Clearly, they were all just experiencing a 'Jihad Moment'. Happens to most muslims.

Posted by: Mahdi Al-Dajjal at March 30, 2006 7:36 AM

"Death for the sake of Allah is our most lofty aspiration"

So, why doesn't someone already make them realize their most lofty aspiration?

Isn't there anyone willing to do this? Anyone?

Posted by: unicorns62000 at March 30, 2006 7:43 AM

Does "MP" stand for "Muslim Parrots"?

Posted by: Shy Guy at March 30, 2006 7:47 AM

So they're all gathered in one place...Hellfire missile, please.

Posted by: 3812Michelle at March 30, 2006 7:49 AM

This is not the "Jihad means inner struggle" crowd. That crowd gives commencement speeches at Harvard in front of audiences of cooing infidels. Who can go home reassured that Islam is another great faith, same as Christianity and Judaism

Posted by: dennisw at March 30, 2006 8:11 AM

Thats the REAL Islam, Islam pure, undiluted. Nothing about that 'Jihad is inner struggle' s#*t...

"...Death for the sake of Allah is our most lofty aspiration..."

Just what is keeping us from exporting them to their 'lofty aspirations?"

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 30, 2006 8:17 AM

Quite a Hansard of Hate, recording the remarks of what must be the most unpleasand and murderous parliament in the world. "Death for the sake of Allah is our most lofty aspiration," accompanied by assorted chants of "Allahu Akbar" does not exactly put one in mind of Burke's speech (delivered on March 22, 1775) on "Peace and Reconcilation with the Colonies." Nor does it put us in mind of any of Burke's speeches, or of Burke himself, or of England, or of Europe, or of the West, or of anything remotely resembling civilization.

Posted by: Hugh at March 30, 2006 8:29 AM

This is a team huddle...they all want to focus on the same thing.

In the past I have been to some motivational/management courses (run by Infidels)that talk about less than 7 objectives being a good thing....otherwise there are too many focusses and you are lost.

Whether you agree with their rhetoric is almost irrelevent. They are focussed and believe in the same things.... a starting point (although personally I think Jihad as a starting point is a bit much).

I find it fascinating that at this point in time a stongly focussed majority elected administration is available for the pals and a floundering coalition is on the Israeli side.

Truly it is a good time for the Pals to negotiate.

With the Israelis talking about more uni-lateral withdrawals from occupied lands...this tactic is working well for them.

Even upto 10 years ago this would have been unheard of....imagine the progress that Hamas will make over the next 10 years.

Truly a good time to convert.

Peace

Posted by: Naseem at March 30, 2006 8:33 AM

Naseem

Before anyone converts, did your kids learn Jihad in the school curriculum

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010811.php#comments

Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 30, 2006 8:47 AM

patriot2 ....are you flirting with me?

Surely is taste is limited to Israeli women & not Islamic women...to "taste" that friut ...you need to convert!!!!!

Posted by: Naseem at March 30, 2006 8:59 AM

So, Naseem thinks this is truly a good time to convert, based on Hamas's terror tactics bringing about Israeli withdrawals.

Convert to what, dear Naseem? Hamas hates all infidels, Amadeyahs like yourself included and possibly even more particularly.

We hear lots of news in the regular media sources about terrorist attacks that kill and maim Israelis and Israeli retaliations, but we hear almost nothing about "Palestinian" on "Palestinian" clan/factional violence, which has probably taken significantly more "Palestinian" lives than any strikes against "Palestinian" by the IDF.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at March 30, 2006 9:00 AM

They are shouting out "Article 8" of the Hamas Charter; The slogan of Hamas

http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/isreport/hamas.html.

Posted by: Mackie at March 30, 2006 9:10 AM

"imagine the progress that Hamas will make over the next 10 years."

I imagine if they had their way they would turn that region into a proper crap-hole like Syria or Lebanon.

But why would now be a good time to convert?
Oh wait I get it. If you are going to live like a brain-washed savage, you might as well think like one too.

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at March 30, 2006 9:16 AM

When in Pakistan the violence is renewed by the full-bodied Muslims against the Ahmadiyas, as happens intermittently is, cries for help and understanding and possibly even Western intervention, or Western refuge come from Naseem (a self-proclaimed member of the Ahmadiyya) and others in her same position, it is such remarks as those she posts above, that will cause many to remain implacable and unmoved. And that stony reaction will be exactly right.

Posted by: Hugh at March 30, 2006 9:28 AM

Waterdragon ,

Sorry my post is far too simplistic & prone to misintrepetration. My point is that Israel first fought with the Arabs then the PLO and now Hamas.

Israel has tried to negotiate (how truly I don't know) ...but it is true that they don't have a negotiating partner.

Israel has had to resort to uni-lateril action without a partner....and the non-partner has won in getting some land back.They feel that by sticking to same plan (no negotiation, sap the will power of the Israelis (who in truth are a different nation to the one in 1948)plus terror tactics ...that they will get more. And already Israel is talking about more uni-lateral withdrawal....Hamas will accept those greatly ....and continue negotiating without good faith ...it's all part of their original goal.

Hamas can never negotiate a settlement...bacause it means accepting Israel....and I just don't think they would do that ...ever....thier reputation within Islam would dive to zero...and why would they want that....it would mean the end for them.

I hate terror & I hate violence & I hate the Hamas tactics....I am saying however that their tactics have had some success...and given time they will have more ....bacause they have guessed rightly that Israel will tire.

I don't know the solution, very clever people don't know what the answer is but...Hamas know what THEIR answer is very clearly so in that part of the world...if you want to win ..convert.

Posted by: Naseem at March 30, 2006 9:38 AM

Naseem, have you ever heard of the term defensible perimeter? When the Israelis are all safely ensconced behind a wall, the loudmouths of Hamas will be alone waiting for the IDF.

Some terms that come to mind are "sitting ducks" and "target rich environment".

Posted by: treehugger at March 30, 2006 9:43 AM

Hugh,

Good day to you.

I am not so nieve....When the violence comes to the Ahmadi in Pak by the Sunni & (maybe) the Shia...all in the world will say "don't interfere it's just muslim on muslim...leave them to it".

It will be ironic that only the OUTSIDE world will view the Ahmadi as muslim.

I don't really expect much outside help anyway. My philosophy is of a peaceful Islam and the use of the earlier suras of Muhammed (saw). Unfortunately these seem to be at variance from the Sunni.

I don't know if you followed my conversion with our learned maths teacher Mohideen Ibramshah ....I told him that our current leader of the Ahmadi was an excellent spiritual leader but not the Calipah (although perhaps his son/grandson could be).

The Calipah will have a significant global effect...and our leader kind and effective though he is ...is not a global phenomenon...I'm sure he will forgive that of me.

Still I could not get Mohideen to utter the words..."Yes you are muslim too".

So, I am philosipical and fatalist about the whole thing...it is not the sunni who decides whether and how I live....it is Allah (swt). When he decides I have to leave the earth .... I will....and no amount of US/ANO help will be able to save me from what Allah has ordained for me....good or bad.

peace

Posted by: Naseem at March 30, 2006 9:57 AM

"When the violence comes to the Ahmadi in Pak by the Sunni & (maybe) the Shia...all in the world will say 'don't interfere it's just muslim on muslim...leave them to it'."

Amen to that.
It would be one thing if we actually got something in return for helping muslims, but since we (clearly) don't why bother?

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at March 30, 2006 10:05 AM

TreeHugger,

I hope that the wall does make a difference...the truth of the matter is ...given the strength of the Israelis....the Pals have always been a target rich area.

Posted by: Naseem at March 30, 2006 10:14 AM

Hi Naseem;

You're really into this aren't you? I mean to call this a team huddle? Nazz have you been watching American football? And why do you continue to spread hate by calling Westerners infidels. I know that I call Muslim Islamofeces and all, but I still call them Muslims. Besides I only call them as I see them. Look at how the majority of Muslims act. You Muslims call us names and expect no backlash, and if we do respond in a way that you don't like then you're offended. Look at how you Muslims responded to the cartoons of Muhammad. And as much as you Muslims talk bad about Jesus and the Bible and Christianity, I wonder how you Muslims would feel if we "Christians" resortted to burning mosques and beating Muslims to within a micro of their lives?
But then, I'm off the subject aren't I? Or am I?
You claim that in the past you have been to some motivational/management courses, of course given by "infidels". But how many of them shouted "jihad is our path,Death for the sake of Jesus is our most lofty aspiration." during the conference? Nine times out of ten they were actually motivating people to excell in their business lives. Not kill themselves for "jihad."
And you're right. They are focused, but on the most sick and twisted ideals in human history, the total destrution of Israel.
You applaud the Israelis talking more about uni-lateral withdrawals from occupied lands. Let me laet you in on alittle secret, the Israelis won that land fair and square from Muslims that were stupid enough to attack them because they exsist. For that matter, Israel is the the only country in history to give back land that they honestly won from the invading enemy!!! You claim that giving back "won territory" is working for them.
Balderdash, poppycock, and hokekum!!! This form of "Neville Chamberland" like diplomacy is only leading them to further terrorist act by, I'm sorry, Palestinian terrorist Islamofeces.
As the Palestinian Speaker Aziz Dweik proclaimed:

"The Prophet Muhammad is OUR model."

And history records the Muhammad was quite the little peace keeper. Just ask Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf, or maybe Abu Jahl bin Hisham, Utba bin Rabi'a, Shaiba bin Rabi'a and the other leaders of the Quraysh. And the reason why the Israelis giving up won land was unheard of was because they understood their enemy as sick, twisted barbarians sworn to their destruction. BACK THEN!!!
And I can imagine the progress that Hamas will make in the next ten years or less, Israeli blood flooding the streets of Tel Avi.
Palestine is a terrorist state, plain and simple, that is sworn to the destruction of Israel. They've even made it plain after they, Hamas, swept to electorial victory.
Israel had better stop what they're doing and go back to watching their backs as far as the hamas lead Palestinian paliament is concerned. This land give back will not win over the Palestinians and you know it Naseem. Before long, there will be Palestinans blowing up passenger buses in the streets of Tel Avi. And for what? All in the name of Allah, the koran, and the pedeophile phalse prophet, child molestin' Muhammad!!!
Yes, it is a truely good time for sick individuals to convert to Islam.
May you find true peace.

Posted by: Ironman Hondo at March 30, 2006 10:16 AM

Hello Naseem of the Day, Weatherwax the White here. Remember?
You never said whether I was the lilywhite or the Mighty White but never mind. Do you not remember what "you" also said 4 days ago, which was
"I have stated before that womens in democracy are
subject to far too many freedoms. Then they go & lose their way..."
and then you said "We womens are naturally slightly more confused about life, more emotional, more prone to change our minds, more easily led ashtray.....
Allah has put us in a pecking order...our cooking skills and our ability fo have childrens.....this is where our strength lies.
...we should know where we belong This is where Islam comes into it's own...womens in Islam know exactly were their place is and it makes them happy...it makes me happy..."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010751.php

So what on God's earth are you doing in a team huddle on good, (well they were Infidel run!) motivational/management courses? What would Khajida say?

And by the way, your language, grammar and spelling are looking good this afternoon. ;-)

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at March 30, 2006 10:31 AM

I noticed that also, Granny. Maybe she's had her coffee or a good night's rest.

Posted by: freewoman at March 30, 2006 10:39 AM

http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/leftovers/showpics.cgi?comparative_religion_101

Posted by: Carolyn2 at March 30, 2006 10:40 AM

"When he decides I have to leave the earth .... I will....and no amount of US/ANO help will be able to save me from what Allah has ordained for me....good or bad."
-- from a posting above

I agree -- Muslims should be allowed their inshallah-fatalism, and we should be allowed our Avian Bird Flu and liver transplants and heart-bypass operations. Just a little difference of world-view. And in the spirit of respecting others -- the "che sera, sera" approach favored, at one point, by Rosemary Clooney, aunt of you-know-who -- I think that Muslims should be left as alone as possible by Infidels, and that the twain should meet as little as can reasonably be arranged. In Muslim countries, and in Lands of the Infidels. There are ways to achieve this.

I'd begin by suggesting a complete withdrawal from Iraq, and in Iran, only minimally invasive surgery, through missiles and planes and no soldiers on the ground remaining more than 24 hours, in order to operate on the nuclear tumor. In fact, I have been mentioning this kind of thing to the interns and residents during Grand Rounds, over the past two years. Some of it has stuck.

Posted by: Hugh at March 30, 2006 10:50 AM

>>Does "MP" stand for "Muslim Parrots"?

Posted by: Shy Guy >>>

Hiya,,

Please don't insult Parrots. I live with Parrots, and I can tell you,,

Parrots are ALOT more intelligent than muslim nutters.

LOLOL

"freedom is just another word for nothing left to loose" Janis Joplin

Posted by: solsticewitch13 at March 30, 2006 10:51 AM

"I am not so nieve..."
-- from a posting above

Not even a little bit Ippolito Nievo?

Posted by: Hugh at March 30, 2006 10:51 AM

Hello Granny,

Good to hear from you. I thought that you stopped speaking to me there for a while. I know you belive me ...but really there is only one Naseem...not a collective.

After getting married ...oh some 22 odd years ago my (still somewhat ill) hubby took me to lahore to live.

He is Ahmadi too (which was a prime reason of us getting hitched). Anyway, he introduced me to the family business (which some infidel left after partition)slowly...very slowly. He and Abba Jaan ran it, while I spent much time with Ami Jaan and the childrens.

When Abba Jaan got very ill, I started to take a more active role which increased when he passed away.

I asked my shor Anwer to let me go on some training courses (I did the research for them), came to see my family in the UK and did a couple of courses as well.

I implemented some of what I had learned and the business did well...and I respected my shor's opinion to let me front some of it. He is in charge.... I respect him and I run it with him... but he is in charge. With that stance...it has been OK...not screaming but OK.

I have other interests too...so I'm not that bothered about having a cutting edge business...not if it takes my time away from cooking which I enjoy greatly.

I also enjoy net surfing and a researching about Ahmadi Islam and Khaidja (may Allah shower her in praise)in particular. Needless to say that we have befriended some reasonably high ranking army types ...who look out for us....but we always have to be careful about our "Ahmadiship"....it's only prudent.

peace

Posted by: Naseem at March 30, 2006 10:59 AM

Naseem, the Palestinians have indeed always been a target rich environment. The Israelis could have drive them into the sea at the time of their choosing.

Instead they tried to find a more peaceful route then total genocide. Look how they are rewarded.

The Iraqis, on the other hand, are threatening to kill all Palestinians within their borders in the next ten days. No outcry from the Muslim world about THAT.

What lesson should we infidels take from this?
I can tell you, it has nothing to do with the value of mercy.

Posted by: treehugger at March 30, 2006 11:01 AM

The Iraqis, on the other hand, are threatening to kill all Palestinians within their borders in the next ten days,

why,what happened treehugger?

Posted by: patriot2

It’s Thursday. Time to thin out the Palestinian population. For all of their professed love and solidarity with the Palestinians they treat them like garbage in their own countries. Only non-arabs are expected to treat them with any respect.

Ps I don't know if the Iraqi threat is true, but it would not surprise me

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at March 30, 2006 11:54 AM

Patriot2-

http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Security&loid=8.0.279881456&par=0

IRAQ: SHIITE MILITIA TELL PALESTINIANS - LEAVE BAGHDAD OR DIE

Baghdad, 24 March (AKI) - Three hundred Palestinian families living in the al-Hurriya and al-Doura areas of Baghdad are reportedly close to fleeing their homes following escalating death threats from armed Shiite militias. According to the Iraqi information website Haqq, the latest threat arrived at dawn on Friday when a pamphlet was distributed in the zone warning "Palestinian cowards who collaborate with the Wahhabis, the Takfir (those outside Islam - often a euphemism for terrorists) and ex-Baathists loyal to Saddam, especially those living in al-Doura."

"We will eliminate them all unless they leave the area within ten days. This is the last warning," the leaflet reads.

Signed by "The Day of Judgement Brigades" the documents were distributed in the al-Doura neighbourhood which has for decades been the home of many Palestinian refugees.

The ultimatum from the group, apparently linked to the most extreme Shiite militias, follows an attempt to kill five Palestinians in the area on 8 March.

The daily threats confirm the predicament of Palestinian refugees in Iraq, some of whom have been there since 1948; they face ongoing threats from Shiites but despite the deteriorating security situation are unable to flee as no other Arab country is ready to accept them.

Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas has on various occasions intervened with the Iraqi president Jalal Talabani to protect the Palestinian community in the country.

Posted by: treehugger at March 30, 2006 12:01 PM

Actually, this article is only about Baghdad, although it sounds like Palestinians in other areas are also at risk.

Posted by: treehugger at March 30, 2006 12:03 PM

The isalmic nations in the ME have no sympathy for Palestinians. They do not make any attempt to offer them integration, immigration, and anything other than concentration camps to exist. They only mean to use Palestinians as a tool to kill Israalis. Otherwise, they are piles of human debris to them.

Posted by: yohannbiimu at March 30, 2006 12:20 PM

oh Naseem you still are in some stupor or dazed on some wacky paki weed? why would any sane person convert to islam? there are more muslims killing muslims than Bush could wish for! Israel will crush hammas when hammas has the balls for any attacks. my estimation hammas is good for another year or so, and the Israel will get Peace through Israeli Victory!

Posted by: Lulu at March 30, 2006 12:29 PM

I would love to present them such a nice present in honor of Eid.

Have been reading Ibn Warraq's "Why I am not a Muslim." Excellent book.

DesertdawgN29Palms

Posted by: DesertDawgN29 at March 30, 2006 12:53 PM

Carolyn2...
Great site!

Posted by: Siciliano at March 30, 2006 2:15 PM

What is amazing is that they want US money for this – Jihad in office!

Every opportunity - its questions like why punish the Palestinian people; i.e. fund the Hamas government.

I think they just don't get it. Hitler was also elected. It is what a government stands for.

What is so double standard about this is that those in the Middle East - or God's Jihad Land, expect the US and EU to come up with the money for their people.

On the one side they hate America and preach killing them and all infidels - but on the other side, there is this expectation of US help and intervention whenever they need it.

What is America to them - good or evil? I really don't think that they have decided or are willing to be honest about it. There are a lot of rich countries over there - living on $60 US a barrel, no one going hungry there. There is also a religious conviction which is akin to a racist supremacist ideology. To the Muslims of the Middle East no one is as human as they are, it must be a challenge, then, for them to look down on the very people, which they require help from.

These people arrogantly think that they are the only ones who can make afirmations; they they are the only ones who believe. And this is where they will fall short - underestimating the conviction and the will of the other side.

Posted by: Pass It On at March 30, 2006 2:29 PM

Pass it on,

The truth is that they just aren't intellectually honest. They know that they have to be nice otherwise the US won't give them any money, but their faith tells them that the US is evil because it is a nation of infedels. They are unwilling to accept that there is even a contradiction at all, because to do so would amount to blasphemy (which in Islamic countries most likely carries pretty stringent punishments).

One day they will wake up.

GothicBrit

Posted by: GothicBrit at March 30, 2006 2:41 PM

Pass it On - I agree when you say:

And this is where they will fall short - underestimating the conviction and the will of the other side.

I think it's been shown that totalitarian systems can't accurately gauge the strengths and weaknesses of their enemies or targets. The first victims of such systems are the people living under them. Both they and their leaders buy into the propoganda and at some point can no longer distinguish their reality from objective reality.

As in Nazi Germany - another example of a "This is the Truth" political system -- victims of the "End All - Be All Solution" will overestimate the enemies weakness and underestimate the enemy's strength. This divorce from reality will be the system's undoing if the Car al Islam overdrives its headlights and rushes into the night.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at March 30, 2006 2:42 PM

Hey Desert Dawg N 29 Palms;
In 1983, I was stationed there while in the Marine Corps. I loved it. I'm more than sure that it had changed tremendously since then. But I have very fond memories of 29 Palms. And Hoover Dam. One day, I'll get my chance to visit 29 Palms while on vacation or something.

Posted by: Ironman Hondo at March 30, 2006 2:50 PM

"It's not the economy, stupid....it's the religion!"

Posted by: yadayada at March 30, 2006 2:59 PM

Gothicbrit said:

"The truth is that they just aren't intellectually honest."

To be muslim is to be intellectually dishonest. It goes without saying. To deceive is to serve allah.

Posted by: yohannbiimu at March 30, 2006 3:52 PM

Allah Akbar , God be praised

This is the chant that you hear when Muslim Jihadists behead 3 indonesian School girls for going to school on a Muslim holiday (If you're a christian apparently you should observe this Holiday)

It is also the chant you hear on countless videos of IEDs being detonated against Iraqi Policemen

It is most enthusiastically chanted when beheading Western Hostages.

and it is chanted when Families commit honor Killings of their Daughters.

The Stonings, the Beheadings, The hangings, the dismemberments the oppresion and Prayers 5 times a day.
All for Allah as he is the path and his book the Koran is the constituion !

I am not suprised prayer is so frequent, it is definitely needed to pray for the souls which are damned by these atrocities.
But let us not forget Allah and Mohammed, the writers and instigators of these deeds, I suspect both are in hell (where they belong), and hopefully that is where their jihadist followers (those cowardly group murderous of thugs) will end up.

For the fools (mostly woman) who have converted to Islam and the fools yet to be swayed.

Read the Qu'ran and then burn it.....

Posted by: Peter at March 30, 2006 4:48 PM

Hey Hondo,

Not much has changed over the years in this part of the Golden State; lots of new building on the base, a supermarket on the highway into town...not much other than gritty tatoo parlours and barber shops.

Posted by: DesertDawgN29 at March 30, 2006 5:54 PM

Hamas means violence. Tehilla (psalm)27:12. "Deliver me not to the wishes of my tormentors, for there have arisen against me false witnesses who breathe violence." Al titneni b'nefesh oro, ki komu vi edei sheker, vifeach hamas.
***
These people are a sick branch, and sick branches either heal...or die.

I quote Gerald Honigman, who has done heavy research:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/article.php3?id=6130

'The parliament of the Palestinian Authority approved on March 28th the new Hamas government. After the vote, one of the PA legislators called out loud, "The Koran is our constitution, Mohammed is our prophet, jihad is our path and dying as martyrs for the sake of Allah is our biggest wish."

A few months earlier, Hamas leader Mahmoud A-Zahar gave an interview on Al-Manar TV. Among other things, he stated: "In this region we have faced Roman occupation, Persian occupation, Crusader occupation, British occupation - they are all gone. The Israeli enemy does not belong to the region. It does not belong to the region's history, geography or faith."...

Despite Arab distortions of the truth such as those spouted by Hamas, there is no doubt among objective scholars that the Jews of the region had an enormous impact on both Muhammad and the faith that he founded.

When the Jews refused to recognize Muhammad as the "Seal of the Prophets", he turned on them with a vengeance. Before long, with the exception of Yemen, there were virtually no Jews left on the Arabian peninsula. And the direction of prayer was changed away from Jerusalem and towards the Ka'aba in Mecca instead.

Some six centuries ago, Ibn Khaldun was one of the world's most important thinkers and is perhaps the greatest scholar the Islamic world has ever produced. He was also a Zionist.

In the Muqaddimah, he devoted much attention to the evolution of the Jewish nation, its early struggles, and its later fight for freedom from the Roman Empire and its consequences. He followed this with an analysis of the Jews' tragic condition of powerlessness throughout subsequent generations.

The Muqaddimah stressed that Jews were forced to wander in the desert for forty years due to their "meekness". Ibn Khaldun stated that this was necessary so that a new generation would arise with a new, more powerful 'asabiyah (group feeling). The Zionism that Arabs condemn today is just the prescription Ibn Khaldun was intimating. At a time when homicidal Arabs are demanding their 22nd state, a second one in the original 1920 borders of the Palestine Mandate (Jordan was created by the British in 1922 in some 80% of it), chances are more than good that this great Muslim scholar would have viewed the resurrection of Israel as an answer to the unique plight of the perpetually victimized, stateless Jews.

It's now baseball spring training here in Florida. So, regarding Hamas's assertions regarding the Jews' non-connection to the region, historically, geographically and religiously - it's one, two, three strikes and you're out.'

Posted by: HaMalach at March 30, 2006 5:55 PM

"But let us not forget Allah and Mohammed, the writers and instigators of these deeds, I suspect both are in hell (where they belong), and hopefully that is where their jihadist followers (those cowardly group murderous of thugs) will end up."
-Peter at March 30, 2006 04:48 PM

http://212.88.187.41/FTP/galerie/Dore/Dante/Dore%20Mohammed.jpg
One of Gustave Doré's illustrations for Dante's "Divine Comedy". That's Mad Mo in the center, tearing open his own chest.

Posted by: Eisenhund at March 30, 2006 5:59 PM

Ironman Hondo,
I am totally against name-calling. Not only because most of those names are derogative, but most importantly they distort the real thing. Ones I especially detest are “Islamofasists”, “Muzzies” and so on. When we call such names it implies that there are other Moslems, who are NOT “Islamofasisits”.
Personally, I do not object the name “infidels” used by Moslems to describe anybody, who is not of their faith. I do not mind to be one of the infidels. Jews also use name “Goyim” to say that the person is not of the Jewish faith.

I am not sure about “Israel won that land…”. Israel “won” 2 million hostile Arabs with the land and that is something I can not call a victory, at least not in a political sense. I remember, being a young boy, thousands of miles from Israel in June 1967, listening to the radio, after Israelis took Jerusalem, in total disbelief. Moshe Dyane was telling the arabs not to be afraid and not to leave the territories. I gave the Israelis the benefit of the doubt: may be they know better what to do with all those arabs. They did not. They still don’t. Israel continues to make one mistake after another and the time works for arabs, not Israelis. Hamas will not negotiate. Even Arafat, given much better chances for negotiation, did not do it. They are winning, why to negotiate?
For Israel to be concern with Hamas led parliament is funny. They already have those in the Knesset and don’t seem to care.
Those Israelis, who “did not vote” in the election do not understand that they DID vote.
I read 2 books by the late Meir Kahane and remember a slanderous campaign in Israel, leading to his expulsion from the Knesset. I did not share his views on Israel, but everything he wrote about Moslems is right. Many Israelis are starting to understand it now, many years after.
Efraim Sevela ones wrote that “the Jews are clever people, but if a Jew is stupid, no stupid from other nations can match his stupidity…” In years to come, the Israelis and the jews will have to pay a high price for it.

Posted by: pong at March 31, 2006 1:23 AM

pong-

It has always been incredible to me that a nation which wins a war (Israel, 1967) does not then take advantage of the victory and try to secure a stable peace. Even if it meant expelling millions of future jihadists from your midst.

Maybe more Jews need to read the Koran, and stop thinking that the lessons of their own realpolitik, learned from 1800 years of apartheid and pogroms, apply in this dilemma.

Islam doesn't have a "survivor" mentality, but a conqueror's. Would they have let the Jews live in the 'former-area-of-Israel-now-called-Arab-Palestine', had the Muslim armies won in 1967?

Would they have even let them live?

The Israel strategy has always baffled me. Failing to demand a coherent map -that would lead to a real solution to the Arab-Israeli land dispute- has left them with a permanent double-bind:

Fight for national integrity, but base that image of the nation on a mapmaker's folly.

The 'map' given by the U.N. for "Israel" and "Palestine" was doomed to cause endless conflict by its boundary configurations.

It looks more like two irregular amoebas caught in the process of partially-absorbing one another than the image of two modern nation-states that could coexist comfortably.

You can't built security on cartographic insanity.

And you can't win wars by ignoring such a fatally flawed premise.

Israel is caught in their own acceptance of the wrong foundation.

(I'm sure some Israeli scientists are working on an interstellar overdrive, so they may at least have an escape clause for their people when the Muslim populace inside the country hits 51%.)

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 31, 2006 2:30 AM

profitsbeard.
(I'm sure some Israeli scientists are working on an interstellar overdrive, so they may at least have an escape clause for their people when the Muslim populace inside the country hits 51%.)

Very growl. Good on you.

Actually, according to the figures from the last pole, they need only 25% to form a government.

Posted by: pong at March 31, 2006 3:25 AM

Eisenhund,

Dante's Divine comedy is certainly a great piece of literature and Gustave Doré's ilustrations come from a truly gifted French Artist.
Although Dante's work is fiction as is a large majority of written work based on religious pretexts, it is wonderful.

I include a map of Hell, just so those wanting to know what it is like, there are several levels (or cirlces) which pertain to your particular vice.

http://www.angelfire.com/ak/Nyquil/Dante/images/hell.jpg

And a quick Quiz for those wishing to know precisely where (if at all) they will "end up"

http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv

I took the test myself and will end up in level 2. (Cleopatra and Helen of Troy are in that part of hell for their indiscretions)
Lucky me !

As for the Jihadists, they are all going to heaven but with so many being eligble, surely there cannot be that many virgins left.
And what of the few female Jihadists, what on earth are they going to do with 90 virgins.
Stick them on the mantlepiece I presume.

Lucky for me its just Cleo and Helen.

Posted by: Peter at March 31, 2006 3:59 PM