OT:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060321/ap_en_ot/italy_jeans_for_islam_4

Jeans for Muslims!

http://www.alqudsjeans.com

Posted by: igor at March 22, 2006 8:22 AM

I would have thought that voluminous pockets ( for mixed explosives) and a very loose waist (enabling TNT belts ) would be more to their taste. How sycophantic!!

With regards to the dirty or nuclear bomb, it will take the use of one of these to finally make western leaders actually do more than sit us and make lipservice to the threat but by then it may be too late.

I suppose that no life sentence is applicable here so he will have even more desire to obtain one when he is released. Sorry folks!! but I approve of a death sentence for these creatures and I have NEVER been in favour of it before seeing as you just cannot trust polticians and lawyers with one, but enough is enough, and it is better than giving the swine 15 years of proselytising time in gaol.

Posted by: Zathras at March 22, 2006 8:39 AM

A little more detail from The Times.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2097938,00.html
Including "Waheed Mahmood, 34, from Crawley. Worked for National Grid Transco, which the prosecution said would be a significant point in this case. Also known as Abdul, Esmail or Javed"

And note not only the number of aliases but that they keep using the same names. They are the only names they have, that very small pool of Islamic names.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at March 22, 2006 8:48 AM

Nukes and Islam.....
Why should be this be so shocking to the civilized world from Islam, the religion of violence, that has stated repeatedly that it will conquer the world. Afghan to execute an ex-muslim for becoming a Christian. Islam the relgion of violence.

Will the Bush presidency and the Bush Administration wake-up if there is a Nuclear Pearl Harbor???

Not as long as President Bush refers to Islam as a peaceful religion.

It will be the common American forcing Congress to take action as we did with the Dubai ports deal.

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at March 22, 2006 8:57 AM

I am totally discusted by the blatant display o dhimmitude adopted by my country towards the facilitation of Islamic credibility in the world of science.
Ihave e-mailed the organising body responsible for the 1001 Islamic invetion exhibition and would hope that all Brits reading this will do likewise.
Their site is listed after my message to them.

'You should be totally ashamed of substuting the concept of Western Science and its advances with unproven 'facts' attributing sprurious firsts generated by a cult founded upon subjugation and intolerance.
THIS IS A COMPLETE AND UTTER DENIAL OF ENLIGHTENED SCIENCE.
Political correctness is being employed to bolster the status of Islam, which again I reiterate is a cult religion.
You are disgracefully misleading the generations of tomorrow into believing without substantiating verification such claims, leading them to believe that Islam is a culture of openness and investigation. THIS TOTALLY FALSE.
YOU ARE TRAITORS AND LUDDITES as far as scientific truth and examination is concerned.
Islam is a religion of plagiarised earlier religions. After having invaded contemporary countries and cultures, it stole unashamedly and cherry picked what it wanted.
That is why it produced absolutely nothing for 1000 years, until it refined the art of suicide bombing and propaganda.

Yours disgustedly.
name and address supplied'

Send your objection forcibly to

http://www.the-ba.net/the-ba/_ContactUs/ChiefExecutiveAndDirectors.htm

Posted by: Sir Cumfrence at March 22, 2006 8:58 AM

The sick part of all this is even after they get and use a nuke or dirty bomb, the pc crowd will still claim "we can't blame all muslims for the actions of a small minority". Zathras, I always thought if a muslim died at the hands of infidels he would be a martyr. I believed that living 60 or more years in prison was a worse fate. Now I find myself siding with you, they might die in prison but while there they can recruit their own replacements. Prisoners who might some day earn release to cause even more casualties. It is time to wake up, separate muslims from the general population, speed up terrorism trails and pass laws designed to limit immigration and monitor imams and other so called leaders. The US, England, and the rest of Europe are all at risk. We have kowtowed enough. The UK has more of them and as such had better speed up their defenses, I’m not sure us “colonists” can save them this time around. A dirty bomb or nuke would crush their economy for generations it will be too little too late if an attack occurs. The death chants of the PC types “you should have seen this coming”. Wake up, we do see it and you really are at risk.

Posted by: Ronin at March 22, 2006 9:01 AM

Well, I guess this little revelation blows Kenny Livingstone's theory about how the jihaddists resort to suicide bombing because that's all they can afford in the way of armaments.

As for Igor's Al Qods jeans item, I'm sure that neither the dhimmi Italian designer nor any of his probable clients would know that blue jeans were the invention of a Jewish tailor, Levi Strauss, who set out to create pants that would wear long and well for farmers, cattle ranchers, miners and the like.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at March 22, 2006 9:14 AM

If anyone wants a laugh go and look at Mohideen's last comment (now in the archives ...the first post for the 19th march about Jihad) and I thought that the zionist plot to take ove the world was a fanatasy. This post is not just sick it is nauseating,

THIS GUY IS A RETIRED PROFESSOR OF COMPUTER SCIENCE!! Surely he cannot be that stupid? But he is!! That shows you just how deep is Islamic indoctrination. I do hope his neighbours are prepared when he gets the call to jihad.

Islam: the monomania for the mindless. They may saeem sane ia all other areas of life until the jihad button is pressed then the monomania becomes a true mania.

Posted by: Zathras at March 22, 2006 9:55 AM

I was thinking about the use of suicide bombers. It poses as an act of religious dedication but really is used by unscrupulous jihadists who persuade deeply religious angst filled adolescents or fallen islamic woamen to make a symbolic gesture to the world to show the kafir just how willing all muslims are to die. Of course, the 15k cash always helps.

But this is not the case. Once away from their indoctrinator a lot of these confused adolescents have second thoughts and either explode prematurely from performance anxiety or give themselves up to the israelis.I think that the pool of willing volunteers in the Gaza strip etc might be decreasing. Unfortunately, the pool in the west expands every day as indoctrination sets in and the noxious omnipresent west adds fuel to their hatred.

What do you do with an intact captured suicide bomber? Really interesting topic that one,

Posted by: Zathras at March 22, 2006 10:06 AM

Ken Livingstone, Water Dragon?

He's back to his old tricks:

It seems that Ken Livingstone, the mayor of London, has made a political judgment that it is good for his public image and electoral prospects if he employs low-level racist abuse against Jews every now and then.

Today at one of his regular press conferences, Ken Livingstone was discussing plans to regenerate Stratford in east London. He said the following about Simon and David Reuben, well-known property developers who are involved in the project:

Perhaps if they're not happy they can always go back [to their own country] and see if they can do better under the ayatollahs.

Asked to clarify his remarks he added:

If they're not happy here, they can go back to Iran and try their luck with the ayatollahs, if they don't like the planning regime or my approach.

The Reuben brothers are from India and are of Iraqi Jewish descent.

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/david_hirsh/2006/03/livingstone_employs_lowlevel_r.html

Posted by: Yojimbo at March 22, 2006 10:41 AM

For a list of all the jihads that have been waged throughout history by muslims against non-muslims from islam's beginnings to the present, check out historyofjihad.org. This site is presently offline for reasons unknown (probably was found to be offensive to islam) but the link below brings up the cached pages. Great site.

http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=2960964567163&lang=en-US&mkt=en-US&FORM=CVRE8

Posted by: Mahdi Al-Dajjal at March 22, 2006 10:54 AM

Want to put a bomb to good use ...?

I think we need to create miniature bombs –nothing too powerful to kill lots of people, but something really small that could be implanted into the base of a captured jihadist’s skull and either blow his head off (spraying nearby jihadist buddies) or simply enough to kill him cleanly. Add to it a miniature GPS device and watch where they are at all times. If they gather together or get too close to where you don’t want them to be …POP! There’s one dead jihadist. If it’s powerful enough to make his head explode and spray his buddies …even better!

Imagine some jihadists in their little brick building with a couple of dozen friends sitting around plotting some terror attack and one of their heads explodes. GPS notes that about 5 captured jihadists are all together in one room, so it’s time to make a show of things. Then another. And then another. Everyone who was captured, put into jail, and then released has one implanted and they all die and leave the remaining ones left to wonder how they’ve displeased Allah with their deeds…

Posted by: illustr8rg8r at March 22, 2006 10:55 AM

illustr8rg8r, great idea but it will not work. No one I know wants to clean up dead muslims.

Posted by: Ronin at March 22, 2006 10:59 AM

patriot you want a real laugh see my response to mohideen on the next subject (I am not a apostate).

Posted by: Ronin at March 22, 2006 11:19 AM

How big are those English pubs getting if they needed a nuke for one?

The lack of a death penalty for terrorism, terroristic treason/terroristic sedition and related charges makes this a fatally one-sided war.

And there can only be one winner if the victims will not fight back effectively.

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 22, 2006 11:25 AM

Oh, go on, Charles - apologize for the cartoons again. You can't be expected to know the story behind it:

http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19313

And it's not as if the "Muslim community" has anything to apologize for. What's an atom bomb between friends? We're all friends, you know. And all religions say much the same .... they do, don't they?

I know you're not just a servant of the politicians. You met the Dalai Lama even though Tony Blair (who didn't want to offend the Chinese) wouldn't, because you thought he was worthy of respect - which he is.

I know you were a good friend of Laurens van der Post. I suspect Jungian doctrines here - second-hand via Sir Laurens:

In all this we are in the presence of a great mystery which does not induce mystification but a life-giving sense of wonder out of which all that man has of religion, art and science is born. It is a cosmic area and therefore universal to man and there is no dignified place here for presumptions like the Descartian, `I think, therefore I am'. In the presence of this mystery at the heart of these great `togethernesses', the human being knows how small is the area within himself where thinking is at the disposal of conscious will and preconceived purposes.

http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/LvdP/WLWM.html

But just suppose for one minute that tradition and dreams and religion are not always good. Just suppose that there might be a religion is that is the heart of darkness.

I think even the Archbishop of Canterbury may have come to suspect this. He never gives straight answers to questions. But why when the editor of the Guardian asked him about Islam did he start talking about Dietrich Bonhoeffer?

Posted by: Yojimbo at March 22, 2006 11:31 AM

I like reading yours also. Sometimes I need a dictionary to translate what Yojimbo, Hugh and some of the others are saying and I wish I had their knowledge of history. Until I go back to school (never going to happen) I will just continue to match my wits against allahs minions. I am convinced I can beat them just not with the flair the rest of you have.

If you go to the archives and get a few of the old posts and compare writing styles, spelling etc, you will see multiple Naseems. I brought that to folk’s attention a few days ago. I have not checked on the others because I just don't care. I suspect they pay people to blog as some kind of sick cyber jihad. I am not as educated as a lot of the people who post here but I have massive amounts of common sense and I ain't buying what they be sellin.

Posted by: Ronin at March 22, 2006 11:43 AM

I retried out of the military and they don’t need our help at winning wars. They can beat anyone. The best way we can help is to beat the thick headed Americans at home who refuse to let them work. I switch between pull out the troops and put more in. I wish I had the answers but I don’t. I question weather defending muslims was the right thing for me to do and I am confused at sometimes we shoot them sometimes we help them. I guess that’s why I’m not a politician. I can’t say I understand global politics but I clearly understand that no one will ever move into my home and demand I do anything I don’t want to do. I think I have earned that right. I am deeply concerned at my buddies who are still in the fight and wish them well but I see no way to win, if they get a democracy based on antiquated religious laws designed to control the population by force. All governments control the masses but with our version of a democracy at least we switch back and forth between parties, it corrupts their power base and occasionally gives us little people some relief.

Posted by: Ronin at March 22, 2006 12:09 PM

Ronin,

Would you rather clean up dead Muslims or dead Infidels? If they're so desperately seeking death and martyrdom, let's help them out a little bit.

They'd all be running around looking to blow themselves up, but I'd much rather our government having the choice of detonating them a few miles before they reach their intended targets rather than them letting loose with destruction where they want to.

The certainty here is that they're going to die. Let's make it be on our terms rather than theirs.

Posted by: illustr8rg8r at March 22, 2006 12:44 PM

Posted on Dhimmi watch also since the subject is the same: Perhaps the exhibit should include the Muslim invention of the cell phone at Motorola-Israel in "Palestine"?

The number of inventions that have emanated from Israel are remarkable and evoke respect and admiration from rational non-Jews. This kind of creative intelligence evokes hatred and fear from others? Why?

Added: Once the best minds of the Moslem world (particularly Arabs) dump the Loonytoon emphasis on religion in their culture-I have no doubt they will lead in science. They must have the courage to do what the Jews have done and contribute in science (and much else) so the world will respect them because they have earned respect. I think this is part of the dream of Waffa Sultan, but that nobel and brave lady has her life threatened for speaking truth on this matter.

Posted by: Frank at March 22, 2006 1:04 PM

Latest from the BBC on the story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4832740.stm

Mr Akbar allegedly said: "The biggest nightclub in central London, no one can put their hands up and say they are innocent - those slags dancing around."

Apparently, one can now be guilty of dancing.

Mr Mahmood was allegedly recorded saying the Madrid bombings were "absolutely beautiful", while brother Shujah said it would have been "fantissimo" if they had been staged during the holidays to target families.

What appalling people! Ladies and Gentlemen of the Church of Wales, of Pearson Books, of the EU, of all the other apologetic organizations, what do you think of the Religion of Peace ™ now? You're encouraging these people by your attitudes.

Posted by: Yojimbo at March 22, 2006 1:22 PM

illustr8rg8r...

What a novel idea! Thirty seconds before detonation it should musically play I am the Walrus from the Beatles but insert I am the Martyr with Porky Pig as the vocalist.

Posted by: Siciliano at March 22, 2006 1:24 PM

The prosecution said contact had been made with the Russian mafia in Belgium, from whom they wanted to buy a radio-isotope bomb.

For a few downtrodden and oppressed young Muslim men in England, they sure get around okay. Wish I could afford to take a trip to Belgium. And they have connections too. If I wanted to buy a nuclear device, I wouldn't even know where to start, but these peace bombers from the Religion of Peace know who to talk to.

Posted by: special_guest at March 22, 2006 1:52 PM

illustr8rg8r to me:

“Would you rather clean up dead Muslims or dead Infidels? If they're so desperately seeking death and martyrdom, let's help them out a little bit.”

I hate to admit this but placing muslims in bags doesn’t bother me much but it is a thank less task. On a thread yesterday I suggested coping the islamic web pages with all the tips for building explosives, mirror them after first changing the formulas to be unstable. I always see muslim moms telling the world how proud they are that little mo blew himself up and that he was now a martyr. Think of how proud she would be if he mixed the formula inside her house and it went off in his face. She could have the ladies over for tea and proudly show them the stain that used to be little mo. As much fun as it is to dream, killing 1.2 billion of anything is messy, expensive and someone has to clean it up. I think we can win a majority over too reality, at least I hope we can. The faithful followers of old mo keep losing to us infidels, sooner or later I hope the others see it and start to wonder if they might be on the wrong side. Even if only a few decide to leave the religion of peace, it is better than killing them, interning them or reeducating them. That said, I think for safety sake we need to control the ones already here, stop more from coming and increase pressure on the other 1.1 billion. In short, win their hearts and minds, if it doesn’t work out then we can encourage them to self detonate.

Posted by: Ronin at March 22, 2006 1:52 PM

yes i seen it,ronin.i alway's like reading your post's.it's alway's fun to make fun of Mohideen Ibramsha,Tom Tom,Naseem,Defender,Bayoucoyote,or whatever name they are useing

Posted by: patriot2

Patriot2,
I sent a request to JW and asked them to review Bayoucoyote and see about getting him banned from this site. Hopefully they'll see the crap he has posted and he'll be gone.

Posted by: ivehadenuff at March 22, 2006 2:17 PM

Patriot2,
He may be persistent but he is so dadgum childish. I might disagree with your opinion but I agree with your right to have it. I also won't denigrate you for having a different opinion than I as he seems is necessary. Rational discourse is what this site is all about and Bayoucoyote doesn't seem able to do that.

Posted by: ivehadenuff at March 22, 2006 2:34 PM

The pinnacle of the male muslim's life is when he gets his name. It is all downhill from there.

Posted by: pismopal at March 22, 2006 2:59 PM

This article is very good - seriously, don't miss this one.

Prospects of Terror: An Inquiry into Jihadi Alternatives

This is part 2 in a series at the American Thinker

It appears likely that Europe will be the next major battleground in the Long War.

The Jihadis, following public humiliation on their own home ground, will need a means of proving that they’re still in the game, and Europe is vulnerable. It abuts directly against ancient Muslim homelands at several points, has a substantial and unintegrated Muslim population, has offered active Jihadis sanctuary within its borders, has pursued reckless immigration and security policies, and has supped with the Devil through its open support of Saddam Hussein (paid for with Iraqi oil funds) and Muslim terror organizations such as Al Fatah and Hamas. ...

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5348

I don't know if anyone would like to email Robert the URL in case he's like to run a thread on it.

Posted by: Yojimbo at March 22, 2006 3:16 PM

Let me tell you what will happen if there is a nuclear terrorist attack. The blame is quickly going to be shifted to western civilization for inventing weapons of mass destruction in the first place. There will be massive hysteria whipped up by the media and other busy bodies to prevent a presumed backlash - when is the last time this happened, any backlash after 9/11 other than isolated incidents - and the attention will cynically be diverted from the act and the victims to the muslims paranoid about a backlash and islamaphobia.

Does this mean I support a backlash, No, does this mean I'm anti muslim, no. I respond to individuals not communities. What it means is we have a problem and we have to deal with it, all those who value modern civilization and human progress must isolate and destroy this barbaric movement whether they perpetrators identify themselves as muslims or whatever, we don't care. We can't jeopardise the progress we have made so far and moving ahead because of a few misguided idiots. We have to deal this problem and if muslims care about the modern world we live in they will support us.

Posted by: raulb at March 22, 2006 3:17 PM

If you have not seen the excellent BBC film, "Dirty War", about an attack using dirty bombs on central London, you may want to check it out.

Posted by: MP at March 22, 2006 3:53 PM

Havoc said

testing 1,2,3

Yeah, we always knew you were a commie Islamic sympathizer! But what would your Bill Clinton have done after 9/11? SURRENDER TO THE MUSLIMS, the big wuss that he is. Well, we're all armed to the teeth, and you can try to pry the gun out of our cold dead hands, you no-good...

What the..? Sorry, I guess I've been reading too many similar posts the past few days.

Posted by: special_guest at March 22, 2006 4:30 PM

Two very scary books on this possibility are Nuclear Terrorism, The Ultimate Preventable Catastrophe by Graham Allison and The Al Qaeda Connection by Paul L. Williams. In a nutshell, there are so many "loose" fissible materials around unless they are made a top priority to be secured like Fort Knox...well...

Williams references Insight as saying CIA told them that this story really was about a plutonium-implosion bomb in a backpack at a Ramallah checkpoint...

www.papillonsartpalace.com/israelf.htm

A good site about securing nukes and the risks:

www.nti.org

Throw in nation states like N. Korea and the brinksmanship loonies in Iran and we should be very, very concerned.

All the best,
Mac

Posted by: amana39 at March 22, 2006 6:45 PM

I am confused at sometimes we shoot them (Muslims) sometimes we help them.
Posted by: Ronin at March 22, 2006 12:09 PM
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And what will you do if Islamic bombs, Islamic WMD's or Islamic nukes going off in America???

Are you prepared???

Are you armed???

Are you ready???

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at March 22, 2006 7:24 PM

Are you prepared???
Are you armed???
Are you ready???
i'm gettin there tex.got family by Detriot,trying to get them out
Posted by: patriot2 at March 22, 2006 07:28 PM
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Major targets for Islam in America.
NYC - Stock Market & Banking
Washington, DC - Politicians
Detroit - Auto production
Chicago - Stock Market & Banking
Houston - Refining
Dallas - Banking and Defense
Las Vegas - Just evil.
LA - Electronics
San Diego - Military
Seattle - Defense
KC - Defense and Telecommunications

If you live in a metropolitian area, think about what could make it a target and how close you live to that site and how to prepare for what could happen.

Prepare, be armed, be ready.

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at March 22, 2006 8:03 PM

raulb -

Good post, but I'm curious about what you meant by the "progress that we've made"....what progress are you referring to?

Posted by: champ at March 22, 2006 8:54 PM

I think people still think that they can appease this thing -

like just give it a holiday - or some extra space at the local library and it will go away.

One Parliamentary member in a debate on terrorism - said if innocent Muslims are killed in a terrorist attack, then it is the Islamic belief that they will go directly to paradise because they are Muslim.

With this kind of underlying thought how are we going to get the majority in the Muslim community to back us and really take a stand against the terrorist ideology?

This is the problem with Islam.

Posted by: Pass It On at March 23, 2006 5:15 AM