Now if only Islam could accept that 'madness' is always acceptable...

Posted by: www.islamquest.blogspot.com at March 22, 2006 6:15 AM

Ha Ha..

Quite a bizarre way to get out of this ....in effect by declaring that christians are mad.

I wonder though whether he will be locked up in an instution "for his own safety"...much llike a baby in a playpen.

A lot of this ofcourse stems from the fact that muslims believe that the Bible & old testament are corrupt documents....as the disagree with the uncorruptable Koran.

The Koran cannot change...so the Bible will have to ...it's there in black & white.

So it cannot be changed today....let's wait & see

Posted by: Naseem at March 22, 2006 6:39 AM

ABDUL RAHMAN, a 41-year-old Afghan, was a Muslim for 25 years before he began working for an international Christian group helping his fellow countrymen in Pakistan. Within a couple of years he had converted to Christianity. Who in their right mind would choose death and destruction in the name of Islam over helping their "human" brothers and sisters via Christian means? Someone with a fettish for donkey sex, maybe?

Posted by: stranger at March 22, 2006 7:13 AM

This is BS.
And it's a perfect example how a collectivist society treats non-conformity.
So now he's insane , hmm??

Yea, they did the same thing in the USSR, and Nazi Germany. They do it here too. So much for protecting minority rights. The individual is the most vulnerable "minority" in a "democracy".

Posted by: kentim at March 22, 2006 7:33 AM

They'll drive him insane. They will force him to accept their own prescribibed subjective version of reality, regardless whether it coincides with verifiable/falsafiable facts, evidence, observations, or logic.(just like they try to do here concerning Islamic ideology).

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Social Democrats,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Social Democrat.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a Jew,
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.
-- Martin Niemoller.

Posted by: kentim at March 22, 2006 8:02 AM

Almost the whole country is ill. Especially the women.
The World Health organisation.
http://www.who.int/disasters/repo/7399.pdf

"Not only does Afghanistan hold the unenviable position of one of the worst health care situations in the world, it is also grappling with a hidden medical crisis: severe mental suffering resulting from decades of conflict and
repression.
Women, in particular, have seen a dramatic deterioration in their psychological, family and social life over the past decade. Excluded from
education, and employment, they have enormous difficulties accessing health care while still having to care for other family members. Widows, pregnant women, and survivors of sexual violence are particularly vulnerable. In Kabul alone, an estimated 60,000 widows are forced to subsist without traditional family support. Many suffer the humiliation of having to beg, yet are punished for roaming the streets without male accompaniment."

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at March 22, 2006 8:12 AM

The "World Health Org" is a sham. They're part of the bigger problem. Who the hell are they to be meddling in anybody's life?
All they want is dependance and authority.
They think there are too many people on the earth, some people connected to them have had some interesting ideas on how to address that "problem".
This sh-ts been going on for 50 years.... ITS NOT WORKING AS ADVERTISED.
Leave us and them the hell alone.

Posted by: kentim at March 22, 2006 8:31 AM

From the AP article:

"...He is not a normal person. He doesn't talk like a normal person"

There is Islam in all its "glory." If a person doesn't subscribe, he is not normal. And this is why reform of Islam is just not going to happen--any divergence from its hardline ideology will be perceived as abnormal or an attack (See paragraph below for the latter).

Being a Christian is an attack on Islam--so said the prosecutors in Rahman's case.

Find more information about the truth about Islam here.

Posted by: WatchfulEye at March 22, 2006 8:38 AM

Interesting tactic. I think that it shows that the Islamic world fears the United States. The Muslims are quite cagey -- they must listen to American talk radio and to the U.S. troops stationed in Afghanistan and know that there is a growing grass-roots anger in America about the current trial. Once again, I will not be surprised to see a change in a situation that ultimately protects the jihad agenda. If the Islamists think that killing this Christian will not further their worldwide ends then he will be spared.

Don't ever think that a Christian or Jew will be spared from Islamic "justice" out of any kind of compassion.

Posted by: Foehammer at March 22, 2006 9:21 AM

"If the Islamists think that killing this Christian will not further their worldwide ends then he will be spared."

Posted by Foehammer

Another way of saying this is that if the Islamists think that not killing this Christian will further their worlwide ends, he will be spared.

I will write letters, and I will pray for Mr. Rahman.

Part of me, though, can't help but wonder if this whole episode is not some kind of
dog-and-pony show, for the benefit of the West.

You know, to show everybody how civilized Afghan courts are, and how flexible, and how merciful. I'm not exactly a conspiracy theorist, but I don't trust an Islamist as far as I could throw a piano. In addition, I can't see them martyring a Christian.

In Islam, martyrdom is such a high calling and such a high honor. They can't be so blind that they wouldn't think the same holds true for Christians.

Then again, the events of 9/11 were one hell of a way to pick a fight, and this might just be another.

My gut feeling is that Rahman won't be executed. I imagine the nut-hut they send him to won't be a vacation resort, though.

Posted by: Abscedere at March 22, 2006 9:57 AM

So this is the Afghan equivalent of the insanity defense that murderers here in the US use? The above posters are right - equating converting to Christianity to, say, drowing your 5 kids in a bathtub (a la Andrea Yates) is insulting. But if that convoluted path saves this person, it's worth it.

I admire his balls. Wonder if I could have done the same in his place. But if anything happens to him, US troops serving in Afghanistan should mutiny (i.e. implement their own foreign policy, completely ignoring the State Dept), and destroy this new government, complete what the Soviets started, and then come home.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 22, 2006 10:08 AM

Abscedere: You make a point that hadn't occurred to me -- they might use the insanity ploy as a way to imprison him while at the same time saving face with the United States on one side and the Muslims on the other.

I think we should point out to the Afghanis that we expect this man to be set FREE. Period. That should put a wrinkle in things for them if they are trying to be sly.

I still say that if the U.S. Government had any balls at all we'd have already intervened in this trial and extricated this man to safety days ago. Where is the U.N. outrage at this trial? Once again we are witnessing the slow strangle-hold that Islam has on the world.

Too bad for these maniacs that not everyone is blind or without moral resolve.

Posted by: Foehammer at March 22, 2006 10:08 AM

Another of islam's ways is standing in the light for all to see. People will be looking for others now, and will raise their voices against those who would kill them that walk away from islam.

The light is shining.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at March 22, 2006 1:31 PM

What an evil and abusive system Islam is - now they're saying he's nuts!

No wonder this guy left Islam!!!

Posted by: champ at March 22, 2006 2:07 PM

Where's Johnny Cochran when we really need him??
Oh yeah, he's rotting six feet under.

Posted by: Siciliano at March 22, 2006 2:09 PM

Naseem,

You are quite right about one thing. The truth will win out over falsehood if both are put on an equal footing.

Here's something to ponder: Sharia Law prevents Muslims (on pain of death) from changing religion. Sharia law prevents Muslims from criticizing Islam/Sharia/Mohammed, etc (on pain of death). Sharia Law legally prevents (on pain of death) non-Muslims from proselytizing Muslims. Sharia Law makes non-Muslims Dhimmis and therefore not able to express anti-Muslim ideas. The Islamic World only allows about 1/1000th the number of outside books as the Western World. Sharia Law tells Muslims not to befriend non-Muslims and to hate them. As Islamic tradition and doctrine is to spread Islam by the sword if necessary. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. ISLAM PREVENTS ITSELF FROM HAVING TO COMPETE WITH OTHER RELIGIONS OR IDEAS BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE TRUTH. IF IT WAS "TRUE" IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO USE COERCION, FORCE, THREATS, ETC. TO SURVIVE.

Christianity is twice the size as Islam without coercion, force, threats, etc. It is the opposite of Islam in that way. In any country with a majority Christianity population, people are all free to choose their religion. Christians are welcome to leave the faith. Nothing holds a Christian back from converting, and he is exposed to all the worlds great religions, particularly Islam. Christians can legally criticize the faith in all majority Christian countries. Christians are even encouraged to question their interpretations of the Bible. Christians have all the secular non-Christian history that might conflict with the Bible. Etc. Etc. Etc. We want the truth.

Bottom line: A religion that is "true" does not need to use force. Christianity is not afraid of the questions and criticism (Jesus said He was the Way, the Truth, and the Life). If something is not true, then time will destroy it (THAT IS "IF" IT IS NOT IN A SHARIA LAW TYPE SYSTEM).

If Muslims truly believed Islam was the "truth", they would allow anyone to change religion. Why would you want someone who cannot see the light of truth? Why would someone changing from the religion of "truth" be an attack on the religion? Why would you need to conquer with force if almighty God is on your side? If infidels are facing Hell, why would you have to kill them on Earth?

Think long and hard about this. Most Muslims know in their hearts that Islam is a lie. That is why they are terrified of those who are brave enough to follow the truth, like Mr. Rahman. They are terrified of cartoons that expose the truth. Islam will fold like a deck of cards.

Posted by: hello123 at March 22, 2006 4:12 PM

Naseem, we know that the books of the Old Testament that the Jews have (Torah and Tencah/Tenech or Pentateuch) are the same ones that Jesus Christ read and preached from because of the Dead Sea scrolls. They have remained unchanged since Christ's time. If they were wrong, Jesus would have said so. The Quran, however, has changed over time.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/
Mohammad never saw Jesus Christ or spoke with Him. The only place you will find first person, eye witness accounts of what Jesus Christ said and did are in the New Testament.
Quran-18:86: "Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy sprig...
Quran- 18:90: Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.
"Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, “Abzar do you know after setting where does Sun go?” I replied, I do not know, only Allah’s apostle can say better. Then Prophet (SA) replied, “After setting, the sun remains prostrated under Allah’s Aro ’sh and waits for allah’s command for rising again in the East. Day will come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon earth”.
Quran-15:19: And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon Mountains firm and immovable..."
So according to the Quran, the Earth is flat. Did allah forget how he amde the universe, or did Mohammad get it wrong?
Quran-78: 6-7: Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor) ?
When compared to science and astronomy, this is just plain wrong. Does not your allah know how the universe which he created works?
Quran-36:38: And the sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
Quran-21: 33: It is He who created The Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them Swim (float) along in its own course.
So the sun and the moon go around a flat earth until they rest? Again no scientific fact, just ignorance and superstition repeated from old.
Quran-36:39: And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm leaf. The moon hides in "mansions", until it is time to rise? Looks like allah flunked both astronomy and science.
Quran-36:40: It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit." According to your Quran, the sun and moon both orbit the earth. Wrong again, oh allah.
Just because Mohammadeans do not permit their unholy book to be changed does not mean it is correct. The Quran has numerous errors, lies and inconsistencies and has changed over time.
Zaid b. Thabit said: “The Prophet died and the Qur’an had not been assembled into a single place.” (p. 118, Ahmad b. `Ali b. Muhammad al `Asqalani, ibn Hajar, "Fath al Bari", 13 vols, Cairo, 1939/1348, volume 9, page 9)
Zuhri reports, 'We have heard that many Qur'an passages were revealed but that those who had memorized them fell in the Yemama fighting. Those passages had not been written down, and following the deaths of those who knew them, were no longer known; nor had Abu Bakr, nor `Umar nor `Uthman as yet collected the texts of the Qur'an.
According to Mohammad's last wife, Aiesha (sic) part of the Quran was even eaten by a goat! (I wonder if he got sick from eating this filth?) "The verse of the stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed. When the messenger of Allah expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper." References: Musnad Ahmad bin Hanbal. vol. 6. page 269; Sunan Ibn Majah, page 626; Ibn Qutbah, Tawil Mukhtalafi 'l-Hadith (Cairo: Maktaba al-Kulliyat al-Azhariyya. 1966) page 310; As-Suyuti, ad-Durru 'l-Manthur, vol. 2. page 13

This is why Mohammadean society lived in ignorance, poverty and filth while the West, under Christian and Jewish scientists, made scientific advances. No natural law was ever discovered or expounded by Mohammadeans. This is why all Mohammadean societies are still backward compared to those of the West, and why the GNP of all Mophammadean nations combined does not even equal the GNP of Spain.
Mohammadeans call Mohammad a prophet despite the fact that there is not one single prophecy in the Quran. The Quran says Jesus (Isa) did not die on teh cross, and tehrefore was not resurrected fromthe dead.
However Mohammed said that the Gospels (Injil) are true (correct), and all four of the Gospels say that Jesus (Isa) did in fact die on the cross.
The Christian Bible predates Muhammad and Islam by 500 years. The Jewish Torah predates Muhammad and Islam by 1,000 - 3,000 years. Muhammad said for Muslims to read the Bible for "Guidance and Light." For Islam to say they are corrupted, then is to call Muhammad a liar for recommending it. BUt then they call Jesus Christ a liar for prophesying both His death on the cross and His resurrection, and for calling God His father.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at March 22, 2006 6:30 PM

True to the Islamic use of deception, they are trying to weasel out of the predicament this has caused.

We cease to be fooled by these Islamic contortions. they are expected and taken for what they are: a tactic in the ongoing jihad (war is deception).

Posted by: unicorns62000 at March 22, 2006 6:39 PM

Infidel Pride- You're not insane in the Islamic world if you kill your kids, as long as you can prove that they insulted your honor.

Posted by: JadeDragoness at March 22, 2006 7:12 PM

These are the people that should and deserve to live here in the states, not the mohamedanes. I think he should be brought to america where he can have freedom of religion, that's the only solution cause even if they spared him you think they'll leave him alone. don't think so.

Posted by: Egyptian at March 22, 2006 8:13 PM

Where is the US occupation army in all this?

All we need is one brave colonel, or even major to send his men to free Mr. Rahman and place him under the US Army's protection and demand he receive political asylum.

Make sure the media is there and there would be no way the American people would let that colonel or major ever be court-marshalled. In fact, he would return to the US as a national hero.

Posted by: Provoslavni at March 23, 2006 10:04 AM

Naseem you better pray to your god forsaken monster called allah, and hope that this man is not killed, as it will wake up even more Christians, and other non muslims to the evil nature of the cult you call islam!

Posted by: Lulu at March 23, 2006 5:21 PM