Not so fast, Kowalski...

According to Arutz Sheva (Israel National News),

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=101203

23:11 Mar 30, '06 / 1 Nisan 5766

(IsraelNN.com) Police and military authorities continue to caution that despite reports, the facts surrounding the car explosion in the Kedumim area may be inaccurate, explaining that at present, there are no reports of Jews/Israelis missing, and therefore, the explosion that occurred about one hour ago may have been a terrorist bomb detonating prematurely, perhaps during transport, as was originally theorized.

In addition, police are speculating the charred bodies in the vehicle are those of Palestinian Authority (PA) residents or illegal laborers, not Israelis. The investigation continues at this time.

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Ah, those Arabs. Claiming victory every time, whether it's true or not.

Posted by: HaMalach at March 30, 2006 5:16 PM

'hello murdah, hello fatah'...

Posted by: Gary at March 30, 2006 5:16 PM

Absolute proof that appeasement does not work, that a 'truce' with them is taquiya, and that Israel must do what it has to do to protect itself.

Posted by: Lili at March 30, 2006 5:16 PM

Shocking you guys. I'm so sad about this... at first they weren't sure if only the Pali murderer was killed, or others as well, since the explosion was so intense that it was hard to identify bodies at first glance. GOD have mercy.
I'm also mad about the apparent victory of Kadima party (29 places in a Knesset {parliament} of 120 members - crazy isn't it? But the party with the highest number of places wins it).This party was run all through pre-election period by the MSM, almost entirely.

Immediately after the announcement of most but not final results, President Bush called to congratulate, Condi also said something about Kadima being the favorite.
This party claims that the "solution" to our country's problems is"disengagement" (retreat in another realistic term).

43% didn't vote at all out of despair of the corruption and dirty capitalism in a long period of almost seven year under Netanyahu and Sharon/Olmert. People are very angry mostly because a rapid deterioration in quality of life and massive unemployment, totally ignored by the media.

This isn't a very optimistic or patriotic view of things, but that's the honest truth.
In my opinion, most of us are fed-up with leaders capitalizing our country - and from the other hand government full of corruption that enables outside interest and international pressure to dictate Israel's policy, and thus succeeding in promoting endlessly the "Milton Friedman way" in the our tiny Holyland.

This contempt reaches such al level, the almost half of Israeli residents choose not to vote.

Posted by: Amit at March 30, 2006 5:33 PM

another thing I've just read in Ynet news is that the slimy excuse for a man was disguised as an Orthodox jew, boarding a ride with a young couple from near by Kfar-Saba (only a stone-throw from Tel-Aviv). in the car was also a young girl with the couple. They did'nt suspect him, he made a good job looking like the antithesis of himself.
GOD (Hashem) have mercy upon them all and bless their souls.

Posted by: Amit at March 30, 2006 5:42 PM

The difference between Islam and civilized peoples. Muslims say "Allahu Akbar" while killing, the other says "GOD (Hashem) have mercy upon them all and bless their souls." The difference is striking.

Posted by: Caratacus at March 30, 2006 6:15 PM

Amit, everything you say is accurate or close: I read 28 seats but they can't form a government without a coalition. So it's not such a victory. Also, the US does not dictate Israeli policy, although the US may try to.
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Amit, if these Jewish brothers and sisters had to go, they went doing a mitzvah. And who is to say what further carnage they prevented?

According to A7,

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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=101207

00:29 Mar 31, '06 / 2 Nisan 5766

(IsraelNN.com) According to statements being released by authorities, three Jews were murdered in the car explosion that occurred at approximately 21:45 Thursday night at the entrance to the community of Kedumim in Samaria.

It appears that a Fatah al-Aqsa Brigade terrorist, 24-year-old Hevron resident Mahmoud Masharka was dressed as a hareidi-religious Jew, prompting the Israeli motorist to stop to give him a ride.

It remains unclear if the terrorist was hoping to make his way into Green Line Israel, perhaps to a more heavily populated area, but the bomb he was carrying did detonate, killing the occupants of the vehicle.

Murdered in the attack was an elderly Kedumim couple along with a female, reportedly a resident of the center of the country. Unconfirmed reports state she was a national service volunteer in the area.

Posted by: HaMalach at March 30, 2006 6:16 PM

Kadima, This party claims that the "solution" to our country's problems is"disengagement" (retreat in another realistic term).
Posted by: Amit at March 30, 2006 05:33 PM
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Israel is allowing the MSN to dictate appeasement instead of Israel protecting Israel and its citizens.

What does appeasement beget?

Appeasement begets suicide bombers.
Appeasement begets loss of land.
Appeasement begets loss of identity.
Appeasement begets loss of nations.
Appeasement begets war.
Appeasement begets nukes from Iran.

Appeased into extinction.

Israel is nuked and Israel’s remaining military devastates the ME and WWIII starts.

Are all western governments going brain dead. Citizenship for illegal foreign criminal invaders in America. No prosecution of islam for terror across the globe.

God please awake our governments.

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at March 30, 2006 6:34 PM

Texican, your my kind of guy. I've been lurking for about 3 mnths. reading your and everyone's response to the Islamic world problem.

Do you think our US government is oblivious to what Islam really is, or do they know and they're afraid to admit it publicly for fear of how the US citizens might react? As in violence against muslims in the US?

Posted by: NC_patriot at March 30, 2006 6:58 PM

"Kadima, This party claims that the "solution" to our country's problems is"disengagement" (retreat in another realistic term)."

I understood that it's not retreat from all settlements, but only the smaller, less defensible ones. Isn't having clear, defensible borders the aim? Isn't that a good idea?

Posted by: Lili at March 30, 2006 7:12 PM

Do you think our US government is oblivious to what Islam really is, or do they know and they're afraid to admit it publicly for fear of how the US citizens might react? As in violence against muslims in the US?
Posted by: NC_patriot at March 30, 2006 06:58 PM
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Too many in our federal government refuse to see what isalm really is. I have discussed islam with many fellow Americans and I get these shocked looks and asked how crazy am I. My comments on islam also cost me a professional position. Prosperity American refuse to see and think anything bad can happen to them and America. 12,000,000 mexicans in America and carrying the mexican flag in protest in America. This hasn’t caused the average American to come to their senses.

For those in the federal government that do understand islam, they will never inform America of anything that is discovered.

There is a high probability that the American Federal Government has found nukes and radioactive materials in America in the possession of muslims. Our federal government will never inform Americans fearing that the backlash against muslims across America would start WWIII, so we will wait until the nukes go off in America to start WWIII.

Overall, there is not honesty or integrity remaining in our federal government.

Prepare, be armed be ready for WWIII is coming and will be fought by the common American in America..

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at March 30, 2006 7:14 PM

just wanted to say that Capitalim itself is not that bad, once it's implied in a huge country like the US, enjoying abundent resources and a vast land. Certainly not in a tiny Israel in middle of the Arabic middle east, with not-so-ritch population but a few, and few natural resources besides a relatively strong army force.
I also think that arab minorities (20%-30%) inside Israel are dragging the cart the wrong way with their way of life, so that everyone feels the need for a stabler economy with high paying jobs, secured rights, state pension and insurence, and generally less corporational tendencies.
I think that the combination between a softer form of a free market and s strong foriegn and state policy against terror, with no appeasment is what Israel deserves.
Hamalach - I still believe - always with Hashem, through hard and good times.

Posted by: Amit at March 30, 2006 7:47 PM

Lili,

re: "defensible borders the aim"

Let me be the first to recommend, that upon the evacuation of gringos from eastern Aztlan (Texas), the Red River as a defensible border of that part of the southern United States.

Yes, it is always a good idea to find defensible positions while in retreat. Of course, eventually no redoubt can withstand determined siege. At some point, the besieged must determine to fight to the death or surrender.

Unlike Israel, whose route of retreat must take it rapidly into the Mediterranean, the United States could slowly be pushed north across Canada and into Alaska, eventually halted by the North Pacific or Arctic Ocean. Obviously, with mild resistance, the process could take decades.

Posted by: allen at March 30, 2006 8:10 PM

Let me be the first to recommend, that upon the evacuation of gringos from eastern Aztlan (Texas), the Red River as a defensible border of that part of the southern United States.
Posted by: allen at March 30, 2006 08:10 PM
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Mexico can have Texas back after it kills millions of armed Texicans. The slaughter will be worse than the Mexico suffered at the Alamo and at San Jancinto.

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at March 30, 2006 8:46 PM

I don't look at defining the borders as appeasement.
I look at it as evolution. Survival. Make the borders and when the Palis attack, blow the crap out of them. It becomes an international act of war, and I'm pretty sure the West is completely sick of the Palis. The Hamas vote was the straw that even broke the anti-semites back.

Posted by: Bacon Eating Atheist Jew at March 30, 2006 8:49 PM

Correction: Only three (3) killed. The sui-bomber doesn't count. They never do.

Posted by: Havoc at March 30, 2006 8:56 PM

Texan,

I am with you, but we Texans may have to fight our own government as well, if the administration's cowardly surrender of sovreignty is indicative.

Bacon Eating Atheist Jew,

See Texan above.

Posted by: allen at March 30, 2006 9:37 PM

Texican,
I am with you, but we Texans may have to fight our own government as well, if the administration's cowardly surrender of sovereignty is indicative.
Bacon Eating Atheist Jew,
See Texican above.

Posted by: allen at March 30, 2006 9:43 PM

Amit,

Face it: The Jews are not like other nations. Economically, we made the desert bloom after 1948. Not only is that fact recorded in the Torah, but simply on logical grounds: why is it that no other national or group entity living in Eretz Yisrael after the Roman victory c 135 AD (and after) was able to make a sizeable economic dent, leaving a virtual wasteland for 1900 years, but the Jews after 1948 came in created a garden of agriculture and industry? Didn't everyone else have access to the same or even better technology and funding at various times?

Further, looks what the Jews have been able to do with their
"not much"--and I exempt the possible oil lands in the Negev which have been spoken of by some.
1)Multiple technological and medical inventions winning world renown
2)Doing R and D for IT companies like Intel--"the chip", Sun, and others--that's Research and Development--the heart and brains of IT technology.
3)A large wave of organic farming, which I expect would have garnered an even larger market if not for EU boycotts. That's lettuce, tomatoes, flowers, and so forth. In case you weren't aware, organic tomatoes are "gold". A big chunk of that was in Gaza.

Personally, my life and my brain never experienced such an elevation as when I dumped my childhood lessons in socialism and ran my own business. Sure, it's good to have some support from the community in bad situations, but having to make it on your own puts you in direct connection with Hashem. Ask any farmer, ask Moshe ben Maimon, ask any small business person.

We're not here to loll around, we're here to get our job done.

Shabbat shalom.

Posted by: HaMalach at March 30, 2006 9:47 PM

Bacon Eating Atheist Jew: "I'm pretty sure the West is completely sick of the Palis."

Well if that is in fact the case, then the west is clearly decades behind the rest of the Arab world. I read somewhere today that the Shia have given the Pali's in Baghdad several weeks to get the hell out of Dodge or else. The Kuwaiti's booted mucho Pali's out of Kuwait in the wake of Gulf I because the Pali's publicly supported Saddam. The Jordanians also booted a huge number of Pali's out. And never was there an outcry, let alone a peep, from the Muslim world who are so presumably deeply "wounded" (as they continue to so vocally remind us ) by the suffering of their dear Pali brothers. The truth is that the only people in the world who have ever displayed any GENUINE and sustained moral concern for the Pali's as human beings are the Israeli's themselves and that is because unlike the Pali's Muslim "brothers", the Israeli's are actually moral and ethical people. But after a while, even moral and ethical people come to the grim realization that it is immoral and unethical to continue to succor and feed evil, whatever its (invariably all too human) roots.

Posted by: Caroline at March 30, 2006 9:53 PM

I respect that many of us have strong opinions about America's immigration policy, and the open borders policy that has led to so much illegal immigration. However, this forum is about Jihad, and we should try to stay OT or close to it. Let's also remember, Latinos are 99% Christian. I have never heard of a Latino suicide bomber, there has been no terrorist violence aimed at retaking the southwestern states, Jews live in Mexico without serious problems as full citizens, and to top it all off we NEED all the allies against the global Jihad we can get. Islam threatens the freedom and dignity of all, including Latinos. The last thing we need is to alienate large groups of Americans, and there are millions and millions of patriotic Americans of Latino ancestry who we should be "ministering" to, rather than lumping them in with terrorists. Nothing would be more disastrous than Latinos in this country identifying with the global Jihad. They have no reason to, so let's not give them one, not that I believe they would do so.

I completely respect the viewpoint that allowing Mexicans to settle in the lands America conquered from Mexico is ill considered. The culture of Latin American is different from the mainstream culture here. However it is not as different as European culture is from Islam. Latino immigration fills a similar niche as Muslim immigration in Europe, but Latinos are not Muslims.

Posted by: Quijybo at March 31, 2006 12:53 AM

Rafi and Helena Halevy, Re'ut Feldman, and Shaked Lisker, may their names be blessed.

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Mahmoud Masharka, may his name be erased.

Posted by: HaMalach at March 31, 2006 1:13 AM

"I respect that many of us have strong opinions about America's immigration policy, and the open borders policy that has led to so much illegal immigration. However, this forum is about Jihad, and we should try to stay OT or close to it."
-Quijybo at March 31, 2006 12:53 AM

The issue of American border security is germaine to the topic of the global jihad. The number of illegal Latino immigrants in this country serves to highlight how easy it is to get into this country. Immigration is not the problem. Illegal entry is the problem. If 10-12 million Latinos can do it, how many Iranians, Yemenis, Egyptians, etc? How many does it take? Most people in this forum who bring up the problem of illegal immigration and undefended borders are not worried that there won't be enough dishwashing or lawnmowing jobs to go around. They're concerned about being knocked out of their bed at night by the blast wave from a nuclear bomb or some other such unpleasantness.

Posted by: Eisenhund at March 31, 2006 2:53 AM

Caratacus sez: The difference between Islam and civilized peoples. Muslims say "Allahu Akbar" while killing, the other says "GOD (Hashem) have mercy upon them all and bless their souls." The difference is striking.

It's nice that civilised people ask God (Hashem)to bless the person they are killing. At least a blessing is a blessing...Allahu Akbar is not a blessing. It means more than 'God is great, or greatest. It is also a battle cry used to pump up the emotions and adrenalin. It is invoking (not evoking) Allahs help to 'extend himself' and energize the warrior. Mohammad used this when going into battle. Was/is it useful? Probably, all battle crys are. Allahu Akbar, with the U is great for muslims, but wont do a thing for non-believers. You can go around shouting Allahu Akbar all day and the only thing you will get are complaints from the neighbors. Maybe a visit by the local police or a trip to the mental ward. But you wont get energized...not after the police get done with you anyway...You know how the police are...they always show up in a bad mood, it's not a good idea to try and cheer them up, or tickle them, and the last thing they want to hear is someone shouting Allahu Akbar...

Posted by: duh_swami at March 31, 2006 2:54 AM

"Mahmoud Masharka, may his name be erased."
-HaMalach at March 31, 2006 01:13 AM

Amen to that. How long before savages are dancing in the streets celebrating his "martyrdom"?

Posted by: Eisenhund at March 31, 2006 2:57 AM

Mahmoud Masharka, may his name be erased."

I would hope that Divine Providence has more in store for him than that...There are no 72 virgins, but there are 72 rings girdling the Earth and each has its hell. The so called martyrs are going to visit each and every one of them.

Eisenhund...The savages are dancing now...but, when you dance, you must pay the fiddler. It's about time they started paying...the fiddler's getting pzzed off...

Posted by: duh_swami at March 31, 2006 3:15 AM

I'm with you on that, duh_swami. Problem is, unless the fiddler has a revolver in his paw when he 'requests' payment, the barbarians will keep jigging and howling at the moon. Even worse is when, despite how upset he gets, the fiddler keeps on aplayin'. Time for the house lights to come up and the bouncers to break out the billy clubs.

For what my opionion's worth as an American discussing what is essentially an Israeli problem, tearing off the band-aid quickly is often the best way to do it. Israel is defending two borders, one external, one internal. Round up the Palis, screw their claims that its "their" land, and toss them out. The rest of the world will whine for a while, ah well. Do it now and get it over with.

As the bartenders often say, "We don't care where you go, but you can't stay here".

Posted by: Eisenhund at March 31, 2006 3:35 AM

They kill Israelis and they come from a near by refugee camp.....then they squeal like the pigs they are when the military moves into refugee camps..........and people are still buying this????

Posted by: marilyn at March 31, 2006 7:20 PM