, a Muslima becoming Hindu. And for all you know, she may be pregnant with an infidel baby. Just picture it, begum shahiba)

Nowhere in her letter did the woman ever claim to be a Qaddiani. So how was she lying? She was just coerced to make a statement against you to get her visa. As Del asked, did you have to sign such a statement?

As for her being a traitor, which one is it - her signing the petition against you, or her marrying a hindu, and becoming a murtadd? If it was the petition, she apologized, but then again, Mohammedans have never been known to be graceful about apologies. If it was her marriage to a kafir, it says a lot about you that someone whom you don't know and have no idea about can jerk you around just by not picking a Mohammedan hubby.

With attitudes like that, you could breed like Mumtaz Mahal, and it would still not be enough to ensure your safety in numbers - after all, what would stop other women like her from swithing over to something more sane, like (gasp) Hinduism? She might even become a Brahmin (inshallah).

Your earlier statement about there being 10m Qadianis in Pakistan - that's a drop in the bucket of Pakistan's population of what - 200m? Before you branch out, how are you increasing your numbers in Pakistan? Have the Sunni/Shia stopped breeding like rabbits? I doubt it, so how would you demographically change that balance? Have your hubby & sons put their lunds into good use. But do it in Pakistan - that's where you need the numbers to defend yourselves.

You often boast about Mohammedans taking over the world. But as the Yusuf Smith article showed, people becoming Wuslims aren't going to make your (as in Qadiani) position any better - here is a first generation Wuslim denouncing you. So actually, more people becoming Muslim would make your plight worse. After all, why should someone, who wants to switch to Islam, of all things, pick the Qaddinia over, say, mainstream Sunni Islam? It would be the equivalent of a convert from Unix picking the Mac over Windows.

As for the Sikhs, it's fine to praise them, but as you point out, they preferred death to Islam. What's more, if you studied history, rather than simply swallow what your father-in-law taught you, you'd have seen that Sikhism started as a movement triangulated from both Hinduism and Islam, but faced persecution at the hands of Islam, thereby ending up allied to Hindus. After all, Punjab was the land of the Sikhs, but how many are there in your Lahore - the capital of Ranjit Singh? All of the last 6 Sikh Gurus were subject to that, and the persecution continued until 1761, when the Moghul empire for all practical purposes imploded. Islam had to be castrated before the Sikhs knew peace.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 28, 2006 3:50 AM

Del-

No doubt that Smith's article has bias, but it proves the point ALL muslims share, that they don't consider Naseems cult Islam. To the regular muslims, be it Shia or Sunni, they say the same thing no matter where you look.

While Naseem's cult may have formed to where it is now only in the last 100 years or so, The Muslim tales say thier ancestors where the Shia traitors that sold them out to Khan. You know how Islamic rumors work, Once you are a subject of one, You are ruined.
There isn't much doubt to their claimed numbers vs. the real numbers claimed in his article. The same thing is told in many others as well. As far as Muslims are concerned, Naseem and his cult are NOT Muslims. They must have all had a good laugh at this Qadiani "Imam" calling for Muslims to support a Caliph from his sect.

Naseem- He's your enemy? Why? He's a sunni muslim. So what if his last name is smith! Converts don't have to change their last names.
Take Ibrahim Hooper for example.

He claims, and all other Muslims claim you and you Qadiani sect are Infidel. Plus there is a lot of evidence which shows the 4 mosks your sect has in London are the ones where violence is preached. His article may be pointed, but it also contains some truth about your sect.
ever other Islamic site I've looked at says the same thing, so are only your sect of killers true muslim? All others are corrupt?

Defender-

What a bunch of hogwash. Islam hasn't brought one single thing into the western world. It only takes from those it comes in contact with, even then what is taken becomes corrupted to fit into the Islamic teachings or is eventually lost.

Islam causes atrophy of the mind- Muslim cannot think and create. They are mindless zombies, rational thinking is forbidden. You prove this every time you come here to dfend islam. No matter how much evidence is produced to prove your "religion" is just a cult made up by a disgusting madman, a pedophile, a murderer, a rapist, a butcher and theif, your mind cannot absorb it.
Why? Because it tears down everything that you are, what you've been told. It's like a child learning for the first time there is no Santa Claus, only 100x worse for a Muslim. So you shut it out, block it from thought, like Muslim block everything from thought.
You can teach a Muslim to drive a car, but the muslimcan never design and build one. The only thing a muslim has brought into this world was Islam- and that's where the development of the Bedouin mind stopped- in the 7th century.

Posted by: Mullahmasher at February 28, 2006 12:38 PM

While feeling disgust over the education provided by the Iranian culture ministry, just remember that the Khomeini regime could not have taken over Iran without help from Prez Jiminy Cricket and his loyal sidekick Zbig, back in 1979. Without Carter and Zbig, Khomeini might have died in a suburb of Paris, where he was before taking power.

Posted by: Eliyahu at February 28, 2006 2:42 PM

Defender of Islam,

Islam thankfully is not growing at the rate that the Christian faith is growing. The only reason that the former is growing is because of births, but not much more.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at February 28, 2006 3:50 PM

Learjet,Yadayada,Mullahmasher,bigcatgirl13106 first
many of the discover by west where make by other civil and people before then. Moslim doctor believe than invisle agent that the eyes cannot see cause illness,Louir Pauster wasnot than medical doctor and
all the medical doctor of his time condsir him a medical quake(give phony medical treatment) he was a Chemist that barely pass the univertry written tests. He save the France Chamgion and wine indrustion from a bact that turn chamgion and wine into vinger other scientist with better unvitiy mark
before him fail in this task, so when he ask the winemaker to trackle the task they where not realy willing to have him solver it which he did. The winemaker of France where so graceful to him that they funds many of his research in the future. He has to have than theory and a cause of illness in people and animals and he didnot have than specfic cause and effect in mind so he was allow to post than unprovement idear in it place that than invisle
agent that the eyes cannot see that remain undisover cause illness. Since he wasnot than medical doctor many doctor in Europe refuse to wear cleam grown,wash they hands, clean they tools with hot stream,and clean they operation tables.

Than working stream engine was built in egypt in Roman Empire time that was use to open and close than Egyptian temple door. The moslim got than hold of the plan than use then to pump air into mines while pumping out water of mine. Europeian got hold of those plan in the 10th century from the moslin than mine onwer use then to pump air into they iron mine and pump water out of mine.
It was the moslim who make than numbering system
use in one Indian city-state and only in that city-state by borrowing it they use it as they numbering system and many other culture borrow that idear from the moslim. Let see it you can balance your check book useing roman numbering system. In our place of workship 505 of the member
are convert to Islam, we last year as far as I know have 8 new convert to Islam. Islam allow two moslim to be than witness to than convertion without the place of workship being use at all so there might be more which I never hear about.

Posted by: DefenderofIslam at February 28, 2006 9:39 PM

Defender, the Egyptians were not Muslims, correct. So, why are you taking credit for being the first ones to borrow their idea about the steam engine? Big deal.
Oh, what if those converts decide that they want to leave Islam, is that when the death penalty kicks in?
The numbering system is great, so why are Arab Muslims using Indian #'s?
Please find a recent, lets say last 50 years, invention by a Muslim that has helped the world.
Muslims that do advance their education do it primarily in western nations.
Please for you own sake consider reading and studying the arguments against Islam.
This link can provide a valuable resource for you.
Salam Alikum
http://www.muslimministry.com/website/frame.html

Posted by: disciple at February 28, 2006 10:20 PM

Defender_

What kind of BS has the Imam's pumped into your head?
Louis Pasteur was Canadian who dicovered the polio vacine. It has Nothing to do with Islam, or some Islamic doctor that didn't even exist.
Muslims were still drinking Camel pee, and were dirty, filthy people who stunk badly of goat and camel dung.
The discovery of the polio vaccine had nothing to do with Islam, in fact, Louis Pasteur probably never even heard of a muslim, there weren't any in Canada in his day.

Jews were the ones who were very fussy about cleanliness, Not Muslims. In fact Hadith PROVES Mohammad and his gang of robbers were a dirty, filthy bunch that smelled very bad. In fact Mohammad had fleas.

Islam invented NOTHING. The Numering system was invented by a HINDU, who's work was stolen when he was captured by Muhammadan invaders. Islam has NEVER brought ANYTHING of use to Mankind, it only STOLE what was developed by other cultures.

If anything, Islam HINDERED mankinds development, it destroyed anything that wasn't in keeping with Islam theology. Who knows what was burned and lost forever when the Caliph of the day burned the libraries of the cultures they destroyed.

Here's a good book for you to read. It shows what Islam has brought to Mankind, and why the Muslim mind works the way it does today.

http://musulmanbook.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Mullahmasher at March 1, 2006 5:48 AM