What can one say? I hope that he is imprisoned for life. (Segregated from the other inmates of course so he can't convince them to become members of the Religion of Pieces)

Posted by: Mentat at March 3, 2006 9:47 PM

Get ready. There will be many more attacks of this kind in the United States.

This sort of act should have any Muslim in the US with more than a brain stem positively cringing-- if not for reasons of conscience, then for simple self-interest:

The escalation of hostilities into many random, small-scale attacks would have even more of a chilling effect on the tolerance for Islam in the West than another single, 9/11-scale attack. Large attacks take time to plan and execute, and tend to gravitate toward high-profile targets.

But if it came to the point where attacks like Taheriazar's became commonlace enough that the average citizen could not feel safe in any given public place, serious discussions about subjects previously thought untouchable-- internment, deportation, loyalty tests, and no-holds-barred surveillance-- would follow on Capitol Hill.

Posted by: Shinoliite at March 3, 2006 9:58 PM

Once again a highly-educated, economically-advantaged Muslim decides to go on a killing spree involving innocent, uninvolved people.

How can we explain this?

What is the root cause of his sociopathic view towards non-Muslims?

Now someone will trot out "alienation." But only a miniscule number of alienated non-Muslims choose attempted or actual mass murder.

Could it be something in the water Muslims drink?

Posted by: Beagle at March 3, 2006 10:05 PM

You have to love it, muslims helping to spread islamaphobia. Do they not think before they act?

Posted by: Ronin at March 3, 2006 10:07 PM

One major advantage of free speech is that the stupids identify themselves all too readily.

let more and more muzlims identify themselves through their speech and action aginst the 'treatment of muzlims in the world'. Please.

Posted by: voletti at March 3, 2006 10:16 PM

Robert is probably right -- get ready for more attacks like this. Get ready for far far more heinous ones as well.

I will regret it if attacks escalate in America, but Muslim beware! I can guarantee it won't go down like it does in France... Try it and see!

Posted by: jsla at March 3, 2006 10:18 PM

Deport the scum.

Let him scumsuck Islam in a tinpot dictatorship offalhole.

Maybe he can get a job with a Port Authority in Dubai, and really do a job on us.

Posted by: dgene at March 3, 2006 10:19 PM

Robert,

Long time reader, first time poster. By nature I constantly seek the reasons to explain behavior. It seems that many Muslims hate the world because they are taught to from a young age. The underlying reason for their behavior is simple--education. Whether the Koran has passages which encourage violence is not the issue. It's how those passages are interpreted to youths and are reinforced by the media and family on a daily basis that should be examined.

So this post is a request for your next book (or at least discussion here) to focus on the role of education and family in engendering hate. Perhaps an examination into Muslim textbooks and curricula will awaken the world to the real reason for such deep and everlasting hatred.

Thank you,

Seeking change

Posted by: Seeking Change at March 3, 2006 10:21 PM

He must have been just fresh out the mosque, after recieving his religious instruction for the day...

Posted by: Ken CleanAirSystem at March 3, 2006 10:23 PM

These Muslims sure are a brave bunch aren't they.

A bunch slowly decapitate tied up non-Muslims

They blow up innocent non-Muslim children

12 Muslims go searching for a twelve year old schoolgirl

A Muslim uses a 4,000 lb vehilce to harm non-Muslims.

Maybe for a change, a Muslim will volunteer go go one on one with a non-Muslim male, hand to hand.

Nah, they're really a bunch of pansies and cowards, with shit for brains in order to worship their shitty ideology.

Posted by: Ken at March 3, 2006 10:25 PM

Ronin, their motto appears to be "Quickly now no thinking." He appears to fit into the catagory of a parnoid sociopath. Having been a psychology major he may well have been counting on the people around the ones he attacked with the suv would be too upset to take down his tag number. Which is often the case.

His insurance company is going to hate him.

Posted by: fireangel at March 3, 2006 10:26 PM

Seeking change, frontline had a 10 year old boasting he would grow up and kill Americans or Jews. It starts very young and they are not picky.

Ken, trust me there is no such animal as the islamic warrior. I have fought with them and against them. I was hoping it was behind me, sigh.

Posted by: Ronin at March 3, 2006 10:29 PM

From the fail to assimilate file, always a muslim first, and an American 2nd --well anyway kinda,sorta, maybe? Might we possibly think that this is but an anomally with maybe only 3 1/2 million muslims in America. It appears that he did not have a specific target, just a random attack on whomever happened to be there at the time.

Did the teachings of the Quran (the religion of peace)-I got that from President Bush >>direct him to attack those non-muslims,infidels,kafirs, non believers ETC> This was obviously a demonstration of pre-meditated rage.

Did I read psychology major? Where was his self analysis? I guess he could not even do that when it comes to a failure to assimilate.

I would suppose that by this time tommorrow CAIR will come to his rescue along with the left wing nuts in America who will him as the victim.

Posted by: Mackie at March 3, 2006 10:30 PM

Sok fireangel, he will learn to hate his cell mate.

Posted by: Ronin at March 3, 2006 10:31 PM

It's the fault of the infidels for being off-road.

Posted by: jsla at March 3, 2006 10:31 PM

It's my faught he didn't like my jihadwatch bumper sticker and the Danish flag drove him over the edge. Naseem is always telling me I am islamaphobic, she wouldn't lie would she?

Posted by: Ronin at March 3, 2006 10:37 PM

It would appear that there is an education problem here. We should be going after the teacher at the Mosque this "cockroach" attends.

Posted by: DeadRecknoning at March 3, 2006 10:42 PM

It is my fault I bought Danish cheese. I am so hateful.

Posted by: Akhetnu at March 3, 2006 10:44 PM

I think the suv owner should leave it as is as a sign of respect and tolerance. After all it was just a small percentage of local muslim students who attacked ...what do they put in this Danish beer?

Posted by: Ronin at March 3, 2006 10:49 PM

these scum are the poster child for being victims.. its ironic that most muslims are killed by other muslims...seems he should of charged his suv into a mosque! hope he is jailed with a big black baptist guy! lol..

Posted by: Lulu at March 3, 2006 10:51 PM

My hunch is that this guy Taheriazar needs to give piece a chance.....

http://images.indymedia.org/imc/nyc/image/2/1_lil-kim-burqa.jpg

Wow.

Posted by: Frank at March 3, 2006 10:51 PM

Ok Frank, I used to think the claim of hiding the women under the ninja outfit to protect them was just crap, now I'm confused, I think it might be a good idea. Or, Danish beer makes them all look like that, dunno.

Posted by: Ronin at March 3, 2006 10:55 PM

Posted by: Ronin:
"Ken, trust me there is no such animal as the islamic warrior. I have fought with them and against them. I was hoping it was behind me, sigh".

Ronin, I hear you loud and clear.

Posted by: Ken at March 3, 2006 11:32 PM

It really bothers me things like this are not reported on the media. Other than a little blurb here and there.

I suppose the MSM is protecting us cause they know some redneck is going to ram his pick-up into a masque when he hears this.

They know a lot more than we do.

I'm sure it's Bush's fault. :(

http://bluestarchronicles.blogspot.com/2006/03/north-carolina-students-attacked-in.html

Posted by: beth at March 3, 2006 11:37 PM

Off topic :
WTF again and again..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4771396.stm

Posted by: sutasuta at March 3, 2006 11:38 PM

Ok Frank, I used to think the claim of hiding the women under the ninja outfit to protect them was just crap, now I'm confused, I think it might be a good idea. Or, Danish beer makes them all look like that, dunno.
Posted by: Ronin

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Agree;

After several kegs, all of my girlfriends looked like this.

http://images.indymedia.org/imc/nyc/image/2/1_lil-kim-burqa.jpg

The Texican.

Posted by: Texican at March 3, 2006 11:41 PM

Robert is probably right -- get ready for more attacks like this. Get ready for far far more heinous ones as well.
I will regret it if attacks escalate in America, but Muslim beware! I can guarantee it won't go down like it does in France... Try it and see!
Posted by: jsla
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Agree.

Americans are not going to live like the Israelis do: fearing that you, your family or children will die if they leave home.

It is time to be prepared, be armed and be ready.

God give us the strength to make it through this and eradicate Islam.

The Texican.

Freedom, the only choice.

Posted by: Texican at March 3, 2006 11:46 PM

What happened at UNC-Chapel Hill, is what is coming to America. With our Politicians so rubber kneed and nauseatingly politically correct and concerned about re-election at whatever cost to the rest of us what else is there?

Posted by: Wm at March 4, 2006 12:11 AM

A funny thing happened to me today. I'm vacationing in Vegas, and I took a cab from the Luxor, a tribute to the Pre-Islamic marvel, to the Mirage, a tribute to that zionist kafir Steve Wynn. My aim was to sample my favorite deli . . . the NYC's Carnegie Deli. I decided to leave Mr. Spencer's latest book in my hotel room(although I did bring it to the Luxor pool). At any rate, as my luck would have it, I had a young cab driver, young, 20, muscle bound, from Yeman or Saudi Arabia, with no smile(you get the picture). He asked me why I was going to the Mirage--to make conversation ect--and I was kind of taken off guard--and didn't want to reveal my destination of a deli. As he dropped me of, he said, "you should try the deli in there, good corned beef." Although I laughed as he drove off. You can never be too careful today. The bizaro in NC today shows yet another example of an unhinged Islamist, working on the cheap. The 'Lee Harvey Oswald' of Jihad. The decentralized cell of one or two or three. The only way to combat this is to limit immigration and, perhaps of greater import, stop this student visa crap. To have 20 year-old wanna be Jihadis is bad policy. It saddens me to think we will have to 'be like Israel' here, as much as I love Israel. My wife is from st. Petersburg and had the option to go to Israel, but waited two additional years to move to the US . . . mostly because of our reputation for peace and prosperity, but also because of the terror in Israel. I might add that North Carolina ain't Paterson, New Jersey. It's still Andy Griffith country and look what they faced today.

Posted by: biorabbi at March 4, 2006 12:31 AM

Maybe I just saw the early reports on cable news where no motive or anything was mentioned. I sure hope nothing more was known at that time, because if the elite media continues to shield or downplay the IslamoNazi intent of crimes like this then they are even more reprehensible than I thought.

Robert is right, as usual; Much more is to come.

We WILL fight back!

Posted by: Hammer_Time at March 4, 2006 12:34 AM

The justice dept had better prosecute a hate crtime in addition to the "normal" charges on this case, to not do so would be tue inequality. If a white man drove his SUV thru a crowd leaving a mosque, you bet he would be charged with a hate crime.

Posted by: GrimReaperxxx at March 4, 2006 12:36 AM

True, events such as this, and most surely also true, more and worse are yet to come. However, in this case there was a silver lining, no one was killed. Imagine though the carnage had the damn auto been full of explosives and blown up. I'm certain that such occurrences are going to be visited upon the country before long. And I wonder, when such events start to take place will our leadership then get serious about actually winning the wot.

Posted by: krkrjak at March 4, 2006 12:45 AM

The driver's choice of an SUV rather than a gun, which would have been far more effective, suggests his statement should not necessarily be taken at face value. In fact, leaving license plates on the van so witnesses could identify him suggests he wanted to be caught. He confessed immediately rather than deny guilt. Perhaps he was putting a "high-minded" ideological gloss on an underlying mental illness. Studying psychology might have been his way of trying to cope with inner demons, Islamic or not. Any lawyer worth her salt will investigate an insanity defense. Just a thought. But let's hope he doesn't join the Post Office once he gets out of jail. Then he'll be really dangerous.

Posted by: sceptico at March 4, 2006 1:03 AM

Sok fireangel, he will learn to hate his cell mate.

Posted by: Jack at March 4, 2006 1:39 AM

Ron, have you posted in detail anywhere on the experience of fighting with and against Muslims? I'd be interested in your observations.

Posted by: Lilith at March 4, 2006 2:11 AM

Hi, I am from India. I have been reading the posts on jihadwatch for quite some time. I thought I should now share some of my ideas with others who are posting on this site.

Kashmir in India is a clear testimony to what happens to the non-muslim minorities in a Muslim majority state. Francois Gautier, a French Journalist , who worked as the political correspondent for Le Figaro in India for some time writes regular columns on the plight of the majority Hindus (about 80%) at the hands of the minority Muslims (about 15%). He wrote the following article on the state of affairs in Kashmir

http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/jul/30franc.htm

I invite the attention of the fellow readers of this blog to read the article.

As someone mentioned earlier in some post, majority of the Hindus in India are like the frog in the saucepan on the stove. They are unaware of the danger they are about to face from the Muslims in the coming decades but once they realize, it is too late to do anything about it.

Satya

Posted by: satya at March 4, 2006 3:34 AM

"grew up in Indian Trail, near Charlotte." That's interesting. Hopefully he has been put in the "terrorist" column by the gov't. Let's see. Tries to inflict terror on innocent civilians. Yep, sounds like terrorism. And this should be labeled as a terrorist act on US soil.
Can't wait for cair to tell me "no but it's YOU who don't understand..."

I give him a 1/2 point on originality. A SUV not loaded w/ bombs is certainly original. I guess he couldn't get his hands on an American Airlines 747. Oh well maybe next time.

Posted by: flyingcarpetdust at March 4, 2006 3:42 AM

If there were no fatalities I somehow doubt that this guy is a seriously practicing Muslim.

They usually prefer Toyota pick-up trucks, anyhow.

That old Mogadishu cachet.

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 4, 2006 4:08 AM

It makes me sick to see that this is nowhere on CNN.com's site (at this writing).

Posted by: 000000001 at March 4, 2006 4:33 AM

Looks like democracy is failing in this case and so many others.

Swift action would be required, but this Islamo-creep will just get first class 'justice' treatment. Waste of time and money. Cement shoes or a bullet would do nicely...

Everything else is too much, full stop.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 4, 2006 5:02 AM

We need leaders with spines here in the western world, not the wobbly whimps that most countries have right now. Someone with a monstrous backbone like this pre-historic animal:

http://www.digital-images.net/Images/Universal/Spinosaurus_6031.jpg

Unfortunately the Spinosaurus type of political leaders appears to be... extinct.

Now we just have a bunch of the Whimposauruses...

Posted by: odin, king of gods at March 4, 2006 5:23 AM

Sinolite says: Get ready. There will be many more attacks of this kind in the United States.

I posted this a year ago on Fjordman's site.

Muslims are mandated to the Jihad and it is foolish of us to expect that they will refrain from doing so. It is our foolishness that gave them the opportunity to do so from within.

Muslims and their religion are not yet ready to accept pluralism, democracy and free thinking. Democracy is in fact incompatible with islam, as many Muslim imams have openly stated. That is their interpretation of the Koran. It should therefore come as no suprise to us, that muslims in the West are waging Jihad against us. This is something all muslims as individuals are mandated to do in one form or other. It is their way to paradise. No matter what punishment we give them after they have slain innocents, it will be borne with fortitude or even pleasure, as eternal paradise is already theirs.

For some the Jihad may take the form of taxing the benefit system, and in others - active Jihad in the form of mowing down people with bullest and bombs or a car. In their eyes, if we didn’t realise that this would happen when we allowed muslims into the West, the fault lies with us and not them. I agree.

Posted by: DP111 at March 4, 2006 5:49 AM

Whether or not any of the academics on the NC campus helped fuel his irrationality with their anti-US rhetoric (kj, nariz, take note), this is something I've been expecting to see more ever since that kid blew himself up on that other campus (kj, nariz, take note). It was only a matter of time before it began to accelerate. But please, let's do nothing to change the atmosphere of anti-US and anti-Jewish hostility on campus (kj, nariz, take note).

He should have done it at Berkeley. They'd have done everything they could to cover up the crime by now.

Posted by: Gary at March 4, 2006 7:23 AM

I can't beleive it's not all over the news. I didn't hear a thing here in Australia.

Posted by: meredith at March 4, 2006 7:38 AM

It is not going to be on the news. If it bleeds, it leads. When a Moslem tries to kill someone it is not news. When a Moslem kills someone, it is barely news unless the news wants to editorialize. For example, when a Moslem kills 60 people in Iraq because he wants a Wahabi caliphate in the country no matter what any other person or Moslem wants, the press will report that 60 were killed in Iraq yesterday to prove the U.S. presence there is a quagmire. Curiously, when Moslems kill in Iraq to establish Islam, it is always because the U.S. or its allies could not maintain order. It is a headline like "60 killed despite curfew". As if a government authority demanding its citizens to stay indoors can stop an intending suicidial maniac from murder.

The true story will not make the news or it will be corrupted to the point that the press will editorialize their own opinion. The main stream press will probably not identify the attack at UNC (not enough gore) but if it did it probably will identify a growing U.S. campus problem of alienation on U.S. college campuses. The press will claim that a lack of multi- cultural sensitivity has lead to psychological problems among discriminated minorities and will use the road rage at U-NC as an illustration.

My favorite main stream news story yesterday was the news report from India. Der Stuermer reported in its headline "Three Killed at Indian Anti-Bush Protests." The true story is as follows: Anti-Bush Moslem protestors murder Hindu onlookers who refuse to shut their stores in protest of Bush.

Posted by: David England at March 4, 2006 8:08 AM

A local news station here today (link to story is below) is implying that Taheri-azar's motive may be in part connected to the recent publishing of Mohammed cartoons by UNC's Daily Tar Heel, and their admirable stance not to apologize for publishing them, but there is no certain link at this point.

http://www.wral.com/news/7651436/detail.html

It would be interesting to hear what Profesor Carl Ernst had to say about this.....

Posted by: Mig at March 4, 2006 9:09 AM

As I was listening to Rush Limbaugh yesterday he was commenting on the news reports of an SUV that attacked people, thats right a gas guzzling SUV that had a mind of its own and ran people down. That is how it was reported in the news. Now we learn the truth that it was an act of terrorism for the peace loving mooslems in the world.

The suspect, Mohammed Reva Taheriazar, is probably being held in isolation at the county jail and probably has different needs than other prisoners costing tax payers more to hold him in custody, they should let him in general population then we would see how he likes his playmates.

When the mooslems here in America jump up and start yelling allah akbar you can bet that we CITIZENS are going to quell the voices with a quickness, we have heeded the call and are well prepared, we will toss out the mooslems along with illegal aliens of every genre,we will hose them down and send them back to the woes of allah and all his greatness.

Mack Bolan (EXECUTIONER) would say the numbers are counting down and when they expire, DOOM ON YOU.
.................................................
My hunch is that this guy Taheriazar needs to give piece a chance.....

http://images.indymedia.org/imc/nyc/image/2/1_lil-kim-burqa.jpg

Wow.

Posted by: Frank
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Hubba hubba hubba, who in they're right mind would want to leave this behind.

Posted by: chuck at March 4, 2006 9:15 AM

Raleigh,NC alert

Calling Raleigh,NC area JW fans

Trying to organize a meetup for the activist minded.
Take a look here

Posted by: savetheus at March 4, 2006 9:19 AM

I've been following the SUV jihad story here in Australia, no mention of it in our media either. It's incredible.Not only is the MSM cross the globe silent, gutless and complicit in the jihad.

I've come to the conclusion it's the enemy of the people.

Posted by: mistyhymen at March 4, 2006 10:17 AM

The MSM will get their marching orders after the weekend.....and by then the internet blogs will have sent this news story around the world a few million times.

Keep the story moving and the world spinning.

Posted by: rumoret at March 4, 2006 11:16 AM

I am surprised that these "self-starters" have not tried their luck more frequently here. Agree that this is another story that needs to be forwarded around to all friends and family. I stopped relying on the MSM to give me the "fair and balanced" or anything important or relevant a long time ago.

All the best,
Mac

Posted by: amana39 at March 4, 2006 11:57 AM

amana39...

I'm with you...just had the cable TV link ripped out of this house in January. Ah, the peace and quiet! No more cascade of ads over five or ten minutes without a break. No more 'news' reports delivered 'breathlessly' as if they were just then received...the same news reports of events that I already knew about 24 to 48 hours earlier via the Web and sites in Europe.

Posted by: SCV at March 4, 2006 1:34 PM

a motor vehicle can indeed by a deadly weapon. A number of people have been murdered by being run down by cars and trucks. In one incident, somebody shot the murderous driver dead. The "pro-human rights" press jumped on HIM as a murderer until it was established that he he ties to Hamas

Posted by: Eliyahu at March 4, 2006 2:19 PM

It would appear the students at UNC just got a little "continuing education class" in Islam (complete with "show and tell"), presumably focusing on the bits glossed over in Michael Sells' "Approaching the Qur’an":

http://www.trincoll.edu/depts/csrpl/RINVol5No3/koran%20unc.htm

Posted by: Caroline at March 4, 2006 2:23 PM

What the hell, let's just sit back and watch this stress reliever....play the video when you have the urge !!!

http://www.shooshtime.com/clips/video.php?id=7748

Posted by: CaptAmerica at March 4, 2006 2:53 PM

It did make CNN http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/04/unc.crash.ap/index.html

Posted by: What_the at March 4, 2006 3:23 PM

Yeah, and:

"UNC Alum faces attempted murder charge..."

Had this been some mad Zionist doing the exact same thing, or a declared "fundamentalist" Christian -- don't you think such persons would never be referred to as "Alum" in the headline -- wouldn't it be something like: "Self professed Zionist attempts to kill" or "Crazed Christian Fanatic uses SUV as murder weapon..."

But with the Muslim, not only do they forego mentioning his Muslimness until the 4th or 5th paragraph, they also describe the crime in passive terms. He "faces" attempted murder charges... It wasn't that he attempted to mow students down with his 6,000 pound SUV, and therefore faces murder charges.

Posted by: jsla at March 4, 2006 5:40 PM

I decided to write the argument an Iranian backed lawyer will present at the SUV driver's upcoming arraignment.

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Your honor, I'm counsel for the defendant and I specifically flew in from Teheran to represent Mr. Taheri-azar.

Your honor, this is not what the media has portrayed it to be. In fact, this is a hate-crime committed against my client! Here's what we've been able to determine just from our own investigation so far.

A gathering of Jewish and Christian students were sitting around on campus looking at those banned cartoons of mohammed which we all know have caused so much hostility towards all muslims across the entire islamic world. The students were working their hatred up into a frenzy when along came my client, who is a peaceful muslim with no criminal record and who just happened to innocently take a wrong turn off a campus backstreet because his mind was in deep contemplation and pre-occuppied by reciting peaceful verses from his holy Koran.

In an act of sheer intolerance to all things peaceful and islamic, amounting to a hate-crime, these same students, now rabid with hate and vitriol from viewing those despicable cartoons that even CNN wouldn't show, saw my client coming their way in his car and they began jumping up and down and screaming and shouting at him.

They then proceeded to throw their bodies at the front of my client's SUV in an attempt to damage his car specifically to provoke a violent confrontation with him. So filled with hate were some in the mob that a few even tossed themselves under his front tires in an attempt to stop his vehicle altogether, so others in their mob could then pull him out of the car and physically assault him.

He felt so threatened by bodies bouncing off the hood of his vehicle and rolling under his tires and the loud shouts and shrill screams of the angry mob that he was compelled to speed away from the scene for fear of his own life! He's lucky that he got out of there in one piece!

And your Honor, once he was safe and away from the crowd of hatemongers, he then pulled his heavily damaged vehicle over to the side of the road and phoned the police to come to his rescue. He did nothing but seek to safely extricate himself from a dangerous mob of rampaging Christians and Jews.

I ask the court to release my client on his own recognizance without bond and we also ask the court to not confiscate his passport as he has to travel back to Iran to visit his ailing father. I regret to inform the court that I had to bear extremely bad news from Iran that my client's father is dying and only has a week to live. I will personally escort my client back to Iran and we both give our solemn assurances as honorable muslims, forbidden to lie, that we will return back to the States for the next court appearance. In the meantime, we ask that the court order the State of North Carolina to immediately initiate an investigation into this hate crime.

Your honor, my client is the victim in this terrible incident and he shouldn't be penalized simply because he's an Iranian or a muslim. Thank you

Posted by: Mahdi Al-Dajjal at March 4, 2006 5:53 PM

To the ACLU - hire this brilliant young legal mind (Mahdi Al-Dajjal) pronto!

Posted by: Caroline at March 4, 2006 6:08 PM

Okay, see that's the thing. This is the USA, they want to bring it they are going to get one heck of a reaction.

Ever go to bar?
Ever see a guy at a bar insult somebody's girlfriend, sister, or mother?
Remember the outcome?

I am not saying that this behavior in particular is something Americans should be proud of, however, on any given Friday night all across the country there is countless proof that Americans will, in fact, stand up for what they believe in.

Take that situation to the next level. All the guys inside the bar are worried about what the next Muslim "sole practitioner fanatic" is going to do that might endanger their girlfriend, their sister, or their mother -- they start talking to the guy next to them about it.

We have strong potential for a mob mentality of our own. And, again, not saying it is something to be proud of, Americans have long been picked at by Eurpeans for this very failing. But, in terms of willingness to take it outside....When it comes to America the Muslims will indeed have to take us street by street.

And that just isn't going to happen.

But I still say we should take the steps to stop it now...

After 9/11 there was great talk of how the sleeping beast (of the U.S.) had been rudely awakened -- well, the pieces that make up that beast have hit the snooze alarm -- and it's time to get them up guys -- we're late for work.

Posted by: toleranceorappeasement? at March 4, 2006 8:32 PM

Just to be clear -- I am not advocating violence in my above post -- I am logically considering that violence will be the likely outcome if we DON'T step up now. And stepping up now equals more open discussion, ceasing with the hands off approach to discussion of Islam, and, as warranted, stemming or ending immigration, deporting as necessary. Lawful, civilized means to end an unlawful, uncivilized threat.

I again, do not advocate violence, I simply observe that as a society I think - push to shove- we are quite capable of it if we let the situation degenerate that far.

Posted by: toleranceorappeasement? at March 4, 2006 8:40 PM

This act of terrorism,the media needs to call his murderous intended deed just that terrorism isn't it ironic.

Just two years ago UNC forced all incoming Freshman to read an Understanding of the Koran Book. I hope all the liberal professors understand that there is no understanding of an ideology that condones and justifies murder.

He, the terrorist is at Central Prison, in Raleigh, NC. I hope he get his just due. He should be segreated from the other inmates so that he doesn't spread his ignorance.

The terrorist had all the tools needed for a promising future in America, a supportive family, a college degree and a degree from UNC Chapel Hill.

There is no wondering why do they hate us so.

I do not wonder nor do I care. I just wish my government would stop encouraging and assisting those who refuse to adapt, those who refuse to respect our way of life and our laws passage to America.

I am tired of seeing fellow Americans maimed, killed and attacked by foreigners my government has given safe passage to.

You cannot changed 7 century ideas into 21rst Century Western Society.

Like President Bush said, "You are either with us or with the terrorists.

Looks like he chose the latter."

Posted by: bandy at March 4, 2006 8:56 PM

toleranceorappeasement: "I again, do not advocate violence, I simply observe that as a society I think - push to shove- we are quite capable of it if we let the situation degenerate that far."

You have expressed my own sentiments exactly. Many many posters here who repeatedly call for an end to Muslim immigration to the west do it precisely because we abhor violence and at the same time recognize human nature for what it is. Those who repeatedly call us "racists" and "bigots" and "islamophobes" for even daring to discuss limiting Muslim immigration (which in my opinion is the only sensible course to prevent certain bloodshed) are in my opinion, the ones who will have blood all over their hands, when the inevitable civil war happens, all over the west. Think Lebanon. Think Yugoslavia. That's what all the so-called "peace lovers" are driving us towards - over a certain cliff.

Posted by: Caroline at March 4, 2006 9:01 PM

toleranceorappeasement?

There is war being waged in America by Islam with political corrections and lies about religious and racial intolerance aganist Muslims.

Now we have our first publically documented assualt of Americans by a Muslim because he hates Americans for America's bad treatment of Muslims across the world. TFB.

How many innocent Americans have been murdred by Muslims without America being told??

How many America girls and women have been raped and murdered by Muslims without America being told??

The war with Islam is getting closer.

Prepare, be armed, be ready.

The Texican.

Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at March 4, 2006 9:05 PM

bandy: "I do not wonder nor do I care."

Admittedly, I used to wonder and I used to care. Thankfully, I'm now in recovery.

Posted by: Caroline at March 4, 2006 9:13 PM

See, it really is like a bar, and we need more bouncers!

Posted by: toleranceorappeasement? at March 4, 2006 9:53 PM

toleranceorappeasement: "See, it really is like a bar, and we need more bouncers!"

Actually, I worked as a bartender for many years while I was a grad student. Forget the bouncers. I'm issuing last call. :-)

Posted by: Caroline at March 4, 2006 10:16 PM

Well, it is on FOX and some of the 'debaters' give me the creeps:

One said: "Lets not turn this into a geo-political incident, its not as if he (the Muslim SUV driving terrorist) received his marching orders from Bin Laden...we don't know if it was an act of terrorism..."

The stupidity is mind-boggling, the willful ignorance in favor of the Mohammedan Jihadi, this would-be-murderer, really makes me cringe.

Are these appeasers on the Arab payroll, are they 'reverts' to Islam or are they suffering from 'Islam-derangement-syndrome?'

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 4, 2006 10:33 PM

DC Snipers anyone? I bet after a while the networks will start calling him by his American nickname and denying he's Musllim

Posted by: Dumbo at March 5, 2006 5:38 AM

I agree with your general post, Toleranceorappeasement, but I would like to comment on one of your phrases pertainint to the European prejudices about American aggression and tendency for "mob violence":

"Americans have long been picked at by Eurpeans for this very failing. "

Yes -- and this exposes the utter hypocrisy of the Europeans -- Who gave us Napoleon, that 19th Century proto-Hitler? Who gave us the endless internecine warfare of the entire 19th Century -- wars which claimed the deaths of millions piled upon millions? Who gave us the nut job Karl Marx, the architect of that criminally insane utopian ideology of "Communism" which was responsible for more deaths in the 20th Century than perhaps any other ideology? Who gave us the Kaiser, and his German nationalist grandchild Nazism and Hitler. And who, by dint of the European invention of Marxist Communism, gave us Hitler's evil triplet brethren Stalin and Mao -- the terrifying triumverate of mass murderers par excellence? It was Europe! EUROPE, that seething cauldron of class hatred and dysfunctionality. Europe was the playground then for the world's worst 20th Century fascisms, as it now reprises the role as the playground for the worst 21st Century Fascism! It's Europe. EUROPE who has the congenital predilection for mob violence and barbarity! They gave us the 21st Century Holocaust, and seem to be working on the 21st Century Holocaust. Whether they will be the persons shoved in the oven in the end, or the Muslims will be by them, it's Europe! WW1 and WW2 and WW3! Europe!

When you write, and suggest by implication that bar room brawls, or mob violence are somehow a uniquely American phenomenon, you're tacitly buying into the craven and deceptive hypocrisies of America-loathing Canadians and Europeans who would prefer to project the fear and loathing of their ids onto the blank screen of a cartoon America "over there"-- one whose true spirit is so forgiving and careless in the best sense of the word that such accusations and beliefs simply go off with a shrug by most Americans. But that time, perhaps, must come to an end. I believe this heinous canard of the European psyche has done much to lull them to sleep regarding their own gargantuan problems, most urgently, the influx of inimical enemies in the form 25,000,000 hate filled Muslims.

I am not one of those who shrugs this deeply entrenched and socially sanctioned anti-Ameircanism off. It must be rooted out at every level. I think this malignant projection by our Canadian and European friends has now gone so far, and has become so malignant and insane as to threaten the very fabric of what DOES unite us as Westerners... Their malignant fantasies, their off kilter assessments of us, their cartoon understanding of the American character and American ethos says everything about THEM, their seething ids, their sublimated rage and prejudice, and says nearly nothing truthful about us.

We certainly shouldn't participate with their delusions about us.And the extent to which these fantasies are continuously nourished and propegated, is the extent to which Europe and others will continue to bury their heads in the sand, and fail to act against their true enemy -- the fascist eating machine of Islam.

Just wanted to weigh in on that one...

Posted by: jsla at March 5, 2006 11:36 AM

JSLA,

I really find comfort in the mixed up melting pot that America is. I know that such multicultural leanings can be difficult to reconcile with the current situation. It's part of what took me a long time to be able to reach my now held conclusions about Islam. But, not throwing the baby out with the bath water here, I love the diversity of America.

Despite the fact that Europeans, in days past usually upper level socioeconomic Europeans, have long picked on the "uncivilized" American, we are made up, in fairly large part, OF Europeans. Perhaps this was how they deflected their self hatred or removed themselves from blame for causing so many to wish to emmigrate?

My main point in this reponse, is, I suppose, that I believe a good number of Europeans do share these traits with us. I don't believe that any of us will make for easy conquest by a group set against our ideals. And we need to band together.

But, that really means that people need to speak up. People need to start using their law keeping and making power, as well as whatever degree of influence they have over getting people elected to stem the tide now.

You speak of European leaders that were greedy in their rise to power. Let us never forget that history is written by the vicotorious. We live now in a time where American history had long been written pro-American, pro-western settler because of who was doing the writing.

That is one of the most interesting changes that I see from a scholarly viewpoint -- that before our fall from power, our histories had started to change.

It is good and decent to be willing to be aware of the mistakes that your government and culture have made. It is good to let go of narcissium to a degree that allows a realistic overview of your societies accomplishments AND failings.

But, as the pendulum that allowed us to look at the mistreatment of African Americans in this country both under slavery and after continued to swing we acknowledge our wrongs committed in western expansion, we all felt bad via Dances with Wolves, we became more aware that other cultures should and could not be measured by our own measuring stick because they were other cultures and had different priorities. "Failing" in one of our categories didn't make them bad.
Good for us!

But that pendulum has reached such an arc these days! So that we do not even speak to defend our own beliefs. We cower in the corner murmering Mia Culpas. There is a point at which we need to generate our own good press. At which we need to say "HEY!" Look at all the good we have done!

50 years ago that argument was ridiculous because that is ALL that our textbooks and articles focused on. Today they hardly focus on it at all.

We must rebuild the pride of a western civilization that has too long now been told from within that it was an evil colonial power.

Conquest predates western civilization. And it will thrive as long as the world keeps spinning round -- regardless of the fortunes of the western world.

We didn't invent war or subjegation. It seems a sad footnote to the soul of humanity that such things simply are.

So let us accept that they are, and then decide what is worth preserving, speaking for, and fighting for.

I guess this is my long winded way of saying that the MSM is slowly killing us.

They kill our spirit by reporting all our bad, but carefully couching their reports of what others do.

Is this merely the nature of the pendulum? Or was there intent when last this pendulum was pushed into motion?

My hope is that it doesnt' matter. That by virtue of being a pendulum, it will swing back.

And, MSM aside, I think it may just be starting to swing back the other way.

Posted by: toleranceorappeasement? at March 5, 2006 3:07 PM

when I said that the motor vehicle has been used as a deadly weapon, I meant in terrorist attacks here in Israel.

Posted by: Eliyahu at March 5, 2006 5:12 PM

I am completely new to this site, and to blogs in general. I am so glad that I found this forum to read what others think on these topics of religious insanity. I really am particularly interested in reading what muslims have to say about this mindless UNC loser and other topics relating to muslim rage.

As many others have posted- It's almost laughable to see people like this make the muslim (their very own) situation worse and worse- how can they wonder why? I can't write intelligibly about particular details of the muslim religion, but presumably their actions are in honor of their god, right? Apparently many muslims think that muhammad would LIKE innocent people killed in his name. Do I understand correctly? Does muhammad WANT his loyal people to riot, threaten and kill others over silly cartoons? What a great god he must be...

Where I live- I've never heard ANYTHING in the way of public statements or assurances that the muslim community is outraged by actions such as these, or any other public threat made overseas (and rediculously broadcast over and over again on CNN and the like). When the peaceful muslims band together against the evil muslims who mutilate their religion- then maybe things will change. I realize that a tiny minority of muslims are wrecking the reputation of all of the rest of them- but they have to DO something about it!

Posted by: MST3K at March 5, 2006 11:27 PM

"Deport the scum."

No, I have a better idea: First, sentence him to the maximum for each of the six students he injured. Six counts of assault with intent to kill should keep him in prison until he is dead, dead, dead. Second, before sending him to prison, take him on a world tour of sites of Muslim genocide. Introduce him to survivors of Islam's peaceful "tolerance and respect." Third, put him in a cell with a TV that only plays documentaries of Muslim atrocities, with an emphasis on the faces of dead women and children.

Posted by: pst314 at March 5, 2006 11:48 PM

I saw one cable news commentator saying that it wasn't clear whether the perpetrator was an Islamic extremist or just mentally deranged.

It's a distinction without a difference.

Posted by: Hammer_Time at March 6, 2006 1:12 AM

--Sounds like the po' misguided boy was trying to kill some students, then be killed himself in revenge. Then, I guess, he was hoping to make his way to paradise and the supposed 72 virgins.
As a fourth generation Carolina grad, I have a better idea...After the trial, let's incarcerate his heathen behind at Central Prison. There, his po' misguided butt can be used like a virgin, by a train of 72 sex-starved inmates.
If he does not bleed to death from the experience, he will probably hang himself in shame. Either way, he can serve as a sterling example, of what happens to would be-Jihadists, when they attack innocent students at Carolina.

Posted by: Faaast at March 6, 2006 3:59 PM

So, this "psychology major" taheria(ba)zar, injures 15 people,killing none (thankfully.)Maybe this lug nut should have taken drivers ed. We should all chip in and get him the traditional mid. east head covering, as I'm sure he'll make a lovely wife for some bruiser in prison.

Posted by: mustang65 at March 7, 2006 1:38 PM