I was in Spain on that day of the Madrid bombing - but in another city.

I was actually watching the morning news, when the TV scene went blank and the first reports of the bombing started to come in.

It really brings home how close this whole thing is to everyone.

Posted by: Pass It On at March 10, 2006 4:10 AM

Capturing and or killing OBL will not stop the terror, people should realize that. it is more than a man, even one as notorious as OsamaBL. The problem is their cult,islam, that is what we need to educatate people.

Posted by: Lulu at March 10, 2006 5:11 AM

Hahaha!

Does it matter what they call themselves? Whether its Al Queada, Al Gugglimuggly, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, Hamas, Laskar i toiba or laska jihad or al mujahinrun or Abu Sayyef or Abu s#*t for brains, its all JIHAD!

Why don't we send these 'investigators' Robert Spencers books, the ""PIG on islam and the crusades" for starters. Or perhaps a daily dose of JW/DW just to wake up and smell the coffee?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 10, 2006 5:50 AM

The exact reason why finally finding OBL will be such a great and awful day. The leftists will decide the war against the terrorists is over and peace can now reign, so lets abolish the military.

The same thing happened when the Berlin Wall fell, the chattering types were ready to mothball the aircraft carriers and chop the tanks into scrap metal. Delusional fools.

Posted by: Dead Infidel Walking at March 10, 2006 7:50 AM

I´ve found this link about Madrid Bombings;
http://blogs.periodistadigital.com/ultimahora.php/2006/03/10/al_qaida_amenaza_con_que_los_musulmanes_
It is in spanish.

It say that Al Qaeda threaten again Spain. They think that 192 murders aren´t enough. And, of course, they think that Al Andalus must be reconquered. Spain is guilty of killing and expelling muslims after Granada´s fall.

Perhaps, they don´t want remember that, yes Spain is guilty of expelling muslims, but of killing the guilt was shared. Somebody perhaps have to explain them what an "alarde" was. Morocans muslim were expecting the arrival of andalusians and they killed and robbed them. So cruel they were with andalusians that Count of Alarcos (a christian) made a treatment with the Emir of Tremecen where he (the muslim) accepted not killing andalusian. It is writted and signed, and everybody can read it.

In the Quixote you can find examples of this: many andalusian came back again, and prefered live in Galicia, North of Castille... So what happened with them that they came back, they didn´t stay in Dar al Islam?.

Sorry for my english.

Posted by: Iberian at March 10, 2006 8:41 AM

'Iraqi Gandhi' Preaches Slightly Less Violence

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46031

"Violence is not the solution," al-Naqib wrote in his breakthrough 1998 treatise Practicing Semiviolence. "It is only approximately 19/20ths of the solution. We should not work toward the total annihilation of all who oppose us—just some of them. And perhaps it is best we practice occasional mercy for the innocent, such as the young, who can easily recuperate."

Posted by: mistyhymen at March 10, 2006 8:57 AM

Everyday now I just shake my head in disgruntled wonder at how I never hear or read a peep from any media source (other than blogs) that even discusses anything close to the truth about the real enemy of the future of civilization.

Cowards are absolutely intent on not confronting the truth.

Apparently, I'm surrounded by cowards. Apparently, I'm being 'lead' by cowards in Washington, D.C. Apparently, I'm supposed to be a good little dhimmi and not talk about this.

God help us.

Posted by: Foehammer at March 10, 2006 9:29 AM

Iberian, gracias por la información. si quieres decir mas puedes escribir en en Español y yo te lo traduzco.

Iberia, thanks for the great link if you want to say more post in Spanish I will translate for my fellow JW readers.

Como están las cosas en España? Que piensa el pueblo Español?

Yo veo en Nueva York pero my familia originalmente es de Madrid Y Valencia.

Posted by: El Cid at March 10, 2006 9:53 AM

foehammer
Yes, l know how you feel. Keep telling yourself as l do that common sense will prevail and truth will set us free, after all it's what this site is about and keep up the great work on your own blogg, it is much apreciated.

Posted by: stranger at March 10, 2006 10:08 AM

Always wondered what would happen if OBL was finally caught and we just sent him to Saudi Arabia for trial.
What do you think?

Posted by: ibrahim224 at March 10, 2006 10:29 AM

The emphasis by the same people who keep telling us we are fighting only a "war on terror" naturally is on the "terrorists" who conduct this war. So Bin Laden and now, Ayman al-Zawahiri, get the breathless attention. A new tape comes out, and is solemnly analyzed for its "meaning." The invasion of Iraq for a long time was justified -- and if we are to believe certain opinion polls, many believe that a supposed "Al Qaeda-Iraq" connection, based on meetings between agents of Saddam Hussein and Mohammad Atta, or on refuge given to other terrorists tied to Al Qaeda, is a matter of great moment -- whether it is proved (ah ha! by one side ) or disproved (ah ha!) by the other side).

No such connection need be proven. The "connection" that links Iraq to terrorism has nothing to do with an Iraqi secret agent meeting furtively in a cafe in Praque with Mohammad Atta, or with any direct link (most unlikely, given Saddam Hussein's interest in being King of the Arabs and for years downplayed pan-Islamism because, in Iraq, that could only help the political standing of his most dangerous enemies, the Shi'a clerics).

The link is a larger one. It is Islam itself. Saddam Hussein never ceased to be a Muslim. And while he was less observant and much more secular than the people he ruled over, beginning in the war against Iraq he rediscovered the virtues and uses of Islam. The war against the modern Iran evoked memories of Qadisiya, 1300 years before. A Qur'anic verse was put on the Iraqi flag. After the Gulf War, construction began on what was to be the largest mosque in the world -- the Mother-of-all-Battles Mosque. Saddam Hussein commissioned that a Qur'an be calligraphed for him, using his own blood as its permanent, less-than-sympathetic (tinta simpatica) ink. -- afShiThe Jihad is the war being waged on America and other Infidels. Until now, for decades, the instruments of Jihad have been chiefly the use of "wealth," "pen, speech" (propaganda), and the new one, the one not foreseen in Muhammad's day, or justified until recently so as to justify the temporary rule of Infidels over Muslims (to be kept to an absolute minimum, and of course only where the local laws do not conflict in any way with Islam) as merely a step - a necessary step -- in the spread and ultimate triumph of Islam.

Anyone who opens his mouth today in Washington to talk about our "war on terror" or who suggests that "once we get Bin Laden" all manner of things shall be well, is a fool and a candidate for first mate on the current Ship of Fools that is the Ship of State. That stultifera navis, that S.S. Narrenschiff, sails along, and apparently cannot be turned around, its course set. And if you think we are not "staying the course" -- the course of refusing to recognize how the sectarian and ethnic fissures within Iraq (and for that matter without Iraq, in the larger world of Islam) -- then you have not seen the latest Congressional testimony of Rumsfeld and Rice and Abizaid, who according to today's New Duranty Times, while insisting American soldiers would not get between parties in a civil war, still uttered phrases that should make many shudder at the depth of incomprehension, about how "civil war" had thankfully been "avoided" and how the Americans would work to avoid that "civil war."

Underlying the testimony, and the silence of Congressional critics -- not one of whom dared to suggest, even obliquely, that a civil war is something to which we could, as Infidels, regard with equanimity. Perhaps one is unfair. Perhaps the Administration is simply lying, and is also planning to leave and at long last, sees a civil war as "inevitable" (it became inevitable as soon as the disguised Sunni-despotism of Saddam Hussein came to an end, and the Sh'a discovered that they constituted 60-65% of the population, and could win using this new American-imported thing called "democracy" or ballot-counting, and the Sunni Arabs refused to discover that they constituted only 19% of the population. At that moment, a future civil became "inevitable" because the resentment on one side, the arrogant refusal to cede power and money on the other (the Sunnis expect to be treated by the Shi'a as the Shi'a were treated for so long by the Sunni Arabs in Iraq -- just as Muslims are always secretly surprised at the mild reaction to their atrocities committted against Infidels, expecting a hysterical and violent reaction).

But while that civil war became inevitable, and yet no one points that out, much less suggests that this is not something we need to concern ourselves with, except insofar as a free Kurdistan will need some air cover, some equipment, and diplomatic blocking of any potential Turkish tacklers while "Crazy Legs" among the pesh merga dash for the goal-line, the one clearly labelled "Free Kurdistan."

American soldiers recognized soon enough that if there was one group that was likely to be unfeigned in its expresson of pro-American sentiment, it was the Kurds. Only that handful of Kurds who were more Muslim than Kurd -- the members of Ansar al-Islam -- were the enemy. Why should not Kurds be pro-American? For a dozen years the Americans protected them from the air power of Saddam Hussein, and finally rid them of Saddam Hussein himself. It is not the Americans who threaten them but the Arabs, both Sunnis and Shi'a, in Iraq, and outside Iraq, it is not Americans, but fellow Muslims in Iran, Syria, and Turkey, who thwart them. And because they owe the Americans everything, it should not be beyond the ability of the Americans to read Turkey the riot act for its behavior over the past few years (preventing the fourth Americna division from entering Iraq from the north, having a media campaign, echoed by important political figures, that depicted the American soldiers as "worse than Nazis," creating an atmosphere in which the Westernized, secular, beneficiaries of Kemalism are largely mute, while "Mein Kampf" becomes a best-seller (attacks on Jews and Israel can be taken as a sign and symptom of more general hostility to Infidels), and the most expensive Turkish movie is all about "American Nazi-like soldiers" and a "Jewish doctor who extracts and then sells organs taken from Iraqi victims at Abu Ghraib" --and this is just the tip of the sickening iceberg from what is supposed to be a member of NATO and a firm friend, but has turned out to be quite otherwise).

But while reading Turkey, both Erdogan and the generals, that riot act, the Americans can explain that they are determined to help the Kurds in Iraq move from autonomy to statehood. Gasps and looks of fury from the Turkish side. Furthermore, they are determined to help the Kurds attract support among fellow Kurds in Iran and Syria. More gasps, more fury.

But...but, we will also guarantee that no territorial demands will be made on Turkey. We will note that the existence of a free Kurdistan should not heighten but lessen the moral pressure, such as it is, for Kurds within Turkey to seek greater autonomy. Those who wish for Kurds to be ruled by Kurds can, if they wish, move to Kurdistan. The United States will undertaken to guarantee that Kurds will not foment revolt in Turkey itself. Anger on faces of Turkish side now mingle with confusion, doubt, the beginnings of consideration of what this might mean. And, the American side goes on, we will work to see if Turkey and Kurdistan cannot reach not merely a modus vivendi, but something better. But -- and this should be said to the generals alone -- you must realize that your hopes of getting into the E.U. have ended because of the behavior of those "Arab Muslims." You have to find a way out of this mess, and your isolation -- and one that doesn't force you to become the slave-soldiers, the new Mamelukes, of rich Arab masters (now there's a little historical invocation that has resonance: what Turk wants to see the power relationshps of the Ottoman Empire reversed, with the contemptible Arabs on top, and the Turks, the Nation of Turks, the Nation of Ataturk, on the bottom?

The generals who were the guarantors of Kemalism, and whose power Erdogan has been undoing, step by step, cannot afford to be cut off from American equipment (especially parts for the equipment already received). They cannot afford to be removed -- an implied last threat - from NATO, even if Turkey itself will never get into the E.U. They are aware of the worthlessness of Arab armies, and other possibilities, such as Turkey influencing a kind of virtual pan-Turanian domain in Central Asia, are likely to remain dreams and schemes, though perhaps, as a consolation prize, and only if that pan-Turanian business can help to dilute the possible appeal of Saudi and Islamic-Republic-of-Iran versions, Islam undiluted by national pride, by historic grievances, by long experience of secular (in the case of the five stans, Soviet) masters, when what those five stans need (and the Turks may persaude the Americans) is not Islam straight up, but a diluted Islam, Islam on the Ataturkian rocks. And who better to help spread that than a newly-Kemalist Turkey, where the Islamic party loses its luster as "Islam" is blamed for the failure of Turkey to be admitted to the E.U. -- and not the E.U. itself, as Erdogan would have it, as a "Christian club."

But this will only happen when all kinds of other things become clearer. That means seeing that Al Qaeda is not the only "terror" group. There are hundreds of them: Lashkar-Jihad, Lashkar-e-Toiba, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Jaish-e-Mohammad, Gemaaa Islamiyya, Ansar al-Islam, and so on. Some have names, some do not. And one doesn't need to be in a large group; even lone Muslim can "avenge" Islam on his own, as we saw the other day in Chapel Hill, but might see tomorrow in Cheapside or Cesena.

And it also means putting more empahisis on the other instruments of Jihad, the "wealth" weapn, and "pen, speech" and all the predictions, on Muslim websites, in the speeches and writings of Muslims, about the demographic conquest of the Western world, which is perfectly rational, and will occur if nothing drastic is done, and trends not only halted, but reversed. The policies that have been used by tolerant and advanced states in the past, including those put into effect by Czechoslovakia after World War II, have to be considered. There is no divine right for large numbers of people, bearing a creed that is not merely alien but hostile, and dangerous to the long-term security of those among whom they have arrrived and insist that they are there to stay, and to change the laws, customs, understandings of the indigenous Infidels (whoever those Infdiels might be) so that in the end, as Muhammad said, "Islam is to dominate and not to be dominated" -- that this should be met with either fake pleasure ("how wonderful and life-enhancing are ll forms of diversity") or paralysis born of lack of imagination, ignorance, and fear ("but what can we do?") is deplorable.

Deplore for a bit, and then get on with showing the series of entirely rational, and acceptable moves, that can be taken by Infidels everywhere to protect themelves against those whose belief-system makes them a permanent threat to the wellbeinig, and continuance, of Infidel ways of organizing political, social, and intellectual life.

The large-scale presence of Muslims behind what they (not we, we were unwary, we were unaware) regard as enemy lines, the lines of Dar al-Harb, has created a situation that for Infidels is far more unpleasant and unsettled, far more expensive, and far more physically dangerous, than it would otherwise be. The recognition of the truth of that last sentence is, as the Bible or Arthur Eddington or someone else once wrote, the beginning of wisdom.

Posted by: Hugh at March 10, 2006 10:45 AM

"This was not an al-Qaida operation - it was homegrown"

I'm sure there are a lot MORE 'homegrown' groups out there. How comforting.

Posted by: champ at March 10, 2006 11:33 AM

Mistyhymen -

Question?

Your post has me wondering where you're coming from. Either you posted this info to make us laugh at the obvious, or you posted it to support "less" terrorism. Which is it?

Posted by: champ at March 10, 2006 11:38 AM

MSM continues to misstate (lie about) the obvious. If it isn't Al-Qaeda, no Muslim did it.

This cover up by the MSN exceeds that for Bill Clinton.

The American citizen knows better. Dubia.

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Remember, email or fax those letters.
http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm

Posted by: Texican at March 10, 2006 12:00 PM

Iberian -

Don't apologize for your English. I think that I can understand what your are saying - enough to become interested in reading about Spain's history with muslim occupation.

Don't despair. We will prevail ... again.

Posted by: Havoc at March 10, 2006 1:10 PM

Foehammer -

George Will wrote (2Mar06, I believe) about Churchill's comments upon the rescue of British troops at Dunkirk (September, 1940): Churchill said, "... Wars are not won by evacuations ..."

Churchill was pouring cold water on British jubilation at the rescue ... pointing out that the real fight was still ahead, just beginning, in fact. George Will is suggesting that we are in the same situation, today, with respect to islam, as the British were in 1940 - with respect to Nazism.

More Churchill: "... this is not the beginning of the end. It may not even be the end of the beginning ..."

(I fear that Pr. Bush is our own, American, Neville Chamberlain - btw.)

Not everyone is blind to the muslim threat. We must soldier on. Neither my children, nor my grandchildren, will be muslim. Nor will they be dhimmis.

Posted by: Havoc at March 10, 2006 1:27 PM

Champ,

The Onion is a parody paper. It's a total joke.

Posted by: NoMo at March 10, 2006 1:34 PM

A tid bit that may or may not be relevant to Hugh's commentary on Turkey.

Boeing's stock was up the other day when the rest of the market was down. A Turkish airline had put in an order for over $400 million. I wonder what goes on in the background; I wonder about what promises are made to support Turkey's EU ambitions in exchange for such and such. In a like vein Bush is lamenting the repercussions of the Dubai port deal falling through. Commentators are suggesting that Arab states may begin to sell US bonds, thus raising our interest rates and throwing into doubt America's ability to easily cover its huge deficit. These commentators and Bush himself do not admit the obvious implications of these ideas: that an ideological war rages against the United States, a war motivated by the spread of Muslim influence; that states, corporations, political parties, and other groups consider themselves united by an Islamic creed and opposed to any entity that would hinder the influence of one of its 'allies'. An ideological war against the United States is already hot, but the United States government and business prefer to narrowly construe things in economic terms.

The Kurds do not own many bonds, do not have much money to speak of, unless they claim rights to oil fields in the north. Hence, what value do they have to our current administration? Very little I fear...

Posted by: JTF at March 10, 2006 2:03 PM

¡¡Muchas Gracias Cid¡¡
Sigue existiendo un gran desconcierto. Los partidos políticos mantienen unas posturas muy enfrentadas que no ayudan en nada. Y la mayoría de la gente guarda una gran desconfianza hacia los políticos. Quién mejor captó el sentir general fue Pilar Manjón, Presidenta de la Asociación de Víctimas del 11M, cuando recriminó a los políticos que utilizasen a las víctimas como moneda de cambio para llegar al sillón presidencial.

El gobierno ha impulsado una serie de acercamientos al mundo islámico (la llamada Alianza de Civilizaciones), que ha sido recibida por los medios de comunicación españoles o bien con profundo rechazado (en general entre las personas afines al PP) o con interés (afines al Psoe). Yo más bien noto una cierta desidia o falta de interés por parte de la mayoría, del español de a pie.

Respecto al Islam aqui en España se percibe una mayor influencia del pensamiento wahabita. Me explico. En España el peso de lo conversos al Islam (principalmente convertidos en los 70 y 80) era grande. Los podríamos calificar como sector moderado ( una parte de ellos han realizado una reinterpretación que no ha gustada nada en los sectores musulmanes tradicionales, si es que ese tipo de reinterpretaciones puede realmente hacerse). Este grupo fue el que emitió una fatwa condenando los atentados de Al Qaeda como contrarios al Islam. Creo que es el único o uno de los pocos que lo han hecho. Lo hizó sin recurrir a triquiñuelas semánticas con la palabra "inocentes".
Este grupo esta perdiendo terreno a marchas forzadas.
Los que estan adquiriendo importancia a golpe de talonario son los antes mencionados.
Un ejemplo de ello fue la construcción de la Mezquita de Granada. En principio fue alentada por estos grupos, más tarde se hicieron con el proyecto otros más radicales. Al final se ha transformado en una sucursal de Marruecos, según dicen por Granada.
Los españoles de a pie cada vez reaccionan con mayor rechazo hacia todo lo relacionado con el Islam, eso se ve en la construcción de mezquitas (de ahi la desidia por el proyecto del presidente Zapatero) que levantan gran controversia, llegando los vecinos de la zona a manifestarse y organizarse para impedirlo. Un ejemplo esta en Sevilla, donde la organización vecinal ha creado esta página web www.mezquitanogracias.com (tienen algún problema con el servidor, puede que no puedas acceder). Este rechazo es mayor en la zona de Andalucia y del Levante (Valencia).
Por si quieres mayor información tienes estos links:
http://blogs.periodistadigital.com/aristegui.php
(ha escrito varios libros sobre terrorismo islámico e islam)
http://noticiasdeeurabia.wordpress.com/
http://www.webislam.com. Especialmente este link- http://www.webislam.com/default.asp?idn=399.
http://www.llistes.pangea.org/pipermail/infomoc/Week-of-Mon-20011015/000153.html
(Serafin Fanjul; es un arabista muy incomodo para algunos sectores)
Tambien de él- http://www.libertaddigital.com/php3/opi_desa.php3?cpn=21391
Para información y análisis este link puede ser de mucha utilidad: www.realinstitutoelcano.org
Nada más. Muchas gracias y, si encuentro más información la iré posteando en el foro.

Posted by: iberian at March 10, 2006 2:07 PM

For Havoc.
Thank you very much for your interest and for your mercy with my english.
I don´t remember know the muslim writer but I remember what he wrote. It said something like this, that all slaves in the world come from al Andalus. Do you know why?. In Toledo it is a building, San Juan de los Reyes (Saint John of the Kings). It was buildt in honor of all christian slaves liberated after Granada fallen. You can see thier chains hanging in the walls.
Do you know what shout a castillian warrior fighting? They shouted Santiago. Why? Because it was destroyed (burned) by Almansoor in 10 century. Santiago de Compostela was the heart of West Christendon, no less than Rome or Ierusalem. And the sacrest place for spanish catholics. I don´t remember anybody apologizing for that.

Posted by: iberian at March 10, 2006 2:21 PM

And in this article Boeing canceling contracts are cited as ways in which Dubai and other Arab states might hit back.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/10/news/international/pluggedin_fortune/index.htm?cnn=yes

The article assumes that these are natural 'reactions' and 'consequences' to political rhetoric over the deal. No one questions the rationality of turning over management of US ports to a company that is identified ideologically with governments and business concerns that would so easily seek to harm the United States.

Money makes men blind.

Posted by: JTF at March 10, 2006 2:29 PM

Iberian, but the Spaniards also were quite cruel in their dealings with their enslaved Africans and Amerindians, no?

Posted by: pikachu at March 10, 2006 2:57 PM

Spain is clearly threatened by Muslim desire to reconquest it back. And this is something if you happen to be a Spaniard and go to visit or live in Muslim countries you experience sooner or later.

There is even one Hadith which, apparently, talks about the Prophet looking westward and thinking of the "brothers" of "Jazirat al-Andalus" (=Spain). This hadith, plus the history (711, 1492, 1610) behind this are a reminder Muslims cherish the possibility to make this country Islamic again.

Therefore, we do have a Muslim threat.

However, the investigation about the Madrid bombing of March 11, 2004, appears to lead not to the jihadists, or, at least, not to the jihadists only; but it is currently leading to what seems to be a much more sinister plan.

Unfortunately, it is still too soon to tell. But there is something very clear from the bombing date: it took place 3 days before general elections. And if you ask "qui prodest? (who benefits?)" of the attack then you have a number of terrorist organizations in Spain, other than several political parties and, even, at least one country: Morocco, that did benefit from it.

Spain is currently in the middle of a very complicated constitutional change, whom no one expected or anticipated before elections, and which is clearly aimed at weakening the nation and setting a very radical agenda in many fields, both domestic and foreign affairs.

Posted by: Spanish diplomat at March 10, 2006 3:16 PM

"This hadith, plus the history (711, 1492, 1610) behind this are a reminder Muslims cherish the possibility to make this country Islamic again."
-- from a posting above

Andalus is never out of Muslim thoughts. All over towns, all over Muslim Arab lands, there are streets named "Andalus." The American consulate in Jiddah is at the corner of Palestine Street and Andalus Street. In Iraq, in Baghdad, and elsewhere, the name is common and has appeared in reports, but without anyone bothering to note the significance.

Within the past few months, a children's magazine for little followers of Hamas told about how the city of Seville, under its Arabic name "Aslibia," pined away for its previous Muslim inhabitants, who one day would return in triumph.

It is not merely one Hadith, locked up in a book. That Hadith, and the memory or false memory of wonderful Spain, is vivid in Muslim imaginations. And Infidels, who accept the notion of this paradisiacal convivencia that originated in the romantic fictions of Chateaubriand ("Le dernier des Abencerages") and Washington Irving ("Tales of the Alhambra"), that was a dread devoutly to be believed by some in the Western world (as Bernard Lewis notes, the Jewish scholars of Islam, such as Ignaz Goldziher, were inclined to believe the best, and ignore much of the worst, about Islam; for them, Islam appeared relatively benign, and its good example could be offered as a standing reproach to Western Christendom.) Of course Spain is high on the list. Just after Israel, which - though one suspects Zapatero and others would never recognize or admit it -- to the extent that it has put up quite a fight, has helped to deflect, and use up, Jihad energies until finally, the OPEC trillions, and the Muslim millions within Europe, inevitaly led to an expansion of the active, violent Jihad beyond that which had been focussed on Israel and a few other places, such as Kashmir.

Posted by: Hugh at March 10, 2006 3:54 PM

"The American consulate in Jiddah is at the corner of Palestine Street and Andalus Street."

That must have the Royals rolling in Riyadh with all the decorum that gay blades in flowing robes (and sporting blades) can allow.

Posted by: jsla at March 10, 2006 4:10 PM

( and preemptively just in case I need to - that's not a gay bashing post -- "gay" in this sense simply means "happy" -- as in happy princes rolling around on the floor doubled over in glee at the perfidy of their wonderful joke -- I can imagine how, to some, frolicking men in diaphenous robes who scrupulously avoid contact with all women may make such an antique use of phrases like "gay blade" seem confusing... lately there's been some of that...)

Posted by: jsla at March 10, 2006 4:25 PM

Iberian, Gracias hombre, lo voy a tratar pronto es importante que todos los luchadores contra el jihad del mundo se unifican y se comunican entre se. Es bueno que se sepa lo que esta pasando en España.

Que viva España!

Ibreian, good show, man, I will try to translate this as soon as possible, it is important that all ant-Jihad activists around the world unite and communicate for our common cause, It's good that we know what is happening in Spain.

Long live Spain!

Posted by: El Cid at March 10, 2006 6:10 PM

NoMo said

The Onion is a parody paper. It's a total joke.

Yeah, Fox News is a joke too, but you don't hear me calling it a "parody". Just because the Onion doesn't come up to your impossibly high standards of "journalistic integrity"?! Their reporters uncover all kinds of stories that you never hear about in the MSM.

For example, here is Bush's own description in detail of the quid-pro-quo concessions he made to secure the Dubai ports deal. He makes me sick, holding hands and "gazing longingly" into the eyes of the UAE Sheik Mohammad Bin Rashid. You sure didn't hear about this on your precious Fox News. The self-censorship of the MSM is the real sick joke!

Posted by: special_guest at March 10, 2006 6:23 PM

The Onion calls itself "America's Finest News Source". I think the astrology column is just for entertainment, however.

The Onion

Posted by: Charles Bogle at March 10, 2006 7:09 PM

¡Many Thanks Cid¡¡ Continues existing a great confusion. The political parties maintain some positions very faced that they help in nothing. And the majority of the people keeps a great distrust toward the politicians. Who better grasped the to feel general was Pilar Manjón, President of the Association of Victims of the 11M, when he reproached the politicians that utilized the victims as currency of change to arrive al presidential chair.

The government has prompted a series of approaches al Islamic world (the Civilizations Alliance call), that has been received for the Spanish mass media or well with deep rejected (in general among the related people al Popular Party) or with interest (related al Spanish Socialist Party). I more well note a certain apathy or lacks of interest on the part of the majority, of Spanish from on foot.

Respect al Islam aqui in Spain is perceived a greater influence of the thought wahabita. I explain me. In Spain the weight of the converted thing al Islam (mainly become the 70 and 80) was large. We would be able them to qualify as sector moderate (a part of them they have carried out a reinterpretación that has not liked anything in the traditional Moslem sectors, if is that that type of reinterpretaciones really can be done). This group was the one that emitted a fatwa condemning the attacks of al qaeda as the opponents al Islam. I believe that is the unique one or one of the few that have done it. It hizó without resorting to triquiñuelas semantics with the word "innocent". This group this losing land to marches forced. The ones that are acquiring importance to blow of checkbook are the before mentioned. An example of it was the construction of the Mosque of Granada. In principle was encouraged by these groups, later they were done with the project other more radical. Al final has been transformed into a branch office of Morocco, they as say by Granada. The Spaniards from on foot each time react with greater refusal toward all it related to the Islam, that is seen in the construction of mosques (of ahi the apathy by the project of the Tough president) that raise great controversy, arriving the neighbors from the zone to be declared and to be organized to impede it. An example this in Seville, where the neighborhood organization has created this web page www.mezquitanogracias.com (they have some problem with the servant, that cannot agree). This refusal is greater in the zone of Andalucia and of the Raise (Valencia). By if you want greater information have these links: http://blogs.periodistadigital.com/aristegui.php (has written various books on Islamic terrorism and Islam) http://noticiasdeeurabia.wordpress.com/ http://www.webislam.com. Especially this link- http://www.webislam.com/default.asp?idn=399. Http://www.llistes.pangea.org/pipermail/infomoc/Week-of-Mon-20011015/000153.html (Serafin Fanjul; is an Arabist very I disturb for some sectors) Tambien of him- http://www.libertaddigital.com/php3/opi_desa.php3?cpn=21391 For information and analysis this link can be of a lot of utility: www.realinstitutoelcano.org Swims more. Many thanks and, if I find more information I will go it posteando in the forum.

Posted by: pikachu at March 10, 2006 7:15 PM

That's basically what Iberian said in Spanish, my Spanish is rusty.

Posted by: pikachu at March 10, 2006 7:17 PM

Madrid bombing probe finds no al-Qaida link

This reminds one of the recent findings of the Banerjee commission in Gujarat India, that the Feb. 2002 fire that killed 59 Hindus was caused not by the rampaging mob of Muslims that attacked the train, but by some mysterious accident of unknown nature that also mysteriously and accidentally blocked the doors so that no-one could exit the train. Fortunately, this mysterious and accidental fire had no link to Islamic terrorism.

Posted by: special_guest at March 10, 2006 7:27 PM

Mob violence in India is nothing new, Hindus attacking Christians or Muslims attacking Hindus, this communalism is all to common there. It's ignorance plain and simple.

Posted by: pikachu at March 10, 2006 8:07 PM

pikachu, I just came back from a dinner party , in which with a friend who lived in Saudi Arabia for over ten years. And appoliguze for not translating Ibreans post.

pikachu, your translation is good but rusty you missed a lot of points please wait for a better translation.

Posted by: El Cid at March 10, 2006 10:46 PM

Posted by Iberian: translation to English for fellow JW readers by El Cid.

As of now there exists a great uneasiness (in the Spanish Public). The political parties maintain a very aggressive and confrontational posture towards each other, which does not help at all. And the majority (of Spaniards) feel a great lack of trust in all politicians. Pliar Majon madam president of the Association of Victims of the 11m (March 11) attack, best capture the feeling of the Spanish public, when she criticized the politicians who used this tragedy and suffering of the victims for their own political gains and capturing the seat of Presidential power.

The government has launched s series of outreach programs to the Islamic world, (the so called alliance of civilizations), as has been disseminated by the Spanish media with a profund rejection (genrally among people who believe in the PP) or with interests in common with Psoe ( l Partit dels Socialistes de Catalunya (PSC-PSOE). I have of late noticed a certain apathy or lack of interest by the majority of the average Spaniard.

In reference to Islam, in Spain there seems to be a greater influence of the Wahabi thinking. Let me explain, In Spain the majority of the Islamic converts (who primarily converted in the 70's and 80's) by and large you could classify them as as a moderate, some of them reached a moderate interpretation that the traditional Muslim sectors, if they really did moderate their interpretation, did not like. This is the group that issued the fatwa condemning the attacks of Al Queda as contrary to Islam. I think that this is one of the few groups to have done this without the semantic tricks and use of the word innocent in it's language.

This group is loosing ground at a quick pace.

Radicals are gaining ground because of their fatter checkbooks.

An example of this is the construction of the New Cordoba mosque, pushed by the less radical them financed by the extremsits and controlled by them to become a branch of the Moroccans so the locals of Granada say.

Everyday the average Spaniards rejects everything that is Islamic, this especially true about the construction of mosques. ( a manifestation of the apathy to president Zapatero's ( alliance of civilization ) which is a great controversy, and they gathered, protest and prevent the construction.

An example of this is Sevilla where the neighborhood groups have created a web-page www.mezquitanogracias.com (www.mosquesnothanks,com)

This rejection of Islam is greatest in Andalusia and Levant (Valencia)

If you want more information,

http://blogs.periodistadigital.com/aristegui.php (this person has books about Islamic terrorism and Islam)

http://noticiasdeeurabia.wordpress.com/ http://www.webislam.com. Especially this link- http://www.webislam.com/default.asp?idn=399. Http://www.llistes.pangea.org/pipermail/infomoc/Week-of-Mon-20011015/000153.html (Serafin Fanjul; is an Arabist very intrenched in some sectors) Also of- http://www.libertaddigital.com/php3/opi_desa.php3?cpn=21391 For information and analysis this link can be of a lot of utility: www.realinstitutoelcano.org Swims more. That's it and, if I find more information I will go and post it in the forum.

Posted by: El Cid at March 11, 2006 12:25 AM

Sorry all for the delay, but I have had a bit too much Danish beer and Rosenberg cheese at my dinner party.

Posted by: El Cid at March 11, 2006 12:31 AM

That is a better translation. I told you, Spanish is rusty.

Posted by: pikachu at March 11, 2006 9:15 AM

Islam is growing in Latin America, Caracas has a huge mosque and mosques are prevalent in Suriname where a sizeable portion of the population is of Indonesian heritage because the nation was a former Dutch colony.

Brazil has a sizeable Arab population and the Muslim community is estimate to be 1 million with an estimated 10,000 Brazilian converts. Though Brazil is the world's largest Catholic nation, Brazilians have been leaving Catholicism for other religions most notably New Age religions and Pentecostal/Charismatic Christian movements. Mexico is host to a number of Wahabbi organizations that cater to the Mexican Lebanese Muslim community and people who are new to the faith.

LADO (Latino Dawah Organization) in the United States caters to the Latino convert community which from MSA sources numbers around 200,000. The trend among Latinos is to leave the Catholic Church for either other forms of Christianity that offer to them a more meaningful experience or other religions altogether.

Posted by: pikachu at March 11, 2006 9:49 AM

Thank you pikachu for your effort, I am grateful for the efforts of all the Jihadwatch readers. Your translation was very good in parts but it had the hallmark of a computerized translation software, very accurate, but sometimes translation is the art saying things differently but keeping the same meaning.

Posted by: El Cid at March 11, 2006 9:16 PM

¡¡Muchas Gracias por vuestra traducción Pikachu y El Cid¡¡
You are right Pikachu about Latin American. They are first target for dawah now. But this not new. In Philliphines some people belive that they are moorish descendant, that their antecessor run away there, and that their original faith is Islam (wahabbi). In Dominican Republic you can learn english free, if you listen some dawah paid by Iran (I know some cases).

About cruelty with amerindians and african pikachu, cruelty is not enough. Amerindians dissapeared in Cuba, and hardly all Caribbean Islands. African suffered slave from europeans until S.XIX.

African were bought by spanishs, portugueses, dutchs and later englishs and frenchs. But do you know who captured them? All they were bought by arab and moslem, and africans (remember Monrovia). So when the president of Black Muslim talks again, think that. In Mauritania, Sudan still you can buy people (black people).It is according with sharia, and it is in the Koran. Or at least Ibn Turabi said this.

Posted by: iberian at March 13, 2006 9:53 AM