How many of these guys got nabbed? I hope it's a bunch, and I hope the Interior Ministry has them and not us. Some information may come out of this about other terrorists who have gotten in already, and I bet many are in already. They seem to be better at doing what needs to be done than we are.

Posted by: McSeamus at March 14, 2006 9:08 PM

A senior Defense Ministry official said the 421 al-Qaida fighters were actually recruited to storm the U.S. and British embassies and take hostages. Several ranking Defense Ministry officials have been jailed in the plot, the official said on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information.
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The real question is how many of the 421 al-Qaida fighters were captured???

Posted by: Texican at March 14, 2006 9:36 PM

Good job by the Iraqis a near catastrophy averted. There is a problem though... How many more infiltrators are there well placed in the government waiting for the opportunity to strike when the most damage can be done, the most lives taken, the biggest statement made. I fear something big is coming there, here, it's been too quiet too long and the deathcult needs it's fix.....Like junkies they need more bigger explosions, they wont be happy til they swim in our blood. Texican is right "arm yourself prepare defend freedom." WA

Posted by: WIDEAWAKE at March 14, 2006 9:41 PM

Shades of the N. Vietman squad that overan our embassy in S. Vietnam during Tet. Come to think of it, at least with Vietnam, half of them were good guys. Over in Iraq, there are no good guys . . . just thugs and Kurds in the North--but that doesn't count because our troops are clustered in the danger zones . . . Baghdad, The Triangle ect. I've always been wary of this Green Zone concept. Two square miles with lots of Iraqi folks who earn there keep there. All it would take is a few bad apples, and then there's the worry about Sudden Jihad Syndrome even among the good apples.

Posted by: biorabbi at March 14, 2006 10:06 PM

If the 421 was a correct number it would be a battalion of Iraqis. That is possible since they recruit along tribal and clan lines. It is safer for them. It also makes it easier for them to infiltrate our lines. It sounds like an impressive plan and would probably have made a real mess but would have failed. The green zone is massive and has plenty of gun slingers mixed in with the combat support soldiers. I wish I was still active I’d love to know the rest of this story. I’d bet an Iraqi sold out his own, just a guess but an educated one.

Posted by: Ronin at March 14, 2006 10:46 PM

I would like the Administration to explain why it thinks, as Secretary Rumsfeld said today, that Iraq resembles Germany and Japan after World War II, and South Korea after the Korean War, not only in the likelihood of being a coherent, stable, well-run nation-state, but in being that coherent, stable, well-run nation-state, will help further the interests of the United States.

Post-war Japan no longer had an Emperor-Divinity, but the Hirohito who wore a Mickey Mouse watch and was happy to have that Divine Wind taken out of the sails of the Japanese ship of state. Post-war West Germany became a useful instrument of Western policy, and a contributor to the Western defense that, like Japan, was important during the Cold War. South Korea, after the Korean War, ditto. But Kodo was discredited; Nazism was discredited; Communism in South Korea did not need to be discredited -- one had only to look at what happened in North Korea.

In Iraq, Islam is not discredited. And it is Islam that gives rise to the Jihad, and to the succession of despots, and attitudes of the peoples over whom those despots rule, who are naturally aggressive, naturally inclined to put their oil revenues into armaments as well as into all the other instruments of Jihad, including support for mosques, madrasas, armies of apologists both Muslim and non-Muslim, Western hirelings often chosen from the ranks of former diplomats and government officials who can use their prestige and seeming disinterestedness ("Committee for the National Interest" and that sort of thing) to push a pro-Saudi or pro-Arab or anti-Israel or soft-on-Islam line, sometimes out of conviction, or a mixture of convictions (anti-Americanism and antisemitism will do nicely in Europe, antisemitism of either the left-wing or right-wing variety, does better in the United States).

Tell us again why it is better to move heaven and earth, and keep American troops in Iraq, in order to prevent civil war, or to keep it contained, rather than to allow the secartian fissures to widen, and to hope that that fissure remains, creating a permanent fault line between Sunni and Shi'a, and that there are repercussions both in Iraq, as men, money, and materiel from both Iran and Sunni Arab states flow in, and in the wider world of Islam, as Shi'a in Lebanon, or in al-Hasa province of Saudi Arabia, or in Yemen, or Pakistan, or Bahrain, inflict blows on, or have blows inflicted on them, Sunnis among whom they live.

And tell us again why it is simply out of the question for the Administration to support the notion of an independent Kurdistan, that might serve to attract Kurds in Syria and Iran, and be used (if necessary) as a tool with which to force Turkey to be better behaved toward its old American ally which it has not been treating properly -- for only the Americans can put a limit on Kurdish territorial ambitions so that they do not extend into eastern Anatolia. And that free Kurdistan would raise the issue of Islam as a vehicle of Arab supremacism, and of Arab cultural, linguistic, and economic imperialism. Berbers in North Africa (and in France) may find the Kurdish outcome inspiring, and one capable of provoking thought on the whole nature of Islam. Since 80% of the world's Muslims are non-Arab, one way of weakening the camp of Islam is to simply allow the truth about Islam, as that carrier of an Arab supremacist ideology, be discussed more openly -- particularly in Indonesia (Pakistan is probably a hopeless case, given that its inhabitants have Islam and only Islam to fall back on; Indonesia can still be saved).

Tell us again why the exploitation of these natural-occurring sectarian and ethnic fissures, so as to weaken, divide, and demoralize the camp of Islam, this makes no sense. Tell us why instead the policies of this administration, which have consistently revealed a failure to comprehend both the nature of the larger menace of Islam (of which Iraq was only a local example, and not even the most important one, Iran always being the more dangerous of the two, and now Iran is in danger of slipping by unchecked, because the American governemnt is so focussed on Iraq, and has 140,000 hostages to Iranian retaliation within reach of Iran's army and, even within Iraq, Iranian agents and Shi'a collaborators, ready to wreak vengeance on the American soldiers should any attack be launched on Iran's nuclear facilities). Tell us why you keep insisting on parrroting phrases about a "war on terror" when the world-wide Jihad, particularly in Europe, is not limited to terror, which is not even the most effective instrument of the many available to promote the spread of Islam. Tell us again why the $450 billion -- climbing inexorably -- that has been spent or committed for expendure to date in Iraq and Afghanistan, would not have been better spent, in combatting the Jihad, if it had all been put into energy projects (solar, wind, nuclear, hydrogen, ethanol, whatever you can possibly think of) and mass transit, and energy conservation measures. Would that $450 billion not have stopped the flow of vast sums to the Arab and Muslim states who make up almost the entire membership of OPEC? And would not that put an end to the use of the "wealth" weapon that is the main instrument, along with demographic conquest and Da'wa within Infidel lands, of the Jihad?

Tell us why you cannot figure out a way to exploit, instead of shying away from -- possibly for fear of being blamed for creating (which is nonsense, and easily shown to be nonsense) the deep divisions, ethnic and sectarian, that long predate the arrival of the Americans, the appearance of Saddam Hussein, and Ba'athism, and the existence of modern Iraq, and go back to the earliest days of Islam, when the Sunni-Shi'a split began, and the Arab supremacism at the core of a pretend-universalist message was initially fashioned, and made permanent.

Tell us again.

Be specific. Answer every question raised.

Posted by: Hugh at March 14, 2006 10:52 PM

i'm right with ya tex,and wide.been to my local gun show.i'm gunna be ready to defend my family,and freedom.Our troop's are doing their job over sea's,we'll not let them down,and do are's here
Posted by: patriot2 at March 14, 2006 09:50 PM
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It is good to see that the word is spreading.

Be prepared, be armed be ready.
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The latest news is that the war in Iraq has cost Americans nearly 400 Billion Dollars so far and is estimated to cost us One Trillion Dollars before this war is over and over 2,000 American and allied soldier lives.

Is $1,400 per American so far and an estimated $3,400 per American before this is war over, worth the cost for the screw-ups in Iraq and the ME??? Is it worth it to you???

Bush is selling our children's and grandchildren's futures for the filth that is Islam.

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at March 14, 2006 10:53 PM

Akyol, by the way, is writing a book with the provocative title "The Opium of the White Turks" a "critique of the Turkish secular elite. Akyol, you see, is not secular -- he's back with religion, with Islam. One wonders if he comes from that secular elite (he went to one of the best Turkish universities) and then went on one of those damned Spiritual Searches (East is East, and West is West, and there are always people who wish to fill their own little void by going on one of those Spiritual Searches), and is every secular Turkish parent's nightmare: the Return-to-Islam kid. (Not just Turkish parents either -- Iranian exiles in Los Angeles and Paris sometimes find, to their horror, that just because they continued to call themselves Muslims, and had their children do so, some of those children "find" Islam in a way the parents never did, and in fact had escaped from, but neglected to completely cut the Muslim cord by openly declaring themselves no longer Muslims -- and now their children and grandchildren may, in their own psychic disarray that apparently demands a strong dose of Islam, prove to the parents how wrong they were not to declare their apostasy and get the whole thing over and done with).

There is a criticism to be made of Turkey's secular elite. They took their freedoms for granted. They thought that Kemalism would take care of itself. They mocked, rather than supported, the army's methods -- undemocratic but necessary -- in being the guardian of last resort of Kemalism, the cult of Ataturk (necessary, for the Turkish masses, as a substitute for the Cult of Muhammad),and the whole business of "The Turk" and the "Turkish Nation" that has been in Anatolia since the Cimmerian gloom of the darkest past. They were insufficiently grateful, insufficiently aware of the power of Islam (that keeps happening to secularists from the world of Islam, especially when they spend a lot of time with Westerners, or even live in the West -- they forget the hold Islam possesses, and so when they return home, as those secular Shi'a exiles did to Iraq, they are distressed to see that Islam remains, solid and stolid, and cannot be denied).

That is the criticism to be made of the secular Turks, the beneficiaries of Ataturk's systematic constaints on Islam, constraints now being weakened by Erdogan and his fellow conspirators. That will not be, I'm afraid, the kind of criticism that Mustafa Akyol will be making in his "The Opium of the White Turks."

Posted by: Hugh at March 14, 2006 11:10 PM

Hugh, I will answer you for them, the simple truth is they don't understand the true nature of islam. All the intel geeks I met spoke pure pc speak. You know the drill, “a small minority, yada, yada, yada”, makes ya sick. I went when and where they said go and still question why. At the unit level the win their hearts and mind method saves lives. In the end, it just stalls and pushes the troublemakers back into hiding. Our leaders don’t understand you can’t expect every culture to feel consideration, kindness, appreciation or any other western value. My buddy Texican has the right idea, the proper application of kinetic or radiological weapons could solve all of this. In the mean time we attempt to chance the unchangeable and try to keep our own safe. The one hope I see for mankind is the muslims really and truly do not understand our resolve to stay free.

Posted by: Ronin at March 14, 2006 11:12 PM

Hugh FOR President!!!
tex can be V.P
ronin can be the secretary of defense,lol

Posted by: patriot2

I'd vote for the other two but before I am elected I want a differant job. Secretary of corruption (I need the bribe money)is my pick.

Posted by: Ronin at March 14, 2006 11:18 PM

I hear that more Islamic Terrorist are dead today!!!!

I also hear that the Iraqi people have seen theough the irani rouse and have not fallen for their trick to start a war within their state because the Iraqi People are brave and want FREEDOM!!!

I also hear the Bird Flu has kicked it up a noch??

http://www.beecy.net/frank/

Also hear that thee was another Earthquake in Indoneisa??

Also Hear that some palis who said they would never give up in Jeroco are now crying like babys??

Yes the monsters who sent others to die are now crying like babys said they would die BUT NO they did not they gave themselves up...

Gosh Skiing went well and still intact had great funn and yes on a night out on the town was able to wear a short skirt had to wear boots with the skirt BUT wow the look!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hnter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM GIVE THE WORLD COURAGE TO STAND TOGETHER TO DESTROY THESE MONSTERS AMEN

Posted by: Catherine at March 14, 2006 11:30 PM

Catherine, I have said many times the muslim world has no "warriors" they do have large numbers of armed and dangerous thugs but all are cowards when challenged. Btw, I like the closure you put on all your posts. I have seen others attack it in the past but I like it, death to spiders and squirrels (as long as you eat the squirrels) and I really appreciate the prayer for our troops.

Patriot2 my friend which post do you want?

Posted by: Ronin at March 14, 2006 11:36 PM

The latest news is that the war in Iraq has cost Americans nearly 400 Billion Dollars so far and is estimated to cost us One Trillion Dollars before this war is over and over 2,000 American and allied soldier lives.

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at March 14, 2006 10:53 PM

AND YOUR POINT???

Guess you forgot 9/11/2001 cost 1 trillion and 3000 American Lifes...........

Kind of puts things in a new lite don't it??

Look at how much WW2 cost and how many American Lifes what was it 400,000 and for what to save the French which one makes you feel sick??

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE COUNTRIES WHO HAVE HEROS PITY NOT THE COUNTRIES WHO NEED THEM AMEN

Posted by: Catherine at March 14, 2006 11:38 PM

squirrels (as long as you eat the squirrels)

Posted by: Ronin at March 14, 2006 11:36 PM

Love squirrel stew!

can't play today been drinking BUT I aint in Noraway and no one conecceted my water to the beer tap so I had to pay for it all!!

I am with that gal and would think that to be a good thing Don't know about it being heaven BUT pretty close. NOW iwne would be another story??

FREEDOM YEA BABY!!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOS BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERROIRTS AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

PS
I can't believe any one would pick on me??

PSS

OH yea who was the Guy who was visting in NC who the islamic terrorist ran over never heard it on the MSM what wimps seam to be afriad of their own shadow??

Seams the latest poll has the Press trust factor at only 20% not to good??

Most of the people I talked to don't like the press at all??

Seams they are sick of the bashing of America??

Posted by: Catherine at March 14, 2006 11:51 PM

Have there been 421 executions ?

OT Is it true that offal for brains Mayor Bloomberg is allowing the Imam caught with his pants down ("the terrorists are in the White House!") to keep his 72g/yr job ?

Ya gotta weep (or laugh) when you see the leftist shitheads in the West willing our defeat, subjugation, and destruction.

At what point do we say - to the Muslim purchased politician or the 'liberal' fool - we're cutting you loose - begone.

Posted by: dgene at March 15, 2006 9:26 AM

The latest news is that the war in Iraq has cost Americans nearly 400 Billion Dollars so far and is estimated to cost us One Trillion Dollars before this war is over and over 2,000 American and allied soldier lives.
Posted by: Texican at March 14, 2006 10:53 PM

AND YOUR POINT???
Guess you forgot 9/11/2001 cost 1 trillion and 3000 American Lifes...........
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
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I have not forgotten 9/11 and the loss of life or the money that I personally loss due to 9/11.

My point is that the war is Iraq is not worth the cost in dollars and lost lives. What has it done for America????

The $400 billion dollars could have been better used to help the Gulf Coast, protect our borders, round up those that do no belong in America and develop alternative fuels.

We need to get out now and let the Muslims war and kill each other.

We can use missiles and planes with conventional and nuclear weapons if needed to subdue the ME. This is a lot less expensive than allowing our troops to be killed and wasting ---
that is wasting --- more of our tax dollars in Iraq and the ME. Let them war and kill each other.

The war with Islam is coming to America and our Federal Government is not prepared. It would be more appropriate that these billions of dollars were spent on food and fuel stock piles in America to see us through this war instead of wasting the money in Iraq. I hope you have prepared for this war.

Pull out, pull back, let the Muslims war and kill each other and take care of America which is not being done. This is not cutting and running, but protecting America.

You do not have to agree, but I will let you pay my share of this war for I want a refund.

DO YOU NOW GET THE POINT????

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at March 15, 2006 11:17 AM

Texican...
Couldn't have said it better myself. You can't educate cavedwellers like Muslims. The Bush Administration is so far out of touch with reality it's scary.

Posted by: Siciliano at March 15, 2006 1:23 PM