As a canadian, I myself do not support bush as does many canadians, the canadians they have gone there are only their because their supperiors make them go, it is our gov't who does not listen to the people. there are many canadian's who have been stockpiling supplies in the case of an american invasion here TRUST me Canadians are not enemys, one thing people tend to forget is that we are offended when called an american, we are ashamed of our neighbours and if we had the military strength we would put a stop to usa. USA is a ticking time bomb, they are running low on resources, our dollar will soon be equal, something of which hasn't happened in my life time before. I don't think this war is about killing people, i see it more as a way to cause the usa to go bankrupt, islam should not see christianity as enemy's we are distant brothers. we share a forgotten history, as does palestine and isreal, two brothers who waged war upon one another and to this day their decendents have not settled their disagreement. there will be peace when usa falls. just remember canadians are not just one people we are many, we are from all differnt parts of the world. none of our decendents are born of this land

Posted by: n0xvirusx at April 11, 2006 5:08 AM

Having been here at JW/DW for quite a while now I know we have a lot of Canadian members who share our sentiments, they resolve to not let mooslems take over they're country so they come here to be educated and to voice concerns, they will stand tall in this and not cower to the threats made against them, after all that is what terrorism is all about...

No, our friends from Canada see the need here and will continue as long as needed because the fight is not only in the Middle-East but here on the homefronts as well.

Posted by: chuck at April 11, 2006 5:52 AM

A generation of Canadian politicians tried to kill the old Canada - the Canada that took Juno beach on D Day. But they've got a Conservative administration now, thank God.

Posted by: Yojimbo at April 11, 2006 6:05 AM

n0xvirusx, maybe we all should go back to where we came from. I think you may be from Uranus.

Posted by: JanuaryMan at April 11, 2006 6:39 AM

I am a Canadian, and I am not proud to say that we benefit immensly from sharing a border with America.

Some Canadians continue to believe that America has enemies because of what they do, and can't see that if America did nothing, they would still have people hating them. It is arrogant and dangerous to ignore the fact that there is a belief system out there that doesn't require America to act to be offended, they simply need to exist.

Moose

Posted by: Moose at April 11, 2006 7:01 AM

The "debate" was merely a "take note" one, which was sparsely attended. There was really no debating at all. Just tired blah, blah.

No one opposed the Canadian participation in the war on terror in Afghanistan.

The Taliban is wrong.

The new Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper said, when he stayed with the troops on the front lines, "Canadians don't cut and run".

Canadians don't cut and run.

We never, never have. We are true warriors. Don't let the leftists among us tell you otherwise.

The Taliban is actually getting decimated. It's only a matter of time for them to become so few in number and so weak that the Afghan gov't will be able to run its own country and maintain security against the Taliban.

I only hope they actually proceed to practice freedom, democracy, the rule of law and human rights once they're fully in control and don't revert to the Islamofascist tyranny they used to be.

I'll be watching them to see if they honor or dishonor their liberators.

Posted by: Canadian Sentinel at April 11, 2006 7:09 AM

And I condemn any Canadian who speaks ill of America, as real Americans condemn any American who speaks ill of America.

We stand united, shoulder-to-shoulder, Canada and America, brothers forever.

We fight the enemy with honor, with unrelenting determination and with victory.

Let's roll!

Posted by: Canadian Sentinel at April 11, 2006 7:12 AM

I suppose the proof will be in the pudding, so to say.

IF the talibs are able to mount a sustained offensive against Canadian forces, and IF they are able to inflict more than passing damage, then we can all see if the Canadian resolve exists.

Personally, I dont think the Canucks will offer many chances for the talibs, and will take care of business rather quickly. In the end though, the military is just a tool of the government, and if the Canadian government or the people themselves grow weary of the conflict, the troops will leave, no matter their battlefield successes.

Posted by: Dead Infidel Walking at April 11, 2006 7:15 AM

Consider the source: “senior taliban official” this is just enemy propaganda heavily spaced with wishful thinking. I have served alongside Canadian solders; they will do their jobs and do it well. I can’t believe any country that can produce such men wouldn’t support them. This is just a divide and conquer propaganda piece, I think the Canadian politicians are smart enough to realize when he claimed “they are prepared to attack Canadians “any one else, at any place and at any time.” It was wishful thinking. Old ubl makes similar claims all the time, where are the attacks? Let the debate show the taliban it didn’t work, I can’t wait for the next propaganda piece after the government supports its troops. 180 sucide bombers my (censored), it took you years of propaganda and all this fighting and now you finally get them? Where were they hiding at? I know muslim math, 180 = 1 (maybe). Here is my offical statement to the senior taliban spokesman "BITE ME".

Posted by: Ronin at April 11, 2006 7:59 AM

re: nOxvirusx
You say 'It's our gov't who does not listen to the people'. If I remember correctly, Canada was a democracy. Just because a section of leftist elites and Muslim immigrants are not familiar with this system, it is you who choose your government. As for those stockpiling supplies, did you not know you are self sufficient in food and energy. I trust most Canadians are not the enemy and that only Muslims (and leftists) are offended being called American. 'If we had the military strength we would put a stop to it'. How? I'm interested in what you have to say now. This war is not about killing people. killing people ia a consequence of war. Americans are under the impression that they are also the decendants of people from different parts of the world, unless you know otherwise. The only statement of yours I can agree with is 'We share a forgotten history'. Let us remember where Islam and Christianity parted company. You may conveniently want to forget. No not Uranus, there may be primitive forms of life there.

Posted by: western infidel at April 11, 2006 8:02 AM

The Muslim delusion. What is going to happen is that the more they murder and disrupt, the more any Westerner who is not insane (unfortunately, this thread starts with a prize example of illiterate insanity) will just shake his/her shoulders and say, "Well, I don't like going to war much, but I guess we have no choice." If only all our Muslim enemies were as violent and as outspoken as this twit, we would have no trouble in mobilizing public opinion; it is the softly softly catchee monkey option - significantly deployed by people like Tariq Ramadan, who know us well - that makes it difficult to unite the public behind resistance. But sooner or later, the mere force of facts will drive the majority throughout the West to accept intervention in Muslim countries.

If anyone wants to ask how this fits into the razor-thin victory of the left in the Italian election, the answer is simple: it almost saved Berlusconi. A month ago, Berlusconi was a political corpse. All reasonable Italians knew, and still know, that he was and is, as Hugh calls him, "a comical crook," a right-wing Italian Hugo Chavez, who broke all his promises, used government to protect his criminal self and his criminal friends, and pursue a crazy vendetta against the judiciary; in normal times, he would have been crushed. But millions of people who would have voted against him were horrified at the thought of vile dhimmi bastards such as Diliberto and half-baked PC maniacs such as Pecoraro Scanio in government, and voted for him as the lesser of two evils. Berlusconi's campaign was entirely about the evils of the Left - there were times when he seemed to have forgotten every word of Italian except for the proper name "Stalin", and by God, it worked. He almost won. By assaulting the left, he managed to gather votes where the insistence on the shimmering wonders of his administration had done nothing but give feed-lines to every comedian in the country. Hamza Piccardo's consultation with Diliberto and his order to Muslims to vote for Diliberto's party probably helped, too.

It does not pay to be pro-Muslim and PC in the West, and as time goes on, it will pay less and less. Even in Norway, Carl Hansen is at the gates of government; in Germany, Schroeder's anti-Americanism proved a broken reed. The high tide of dhimmitude and PCness was the victory of Zapatero in the Spanish elections - and it is my hope and belief that the tide is turning. In the future, even the left, if they want to win elections, will have to be careful not to sound too dhimmi or "concerned".

Posted by: Paolo at April 11, 2006 8:02 AM

n0xvirusx:

What a revealing screen ID you have chosen for yourself, and your appalling grammar, absurd analogies and silly conclusions complete the picture of someone with nothing worth saying.

What would have been the world's fate had your ilk been the prevailing Canadian voice in 1938-39, arguing that we had no place in the war against Nazism and Fascism? The Taliban and similar movements in other countries are more of the same poisonous totalitarian ideology, but with an Islamic face. The notion that the US is somehow the embodiment of all that is imperialistic and evil while ignoring stated Muslim ambitions to restore the Caliphate and establish Sharia law throughout shows just how blinkered and isolationist too many Canadians, younger ones in particular, have become.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at April 11, 2006 8:22 AM

TRUST me Canadians are not enemys, one thing people tend to forget is that we are offended when called an american, we are ashamed of our neighbours and if we had the military strength we would put a stop to usa. - noxvirus

But you dont. TRUST me your country will never do NOTHING, and it will be one of the first to go, cos unforunately people like you are the majority in Canada. You have no fighting spirit. Maybe its the french influence on your country.

Sorry to jump on the bashing bandwagon, buddy, but isnt there a growing number on Muslims immigrants in your country, who are starting to turn your once peaceful country into a gangland? Buddy? And that Muslim MP who has plans to turn Canada towards Shia Law? Buddy?

At least some of you have woken up. Take your country back.

Posted by: chu - doc at April 11, 2006 10:02 AM

there will be peace when usa falls.
Posted by: n0xvirusx at April 11, 2006 05:08 AM
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When hell frezes over. I will pray for you and your lost ways.

The Texican.

Posted by: Texican at April 11, 2006 10:04 AM

Canadian resolve weak ?

In one sense yes: we allowed in the draft dodger cowards in the Vietnam era, sort of the posturing flake ends of the fool Pierre Elliot Trudeau - we let these cowards in.

But that was then, and now is now.

The road ahead will be strewn mostly with dead Taliban.

Posted by: dgene at April 11, 2006 10:22 AM

Seems to me that n0xvirusx is gonna have a hard time convincing the jihadis that Canadians are not their enemies, considering how many of Mad Mo's followers have had their tickets punched by Canadian snipers in A-stan.

Posted by: Eisenhund at April 11, 2006 11:07 AM

You can tell by his broken English that n0xvirusx is an immigrant to Canada and like most immigrants to Canada has absolutely ZERO loyalty to Canada. He is likely a Moosilme and he is hoping to convince us that the leftists in Canada will want to cut and run ASAP. He is, naturally, right the leftists and anti-Americans in Canada (there are MANY) have no desire for war. In fact all they want is to see the Great Satan destroyed. They are proud that they have fallen in line with the Religion of Peace. A religion that promotes war, rape, pillage, and discrimination every thing they say they are against. It should come as no surprise that the leftist and anti-Americans in Canada behave this way they supported the Soviets against the Americans. What did you expect them to do? As a REAL Canadian I know that the resolve of most of Canada is non-existent. Sadly n0xvirusx is right but he is a symbol of what happens when you define your culture with anti-Americanism and open the flood-gates to immigration from all the nations of the world who are most hostile to the West. Canada is a country on life support and the prognosis does NOT look good.

Posted by: SnowDawg at April 11, 2006 1:15 PM

chu-doc wrote: "But you dont. TRUST me your country will never do NOTHING, and it will be one of the first to go, cos unforunately people like you are the majority in Canada. You have no fighting spirit. Maybe its the french influence on your country."

The majority are NOT like that.

Things changed for the better last January 23rd... with the election of the new Conservative government. Prime Minister Harper actually stayed on the front lines in Afghanistan, living with our warriors.

He swore that we will never cut and run. And just last night, the government declared we're going to be there for "years".

The appeasenik-pacifist left in Canada is dead for a good long time now. The people have awaken and more are awakening to the reality of the world.

I'm a Canadian and a hawk, second to none. Though I cannot myself serve, my brothers do. One was in GWI.

Many Americans, including warriors, visit my site regularly, including CENTCOM, who asked me to link to them, and I naturally obliged.

If you think we Canucks are still pinko pussies, you have plenty of education in the offing, my American friend.

My site is

http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com

For an introduction by an American patriot and fellow counterterrorism blogger, "CP", go here:

http://politicsofcp.blogspot.com/2006/03/canadians-can-be-proud.html

I'll tell y'all:

IT'S MORNING IN CANADA!

WE'RE BAAAACK!

Posted by: Canadian Sentinel at April 11, 2006 2:35 PM

nOxvirusx:

I’m guessing (or at least hoping) you are a Muslim immigrant to Canada. Canada is like a little brother to the US. Canada is family. We love you. We protect you. We know that you’ll mouth off to us and punch us on the arm until the bullies come and then you’ll run to us for protection. And when enough of you realize that the Jihadists are going to take away your Molsons, your Labatts, your French-Canadian girls and your hockey sticks, we kmow you’ll stand and fight like men for your family like you did in WWII. Just don't take too long as we are getting a little weary of you nipping at our heals while people are trying to kill us.

Posted by: DCM at April 11, 2006 4:11 PM

Thanks all for your support. I was surprised when this Trudeau-ite came on board. Unfortunately, he has not returne: typical Muslim tactic.

I have great respect for Americans and I want to become a citizen one day!!!

Posted by: Ibn Rushd at April 11, 2006 4:54 PM

Hi, DCM.

As for "nOxvirusx":

We normal folks up here (Conservatives and those who will be in time) are dealing with folks like the ominously (sounds like some kind of biological weapon, doesn't it?) named one. And we're winning. Following the defeat of the left on January 23rd, they have been self-destructing, carring on as if nothing changed. Still acting as if they own the country. They're like ghosts who don't know they're dead.

As our national anthem ends in "...We stand on guard for thee", that's exactly what I and many others are doing.

And, Patriot2, thanks for the welcome back... we've had a lot of that from American conservatives and hawks. It really makes our day! :-)

Posted by: Canadian Sentinel at April 11, 2006 4:56 PM

That idea worked in Spain. Not only did the Spanish leave the middle east, but the Islamic Terrorists actually toppled a government.

Posted by: Pelayo at April 11, 2006 7:01 PM

n0xvirusx got it wrong, there will be peace when Islam falls and, uh-oh its on its way! May Jesus have mercy on the Muslims.

Posted by: crusader619 at April 11, 2006 7:15 PM

"May Jesus have mercy on the Muslims"

Because no one else will when we are done with them.

Posted by: SnowDawg at April 11, 2006 7:29 PM

Politically incorrect as it may be, the fact of the matter is becoming increasingly clear: The more I find out about the Koran and the way the totalitarian Islamists are running the Islamic world, the more I see them as a "world" putting it all on the table in one big gamble and hoping their hand will be enough.

This is why it is imperative to take out Iran's ability to develop nuclear weapons. Of course they're doing it and of course they're going to use them against the Free World, unless we stop them first. As we should have stopped the Nazis and the Imperial Japanese, who nearly had nukes themselves.

I hope Bush is really preparing a serious strike plan against Iran. Otherwise...

Also I believe that their Axis Power Group allies, mainly China, which is clearly imperialistic in word and in deed, are waiting for the Islamic world to "pave the way" for them to execute their own plans for the world...

Posted by: Canadian Sentinel at April 11, 2006 7:33 PM

There are a lot of Canadians at this site, and in posting I add myself to the list. I'm not sure about that first poster nOvirusx...sounds like a troll trying to bait people...

Anyways, this 'debate' in parliament was not really a debate so much as an information session. The only party that is objecting to our troops' combat role is the NDP, a far-left party that has little influence on national policy. (Their views, however, are represented at a higher rate in certain academic departments as well as in the CBC). If the NDP had their way, we would now have Islamic personal and family law in Ontario, we would have pulled out of NATO, and our economy would collapse as they engaged in various experiments in social engineering.

As for the majority of Canadians, who just recently elected a Conservative government, as they learn more about the mission, and more about Islam, the percentage of support for the mission will increase. I support our troops 100%. Canadian resolve is not weak; we have some leftists just like in the U.K., U.S., etc., who oppose any military action, but they are not in the majority and will not decide policy in Afghanistan.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 11, 2006 8:19 PM

CanadianSentinel,

I will indeed check out your site.

Be sure to check out this site too http://www.islam-watch.org/

Posted by: Archimedes at April 11, 2006 8:24 PM

I hate to burst the bubble, but the leftist majority in Canada has no stomach for blood, and will be happy to jump ship when things get tough (remember, our new Conservative government is a minority government that will likely be brought down by a left-wing coalition within two years). This is a country that disbanded an entire military unit back in the early 1990s - FOREVER - because a few bad apples killed a Somali captive. This is a country that has obsessed for three years now over four friendly fire deaths in Afghanistan. Further, our current mission under NATO expires in February 2007 - just in time for the Liberal Party to get back on its feet and fight an election over Afganistan withdrawal.

Our current Conservative Prime Minister is a stalwart defender of the war, and truly understands the nature of the threat. Unfortunately, his views are not shared by the media, the intelligencia, or the opposition parties. Hopefully he will become a John Howard-type leader, and drive public opinion, before it's too late.

Posted by: Neil Toronto at April 11, 2006 11:35 PM

Neil Toronto:

Hate to burst YOUR bubble, but if the left was the majority, then we'd be suffering from socialist-appeasenik rule under Jack Layton's naked-moonbats-in-the-street rule.

Instead, the majority are quiet, low-profile conservatives. Which is why the Tories won.

To think that leftism is natural and therefore representative of the majority is incorrect. After all, poll by poll on the issues, when questions are asked clearly, demonstrate that the majority are actually conservative. Silent majority, naturally, but conservatives don't go around screeching in public like leftists.

The Liberals are so thoroughly disgraced and hated by the majority of Canadians, with the support of only about a quarter of Canadians while Tory support continues to rise, most recently above 40%. The Liberals have no leader, and there are no serious, acceptable candidates currently running or considering running.

The Liberal skeletons wrt the criminality and corruption will be coming out of the closet, about 37 criminal investigations are continuing into that former regime and campaign finance law changes, combined with their being over 30 mil in the red, ensure the Liberals are dead for a good long time now.

I'll be around to see what you, Neil, have to say when, in the next election, my people emerge with a strong, well-deserved majority gov't.

Who the hell cares what the MSM and the " intelligencia" and the opposition parties think?

What matters is what the people think and their democratic decisions. It's ultimately up to the population at large, not to the leftist establishment who only want to impose their dangerous dogmas on the world.

The left is frighteningly dangerous. I'm proud to be an anti-leftist warrior and will pulverize any leftist who tries to lie, cheat, demagoguerize, slander...

Neil Toronto, I strongly urge you to proceed to break free of the shackles of servitude placed upon you by the sinister, manipulative, evil left and learn to think for yourself rather than be told what to think, communist- and Islamofascist style. Save yourself. Be free!

Posted by: Canadian Sentinel at April 13, 2006 4:18 AM