Amazing. And they wonder why more and more people are getting a negative impression of Islam? Oh, I forgot, it's our politicians and media's fault, not the never ending slaughter in the name of Islam.

Silly me. NOT!

Posted by: Proud Infidel at March 9, 2006 4:06 PM

"Islam encourages terrorism and jihad - [though] not terrorism in the common sense of the term"

Well, that clears things up

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at March 9, 2006 4:08 PM

So let me get this straight....bin Laden, Al-Zawahiri and Al-Zarqawi are not Terrorists but murderers and criminals since they kill fellow Muslims. It's all clear as mud!
These whackjobs get crazier by the day....
They are approaching the same level as Tom Cruise...

Posted by: Siciliano at March 9, 2006 4:12 PM

I got kind of confused when the word civilian at the end didn't have either Muslim or innocent in front of it. Was it a typo?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at March 9, 2006 4:14 PM

This is great. The percentage or people with a negative view of islam is at an all time high, even higher than it was immediately after 9-11. Keep it up guys...every time one of you opens your mouth, you only help the infidels!

Posted by: McSeamus at March 9, 2006 4:16 PM

We haven't found "moderate Islam," but these guys are working hard on "moderate terrorism."

"Just a little peril..." - Sir Galahad, as played by Michael Palin.

Posted by: Shinoliite at March 9, 2006 4:18 PM

Scaring and killing "the enemy," i.e. non-Muslims is o.k., but not the killing of Muslim civilizians. Of course, silly me for not grasping the difference.

Posted by: epg at March 9, 2006 4:32 PM

So, killing Jews is good terrorism. Killing Christians in good terrorism. Killing Hindus is good terrorism. But killing Muslims is bad terrorism. I'm glad we have that straight.

Posted by: Howard, Fine & Howard at March 9, 2006 4:48 PM

Definition of Terrorism needs some context, like the guy sez:

Muslim GOOD
Infidel BAD

Actions of Muslims GOOD
Actions of Infidels BAD

If Infidels (BAD) impede Muslims (GOOD) in ANY WAY, especially to promulgate Islam (EXTREMELY VERY VERY GOOD!!!)...

that that's TERRORISM!!!

If Muslims (GOOD) take ANY action to stop Infidels (BAD) from waging terrorism against Islam (EXTREMELY VERY VERY GOOD!!!) and Muslims (GOOD), then that's OK.

Oh, and... as for the Jews (EXTREMELY VERY VERY BAD!!!)... Anything Jews (EXTREMELY VERY VERY BAD!!!) do (EXTREMELY VERY VERY BAD!!!) is EXTREMELY VERY VERY BAD!!! and is axiomatically terrorism.

Everybody clear? Now we can proceed.

Posted by: jsla at March 9, 2006 4:48 PM

I sometimes wonder why it is that "moderate" muslim leaders continue with this sort of nonsense. Are they deliberately inviting destruction - as one way to free themselves and muslims from islam?

The West's continued well being is dependent on Freedom of expression. The world cannot continue with this nonsense for long or else everything of value will die. We should not worry anymore for the few moderate muslims that may be out there, as the issue is now of survivcal of civilisation itself.

Sooner or later this world will have had enough. Most people have had enough, its just the politicians who are still trying to dance with these moderate islamofascists.

Posted by: DP111 at March 9, 2006 5:27 PM

Remember the 'riots' in Sydney Australia in Dec 2005 ? You may have received a PC version of events from your media. What actually happened, 5000 locals demonstrated (which got out of hand thanks to hotheads and alcohol) following years of intimidation, sexual assaults and violence by young muslim males, all ignored by the police and politicians. Muslim males retaliated on the following two days and nights by attacking and bashing white individuals and damaging property in a number of suburbs across Sydney (bet your PC media didn't tell you about that).

Many of the rioters and the revenge bashers where caught on film. Yesterday, papers in Sydney published images of 20 white rioters and the police released film of the revenge bashers. Many of the white rioters gave themselves up or family members or friends gave their details to the police. However, no members of the religion of peace did the same. Here's the story...

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/no-middle-eastern-aid-in-riot-suspects-hunt/2006/03/09/1141701634148.html

Personally, I believe Cronulla 2005, will go down in history in much the same way as Tours 732, Lepanto 1571 and Vienna 1683.

Posted by: PAS at March 9, 2006 6:17 PM

Notice when he refers to killing civilians, he says "As for killing civilians in Islamic and Arab countries - that is forbidden by the law".

He only says killing civilians in "Islamic and Arab countries" is forbidden. But killing civilians in infidel countries like America is apparently okay.

Posted by: Spiro at March 9, 2006 6:37 PM

Teach, brother, teach!!!

Quijybo

Posted by: Quijybo at March 9, 2006 6:40 PM

PAS, from the link you posted

The Police Minister, Carl Scully, yesterday accused "Middle Eastern Australians" of harbouring "grubs" who "should be in jail".

This is becoming apparant everywhere - on the London bombings

But anti-terrorism officials say the investigations of the bombings and failed follow-up attacks on July 21 have been slow and difficult. Not only are extremist networks murky and fragmented, but investigators also have run into resistance and radicalization on the street: In a recent poll of British Muslims, almost a quarter of respondents said they felt some sympathy with the motives of the subway bombers.

"The absence of hard data on 7/7 is striking," Shamit Saggar, a political science professor at the University of Sussex, said at the conference at the Royal United Services Institute think tank. "The only way we can explain that is as a significant circle of tacit support existing in that community."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-britbombs6mar06,1,79705.story?track=rss&ctrack=1&cset=true

NO surprise here. We really cannot blame muslims for doing what they are required to do by the tenets of their faith. If we did not know this would happen then the fault lies with us for allowing them to reside in our midst and giving them the opportunity to do Jihad, which is a requirement of islam.

Posted by: DP111 at March 9, 2006 7:00 PM

Thanks DP111.

At least more and more infidels are waking up to the threat we face and acting accordingly, whether by changing our vote, govts limiting the number of mohammedans allowed in or cancelling a port deal...

Posted by: PAS at March 9, 2006 7:12 PM

So if killing oppressors is good why is it not good to kill Muslims? Being born in Eastern Europe, the Muslims have oppressed us for the last 500 years. Heck my family still owns a fort that my great great great grandparents used to fight the Ottomans. O wait, now I reminder, we infidels don’t understand such complex logic.

Posted by: billybob at March 9, 2006 7:26 PM

Remember the words said by this monster, and when ever a two faced muslim appologist musters up to defend his cult, rember those words!

Posted by: Lulu at March 9, 2006 7:30 PM

PAS
Thanks for the link.

The wheels of history are turning faster and faster- what with the bombings, the knifings, beheadings, riots in Western capitols, islamic nukes coming ONLINE, the Taqqiya merchants with their snake oil, it is becoming difficult to appreciate where all this may be headed.

I sincerely hope that someone in power understands- certainly the British government has no clue, unless they are deliberately playing dumb.

Posted by: DP111 at March 9, 2006 7:33 PM

I suspect many western leaders are in fact playing dumb or playing an infidel version of taqqiya, just to pull the wool over the eyes of the mohammedans and their PC western leftist useful idiots...and if not, we'll vote in politicians that do.

Posted by: PAS at March 9, 2006 7:46 PM

A member of the Egyptian (our "ally" in the "War on Terror") government said

In defining [terrorism], we must not be influenced by American pressures, but consider the issues in the light of shari'a. They should not tell us to fight terrorism and to fight it as they command us to.

I just don't know how many times and how many ways they have to tell us before it sinks in. The Qur'an and Shari'a are the source of and justification for terrorism.

And thank goodness that to an infidel there is not the sort of wishy-washy faux inability to understand what terror or terrorism is. We get it. We see a beheading or bus-bombing, and it really is as clear as black-and-white.

As Quijybo said, keep on talking! Hope the story gets picked up by MSM (dreaming again, I know).

Posted by: special_guest at March 9, 2006 7:50 PM

"So, killing Jews is good terrorism. Killing Christians in good terrorism. Killing Hindus is good terrorism. But killing Muslims is bad terrorism. I'm glad we have that straight..."

From a comment above.

It does make sense if you believe that there is only Allah and Mo is his 'prophet'. Everything that serves the cause of Allah is good and everything else is bad, 'oppression...'

It is hard to get this kind of queer 'logic' into our thick western skulls, but remember: This guy is a 'honest muslim', honest like OBL and Zawahiri himself. The great mass of muslims, heavily indoctrinated and up to 70 % illiterate, stupid and poor, would instinctively deny what he says to defend the faith, even though they know its true. But they are either too cowardly to admit it or think that it is safer to apply kitman and taqiyya in order to pull the wool over the infidels ears...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 9, 2006 7:58 PM

In essence:

Only the targets of Islamic Imperialism need fear.

And, being one, let me return the compliment:

"Be afraid.

I might even add:

Be very afraid."

Because, as anyone with even a rudimentary intelligence can grasp:

-the greater the range of powers available to be drawn upon by a culture, the greater the strength of that culture. One that is able to criticize itself, -and learn, has the best chance.

Islam hamstring's its brightest and most empathetic minds with a growing thoughtless worship of mere dogma.

You want to kill over the Koran? Do it in the boxing ring of the Ka'aba.

But leave us out of your 'sectarian' vendettas.

Or find out what it means to french kiss a hornet's nest.

(And no atropine wasted on you...)

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 9, 2006 8:18 PM

O'Riley said we needed our Islamic allies in the Middle East to combat terrorism.

Which Isalmic ME country would you consider to be an ally that you sufficiently trust to expose your back to???

THE ANSWER IS: NONE OR ZIPPO

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at March 9, 2006 8:33 PM

Articles like this over the last few weeks, have really got me wondering about something that maybe other posters have thought through.

The leader of Iran, Ragab Hilal Hamida and other muslim leaders have been very open about their plans. In the last few months, there have been well coordinated riots throughout the world.

A poster on this site (JSLA) has dug deeply into the demographic conquest, and has concluded that we're still a few years (3 to 5?)away from the time when an effective intifada can occour.

Why does it seem to me that they are jumping the gun when they are known for their patience?

The only thing I could find on a search of the web was an archived article on FrontPage.com that speculated that they are afraid of losing their youth to the western value system.

Anybody else have any ideas on this? I've been following this since 9/11, and it seems that things are progressing exponentially toward the next World War.

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at March 9, 2006 8:44 PM

'Why does it seem to me that they are jumping the gun when they are known for their patience?'

The mohammedans have realised that we infidels now know the truth about their death cult and have woken up to their game plan.

Posted by: PAS at March 9, 2006 9:21 PM

"Terrorism is not a curse when given it's true meaning"

Uh huh - that's because their "true meaning" is EVIL!!

And for those of you determined to defend this insanely twisted doctrine, let me leave you with these closing thoughts. Evil defined:

"causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful"

(and that's just the TIP of the iceberg)

Posted by: champ at March 9, 2006 9:22 PM

billybob

Get a hold of yourself. Don't try to find objective logic where there's none. The commandment Muslims follow is that of Mohammed: Strike terror into the hearts of the Infidel wherever you find them. Ali Sina features that commandment prominently on his home page at faithfreedom.com.

The Muslim Brother has it right: terrorism against the Infidel is good; it's what the Quran teaches. It is historically and ethymologically correct. Every single act of terror against the Infidel thru the ages has been doctrinally halal and good from the Muslim point of view.

The relativists and multiculturalists love this kind of cultural and moral inversion, standing our rational concepts on their head. They support and even foster the Muslim delusion that being "other" than the capitalist, colonialist, materialist, "ethnocentric" West affords them higher truth value and status. Obvously, from a relativist point of view, that's sheer nonsense. You can't have hierarchy and degree in a relativistic world.

As to the Ottomans in Eastern Europe:
I know their workings too well. My dad comes from a community that payed the poll tax to the Ottomans and lived in fear of them for hundreds of years.

So.

Good to meet another Eastern European here, that is home away from home.

Posted by: ovidius_naso at March 9, 2006 10:10 PM

"My dad comes from a community that payed the poll tax to the Ottomans and lived in fear of them for hundreds of years."
-- from a posting above

Not only the Jizyah was paid by the non-Muslim subjects of the Ottomans. There was also the devshirme, the forced seizure of non-Muslim (Christian and Jewish) children, who were taken to serve in the armies of the Padishah.

Posted by: Hugh at March 9, 2006 10:18 PM

Please verify before you disseminate wrong information. Ragab Hilal Hamida is NOT a Muslim brotherhood parliament member. Muslim Brotherhood stance on terrorism is clear. We totally denounced the heinous crimes committed by Bin Laden and his actions have no justification in Islam.
Please Visit WWW.IKhwanweb.com, the official English Muslim Brotherhood website to learn news, views and statements by the Muslim brotherhood from its credible authentic sources
Editor, IkhwanWeb

Posted by: Muslim Brotherhood at March 9, 2006 11:29 PM

Anybody else have any ideas on this? I've been following this since 9/11, and it seems that things are progressing exponentially toward the next World War.

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at March 9, 2006 08:44 PM

I don't think muslims are trying to start the next world war because they have no armies and they know they could never win. Their weapons are intimidation, exploitation, taquiyya, propaganda, and incitement of the muslim herds. They are practicing a form of terrorism---- fear by intimidation, and it's working quite well in some places. Muslims are trying undermine Western freedoms and create special privileges for themselves i.e.: "Freedom of speech does not include insulting Islam." They make demands but they never make concessions; it's not a give and take situation. They try to frighten the West with threats of riots, "angry youth", and portray muslims as victims of Western bigotry, Islamophobia, prejudice, and discrimination to elicit guilt and apologies, thus establishing Islam's superior status. The techniques muslims use to empower themselves in non-muslim societies remind me of the battered wife syndrome. They make false accusations and invent imaginary crimes and injustices, then they demand contrition and if they don't get it, they resort to threats and violence.

The obtuse, pusillanimous bureaucrats and elected politicians (most of them) will fall all over each other to appease the muslims and keep the peace. They never question the veracity of the muslim accusations because they are a protected, fragile, delicate MINORITY. Minorities are ALWAYS persecuted, that's why it was necessary to pass hate speech laws and create the "thought police" to make sure the dreaded curse of RACISM never rears its ugly head.

The arrogance, hostility, and violence exhibited by muslim barbarians over the cartoon issue may have frightened some, but most were appalled and incredulous at the infantile muslim overreaction to nothing. Their most pressing priority right now is to silence all critics of Islam and clean up the cartoon mess by holding mass taquiyya sessions for infidels. They do not want their filthy religion exposed and closely scrutinized because they know it is incompatible with Western Civilization and liberal democracy. They must keep their agenda under wraps until there are enough of them to wield power and influence.
As more and more people independently study the doctrine of Islam and discover the horrors of this Medieval death cult, the less secure the muslim foothold in the West becomes. They know they cannot prevaricate, contradict, deflect, and avert the truth indefinitely. Their only power is in numbers, and they are breeding like frenzied rats.

Islamic clerics tell muslims repeatedly that they are superior people, better than non-muslims, who are little more than animals. Yet when they compare the Islamic world to the West, they see their own abject failure, which begets resentment and anger. Since they are incapable of creating modern, progressive, prosperous societies, they invaded the West to expropriate our wealth, in keeping with the traditions of their homicidal, savage, thieving prophet. Muslims believe they are entitled to all of the wealth and prosperity others have created through hard work, ingenuity, ambition, and diligence, qualities they will never possess.

They may end up starting the next world war, but they sure as hell won't win it.

Posted by: Susanp at March 9, 2006 11:53 PM

Great post Susanp, agree entirely ! I think the Mohammedans realise we are on to them.

Posted by: PAS at March 10, 2006 12:13 AM

Muslim Brotherhood -

Yes - there are peace loving Muslim's in the world, so forgive any misconceptions made against your Muslim Brotherhood. Having said that, I do need to ask you a few pertenant questions.

I'm curious to know where you, and the group you support, stand on comments made by the president of Iran; ie, that the "Jews need to be wiped off of the face of the earth". And do you personally believe that The Holacaust never happened?

And more importantly - where do you stand with Israel? Do you think that they should be recognized as a people? And do you think they should remain in the land of Israel?

Your website may be informative, but I'm more interested in knowing where you and the English Muslim Brotherhood stand on the above key issues.

Thank you!

Posted by: champ at March 10, 2006 1:00 AM

The gig was up once the nuclear project of Iran was exposed. Now , instead of attacking in stealth with nukes, WMD, and other methods they must start the process early.

Waiting can only be done so long, the push to remove he west from ME fuel would deliver a blow to them, a return to the stone age.

Now they have the funds, and the ability to buy the power needed for the assault.

The U.N. delivers weekness, so Islam advances.

This may be the year of the begining of the last war.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at March 10, 2006 2:00 AM

“Why does it seem to me that they are jumping the gun when they are known for their patience?”

There are a couple of reasons, the first is that they are losing a large proportion of their youth to the Western value system, I have come across quite a few Muslims who are anything but…

The second reason, is that the Saudi’s oil is running out a lot quicker then people think, they have been misstating their reserves for some time, in my opinion the Saudi’s are in a race to propagate their version of Islam before they run out of the means to fund it. This is the period of chaos that the Muslims are expecting, if we do not move on sorting out our energy requirements then our economies will collapse and chaos will ensure, this is what is coming up. The Mosques will be used as forts to assist in taking control during this period of chaos.

The third reason is that the non-Muslims are beginning to recognise Islam for what it is, and their lies are now being exposed, just a bit more effort and Islam may well be defined as the problem, I think it already is, but our leaders are so scared of civil commotion that they are holding off acting…

Fourth, it is quite easy to defeat their lies, during the French riots a British Muslim who is the brother of a girlfriend to a Brit I know (and is as far as I am concerned no longer Muslim) that this was happening because of the French occupation of Algeria, I laughed when the Brit told me this in all sincerity and told him that France only invaded that area because it used to be the home of the Barbary pirates who made slaves of over a million Europeans from raiding the coasts of Europe, and that a Muslim will find an excuse to blame us for their own actions, it is standard practise. I had lunch with him the other day and went into quite a lot of detail, initially he was defensive, but at the end he could see where I was coming from, I was of course very careful to make a distinction between Islam and Muslims (many Muslims being victims) and I suggest that you all do the same.

The Muslim Brotherhood is the co-ordinating force in all of this, it is no accident that the second in command of Al Queda was (is still in my opinion) a member. Their recent splat was all for show to make the MB look like the moderates that they really are not. The MB must be worried that the West is wising up, I thought Tariq Ramadan looked especially fed up on Newsnight at the height of the cartoon reaction, rather amusing that.

Posted by: Daffersd at March 10, 2006 2:52 AM

They say 'Islam is the solution' - we say 'never knew we had a problem before this cult came along,' and we call Islam a cancer.

Cancer, of course, is no solution, it has to be entirely removed, to keep the patient alive. So we better get real and invent a cure for the disease real fast...

Susanp sez:

"...Muslims believe they are entitled to all of the wealth and prosperity others have created.."

Mohammed said: 'Allah made booty lawful for you to enjoy it...'

Archi, where is the proper sura?

But yeah, it is rather tempting for them to indulge in dreams of conquest and throat-slitting orgies, for this is all in the way of Allah, and that is what they believe. Do we need them around? Hell NO!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 10, 2006 3:17 AM

Muslim Brotherhood

If you condemn bin Laden, is it safe to conclude that there's currently a spat between Sheikh Zawahiri and Sheikh Osama?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 10, 2006 3:25 AM

SusanP:

Great and insightful post!

I completly agree with your assessment of the subtle incurrsions of Islam into the free world, most notably Eurabia.

I am viewing the last few months through the eyes of an ex-naval officer who went through the Naval War College at Newport, R.I.

IMHO, I saw the first set of riots in France as possibly a test incurrsion to see if the holy and devout muslims can control the thugs in the suburbs of France, Belgium and other countries to do their bidding.

The second set of riots (Cartoon Riots) were an escalation of this physical incurrsion to validate the positive results obtained from the first.

I see it as a multi-pronged attack:

1. Forcing Dhimmification through the existing PC mindset.

2. Infiltration via demographics. Multiple wives that can produce multiple muslim offspring. Careful choosing countries and cultures that will allow unlimited immigration.

3. Physical assult resulting in intifada when the demographic population has reached "critical mass". At this point, their goals are open and above board. Domination and Conquest.

Susan, You've given a brilliant analysis of #'s 1 & 2. Number 3 is what bothers me. This physical assult, would seem to me, to be a few years down the road. I see them as "playing their hand early", before all their troops are in place. If this is true, what was the catalyst that caused this?

One poster suggested that the USA is waking up to Islam. I would humbly beg to differ with this. I feel that Joe Six Pack sees the cartoon riots much like the riots in LA, Trenton, and Berkeley in the last 25-30 years; 1 or 2 weeks of chaos, looting, burning and then things settle back to normal.

IMHO, the MSM subtly portays them like this, with no in-depth analysis. (Plenty of in-depth analysis on Dick Cheney's hunting accident though).

I believe that we are seeing a buildup to something very big, and that the MSM's role in all of this is to make me feel like a "lone gunman" theorist that checks under his bed every night for communists (or terrorists).

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at March 10, 2006 10:41 AM

At this point I don't think we have anything before us but an all out war with Islam, and all Muslims.

I don't want to condemn my culture and my descendants for the next 200 or 300 years enduring the same horrors we see escalating today...

I don't wish to cause offense, but I think the notion expressed by some here, that we can win against the Muslim Jihad through reason are just not realistic. This may in part be something we can curtail through education, or through dinners with them individually wherein we painstakingly point out all the ways they are wrong, hoping to forestall the inevitable defensiveness and even rageful responses through such humiliation... There are over a BILLION of them! And it is impossible for us to collectively "respect" their humanity by making painstaking distinctions between their ideology and the Muslims themselves -- we receive very little similar respect from them in return -- for the IDEOLOGY of Islam indoctrinates them to have contempt for us, for our opinions, for our values, for our very lives!

however noble and civilized such notions appear, I believe they are actually the exact same trait Muslims wager will be our undoing... Nothing will stop them like STOPPING them.

And I'm afraid that when I say "STOPPING" them (however much we may wish to come to another conclusion) will involve violence on a scale sufficient to crush and shatter their confidence in Islam. Such and outcome will require staggering amounts of violence.

The less violent, or non violent alternatives such as those and many others espoused above and elsewhere? These will only result in OUR eventual annihilation by them -- something that will ensue over the next 200 or 300 years... That is not what I intend to allow to happen to the legacy which has been bequeathed to me as a Western child of the Enlightenment -- I'm aware many will identify my opinion as anything but enlightened. Fine. But what if I'm right? What if the only way for our society and everything we've fought for over the millenia to gain our freedoms, to invent our innovations, to be free to create, and think, and sing and fly to the moon -- what if I'm correct that the only way to preserve all of that is to destroy those who would destroy all of that?

Posted by: jsla at March 10, 2006 11:53 AM

Does it make sense to you that a Muslim should claim that the Koran incites to terrorism?!

What the heck, let's give God a call and see what has to say:

I shall terrorize the infidels.
--- God's statement in Koran 8:12

... inflict such a defeat as would terrorize (infidels), so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.
--- God's statement in Koran 8:57

Our punishment took (infidels) suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them.
--- God's statement in Koran 7:3

Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive.
--- God's statement in Koran 33:26

But Allah came at them from where they did not suspect, and filled their hearts with terror. Their homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson.
--- God's statement in Koran 59:2

MORE MOHAMMEDANS MORE CONFUSION MORE ISLAMIC "SCHOLARS" MORE MO MO

Laid out in black and white like that, plain as day, how can these intense scowling people be so mixed up? Doesn't anybody listen to God anymore?

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at March 10, 2006 12:06 PM

RE: Hamida: "Islam does not need improvement of its image.

I wholeheartedly agree, we know it's image and I
say F+++ Islam!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: learjet0450 at March 10, 2006 12:24 PM

JSLA:

I think that you are right on target. (No pun intended)

America has always been called the Sleeping Giant.

We have provided ourselves with a very prosporus life, and Americans are enjoying it to the fullest.

We now have the luxury of letting our statesmen play diplomatic pattycake with Islam, but when we see European countries falling to Islam, there will be a paradigm shift, and we will arise to the occaision. Afganastan fell in a few weeks (6?) and Iraq fell in 3 weeks. We have bigger and better toys, and the guts to use them.

Islam will never conquer the U.S.

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at March 10, 2006 12:51 PM

Like I say, Islam is the world's largest DEATH SQUAD!!!! That's what it is, that's what it does, that's what it can never stop being (or so the Muslims Brotherhood would appear to claim). So I guess there are Muslims who can take pride in that?

Thank you, Muslim brotherhood, for clarifying that for the remainder of humanity. We will take suitable prcautions. Such as invest in bullet-proof fashionwear,avoid mosques on Fridays, etc.

But for the Muslim Brotherhood's information, NO religion forbids killing Muslims (or anyone else) when someone's life is being threatened by Muslims thereby causing them to act in self-defense (and kill the Muslim or Muslims threatening their lives). By not respecting human life, Islam brings misery on its own followers coming and going. Islam executes Muslims for punitive religious reasons and subjects Muslims to being killed by sending them to slaughter non-Muslims for reasons other than self-defense.

And by the way, not everybody has, wants or otherwise needs a religion.

Posted by: pythagoras at March 10, 2006 1:00 PM

This reminds me of a teaching in the Talmud: "Do not suppose that your blood is redder than that of your fellow." This addage came up in the discussion of what to do if an oppressive power demands that the community turn over an unnamed person/s to satiate a demand for revenge at the hands of the powers-that-be.

Mr. Hamida and those of his ilk have apparently decided that a Muslim's blood is redder than a "mushrik's" or "kuffir's".

I recall also (forgive me that I don't have the exact ayat at hand) something from the Quran's Surat al Bakara: One who kills a believer except through a just cause shall be killed........apparently Islam does not place our lives on the same level as a "believer's" life. Could any of the readers here send me some information to verify this?

Thanks,

DesertDawg in 29 Palms

Posted by: DesertDawgN29 at March 10, 2006 1:22 PM

My Dear JSLA,

Excellent post. We will have to fight fire with fire. The main reason being is that like the idea, there is no god but Allah and his prophet is Mohammad, there is no outlook or way of thinking but Islam and everybody else is bad and wrong.

Frankly, I cannot take anymore duplicity from these people. Not too long ago I was renting a car in a major city and chatting with the guy behind the counter, who was a very polite middle eastern man. We got to talking about business and I told him that my brother was selling a product that came from Jerusalem. He asked me if I wanted to get the same product but from a company he has access to in Jordan. I thought to myself, why would my brother need to get another company's product when the stuff he sells is really good quality. This guy said to me that it is because Muslims won't buy it and I realized he meant because it was from a Jewish owned company. I thought that was pretty ballsy of him to say that. Then he started talking about how his religion honors all prophets and how you just can't have freedom of speech when it insults other people's religions. I was careful how I proceeded but basically asked him if he thought it was okay for Muslims in Sudan to force their religion on the Sudanese people and he told me that wasn't happening. We discussed it further and I sited the text in the Koran that says there is no compulsion in religion but then elsewhere it says that other peoples are invited to convert, or they have to pay the jiyza tax or Muslims are allowed to make war on them. He then told me that that kind of thing no longer went on, that it only happened in the old desert days and that Islam wasn't like that. He told me he was a modern Muslim and he may very well be a non-practicing Muslim, but I kept thinking to myself, is this guy a) lying, b) stupid or c) just totally mis-informed? Even thought he was very nice, I kept thinking about how sick I am of the double speak, B.S. that we are treated to on a regular basis.

So yes, JSLA, let's get on with it.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at March 10, 2006 1:36 PM

I think we should quit calling them terrorists and simply call them Jihadists. Then they'd be better accepted, could run for Congress, stuff like that.

I wonder what Tim Russert and Bill O'Reilly would think of this idea?

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at March 10, 2006 1:44 PM

Hamida said: "Islam does not need improvement of its image... But there are some ignorant Muslims who do not understand the tenets of their faith... It is [our] duty to repel any enemy of the Islamic and Arab countries, using 'terrorism' rather than using violence"

So, to me this sounds like. "If you are a muslim that believes killing Americans is wrong, then you are not a true believer and need educated."

Keep talking moron. I wish someone would put you on the network evening news.

Posted by: BigDaddy at March 10, 2006 2:02 PM

jsla: I have no problem with your overview of the situation. I basically agree. But I am on the fence on one point: How do we get rid of 1.3 billion human beings??? Especially without getting rid of nearly all life on earth in the process? Using nukes could backfire on us for this reason.

I think humanity's last and best hope to win the impending war against the killer-zombies without devastating the earth to the point of uninhabitability is to detonate EMP weapons in the Islamic nations' airspace, thereby destroying their infrastructures, and returning them to the eightieth century BC where they want to be and rightly belong (with the cro-Magnons).

Posted by: pythagoras at March 10, 2006 2:22 PM

All religions forbid the killing of Muslim citizens!! That is right since true Judaism and Christianity are, according to the Qur'an, Islam. Also Abraham, Moses & Jesus were Muslims. And Islam says kill any and every non-Muslim especially Christians and Jews. Ah yeh, Islam is a religion of peace as Mr Bush and Mr Howard say!!
Abbas

Posted by: Abbas at March 10, 2006 2:25 PM

Wreaking destruction on them until they no longer have confidence in their belief system is not the same as ridding the planet of persons who embrace an ideology... Japan and Germany still survive, and have largely abandoned their former supremacist ideologies. This was primarily accomplished through the steady and staggering use of violence against the epicenter of the culture and society which gave birth to and then allowed their poisonous belief systems.

This is the ugly reality I believe we face -- and our decency and reticence to act in such a manner will be only be one of the tremendous hurdles we must jump if we wish to prevail...

Posted by: jsla at March 10, 2006 3:38 PM

Hamida said: It is [our] duty to repel any enemy of the Islamic and Arab countries. (everyone and every thing is their enemies).
I am sick of Muslims talking about Protecting Muslim countries, and expelling their enemies, or taking back land that once belonged to them... the land didn't belong to Muslims at all...
1500 years ago their were NO Muslim countries, they were Christian, Roman, Jewish etc countries, and whatever before that....then Mohammad was born and having becoming accustomed to his wife's vast riches, (and after she died), decided to start a religious cult of his own, just like his great, great grandfather, whose cult also richly blessed him...
Mohammad's cult was allowed to plunder the people, killing them and taking booty, of which a large portion of course went to Mohammad, Oh sorry Allah...hmmm.
Islam grew, and Muslims raped, plundered, tortured, and slaughtered the occupants, and kept the land and the goods of the people for themselves, even the Quran speaks of that, Mohammad skited that he had taken the lands their possessions and many of their wives and children (for sex slaves of course) from the Jews, and their god, Allah, had told them to do these things.
Islamic teaching creates hatred, enemies, and violence, instead of peace, love and harmony.. I cannot understand any government allowing a religion with these teachings to be allowed into countries which totally believe the opposite.

Posted by: Gaye at March 10, 2006 5:08 PM

As for killing civilians in Islamic and Arab countries - that is forbidden by the law and by shari'a. And those [who carry out these acts] are criminals and murderers according to the faith!"

Ah yes...."forbidden, forbidden, forbidden"....such strong, scary words! So just how exactly does sharia convict suicide bombers who've been killing Muslim Shiite civilians in Iraq and Pakistan? Can't imprison or execute body parts, y'know.

So much for deterrence, this sharia thing. Guess it's back to the judicial drawing board for Allah....

Posted by: yadayada at March 10, 2006 5:55 PM

Surfer, Daffersd said something interesting in a post above, about the oil reserves in Saudi Arabia. I believe he is right about the reserves being grossly exaggerated. It was predicted thirty years ago that all the oil reserves would be depleted before the year 2000.

I truly believe that Saudi Arabia planned to own the U.S. by the time their oil was gone, and they began laying the groundwork in the mid sixties to achieve this goal. The first thing they did was PAY Saudi citizens to immigrate to the U.S. immediately after the 1965 Immigration Reform Act was passed and we opened the floodgates to the third world, compliments of Senator Kennedy. This immigration act irreparably altered the face of America, something Kennedy swore it would never do. Its damage is immeasurable and continues to shred the fabric of our society. They immediately established dozens of Islamic organizations dedicated to fifth column activities within the United States. They sent rabid clerics to open mosques, which they funded and erected in every state. They opened Islamic schools, established lobbying groups, began making major investments in American real estate and financial markets. They sent their officers to American military bases for training, bought American planes, helicopters, etc.

They have spent billions to spread their vile Wahabbi Islam and to gain control of as many U.S. mosques as possible. They put radical clerics in our prisons, muslim teachers in our schools, and Wahabbi muslims (and others) have infiltrated every institution in America, including our intelligence agencies. All muslims, regardless of the sect, are threats, but Wahabbis are absolute zealots, insanely fanatical and diametrically opposed to everything this country stands for. The Saudis have invested heavily in our news media and many other venues of influence, and there are millions of radical Wahabbi muslims living in this country who believe Islam will rule it some day.

It is difficult to know if the fall riots in France were carefully orchestrated events or spontaneous reaction to the deaths of two punks who killed themselves fleeing the police. Considering the censorship of news coming out of France, the details will probably never be known.
Muslims like bin Laden may be patient and willing to wait for the perfect moment to strike, but the general population is not so disciplined. Muslims ooze arrogance because they believe they are destined to prevail; they learn early on that they are superior humans, God's chosen holy warriors. It wouldn't be prudent for them to make their move now for many reasons, but they might be stupid enough to try after heated Friday prayers and the usual pep talk from the demon imam about how great and powerful they are. The dhimmi attitudes in Europe only encourage them. Muslims, for all their hoopla about brotherhood and loyalty to the umma, rarely unite in a disciplined and orderly fashion except when they take to the streets to protest the latest affront to their foul religion. I doubt if there is an organized muslim militia preparing to wage war against a European government, but I could be wrong. They might have a tightly knit network spanning continents and preparing to act in unison, who knows. Even so, they would only succeed if they met no resistance. If only bullets would stop them, I am confident that the police in the U.S. are up to the challenge. If they're not, the citizens are. Unfortunately, European citizens (except muslims) are unarmed. What a pity. If they attack France's cultural institutions, the storm troopers will mow them down like insects. They might stand around and let them burn churches, synagogues, cars, and houses but if they threaten the Louvre, they're dead.

I think the recent muslim riots and "outrage" were definitely instigated and incited by the Danish imams who traveled around the Mid-east drumming up support and self-righteous indignation with their counterfeit cartoons. I believe they hoped to get apologies from the Danish government and further dhimmify the Danes. They thought the violent reactions they provoked would scare the Danes into allowing more immigration and other concessions to muslims. Sooner or later, cultural conflicts are bound to occur in the streets of Europe and probably here. Violence will escalate and civil war could easily ensue. The muslims will lose and many will die.

Iran will probably incite the next world war. The U.N. will not stop them from producing nuclear weapons, which they will use on Israel, Europe, or us. They will ultimately lose, but not before they inflict severe damage. The only good thing that might emerge after the smoke clears is the dissolution of the U.N.

Posted by: Susanp at March 11, 2006 2:09 AM

SusanP -- good post. Wouldn't you consider the smoldering former Islamic Regimes also to be a "good thing" in such an eventuality?

Posted by: jsla at March 11, 2006 12:47 PM