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An update on the Chapel Hill jihad from WRAL.com:
HILLSBOROUGH, N.C. -- A suspect who is accused of hitting students with a sport utility vehicle at the University of North Carolina made his first court appearance Monday.Mohammed Taheri-azar, a 2005 UNC-Chapel Hill graduate, smiled and waved before his hearing Monday. Taheri-azar told the courtroom that he was "thankful for the opportunity to spread the will of Allah."
As he left court, Taheri-azar told reporters, "the truth is my lawyer." When asked if he was trying to kill people, he said yes.
Taheri-azar was appointed a public defender in court. A young woman believed to be Taheri-azar's sister did not comment on the case as she left to get into her car.
Also on Monday, authorities released the 911 call that Taheri-azar made shortly after Friday's incident.
In the call, he tells the 911 operator that the police could go and pick him up at the corner of Hillview and Plant roads, where he is waiting outside the vehicle.
"You can come arrest me," Taheri-azar said.
He also tells the operator that he thinks he may have hit 15 people and that his reason for doing so was to "punish the government of the United States for [its] actions around the world." He goes on to say that more of why he did it was in a letter on his bed inside his apartment.
Posted by Robert at March 6, 2006 3:43 PM
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His attorney, or an attorney contacted by the family, said he's "disturbed." His family, of course, is "shocked" and "can't imagine why he'd do such a thing."
He's a graduate in psychology with no history of mental illness, and already explained why he did it, but I guess canards have no expiration date.
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at March 6, 2006 4:16 PM
"He goes on to say that more of why he did it was in a letter on his bed inside his apartment".
He must have been worried about not making it out alive after his little jihad. Like maybe a car swarm Palestinian style. At any rate, I hope someone puts a bullet in his head before he gets to court so he can't spew his vile Islamic propaganda.
This is another reason to stop muslim immigration and outlaw Islam in America. You just never know when a good, pious, peaceloving muslim is going to lose the plot.
at March 6, 2006 4:22 PM
For the love of God where was Homeland Security. Why was he not politely asked to leave the country when he graduated. Also What is his sisters status in being here. Our HS at work. Billions of tax dollars and nothing but hassles at the airport.
Posted by: vulcan at March 6, 2006 4:23 PM
We need to watch this one closely, if they charge him with anything less than attempted murder we should all start calling, writing and demanding answers as to why. He has already admitted quilt and his intent was clear. If a redneck drove a truck into a crowd leaving a mosque all hell would break lose. Let this guy get off light and it could encourage many more such attacks. If ever we need to make an example this case is it. I’m going to turn on the news now and wait for all the Imams to demand this guys get punished severely for making a mockery of the religion of peace.
Posted by: Ronin at March 6, 2006 4:24 PM
When he goes to the pen, he'll be spewing jihad.
And the Muslims there, will welcome him with open arms.
Posted by: freewoman at March 6, 2006 4:24 PM
Freewoman, I suspect since he left a letter that he thought he would be killed in the crash and hence martyred. He was not planning on prison, heaven help him if bubba had a relative at UNC. I’m sure they would treat him with all the proper respect due him.
Posted by: Ronin at March 6, 2006 4:31 PM
He's obviously another clueless muslim fruitcake – and probably another devotee to Iran's fruitcake-in-chief, Ahmaboob Ahneedajob…
Hopefully, he'll be murdered in prison.
at March 6, 2006 4:33 PM
I don't know...I think he's a test case. To see what the reaction would be to a blantant attack by a Muslim.
He seemed all to ready to call 911 but if you listen to the tape the little coward wanted to make sure the police knew he didn't sign up for "suicide by cop". He wouldn't even stay in his car because he was worried about it.
It just seems very fishy to me. Extremely staged. And I don't think he wanted to die. He could have done things differently to do that.
Mark my words...this is just the first. When we dhimmi up and look the other way, more will come!
Posted by: habalahkabalah at March 6, 2006 4:40 PM
The victims ought to receive some diversity
training. They need to be helped to understand
that the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful
and loving.
at March 6, 2006 4:42 PM
Now Den_man, don't be hasty, if he is murdered he would still be a martyr. If he is like most muslims he is of small stature and can be used to build morale of bigger lonelier men. A fate worse than death. Another big powerful muslim warrior, couldn’t even kill people standing still with a truck. It could make you question if Allah was trying to tell him something. Maybe something like, “you’re an idiot, rot in prison. You will not get your 72 virgins but you can be a wife”. I bet Allah called him a few names too but now that I am PC I can’t tell you what they were.
Posted by: Ronin at March 6, 2006 4:45 PM
And of course, his studies were supported
by theAmerican taxpayer.
Who keeps giving visas to these people
(including green cards to Muslim Somalis who
are settled en masse in Minessota?!)
at March 6, 2006 4:45 PM
And this is what we can expect from a moderate.
Posted by: alaskan1000 at March 6, 2006 4:51 PM
Ronin:
LOL! You're right of course. Being Bubba's bitch would be MUCH worse than death!!
(Good enough for him)
Posted by: Den_Man at March 6, 2006 4:54 PM
they will cover it up,saying he is disturbed! but of course the PC media will not connect the dots to islam! hope in jail he get to be cute boy!
Posted by: Lulu at March 6, 2006 4:54 PM
ugh! I just watched a local Homeland guy warning us all to be contstructive and be careful how we adress the act, etc. It's so freakin' unbelievable that the victim has to make sure not to offend the perp. The video is on CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/06/unc.crash.ap/index.html
Click on the video on the bottom right to hear how afraid we are to be outraged!
at March 6, 2006 5:01 PM
Vote with your feet but first make sure you send a letter to CNN telling them why you are switching stations.
Posted by: Ronin at March 6, 2006 5:18 PM
His ex-roommate's comments make clear that what changed for this guy is that he recently started studying the Quran:
From the Daily Tar Heel:
http://media.www.dailytarheel.com/media/paper885/news/2006/03/06/University/he.Was.Calm.WellSpoken-1655853.shtml?sourcedomain=www.dailytarheel.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com
"Dan Van Atta, a senior computer science major, was Taheri-azar's suitemate in Craige Residence Hall in 2001, during their freshman year.
Taheri-azar was smart, though a tad shy, he said. "It was more as though he was willing to listen."
The two fell out of touch after that year, and when they next talked extensively last spring, Taheri-azar had become slightly different.
"He'd become a better person," Van Atta said. "He pretty much lived up to the religious ideals of being a good person."
During their conversation, religion came up, and Taheri-azar said he had begun studying the Quran.
"I'd like to say he was more truthful afterward. He completely swore off alcohol and drugs.""
Van Atta would have been more correct to note that Taheri-azar had begun to live up to the religious ideals of a good Muslim (rather than a good "person"). Swear off drugs and alcohol. Murder a few infidels instead.
at March 6, 2006 5:25 PM
From the article posted by habalahkabalah,
"The school's chapter of the College Republicans helped organize Monday's campus rally against terrorism".
And the school muslims didn't organize a rally against terrorism? I bet they were busy trying to get their buddy a lawyer. If we would just show some compassion and let him go, I’m sure he is sorry. True he looks as if he is laughing in the photo but you don’t understand what it is like to be oppressed for centuries. This is the fault of a Zionist club at UNC that sold a faulty SUV to an unsuspecting muslim, forced him to write a letter and drove into a crowd (and escaped unseen) leaving the poor boy to take the wrap. He is only claiming guilt because of centuries of abuse and a deep distrust and hatred of cartoons, especially south park because it makes fun of muslims. We should demand that he be deported back to a muslim country to be re educated in proper islam. Putting him in prison will serve no one and releasing him would show true compassion and understanding. Sarcasm off.
Posted by: Ronin at March 6, 2006 5:31 PM
Yeah, notice in that article how the students are singing his praises and feel like he was "pushed into doing something". No, he was being a proper Muslim finally. But I be he was having a hard time adjusting after college and thought..you know...this would be a great time for me to kill some infidels.
Posted by: habalahkabalah at March 6, 2006 5:32 PM
His family, of course, is "shocked" and "can't imagine why he'd do such a thing."
Sure he might have dabbled in college with drinking and smoking a little pot, but what college student doesn't? Even Slick Willy Clinton smoked a little, but says he never inhaled (that English reefer is like smoking old tires anyway). But he put that behind him, he now became interested in religion. So once again, nobody can understand what caused this likeable loveable young man to do such a thing.
It's the Koran, stupid!
Posted by: Lisa at March 6, 2006 5:34 PM
America should learn from Singapore’s high court to hang the young Vietnamese-Australian drug smuggler last Summer despite Australian government’s appeals. “Kill one as a warning to a hundred!” No mercy! That’s why there is no Muslim terrorist threat in Singapore like its neighboring countries -- Indonesia, Malaysia and Pakistan. You think Muslims are not afraid to die -- or at least to die for not killing infidels?!
The Iranian guy is needed at least to put behind bar – for the rest of his life without parole -- where he will taste to get beat up by American macho prisoners.
Western education has failed to neutralize his Muslim evil thoughts. Then his mind is a terrible thing to keep.
at March 6, 2006 5:34 PM
Ronin,
They've charged him with nine counts of attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon, and lesser includeds as well.
I doubt North Carolina is going to let this slide for PC reasons.
Posted by: Beagle at March 6, 2006 5:37 PM
This is definitely something worth keeping tabs on, especially since it only required something that most americans can get access to: a motor vehicle.
It is also interesting to note that I cannot find any concept of spiritual defense in Islam. Where other religions might pray for someone who disagrees with them, send white light, or exorcize percieved demons, I cannot find any of those things in Islam. (Robert Spencer, correct me if I am wrong?) Thus, all the conflict takes place on the physical plane with physical conflict and violence.
Posted by: Akhetnu at March 6, 2006 5:40 PM
Beagle, we still have to watch and see who tries to drop the charges down or asks for "tolerance" remember to write it down for the next round of elections.
Posted by: Ronin at March 6, 2006 5:41 PM
habalahkabalah
The terrorism "expert" couldn't compete with the knowledge RS keeps in his back pocket. Of course we must "understand the roots of it."
As the perpetrator made in painfully clear, I wonder what academic hokus pokus he has in mind?
Posted by: Beagle at March 6, 2006 5:43 PM
Ronin,
I agree. I can already hear attorneys loading up the insanity defenses for all their Muslim clients, despite the lack of any documented mental illness, and the ability of all these jihadis to act "normal" until the Islam begins to take effect. That's fine for the defense attorneys. It's their job.
Politicians and academics deserve the brass-knuckle treatment for the same thing.
Posted by: Beagle at March 6, 2006 5:46 PM
This guy is young, not too muscular looking from his pic. Once he is inside a NC state prison, Big Leroy is really going to love him, or will it be some white supremacist type that first makes him his bitch. Justice will be had when he is made to squeal like a pig.
Posted by: Lisa at March 6, 2006 5:48 PM
Beagle, the insanity defense requires proof of cognitive dissonance. Oh, sorry, that is Islam.
Posted by: Lisa at March 6, 2006 5:52 PM
It is written in the "koran"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5CzB7gCl1mY
at March 6, 2006 5:52 PM
Well, at least we now know:
WHAT WOULD MOHAMMAD DRIVE?
Posted by: profitsbeard at March 6, 2006 6:01 PM
Carolyn,
great song, and for the kids a new LEGO toy (support Denmark too)
Posted by: Lisa at March 6, 2006 6:25 PM
Lisa, Now that's funny I don't care who you are (my apologizes to Larry the cable guy). It shouldn't start riots, as it was not a cartoon.
Posted by: Ronin at March 6, 2006 6:40 PM
Lisa - I prefer the clothed Mohammed. (Wonder how many people said that during his lifetime!)
http://blog.infinitemonkeysblog.com/archive/Legohammed.jpg
Taheri-azar has Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's condition: A penchant for honesty that embarrasses the taqiyya-vendors.
Let him keep talking. Better yet, get him to bring up chapters and verses as much as possible. Everyone get out their list of incriminating Quran quotes and mark them as he cites them; it'll be like playing jihad-bingo!
The folks at CAIR will be swigging Maalox straight out of the bottle while watching this man, made so honest by his renewed interest in the Quran, do his thing.
But will they send a "moderate" cleric to tell him where he's wrong?
Posted by: Shinoliite at March 6, 2006 6:46 PM
Taheri-azar told the courtroom that he was "thankful for the opportunity to spread the will of Allah." Join the dots indeed! How long is it going to take for "the powers that be" to acknowledge this abhorent state of afairs? This animal has absolutely no remorse for what he's done and should be punnished to the full extent of the law. When asked if he was trying to kill people, he said yes.. He has to be a goner.
Posted by: stranger at March 6, 2006 6:52 PM
lisa said "It's the Koran, stupid!"
Wow. thats fantastic! How come I haven't thought of that one?
I hope that this mujahedeen will be tried on TERRORISM charges and NOT some sissy assault charge. Isn't terrorism a CAPITAL crime? See, anyone who purposely invokes Islam and assaults Americans is guilty of TERRORISM, and that should be punished by DEATH.
Freedom isn't free...
and, the constitution is not a suicide pact.
at March 6, 2006 7:15 PM
Memo to george_ren:
It makes absolutely NO difference what the individual personalities of Muslims are like--'peaceful' or otherwise.
I say this BECAUSE the hard fact is ALL Muslims are obligated by their 'religion' to-
#1-)obey the commands set forth by the Kuran (which includes the following: "After the forbidden months have passed slaughter the unbelievers everywhere they are found, besiege them, capture them, torture them, set upon them every strategem of warfare; tax them upon their conversion; lo, the ways of al-lah are indeed merciful") and--
# 2-)obey their imams (mosque dictator)--and if that means attack and slaughter non-Muslims that's what they are required to for al-lah...and if they refuse to obey they can be killed by Islamic death squads for being unbelievers.
While it is lovely that you have judged this book by its 'peaceful' cover, you might just want to get some hard information there to go with your heartfelt view.
I have a question for you: If the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful why then is their history the bloodiest of any group in human history?
Before answering, realize that excuses made up on the behalf of Islam won't cut it here. We've all heard innumerable excuses made to justify the horrors perpetrated by Islam too often and seen through them all.
Buddy, Islam IS violence and all who belong to it are committed to that violence (whether they wish to be or NOT) regardless of how they may appear to outsiders. And by the, way, you did know that Muslims are EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED FROM HONEST RELATIONS WITH non-MUSLIMS --which likely includes you-- (this is called al-taqiyya). Didn't you?????
ps---- You might try asking somebody from Southern Sudan, Yugoslavia, India, or Armenia if THEY think Muslims are peaceful. Most likely they will tell you NO!!!!
Posted by: pythagoras at March 6, 2006 7:31 PM
pythagoras - I agree with you. I mean if you look at Nazism, there were pleanty of peace loving Germans also - but they also prescribed, albiet passively to Nazism.
Also the majority of Germans did not literally take up arms against their enemies. By the definitions that we use today for Muslims/Islam being peaceful, well the same can be said for Nazi's.
Until society recognizes that it is an idea that we are fighting, that is Islam, (just like we did in WW2 to some degree) then we have lost this cultural war.
There are pleanty of peaceful Muslims who live according to and within the bounds of our laws. However the Islam is a time bomb waiting to explode. This is one case of that time bomb. Many more will follow.
at March 6, 2006 7:48 PM
pythagoras - george_rem was obviously being sarcastic!
Posted by: Caroline at March 6, 2006 7:56 PM
Akhetnu says: "It is also interesting to note that I cannot find any concept of spiritual defense in Islam. Where other religions might pray for someone who disagrees with them, send white light, or exorcize percieved demons, I cannot find any of those things in Islam."
Interesting insight. No spiritual defenses in islam. Everything is physical. Materialistic.
It's a good thing this idiot was a psychology student. Think what he would have done with that vehicle if he had been a chemical engineer.
Posted by: texan at March 6, 2006 8:20 PM
caroline:
I'll bet you're 100% right.
However I'd say there's a pretty vast number of people out there that STILL believe stuff like what george_rem wrote (even if HE meant it sarcastically) and some such folks may even have won Academy Awards last night.
Clearly, I'm not always proficient at telling the difference.
My sincere apologies for the gaffe!
pythagoras
Posted by: pythagoras at March 6, 2006 8:34 PM
I’m going to turn on the news now and wait for all the Imams to demand this guys get punished severely for making a mockery of the religion of peace.
Ronin, I'll be looking as well, but as history has proven before, we may be in for a long night.
I'm signing off now due to "Komment Kraziness" coming over me.
Posted by: Bayoucoyote at March 6, 2006 8:45 PM
We're going to spread the word of Allah too.
Raleigh,NC alert
Organizing a group of RTP,North Carolina citizens that will educate the NC public about the ideology of radical Islam.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RTP911 at March 6, 2006 9:07 PM
... to punish the government of the United States for [its] actions around the world.
Yeah, like removing a dictator and fostering freedom and democracy in Iraq. Which is making mischief in the land. Which in turn is punishable by death.
We have no choice but to give Mohammed Taheri-azar a pass on this. He is only carrying out the dictates of what George calls "one of the world's great religions" and Condi "a religion with a heart" and Tony "a religion of peace."
Mohammed is in excellent company and on solid ground here. His mass murder attempt was Koranically correct and, therefore, also politically corrrect.
Also, I dig the old school spelling he gives his name. Word, my Persian buddy!
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at March 6, 2006 9:17 PM
Its time to get your unbelieving friends involved.
This book is on line and its "In Islams [Muhammad's] own words"
http://www.teawithterrorists.com/ltr.html
Plese pass this link on before more blood flows out of ignorance of the RELIGION OF TERROR.
Posted by: paulc37 at March 6, 2006 9:33 PM
pythagoras - "My sincere apologies for the gaffe!"
No need. Your post is hereby officially redirected "to whom it shall concern!" There. That should take care of it! :-)
Posted by: Caroline at March 6, 2006 9:35 PM
On one news report it was said that this joker was here since he was 2 years old. He does not speak any Arabic dialects, and is as American as anyone (his parents are Iranian). I guess he wanted to reconnect with his roots. Some people build a family tree, others visit and interview grandparents- maybe mowing over innocent civilians is just his way of connecting with his family tradition.
I really should read the Quaran for myself, because it really is almost too hard to believe that any religion of prominence would actually support the killing of people who did not believe its teachings. Sounds like it should have a parental warning on it.
Nobody hold your breath waiting for any sort of statement from the muslim community. If the Quaran is as pro-violence toward non-muslims as is suggested- a muslim apologizing for actions like these would be like a Catholic apologizing for following one of the 10 commandments. Tom Friedman produced a really interesting show that I saw on The Discovery Times Channel about the root cause of 911, and the reasons for the anti-American sentiments, and he said something that I thought was very true: There will either be a war within the culture (Islam) or there will be a war between the cultures.
Posted by: MST3K at March 7, 2006 12:09 AM
Once we began allowing immigration from Muslim countries we openned the door to this. Europe has a much, much bigger problem with this, but there is a growing restiveness with the way in which the European populations have been put at risk by the policies of their political elites. Now that the Muslim Brotherhood has adequately kick-started the renewal of jihad, the momentum of history is decidedly in favor of the renewal of traditional Islam. We may begin to see the need, in the future, for drastic actions like deportation of Muslims out of the West and back to dar al Islam. Then, strong measures will have to be taken to keep them out of our countries. There is too much at risk to trust the emergence of that elusive apostatic phenomenon called "moderate Islam."
at March 7, 2006 12:21 AM
I will pray for these people. Islam is proving to be an illness. NOT a religion.
Posted by: jawknee at March 6, 2006 10:58 PM
Islam is a pernicious disease that will kill you even if you haven't been infected by it. Its malignant tentacles reach far and wide, oozing poison and toxins into our communities, our schools, our institutions, and our lives.
How many more "nice, quiet, religious, devout, innocuous" muslims will go berserk to spread the word of allah, killing or maiming innocent people who have never harmed anyone? Why are we expected to trust these wolves in sheep's clothing, never knowing when their Islamic devotion will send them on a terroristic rampage? How can they coexist peacefully with us when they have been brainwashed with the delusion that they are superior, yet suffer the indignities of oppression and victimization because they do not dominate us?
They are taught from very early childhood to hate non-muslims but to pretend otherwise if it is expedient to do so. We teach our children that it is sinful to cheat, lie, kill, rape, steal; muslims teach their children that allah will reward them for committing these acts against non-muslims. Yes, Islam is indeed a chronic malady, but muslims have no right to inflict their scourge on us.
Posted by: Susanp at March 7, 2006 12:21 AM
Where are the protests by the ummah/Muslim world against this man who "misrepresented/hijacked" Islam that caused non-MUslims and cartoonists to associate Islam with violence and terrorism? The Muslim world had displayed violent outrages on such a grand scale, against non-Muslim cartoonists who "misrepresented" Islam by associating Islam with terrorism and violence, but their silence against Muslims that amounted to tacit approval is telling.
at March 7, 2006 12:32 AM
Free lance, d.i.y. jihadist in action, shoot him!
Posted by: Dumbo at March 7, 2006 1:01 AM
Just imagine if a gathering of Muslim students had been smashed into by a "white" recent psychology graduate who openly and happily expressed taking vengeance for 9-11 and all the other jihadist attacks on innocent non-believers by Muslims around the world....
Elite press in America and around the world would be hysterical over it with prominent and relentless coverage. Then would come weeks of editorials and commentary on how deep-seated, pathological "Islamophobia" in America drove him to this hateful, mindless act.
There would be much hand-wringing and soul-searching about how an charged atmosphere of intolerance and bigotry created the conditions necessary for this individual to cross over the line into violence. In short, we would ALL (in "Amerika") be responsible for his hateful action.
By contrast, watch how the ACTUAL incident, the usual Muslim on Non-believer violence, is minimized by emphasizing how this is just an isolated incident of one unbalanced young man having little or nothing to do with Islam or Terrorism; basically an unfortunate traffic accident with a mentally troubled individual behind the wheel... someone who needs help, not condemnation and more hate on top of the hate he already feels inside his troubled soul. Yes, a 'Cry for Help', we've all heard that before, right? He will end up being the victim. It's predictable, and utterly despicable!
Posted by: Hammer_Time
at March 7, 2006 1:24 AM
I saw one cable news commentator speculating earlier today as to whether the perpetrator was "mentally unbalanced" or an Islamic radical?
The answer is YES! Both. Same thing.
Posted by: Hammer_Time at March 7, 2006 1:35 AM
Truly amazing how many apologists for the moon-cult are coming out of the woodworks to make sure 'was just an isolated incident' that it has 'nothing to do with violent Jihad' and that 'we can't tar all muslims with the same brush'- you've heard it before.
How important are the tuition-fees to UNC by the 'tiny minority' of Mohammedans? How important (in dollar terms) is the coverup to pretend that everything is 'peaceful' and well, that there is nothing to worry about...? PC and stupidity is killing us, PC and stupidity are the downfall of western civilization...
The situation, folks, is truly mind-boggling: You have western politprops of all sizes and shapes sucking the Mohammedans off, whether it's Peanut-Carter or Al Gor-(gious) whether it is the German Shredder or Blow-job Clinton, the Bushes or the Gallow-swines or the grimacing, the corrupt Jaques Chirac:
All are hoping to get a piece of that Arab money (which is actually OUR money) for their personal monuments of vanity, and if its not that, then simply for the sake of being re-elected. Like the despicable wimp Jack Straw, ('using force is no option'- and 'the alternative is too horrible to contemplate...")
We have NO leaders in the west. We have 'administrators' as in bankruptcy, who are selling us out to the highest bidder.
Time for the people to make tabula rasa and personally, I wouldn't' mind to see some heads roll...
at March 7, 2006 1:55 AM
I understand why he did it: the savage is a "good Muslim." We denounce Nazis, Klansmen, etc. but when some group wraps themselves around a false religion, no one wants to say that they are wrong.
What really burns me up is that so many appologists for islam keep saying that the terrorists are "only a minority," they are "only on the fringe." When will the civilized world wake up to learn that if a Muslim does not slaughter animals and infidels in the name of his or her religion it is because he or she is not actually practicing islam. Terrorism is part of mainstream islam.
Posted by: wiseone at March 7, 2006 2:01 AM
I really should read the Quaran for myself, because it really is almost too hard to believe that any religion of prominence would actually support the killing of people who did not believe its teachings. Sounds like it should have a parental warning on it.
As my Minister said, holding up his battered Penguin Dawood translation, the day the Imam came to speak about Islam
"How do you deal with all this violence? This is a terrible book. Why would anybody want to be a Muslim?"
at March 7, 2006 3:43 AM
I will pray for these people. Islam is proving to be an illness. NOT a religion.
Does it matter what we call it?
Etymologically, religion comes from the Latin root religio, which means "a binding". I suppose all religions do bind communities together - they have that sociological function. And Islam was certainly successful at binding a close-knit band of 7th-century warriors together.
But the question is, for any particular religion: What other characteristics does it have?
Islam must be judged not by whether or not it is a "religion" but on what its specific content is.
Probably when people use the term "religion" they are usually thinking of terms of some particular belief-system having a reference to the unseen - to a divine reality. In my view, it's not for me to comment on whether or not I think there is anything like that to refer to, and no one can prove the point one way or the other.
But I will say this. Merely because Islam can be classed as "a religion", it doesn't mean it has, or should have, some special status beyond criticism. Hugh, if I understood him right, has said here before that President Bush is overly impressed by the fact that Islam is "a religion". I think that's probably right. But the answer would seem to me to be not say that it isn't, but to address what its teachings actually say and what its keenest adherents actually do.
There have been Pakistanis marching in the streets with a poster showing Mr Bush's head with horns added to make him look like Satan. I think that is absurd. They think he's against them - and they want to believe he is. If they only knew ... your president is a obviously a kind man who finds comfort in his own religious beliefs, thinks "religions" are a good thing per se, and judges Islam far less harshly than he should. I think it's a most dangerous illusion.
We don't want to be hypnotized by words: let's judge Islam on its content.
This is what Robert is doing in his books:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/books/
Posted by: Yojimbo at March 7, 2006 4:10 AM
There are limits to what the mainstream will tolerate -- I have to say that I am more on edge than ever before about the cheerful young Muslim man who attends the same classes I attend -- not that he makes any threatening statements or gestures -- but when one sees that there is no way reliably to distinguish the "moderates" from the others, when one learns that the Muslims who "go postal" were, beforehand, "normal", "nice", "great guys", etc., then you look at the Muslim guy you sort of know, and really wonder, do I have to worry that this guy is going to go postal on me and my friends or family some day? True, only a small percentage of Muslims engage in terrorism -- but when you have millions of Muslims, even just 1 percent among them being willing to engage in mass murder is just too many to be tolerated, especially when you reflect that it is part of a global jihad to gradually impose theocratic sharia everywhere and make second-class citizens of the rest of us -- as shown by the Koran's own statements. And while perhaps only 1% would actually engage in mass murder, another 4% of Muslims would be willing indirectly to support terrorism, and an even larger percentage (50%? 60%? 40%?), while they may reject terrorism, nevertheless want theocratic sharia established in place of Western institutions. At least these numbers seem to have been the result of a poll of British Muslims. But check me on the numbers. Maybe I'm wrong.
Look at the abominable horror of the torture murder in France we have recently heard about, where Muslims plucked some poor Jew off the street and did unmentionable things to his flesh for 3 weeks, when at last he died. If you don't care about Jews, check it out, your next.
One wierd thing -- how can it be that no one was badly injured by a guy attempting to kill with an SUV? Did he go soft in the midst of the act and let up on the gas? What do the victims say? Are they agreed that he was doing his best to murder them?
Posted by: eduardo odraude at March 7, 2006 5:55 AM
Does it matter what we call it?
Very much so. The ramifications of Islam's fake status as a religion --- legal, social, and political --- are enormous.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at March 7, 2006 6:03 AM
Where are the terrorism charges for this heinous act of cowardice?
You can bet your sweet a%& that any American who would provoke a mooslem would be charged with hate crimes immediatley and a speedy trial would ensure.
Lets call it what it really is...TERRORISM.
Posted by: chuck at March 7, 2006 6:06 AM
Actually, to correct my last post, if 1% of Muslims is willing to do terrorism and thus commit mass murder, then even 100 Muslims -- never mind millions -- seems too many to have among us.
However, just to be clear, I am not and never will be for mob action to deal with this problem. I am for democratic consultation on appropriate legislation and taking actions solely according to law.
Posted by: eduardo odraude at March 7, 2006 6:13 AM
I still think it's a peaceful religion. Condi said so....
Posted by: mistyhymen at March 7, 2006 6:43 AM
Eduardo posted:
"...when one sees that there is no way reliably to distinguish the "moderates" from the others, when one learns that the Muslims who "go postal" were, beforehand, "normal", "nice", "great guys", etc., then you look at the Muslim guy you sort of know, and really wonder, do I have to worry that this guy is going to go postal on me and my friends or family some day? True, only a small percentage of Muslims engage in terrorism -- but when you have millions of Muslims, even just 1 percent among them being willing to engage in mass murder is just too many to be tolerated, especially when you reflect that it is part of a global jihad to gradually impose theocratic sharia everywhere and make second-class citizens of the rest of us -- as shown by the Koran's own statements..."
I said it before and I'll say it again: They're all in on it, that's what they do and if they don't blow themselves up or kill infidels in the name of the moon-cult, then they aid and abet those who do. Basta. Just watch them rejoice at every act of terror, while they deny it in the face of incredulous infidels, then turn around and make up the justification for it...
The 'Tiny minority of extremists' BS becomes less credible every day. With every atrocity more infidels smell the coffee, even the more docile and dulled Brits seem to'get it' before their government geeks are even ready to acknowledge it.
Internment and deportations NOW!
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 7, 2006 7:13 AM
From the leftist higher education internet journal. This is how they react to this:
It wasn’t 9/11 and there were no serious injuries. But some University of North Carolina at
Chapel Hill students are calling an incident Friday — in which a recent graduate drove an SUV
into a crowd of students and told authorities he acted to avenge the deaths of Muslims
worldwide – an act of terrorism. The university is now weighing how to reassure students and
to prevent a backlash against Muslims at Chapel Hill.
You see... to those in the leftist liberal higher education enclaves, the need is to prevent backlash and of course, understand:
But what is it that is so wrong is that to see this as an aberration caused by the aberration that is inherent within Islam, then and now, is the way to without emotion, without violence, nor hatred, understand what occurred. It may be that that student was a nutter, but his excuse is the one that normal muslims are expected to have as their highest achievement in the world. Unlike Christianity, unlike Judaism, which has no history of any of this, unlike hinduism unlike Buddhism, but similarly though less so in virulent marxism.
No one needs prevent a backlash- they need to call a spade a spade, and simply understand that there are no excuses anymore. They are at war with the West, they've said so, they've lied about it, and now they have their everyday homicidists, or would be homicidists, and paradise achievers coming out of the woodwork.
Yale insanely invited the Taliban spokesman who praised the destruction of the 1800 yr old Buddhas- freedom of religion and speech- but refused army representation on Campus.
And so on, and so forth.
Mark
at March 7, 2006 7:53 AM
I only hope that this guy is getting the "help" he needs.
Clearly, he needs to feel loved. I hope to God that someone (or better yet 3 or 4 guys) are giving him all "the loving" he can stand.
Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at March 7, 2006 8:29 AM
Does it matter what we call it?Very much so.
So we don't judge it on its specific content. So we instead involve ourself in semantic quibbles.
That would be foolish in the extreme.
Posted by: Yojimbo at March 7, 2006 8:50 AM
"By contrast, watch how the ACTUAL incident, the usual Muslim on Non-believer violence, is minimized by emphasizing how this is just an isolated incident of one unbalanced young man having little or nothing to do with Islam or Terrorism;" ~ Hammer_Time
The West will suffer death from the cuts of a thousand "isolated incidents." Unless the screed of the creed of islam is given a wide, non-PC public airing.
Posted by: Rick at March 7, 2006 9:11 AM
A perfect case of the West seeing events like this through rose-tinted glasses. Why is it that everytime a Muslim attacks someone in the United States he is deemed "disturbed" or "insane?"
We are a Nation of Fools right now. The Enemy has more resolve than we do, so what do we do? We go and label that resolve as "nuts" and try to pretend that we are still a great people.
Well, these "nuts" might just win, especially if we continue to ignore the obvious so well.
Posted by: Foehammer at March 7, 2006 9:44 AM
"For many people, what motivated the bombers is still a mystery."
Beebazeera's journalist's can't be writing this stuff with a straight face. It doesn't matter how informed the public (IN THE REAL WORLD) gets about the subject of Islam, the Beeb hypocrits will continue playing dumb on the subject.
McDonalds journalism, hopeless.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4781290.stm
at March 7, 2006 9:52 AM
It's too easy to dismiss this Mohammed as being insane, but seeing him as just one more student of the truly evil mullahs, I can only say...
I'm fed up to HERE with muslims!
Posted by: nhoop616 at March 7, 2006 9:59 AM
Just think of him as a ill-will ambassador.
Joke of the day, The Feds went out and interviewed him, he says he did it to avenge the poor treatment of Muslims, yet there is no discussion of terrorist charges or at least hate crime enchancements to charges. I guess they are hesitent to level such charges for fear of starting up a cycle of Muslim violence and protest.
Posted by: GrimReaperxxx at March 7, 2006 10:41 AM
WE SHOULD USE THE TRIAL TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT THE DANGERS OF ISLAM.
Posted by: scribe10 at March 7, 2006 11:04 AM
This perceieved injustice is going to far. If everyone were to act on historical grievances, the least justified of people would be the Muslims. If everyone were to act against Islam for what it has inflicted upon mankind for centuries, the conflict would be great.
Always crying injustice but never wanting to examine their own historical record of bloodshed and conquest.
Posted by: ChinCheck at March 7, 2006 11:43 AM
Re "ill-will ambassadors":
All hate and all love are personal, though they are often seen as abstractions-especially in politics and religion.
With this Taheri-azar the personal issues are near the surface because of the depth of his psychosis. I saw him on a news vidio, saw the strange smiling (he is enjoying the attention!), the grimaces. He's very ill.
But what bothers many people is the silence of Moslems on this and other matters. If a non-muslim ran down Moslems with an SUV, the CAIR frauds (for example) would be all over tv condemning "Islamaphobia," speaking half-truths that tell whole lies about American "intolerance" of Islam.
Meanwhile, people are wondering why Moslems do not tolerate other religions in Saudia Arabia and elsewhere-why they are silent on that, as well as on other matters..........
Posted by: Frank at March 7, 2006 11:46 AM
"If a non-muslim ran down Moslems with an SUV, the CAIR frauds (for example) would be all over tv condemning "Islamaphobia," speaking half-truths that tell whole lies about American "intolerance" of Islam."
That's an excellent point! And further, if anyone had the temerity to challenge such a spokesperson for peddling such half-truths, that person would also be labelled an "Islamophobic" for doing such. We must not allow Muslims to place themselves above reproach -- and we must become inured to their neverending pretexts of victimhood at our hands -- It is the oxygen which feeds their fire of their doctrinal hatreds.
Posted by: jsla at March 7, 2006 12:27 PM
Maybe we ARE too stupid to live....
Had this same attack happened at a university in Israel, there would have been no doubt -- by anyone in the world, that the attack was motivated -- exactly as the culprit says -- by terrorism. That the attack was terrorism.
But, since it happened in the U.S., it must be an anomoly?
Please.
Will the first suicide bomber in a mall be an anomoly? Just another nutter?
Will the first grade school destroyed be an anomoly? One more nutter for the pile?
Just how many attacks will it take before we can accept what the ATTACKER himself is saying?
I am disgusted.
I call for code orange.
If we don't deal with this, there will be more.
Even if this was not an organized test case, others will learn from our lack of appropriate reaction.
You teach people how to treat you. You teach them exactly how much they can or cannot get away with.
After 9/11 I can't believe we even have to try to convince people that this constitutes a terrorist action.
Posted by: toleranceorappeasement? at March 7, 2006 1:02 PM
The BBC said that for many people what motivated the bombers is still a mystery. Well, that's true. There are still many people who don't understand. The job of informing the whole population of the truth falls on the news media and as long as the whole story isn't told there will continue to be some who don't get it. I bet all the muslims get it though.
The same -run over a non-muslim on purpose- happened in France and the perp and his 40 friends followed the victim, a gendarme, to the hospital screaming for him to die and cheering when he did. Did anything happen to them?
Posted by: Borg at March 7, 2006 1:13 PM
Yale insanely invited the Taliban spokesman who praised the destruction of the 1800 yr old Buddhas- freedom of religion and speech- but refused army representation on Campus.
Posted by: mgoldberg
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And the Supreme Court said that the law is constitutional to withhold funds from any university that refuses to allow military recruiters on their campus....
Seems like the Supreme Court got one right.
Now maybe, the Feds will produce sufficient testosterone to call terrorism for what it is: TERRORISM.
Posted by: Texican at March 7, 2006 5:36 PM
Here's another definition of 'what Islam is': ONE VAST DEATH SQUAD!!! (And a death squad that operates worldwide).
Certainly a death squad is the actual role Islam has always played in human affairs. And clearly, executioner is the role this loathsome Taheri-azar creep has chosen to play (or has had chosen FOR him by his local imam).
If I'm not mistaken there's even an Indonesian terror group that has gone so far to name itself the International Death Battalion.
Such Lovely Folks. Could all this be a result of mankind's brain being too large and over-evolved? or its smoking camel poop?
Posted by: pythagoras at March 7, 2006 8:03 PM
Where's Jack Ruby when you need him?
Posted by: disciple at March 8, 2006 12:56 AM
"For many people, what motivated the bombers is still a mystery."
this guy deserves a "Jihad Watch Oscar" for being the dumbest mother of all journalists...
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 8, 2006 5:04 AM
the DADA award... Dumbest Allout Dhimmi Award... The name has it all.. the infantilism... the 'Pataphysics' of dhimmi logic...
The mindset redolent of opium smoke, clove cigarettes, and absinth bars... (Absinth makes the heart grow fonder!) Too abstruse?
at March 8, 2006 12:29 PM
talk about a group of fanatics... you guys really take the biscuit
Posted by: Eire at March 10, 2006 2:04 PM
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