Poor disenfranshised chap, no doubt. Very disenfranchised, in fact. In fact, very very V disenfranchised.

Posted by: jsla at March 2, 2006 5:30 PM

This sadistic freak found his refuge in Islam. And didn't do anything his false prophet didn't do.

Posted by: dennisw at March 2, 2006 5:39 PM

Put him in a cage with some very hungry wild pigs and let him be lunch.

Speaking of total jerks, anyone want to bet how long al-sadr gets to live?

Posted by: fireangel at March 2, 2006 5:52 PM

He is in the 8th circle of Hell in the Inferno among the world's worst "Sowers of Discord"... He is doomed by God for all eternity to rip out his entrails in despair...

Also, an entertaining sidenote -- He is joined there by his son Ali -- whose head is eternally being cloven in two by demons -- I think these punishments hardly fit their crimes, though...

And given Muhammad's bloody body chopping predilections, I suspect he may have been titillated by disembowelment, dismemberment, and cloven heads... Perhaps a simple bath in scalding oil, followed by peeling away of skin, followed by a pumice rubdown, followed by the tender ministrations of all the angry Muslims he enslaved and brought to hell at his behest would have been better? I also think a special circle would have been apt for Muslims... A little place to call their own... The DIH... Dar al Islam in Hell...

Posted by: jsla at March 2, 2006 5:59 PM

Maybe he needs a dose of his own medicene. A very slow dose.

Posted by: freewoman at March 2, 2006 6:05 PM

Here's an old Andrew Bostom article at frontpagemag, entitled, "The Sacred Muslim Practice of Beheading":

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13371

Posted by: Caroline at March 2, 2006 6:07 PM

l posted a comment close to the one above of fireangel, and its gone? what happened to it?

Posted by: Lulu at March 2, 2006 6:16 PM

Want to see some videos of real beheading by Iraqi insurgents?

Check out Michael Savage's website :

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/index.html

Scroll down to the middle of the entire webpage. 4 video clips of real-life beheading by Iraqi insurgents are on the left hand side under the large title "Know Your Enemy" :

Nick Berg -- young Jewish-American contractor
Paul Johnson -- American military helicopter engineer

Every patriotic American needs to view these videos and know our Muslim enemy!

Posted by: brooklyn_guy at March 2, 2006 6:46 PM

patriot2, well l even had a bit of dificulty getting onto this site.. if who ever was not pleased that this monster beheader would end up meeting his allah in pig's feces.. well the pigs are too good for this monster!
l went on michael savage's site..he even disappointed me.. one day last week on his radio show he said that muhammud would be upset at these islamofacists using his good name to kill people.. he does not get it either! so far Rodger Hedgecock and Sean Hannity have been the best to label them properly.. esp. Rodger today!

Posted by: Lulu at March 2, 2006 7:13 PM

fireangel has it right-

-their superstitous fear of pigs is the way for this sick motherf*cker to go.

Feral swine, if given a week or two's fast, will gladly deliver him to whatever could be worse than the Muslim idea of heaven- their idea of unclean hell.

Videotape that pig-out and upload it to a triumphalist jihadist website as an antidote to their delusion psychopathic murder-fests.

There's nothing that any jihadists could do to an innocent sufferer of their brutal lunacy that would ever endanger these poor victims' souls.

In fact, I would guess that dying at the hands of such diseased, loveless savages should be an instant entry pass to the real paradise. Where enlightment and love reign.

And not a drunken celestial Muslim whorehouse for sadistic madmen.

(Plus it'll be a little well-deserved payback for the swines' being slandered for eons, as well.)

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 2, 2006 8:22 PM

Typical mohammadan murderer and scumbag, just like
the inventor of the cult.

It's too bad "drawing and quartering" is no longer
an acceptable punishment.

Posted by: American at March 2, 2006 8:45 PM

profitsbeard: "Feral swine, if given a week or two's fast, will gladly deliver him to whatever could be worse than the Muslim idea of heaven- their idea of unclean hell. Videotape that pig-out and upload it to a triumphalist jihadist website as an antidote to their delusion psychopathic murder-fests."

Anyone lacking an imagination on that score can always rent "Hannibal", the sequel to "Silence of the Lambs":

"Also living under the shadow of Lecter is a former patient of the doctor. Referred to Lecter after being arrested for sexually abusing children, Mason Verger remains Lecter's only surviving victim - but that was not before Lecter had persuaded a drugged Verger to 'cut off his own face' and feed it to the dogs. Now the hideously deformed Verger having put a huge bounty on Lecter's head, lives for a bloody revenge which involves feeding the doctor to his 'raised for the job' flesh eating pigs." (from a movie website)

Unfortunately, Mason Verger becomes the victim of his own diabolical "pig-out" plans. Warning - the movie is not for the faint of heart. (I did find it amusing though that the filmmakers tried to pass off the Biltmore Estate as Mr. Verger's residence.)

Posted by: Caroline at March 2, 2006 8:46 PM

Presumably even our resident pig farmer would find that particular "pig-out" scene "alarming" :-)

Posted by: Caroline at March 2, 2006 8:55 PM

Nah, we're above that - that's the point. A life-long prison sentence including working for his (very basic) living would do by me (including cleaning out pig-stys if you like). I really believe humans need to overcome the understandable urge to act in revenge, but instead rationally and coldly remove some people from society permanently, without falling to their level by killing them.

I'm not saying these people deserve any sympathy, or that their lives should be anything but waiting for death in a prison.

Posted by: Lilith at March 2, 2006 9:09 PM

No long sentence... a firing squad would do quite nicely. Once the fellow is dead there's no danger of him getting out. In the case of people like him, lilith, it's not revenge but common sense to not let them live any longer than we have to. We don't need to let him teach other people with shorter sentences the joys of beheading infidels. Please keep in mind there are plenty muslim males who see him as a hero.

Putting him in a cage with hungry feral pigs is a bit over kill. Executing him isn't.

Posted by: fireangel at March 2, 2006 9:27 PM

Here is an excerpt from Churchill someone once quoted to me here a while back. Churchill's comments are about confronting the undeterrables of this world:

"No terms but fight or death were offered. No reparation or apology could be made. . . The red light of retribution played on the bayonets and the lances, and civilization—elsewhere sympathetic, merciful, tolerant, ready to discuss or to argue, eager to avoid violence, to submit to law, to effect a compromise—here advanced with an expression of inexorable sternness, and rejecting all other courses, offered only the arbitration of the sword."

Muslims are laying down the gauntlet. Islam is a fight. Our response to Islam will determine the future of billions yet unborn... and treating those who promulgate the abomination of Islam simply as criminals won't do... Approaching this as a "civil" matter, one of laws and suasion is doomed to fail -- doomed to redound back upon us a millionfold.

I prefer "The red light of retribution..." There's nothing in such a war which is "below us". There's nothing ignoble in smiting the undeterrables with the sword. It must be done if one wishes to survive -- any other attitude is dangerous, misguided.

Posted by: jsla at March 2, 2006 9:54 PM

Well, I understand your feelings and at at the reptilian level share them (you know, brains made up of reptilian, mammalian and human parts, the reptilian guiding us on really basic aggressive feelings).

I agree that if a situation is too desperate and urgent to render someone ineffectual without killing them, it must be done - as in an actual battle or when one is too ill-resourced to imprison people. If it must be done, it should be done quickly and coldly, as fireangel says.

However, I do think we should show ourselves to be above them, and they are heavily into revenge, torture, cruelty.

Finally, being killed is exactly what these guys and the thousands who will see them as 'martyrs' want.

Jsla - I'd have to know more about the context of that Churchill quote. I'd also need to understand whether by retribution he meant revenge, or saw some subtle difference that eludes me.

Funny, I'm not even a Christian, don't believe one can turn the other cheek to crazed killers, but do think there are things that are below us in any war, such as raping women in conquered countrie or torturing prisoners.

Posted by: Lilith at March 2, 2006 10:26 PM

The firing squad is reserved (or should be) for those who deserve an honorable death. That reservation is the reason it was not used on NAZI war criminals. They were executed by hanging.

Hanging has been the usual method of execution in the West, and was used until "scientific" and "humanitarian" concerns caused executions to be carried out using poison gas chambers or electric chairs or lethal injections.

This guy definitely does not deserve a firing squad. Hanging, maybe. But perhaps the most interesting, and islamic acceptable way, should be used.

Use the method employed by the Taliban in Afghanistan. Let a member of the family of his most recent victim perform the execution. This is the eye-for-an-eye theory that the Taliban so loved. Let the widows or orphans apply the knife to the bound prisioner, as they may see fit.

Posted by: texan at March 2, 2006 10:43 PM

Simply put -- we ARE above them already. I think I understand your sentiments, but if we put jihadis to death because they are conspiring to kill us, or if we kill them in war, it hardly puts us in the same category as the Jihadis themselves -- nor is there any similarity or parallelism between my ideology or motives to act and their motives and ideology! Such false comparisons are muddled and wrong. More importantly, this lack of clarity altogether misconstrues the essence of who we are and who our enemy is... It is a gross thing to conflate two completely different motivations in such a manner, or two completely different ideologies, or two completely different agendas.

Also, the notion that Churchill's grand sentiments, so finely expressed, somehow need more "context" to be understood, or are expressive of the "reptillian" brain leaves me speechless!

I think you and I agree that the Islamic Jihad is a deplorable thing. I think you and I agree that Islamic fascism is a heinous ideology. Nevertheless I'm bothered by the underlying premises of some of your pronouncements.

Posted by: jsla at March 2, 2006 11:05 PM

Well Jsla,

as civilised people we'll have to agree to disagree on some of these points. You've called my theory on death penalty 'a gross thing', but I won't insult you back.

I didn't call Churchill's grand sentiments, that I still do not understand fully and in context, expressive of the reptilian brain.

I call our extreme anger and wish to hurt those we are threatened by a part of our reptilian brain. I share those feelings and don't believe it is an insult to analyse them this way.

There's nothing wrong with this oldest part of our brains,; in some situations it is essential to our survival. But it should be controlled by more rational parts of our psychology.

I often really enjoy your posts and as a new member of this online community hope that you don't mind someone expressing different viewpoints sometimes.

Posted by: Lilith at March 2, 2006 11:47 PM

Simply put, if the jihadis don't want to follow the rules, they cannot be allowed to hide behind them. Don't take a swing at me and them claim that to hit you back would be 'assault and battery'.

Posted by: Eisenhund at March 3, 2006 12:40 AM

You forget that war is also psychological and, in the case of such pig-fearing Islamic killers, to die 'unclean' is worse than any firing squad or mere tortures.

If you cannot psych-out the enemy with its own superstitious terrors, you lose the weapon they hand you.

If you object to letting "cloven footed animals that do not chew the cud" wreak a little vengeance upon a group that has slandered them for 1350 years, then simply give this Muslo-beheader a lethal injection with a needle greased with pig fat, and it will accomplish the same thing.

Clearly, no one would want to risk the lives or health of feral pigs at the hands of a desperate jihadist- they might choke on one of his rotten bones- so I opt for a bacon-swabbed syringe.

Prison, as fireangel notes, is just a waste of money better spent on our own children, and an opportunity for a jihadist to propagandize while looking for ways to escape.

In war, the saboteurs, terrorists and spies and executed.

Justifiably.

In self-defense.

Or are we not at war?

Just them?

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 3, 2006 1:35 AM

Well Profitsbeard, I don't suggest for a moment that prisoners don't work for a living. I'm sure I mentioned that.

And plenty of pig exposure sounds good to me, so that even if they only die after a few years in prison, they won't be going to their idea of heaven...

Posted by: Lilith at March 3, 2006 1:57 AM

Lilith, I think you will realize that we are in a life and death struggle with this ideaology. Spending our capital or time on feeding and caring for this murderous thug is unjust. This is not about revenge if he gets the death penalty it is justice. He has deprived 116 people of their lives, in a very gruesome way I might add, his life is therefore forefit. The families of the slain are completely forgotten about it seems from your side of this argument. Also as you may understand these people who would do such horrible things only understand killing. If we act all "humane" on this man that will be seen as weakness and these people will rally even more than if we simply execute him.
By the way, where do you get your value for human life anyway? Especially since you are of the notion that we are simply highly evolved animals.
If that is true than this man has not realized that he, or anyone else for that matter, has any value whatsoever. So, his life really is valueless and a waste of oxygen, food and water.
So give him what he desires... death.
I disagree, with all due respect, with your view.
Goodnight.

Posted by: disciple at March 3, 2006 2:06 AM

Well Disciple, I can only state for the third time that I think prisoners should work for a living and that I never said they should be supported by the state. If they can work more to pay reparations to families or charities of the families' choosing, all the better. In a situation of all-out war, the death penalty becomes more of a necessity.

Interesting, since you don't believe in killing murderers out of revenge but for other reasons, perhaps Jsla and you can discuss that topic sometime.

I find the theory about brain evolution interesting and convincing. This does not mean I see humans as animals. One doesn't have to be a creationist to see humans as different from animals, if that is your implication. If you'll do me the favour of not ascribing whole world views to me from a few words in a post, I'll do you the same favour.

I'd just like to emphasise that people from the whole political spectrum and all countries need to understand the threat of Islamism. Many of the posters here have a perspective generally considered 'right-wing'. So here I am, a bit more 'left-wing' on some topics, and from New Zealand where we have a proud tradition against the death penalty - while having battled honourably in both world wars. We will kill people when necessary, but only then.

The threat of Islamism is very clear to me, and hopefully people from my neck of woods and political perspective will be welcome here so they can learn about Islamism.

Posted by: Lilith at March 3, 2006 3:16 AM

"Fahmi confessed to carrying out 116 beheadings, including that of 24-year-old Japanese backpacker Shosei Koda"

Not the best place to go for a day hike, but who expects to get beheaded for being non-Muslim and going for a walk? Despicable crimes.

Posted by: Hammer_Time at March 3, 2006 6:25 AM

what ever way this bastard should die, the best way to get to the rest of islamofacist, is give him a great Hindu send off.. burn his body down the tigris river with an Israeli flag on it and picture of Bush!

Posted by: Lulu at March 3, 2006 8:46 AM

Ignorance got the young Jap killed! Like many beheaded Westerners before him, he was fooled by the Westernized media in Japan…. “Help the Iraqi people!”

Nostradamus predicted 400 years ago that the Muslim enemy at WWIII would be unbelievably cruel!

Posted by: brooklyn_guy at March 3, 2006 9:57 AM

I only feel sorry for his parents who failed to inform him that other people might slaughter him like the way their Jap soldiers slaughtered millions of other Asian people at WWII. So the Jap tasted their own medicine.

Posted by: brooklyn_guy at March 3, 2006 10:15 AM

Lilith: Thanks for your responses. I wouldn't wish for you to interpret my responses to you as personal or insulting. It wasn't my intention. First I think we're largely on the same page regarding the menace of Islam as I've already said. I also agree we can agree to disagree.

But I think it's important to realize that the opinions expressed here don't always fall neatly into the category of left or right wing... I, for example, am an agnostic, a lifelong registered (and active) Democrat, and considered liberal. I also recognize that within the "liberal" or left mindset are many intellectual cul de sacs and social detours which are now implicated in the Islamic incursions we see today around the Western World. These include, but aren't limited to:

Moral relativism. Briefly an ideology that no culture is any better than any other -- (unless of course you're talking about Western "Imperialism" or American "Imperialism", which everyone knows are the epicentesr of all that's wrong with the world...)

False comparisons. Ideas that falsely conflate Islam's history or Islamic Jihad with actions of Western or other cultures in world history. This is a very simplistic approach to understanding the entrenched notion of "Jihad" in warlike Islam... This also tends to muddy the waters when discussing the menace we now face in increasingly bone chilling terms...

Political correctness. The form of fascist thought control practiced primarily by leftists to muzzle true freedom of thought and expression. Liberal (read pseudo-Liberal) governments across the world are now developing laws to further impede the free flow of ideas and expression -- something which plays directly into the Jihadis hands...

Malignant belief in the notion that the steady state of human existence is peaceful -- if we could only all get along!!! Kumbaya to you too... but I subscribe to Plato's famous quip -- "Only the dead have seen the end of war." Jacque Chirac, that latter day Neville, famously said on the eave of Iraq2: "We believe war always means failure." (emphasis mine... Leave aside the fact that this is the French leader talking -- as such it seems more like high comic burlesque than an expression of conviction) The notion that nothing is worth fighting for, (not necessarily subscribed to by you) suffuses the philosophy of the left, and, if history is any guide, reveals that such attititudes are far more likely to cause horrid bloodshed than to prevent it.

Fanatical (anti-Christian, sometimes anti-Jewish) secularist zealotry. A form of Leftist religion which often is more extreme than that what I see among Christians and Jews in the West. This flaw works in conjunction with false comparisons and political correctness to turn logic and reason on its head -- It's OK to depict "Piss Christ" in a NY gallery, or show pictures of it in the Sunday Supplement -- after all -- it's free speech! Right.? But it's wrong to depict the Muhammadan Cartoons in American or British press because it might "offend" the Muslims... This one example is especially instructive as it combines false comparisons, political correctness, fanatical (anti-Christian) secularist zealotry.

I could go on and on... There are other leftist "liberal" cul de sacs, but that's enough for now...

I'm afraid when I saw certain associations you seemed to suggest where the execution of this beast, this mass butcher, this chopper off of 129 heads from living victims would somehow place us on the same plane as the Jihadis, I saw symptoms of several of the maligancies above... While a principalled anti-Death penalty conviction may be admirable, I think a slavish adherence to such an idea is susceptible to many pitfalls. One of which comes to mind is an underlying notion that we don't have the "right" as a society to extinguish the life of a fellow human being, no matter how odious they may be, or even for instructive purposes, or even, to be more crass, for revenge. Fine.

But I believe we see evidence that close on the heels of this notion comes the idea that persons really aren't responsible for their actions, or that all human activitiy is explicable by "understanding" the "context" of such actions -- Thus we get prison terms such as the 15 year sentence handed down in Germany for Moutassadeq -- the 9/11 conspirator convicted of abbetting the murder of nearly 3,000 innocents on 9/11 -- The Germans first chose to treat his trial as a solely legalistic one... they refused to extradite him because they knew we'd kill him. They refuse to recognize his act of WAR, and treated it as a common legal transgression... And then, because their system is so weak on punishement, only saw fit to give him 1.85 days per each murder he facilitated. What perversion. And then, as if that wasn't bad enough, the sentence was overturned by the German supreme court because he wasn't provided access to top secret al-Qaida prisoners which the heinous Americans held... Leftist liberal NONSENSE.

Anyway, the preoccupation with these sometimes ephemeral seeming distinctions between leftist and rightist ideas tend to get the threads off topic, and introduces irreconcilable arcana into the discussion and this site's raison d'etre: Islamic Jihad...

I for one think the leftist notions I have described above need to be rooted out thoroughly from our Western societies, or we will be condemned at best to a much longer fight against Islamic fascism than we otherwise might be... At worst, these malignancies may doom us to finally collapse before the onslaught of our primitive nihilistic enemies.

Sound like exaggeration? Look at France today. Look at Belgium. Then look at Turkey or Iran. They were once proud first world nations, preeminant in their time. Was it ancient pseudo-leftism which caused it? Of course not... although the case could be made that the false idea that peace at any cost destroyed Byzantium... after centuries of buying off and appeasing the Muslim hoardes, their collapse was inevitable.

Posted by: jsla at March 3, 2006 4:30 PM

Could there ever be a more opportune moment to blow the cobwebs of Saddam's plastic shredder? Make this murdering scumbag go in feet first of course.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at March 3, 2006 5:23 PM

Lilith forgets one basic thing. It is being alive which makes them martyrs. Whilever scumbags like this maniacal headchopper are alive, their colleagues will carry out kidnappings, assassinations etc to try to secure their release. If this scumbag is rightfully executed, and the sooner the better, he'll simply be forgotten. We will no longer be faced with the costs of feeding him, clothing him and constantly watching over him. And to say that we are descending to their level by doleing out his richly-deserved fate is the PC argument of the university campus, and not of the battlefield.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at March 3, 2006 5:34 PM

Right, I will say for the fourth and final time: I believe prisoners should work for a living. People keep implying that not killing prisoners means they have to be maintained by the state.

Jsla raises interesting points, which to me come down to fighting an enemy who doesn't play by any kind of rules we consider civilised.

Pretty depressing stuff...

Posted by: Lilith at March 3, 2006 8:12 PM

Yes.

2010 SAT Question #31:

Jailtime for Jihadists is like
a. Baseballs are for bats.
b. Aspirins are for cancer.
c. Peaches are for cream.
d. Leashes are for dogs.

Correct answer: B.

Posted by: jsla at March 3, 2006 9:43 PM

Unfortunately Lilith, this country(U.S.) has too many PC bleeding hearts that consider prisoners working to be slavery. So, most of us answering here are responding based on our prison sytem operations. If you have the type of system you described in New Zealand that works, than great.
I still think he deserves death, no work he could do would be punsihment enough. Did you happen to watch the videos at the link someone above provided. It is very gruesome to behead people sawing their heads off with a knife, it is no guillotine, there is quite a bit of pain as you can tell from the videos. Individuals can certainly decide to forgive this man for all the pain and destruction he caused, but personally I believe that the state should not be in the business of forgiving that type of heinous crime.
So, I guess we will just disagree. Please do stay on and learn more from the postings and comments, while posting your own, just be aware that you may be jumped on from time to time. Usually it is not to harsh. =)I get it from time to time.
By the way, what is your world view?

Posted by: disciple at March 3, 2006 11:22 PM

Yes the man is a scumbag and doing evil in the name of his putrid religion and false prophet but I don't subscribe to the idea of being as awful to him as this would make us as bad as islam.
He deserves death,yes, but we need to concentrate on fighting and defeating the islamists in our midst and islam and jihad in general.
We can't afford to sink to their level, because it is so low we would never rise again.
We need to be tough but not despicable

Posted by: marilyn at March 4, 2006 1:11 AM

Disciple wrote "this country(U.S.) has too many PC bleeding hearts that consider prisoners working to be slavery"

Unfortunately, NZ is the same in that regard, and I certainly don't agree with them.

My world view: complex and constantly developing. It can't be summed up on a few sentences and would depend on each topic. If you'd asked me two weeks ago about Islam, you would have got a different response from today - and so it would be for any topic I got deeply involved in.

Posted by: Lilith at March 4, 2006 3:24 AM

"Fahmi, who is of Egyptian and Palestinian descent"

No Fahmi is just another Arab Muslim whose grandparents happened to settle in Palestine where the local Christians and Jews could give them jobs.

Despite the continuing propoganda, the only real indigenous Palestinians are the Christians, Jews and Samaritans who've been living there for centuries. The Muslims are invaders and occupiers. Now that Hamas rules Ramallah and Bethlehem, it can rightfully be called an occupied territory.

Posted by: Provoslavni at March 4, 2006 9:29 AM

Lilith -- Don't get the wrong impression -- the postings sometimes become a little fractious here, especially given the intense nature of the topics discussed... I appreciate the thoughtfulness of your posts.

A question: Was there anything in particular that recently prompted you to begin reading JihadWatch, or paying particular attention to the topic of Jihad? Your comment in the post immediately above makes me wonder...

Posted by: jsla at March 4, 2006 12:29 PM

Jsla, it was two things. The recent National Geographic article on orthodox Jews got me reading more about them and Israel. A couple of days after I'd read that, the cartoon issue came up, and it all tied in together.

I can't quite remember how I find this site - perhaps from the funny and informative from Muttawa.com.

Good question though - how to people found us and how do we encourage them to.

Posted by: Lilith at March 4, 2006 4:39 PM

Execution by shooting him in the head. Quick, painless, humane. No risk of da'wa in the prisons. No risk of breakouts of jihadi compatiots. No infidels forced to pay the insulting costs of maintaining them according to humanitarian standards that they don't share at all. It's the way things were done before folks got all confused about these things. And there's absolutely no risk of "Us" becoming like "Them". No risk at all. God. I should be so lucky to go that way, instead of say, dying a slow death from cancer or lingering on miserably after a stroke. They know how lucky they would be to go this way, as opposed to being ripped limb to limb by a mob. Why don't we?

Posted by: Caroline at March 4, 2006 5:54 PM