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Note that Ahmadinejad also calls the West to "return to monotheism and worshipping god." This is the call to accept Islam that precedes jihad, in accord with the Muslim Prophet Muhammad's dictum to call the unbelievers first to accept Islam, and to fight them if they refuse (Sahih Muslim 4294). 1938 Alert: "Iran’s Ahmadinejad: West will burn in nations’ fury," from Iran Focus, with thanks to Mackie:
Tehran, Iran, Apr. 12 – Iran’s radical President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in a fiery sermon demanded that “Iran’s enemies”, or the West, bow down before Iran and apologize for having held back Tehran’s nuclear program for three years. He also warned the West that it would “burn” in the “fire of the nations’ fury”.“Those who insulted the Iranian nation and set back Iran’s movement for progress for several years must apologise”, Ahmadinejad said at a rally in the eastern town of Rashtkhar. His comments were aired on state television and carried by the official news agency.
“You must bow down to the greatness of the Iranian nation”, he said, addressing the West.
He added that if the United States continued to seek to use “bullying” tactics then “every nation of the world” would chant “Death to America” and “Death to Israel”.
“If you do not return to monotheism and worshipping god and refuse to accept justice then you will burn in the fire of the nations’ fury”, Ahmadinejad said.
Posted by Robert at April 12, 2006 2:09 PM
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Islam is a pagan totalitarian cult. Islam = Mohammedanism = Mohamed worship.
They can cry "God is greatest" all day long but they sure aren't talking about Islam.
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at April 12, 2006 2:16 PM
This is extremely laughable. This rat must have been told by the Russians and Chinese that they would protect Iran against the US or something.
at April 12, 2006 2:31 PM
Now that Sharon is officially out of the picture I think it's time to watch what Israel does. Their military intelligence is not to be messed with as they would be in the first strike zone....then watch the fire fly....or the mushroom clouds over Tehran.
Posted by: Siciliano at April 12, 2006 2:33 PM
You must bow down to the greatness of the Iranian nation.
--- President Mahmoud
Man, you gotta lay off on this Koran bullcrap. And go have your blood pressure checked. And could you please shave?
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 12, 2006 2:34 PM
The ONLY thing that Islam understands is violence so it's time to show em some.
Posted by: Siciliano at April 12, 2006 2:35 PM
Does anyone notice that Mahmoud has a striking resemblance to Ringo from the Beatles?
Posted by: Siciliano at April 12, 2006 2:36 PM
O.T.
Another mosque-bombing in Iraq:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4904650.stm
Religion of Peace™, my foot.
Posted by: Yojimbo at April 12, 2006 2:36 PM
But Mahmoud, I do worship God, the one true God (OTG), and his name is not Allah.
You should shut up and do the same, before the one true God (OTG) turns you and your heathen friends into a smoldering mass of black carbon.
If we don't do it first.........
Posted by: stephen lodahl
at April 12, 2006 2:37 PM
OMG! Is this for real.? Dont we have an obligation to just assassinate this guy? He really will be the culprit for the beginning of WWIII.
Hitler has been reborn and he's declared war before entering Poland.
at April 12, 2006 2:39 PM
"This is the call to accept Islam that precedes jihad, in accord with the Muslim Prophet Muhammad's dictum to call the unbelievers first to accept Islam, and to fight them if they refuse (Sahih Muslim 4294)."
Yes. There is an apocalyptic agenda here. We are busily drawing up 'sanctions' and reprimands and tut tut tuts.
They are ritualistically preparing themselves to destroy the world as we know it.
Posted by: poetcomic1 at April 12, 2006 2:41 PM
APF-- Ahmadinejad has never shaved. He's been working on that beard since he was 12. ;)
As for "you must bow down to the greatness of the Iranian nation," he sounds like Beavis on a sugar/caffiene binge.
Posted by: Shinoliite at April 12, 2006 2:42 PM
Caffeine, that is. (Ouch, that's like misspelling my own name!)
Posted by: Shinoliite at April 12, 2006 2:43 PM
Shinolite, I think he sounds more like Butthead.
Posted by: freewoman at April 12, 2006 2:44 PM
Hey Siciliano, That reminds me. I don't think I've ever seen Pres. Pyooptypants and Ringo in the same room, have you? Hmmmmmmm
Posted by: MontJoie at April 12, 2006 2:44 PM
Now if Bush said anything like that there would be protests from the right and left all over the country... Lets see what the Iranian people do...
Posted by: Avatar at April 12, 2006 2:45 PM
Meanwhile, the repulsive Simon Jenkins is telling Grauniad-readers that the US is a bigger threat that Iran:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1752059,00.html
And I'm quite sure that many Grauniad-readers will be ignorant and malicious enough to read his poison with eagerness and enjoyment.
The Germans have been fed so many lies by their media stooges for so long that it seems they are beginning to believe them. According to LGF, "A new poll shows that 45% of Germans believe the US is a greater threat to world peace than Iran":
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=20069_Germans-_US_a_Greater_Threat_Than_Iran#comments
Posted by: Yojimbo at April 12, 2006 2:46 PM
I bow down to Iranian greatness every time I sit on the porcelene chair in the "head" to releave myself of unwanted waste byproduct or "feces!"
Posted by: Ironman Hondo at April 12, 2006 2:50 PM
Just gone up at LGF - the flight 93 transcript:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pdf/flight93transcript.pdf
Posted by: Yojimbo at April 12, 2006 2:51 PM
President Mahmoud is living his dream. He needs to crawl into that cave in the side of the ugly Mt. Hirat and confer with the Archangel Gabriel on these mass murder plans being developedd.
I'm told that Gabe is old-school. He may not like this A-bomb thing.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 12, 2006 2:54 PM
Montjoie...I think Jay Leno should do a comparison picture. The heading can read
Islam's Lonely Hearts Club Jihad.
at April 12, 2006 2:59 PM
Ahmadinejad, I am celebrating like all catholics around the world, the Holy Week, and I am worshipping the unique God that had died for our sins.
If you knew what is Christ, but many times it´s more comfortable not knowing the truth.
In addition in your country there are prostitution and drugs, Iran is having problems. And you aren´r doing nothing.
Poor soul, without knowing the truth!
at April 12, 2006 2:59 PM
Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad needs to tone down his retohric we never know when he really means what he says...l rather like the approach of an old US president.. speak softly and carry a big stick.
Mahmoud and his mullahs really need this big stick now!
at April 12, 2006 3:04 PM
l rather like the approach of an old US president.. speak softly and carry a big stick.
The time for speaking softly has long past. Its time to talk very loudly and carry an even bigger stick.
at April 12, 2006 3:09 PM
You must bow down to the greatness of the Iranian nation.
I thought Islam didn't do nations, but was one global Ummah.
Iran means "land of the Aryans", so "Iranian nation" means "Aryan nation". Probably just coincidence.
at April 12, 2006 3:14 PM
Yojimbo,
Read that article, let me quote his last paragraph....
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"One country in the region that has retained some political pluralism is Iran. It has shown bursts of democratic activity and, importantly, has experienced internal regime change. If ever there was a nation not to drive to the extreme it is Iran. If ever there was a powerful state to reassure and befriend rather than abuse and threaten, it is Iran. If ever there was a regime not to goad into seeking nuclear weapons it is Iran. Yet that is precisely what British and American policy is doing. It is completely nuts."
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WOW, the logic is so completely retarded, there's no other way to put it. A country with a president who wants to wipe Israel off the map and wants the western world to bow before him. Now who does that remind me of....oh yeah, Hitler!
Posted by: Erik at April 12, 2006 3:16 PM
Why, is the US bowing a pre-requisite for Mahdi's re-appearance?
Mahmoud will go down as the greatest Iranian leader ever - no one, not Khomenei, not Khamenei, not Rafsanjani, not Shah Abbas II - ever thought of, let alone manage, getting Mahdi to re-appear.
A nuke down that well in Qum should smoke him out.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 12, 2006 3:21 PM
Eric,
I think "completely retarded" just about sums Simon Jenkins up.
As for Ahmedinnerjacket's "Bow down and worship me" nonsense - words fail.
I wonder if he's still seeing bright lights surrounding him when he gives speeches.
According to a reference work I have
Altered states of consciousness may be induced by a number of means:
- ingestion of psychotropic substances,
- hypnogogia,
- near-death experiences,
- intense, rhythmic dancing,
- auditory-driving (e.g., chanting, clapping, drumming),
- electrical stimulation,
- flickering light,
- fatigue,
- hunger,
- sensory deprivation,
- extreme pain,
- intense concentration (meditation),
- migraine,
- temporal lobe epilepsy,
- schizophrenia and other pathological conditions.
I suppose we must now add to the list "hysteria induced by giving a speech to the UN while under the influence of supremacist religio-political cult".
at April 12, 2006 3:37 PM
He seems to be in a hurry to get himself into a war. Maybe it would be wise to do not give him that honour. Just to see what would happen if we ignore his nonsense for aprox. 2 years.
Posted by: DrWolffenstein at April 12, 2006 3:54 PM
DrWolffenstein:
If there are parties who shouldn't be ignoring Mad Ahmadinejad's activities, it ain't Israel or the West, but rather Iran's citizens and immediate neighbours around the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman. Amir Taheri notes that the nuclear facilities are being built or re-built in some cases on top of fault lines, and probably poorly designed and shoddily constructed. Neither have nuclear waste issues been addressed.
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19431
Posted by: waterdragon52 at April 12, 2006 4:02 PM
One country in the region that has retained some political pluralism is Iran. It has shown bursts of democratic activity and...
This recalls when FDR's cousin working for the CIA --- and, thereby, working for BP and Standard Oil of Indiana --- pulled a coup d'etat and got Mossadegh overthrown. 1952, I think.
One short breath of Moslem democracy, smothered by a couple of oil companies.
MO PRESIDENT MAHMOUDS MO KORANS HADITHS BREED RATE MO PERSIANS MO
This was way back when CIA employees were still loyal to the United States of American and its Constitution, of course.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 12, 2006 4:07 PM
The combined airforces of every Western Country should destroy all Iranian Forces, and Oil Infrastructure.
Take our both weapons and income.
First strike should take out radar
Then take out AA
Then take out Nuclear Sites
After that take out ground forces
After that take out Oil Fields
Lets see how Iran likes the dissapearance of it's oil and weapons, without which China and Russia will no longer care for them.
Posted by: NicephorusPhocas at April 12, 2006 4:08 PM
Right now Iran is hosting many top al qaeda figures. If they got a nuke, they could pass it off to Zarqawi, and let him wipe out the green zone. When the Shuria Council takes credit, and releases the video of the attack, the MSM will swallow it hook, line, and sinker. Then it would be impossible to deal with Iran, because the MSM and the masses would be under the impression it was al qaeda, not to mention all the lost soldiers and civilians. But hopefully it won't come to that.
Posted by: crusader619 at April 12, 2006 4:16 PM
Yojimbo--LGF transcript--10:03:07--Sounds as if they finally answered a question correctly. Gruesome.
Posted by: bobalharb at April 12, 2006 4:17 PM
This guy really believes that his allah is greater than God. While I will never bow to allah, it wouldn't surprise me for our government to make some kind of simpering dhimmi move.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 12, 2006 4:25 PM
Ahmadinejad is the one who's hell-bent on going to war, and now he wants an apology....ha ha ha! I think Bush should place a handwritten apology on the tip of a bunker-buster and send it to Ahmad's front door - TODAY!
Posted by: champ at April 12, 2006 4:30 PM
"You must bow down to the greatness of the Iranian nation"
I think President Ahmadinejad has recently been to visit the local VideoStore and rented Superman II.
This quote from his speech sounds very much like the departing words General Zod, gave to Superman's Dad.
However, General Zod was dressed all in black plus German style army boots.
Ahmadinejad, just doesn't have the same effect especially when he dressed like Steve Martin.
Posted by: Peter
at April 12, 2006 4:34 PM
Ahmadinejad is Iran's "disco inferno"
at April 12, 2006 4:46 PM
Assalamau Laikum all,
America will soon be on the "last dice throw".
WIth over 4 billion a month on Iraq (with no end in sight) your dollars spent on Iraqi childrens who will always be muslim.
If America does attack Iran this will be the last throw. Fighting on many fronts America will become bankrupt and in the pockets of the Chinese and Saudi.
The Chinese particularly waiting to fill in your shoes.
If you are gonna attack ....don't pussyfoot around and make it short & decisive...or don't bother.
Posted by: Naseem at April 12, 2006 4:47 PM
Interesting data points to share with threat "unbeleivers":
* The US began Uranium Enrichment in Sept 1944. Once up and running, the facility manufactured 100 grams per day of "10% Enriched Uranium".
* November of 1944: processing began on the next phase, which brought the 10% enrichment to the weapons-grade 90%.
* July 1945 - The first atomic weapon was ready for testing. It worked. End to end time? Less than two years.
So, Iran formally announced they have begun the "10% enrichment" phase, using 100 tonnes of UraniumHexaflouride through 164 centrifuges.
About 1/1,000,000th of the uranium could result in bomb-grade material. That could yeild 400kg weapons-grade Uranium. Only 20kg is required for a Hiroshima/Nagaski level weapon.
The US enrichment design was low-efficiency, with a high number of stages - several thousands. The Iranian design has significantly higher efficiency. And today, Iran annouced it will move to a 3,000 centrifuge process.
Chronology of atomic development:
http://www.ask.ne.jp/~hankaku/english/np5y.html
-MikeMontana@Hotmail.com
Posted by: MikeMontana at April 12, 2006 4:57 PM
Naseem surely doesn't comprehend the power of ONE of a dozen Trident Class subs....Just program in the coordinates and shroom away.
Posted by: Siciliano at April 12, 2006 4:57 PM
"You must bow down to the greatness of the Iranian nation”, Ahmadinejad said.
Well Mr. Nutbar, I agree. I just looked to the west, dropped my pants, and farted in your general direction. Now you must inhale.
Posted by: johnb at April 12, 2006 5:08 PM
Let us not forget in our fury that the Iranians are not doing the talking here, but it is their tainted-by-Islamofascist-madness leaders that are.
I know that Iran has a huge population of people that are truly trying to shake off the yoke of Islam and Arab influence and return Persia to greatness. They can do it with our military support and I'm confident that this means will manifest relatively soon. I have said so for several years now and this is just the time for us to be patient and watch.
It's inevitable at this point. The Iranian Islamists MUST be removed and removed forcibly.
Unlike Iraq, the Persians WILL genuinely welcome us. The Iranian Hostage Crisis was nothing more than a smokescreen to bring the world into the incorrect collective thought that Iranians hate America. This has never been the case, but the lie was manufactured so well by the Islamists when they regained power that they have yet to be ousted. They have stayed in power by force and terror for a couple of decades, but the writing is on the wall.
Send in the Marines.
Posted by: Foehammer at April 12, 2006 5:30 PM
Foehammer...
Well said. Before this psycho took charge of Iran the younger class in Iran loved Western culture. The internet, which now is controlled, they love Rock music which is all underground now and many more facets to the Western world.
The older Iranians were more tolerant. As you said it's the Powers in charge that need exterminating.
at April 12, 2006 5:41 PM
naseem is the true product of the muslim mental deficiency. I know that unfortunately she won't reply to me because her style is to spew her bullshits and go in hide.
But in case she drops by and read this, let's suppose "white america" or simply the whites disappear, do you think the chinese will be kind to muslims?
I sincerely think they (chinese) have the numbers, power, will, strenght, reasons to wipe the religion of **** of the planet once for all.
People in china are less inclined to dhimmitude and are already getting really fed up with the few muslims they have there. Plus, they don't have any stupid politically correct standard to set themselves at.
Therefore, I wouldn't wish the USA to be wiped off the earth, because life with Chineses won't be that easy for the followes of the madman.
Posted by: poisonr at April 12, 2006 5:50 PM
"Unlike Iraq, the Persians WILL genuinely welcome us. "
you should know better than there's no better liar than a muslim and that muslim have no gratitude.
Posted by: poisonr at April 12, 2006 5:51 PM
Naseem!
"Assalamau Laikum" means "Peace be with you"
Your greeting was so warm and friendly, but the content of your post was so cold and hostile. Do you know what "cloak and dagger" means sweetheart? No? Well I just described YOU!
Peace to you while I watch your ass get kicked....ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!
Posted by: champ at April 12, 2006 5:53 PM
It's funny to see that some of you respond to Mr. Ahmadinejad's religiously motivated political rhetoric with more religiously motivated rhetoric, just from another country, culture and religion.
Would it impress you if a Muslim would say Allah will punish you and cast you into hell? Of course not, because Allah does not exist. The same reasoning is applied by the Muslim who is told that God (the one perceived by Christians, for instance) will support the Christians in this conflict.
Since any human (or computer program) can invent Gods, religions and holy scriptures, all of which (along with the already known religions) will have to be rejected by a monotheist to remain a monotheist, the God of choice, reduces to an incredibly specific permutation of God-properties. With so many recipes for God, the chance of worshipping the 'correct' one is infinitesimal.
Conclusio: A monotheist is an atheist to all Gods but one and the theism of choice is an entirely arbitrary choice that can never be justified, except by cultural, demographic and geographic aspects.
Posted by: mr_atheist at April 12, 2006 5:54 PM
The Iranians will bow down to the greatness of American economic boycotts and sanctions, after ramen noodles and soft drinks become expensive delicacies. But it hurts to see that the ones who will suffer and be punished are the innocent Persians, instead of the Islam-o-fascists.
Posted by: billybob at April 12, 2006 5:55 PM
Poisionr Assalamau-Laikum,
I am no fan of the Iranians or the chinese for that matter.
I am not defending that lund ...the Iranian president. I simply said that IF you go to war with Iran ...it must be decisive ...in effect I am on your side for this one.
However, if it is not decisive...too many fronts...too much expenditure ...not enough soldiers etc... and America will sink.
I don't want America to sink ...I want the birth of Islam in the West to be in America....as this is where I think the Califat will be born.
By beating Iran...America will then go through a period of wooing Islam & muslims...and this is where I think there will ba a hugh influx of muslims into America...eventually leading to the formation of the ISA (islamic states of America).
There will also be a natural formation of Eurabia along similar lines.
From this position I think the Chinese will not be a muach of a threat to Islam.
Peace & Jilbabs to your female friends & daughters.
Posted by: Naseem at April 12, 2006 6:07 PM
Champ...I though you were supposed to be my friend...womens talk ...jilbabs n all...it'll be a blast.
Posted by: Naseem at April 12, 2006 6:13 PM
Patriot2 ...you cain't be the califat...you cain't spell for sh**. ....ha ha ha
Posted by: Naseem at April 12, 2006 6:19 PM
Nasseemo says..
I don't want America to sink ...I want the birth of Islam in the West to be in America....as this is where I think the Califat will be born.
By beating Iran...America will then go through a period of wooing Islam & muslims...and this is where I think there will ba a hugh influx of muslims into America...eventually leading to the formation of the ISA (islamic states of America).
Ever try stand up comedy? Won't EVER happen hun.. What do you look like sweetie? If you look like that singer that had her life threatened come on over and have an ice tea...
Posted by: Siciliano at April 12, 2006 6:25 PM
For that matter make it a few Long Island Ice Teas, then maybe a belly dance?
Posted by: Siciliano at April 12, 2006 6:29 PM
"Unlike Iraq, the Persians WILL genuinely welcome us. The Iranian Hostage Crisis was nothing more than a smokescreen to bring the world into the incorrect collective thought that Iranians hate America. This has never been the case, but the lie was manufactured so well by the Islamists when they regained power that they have yet to be ousted. They have stayed in power by force and terror for a couple of decades, but the writing is on the wall."
"Before this psycho took charge of Iran the younger class in Iran loved Western culture. The internet, which now is controlled, they love Rock music which is all underground now and many more facets to the Western world.
The older Iranians were more tolerant. As you said it's the Powers in charge that need exterminating."
Don't be so sure....this is what we thought about Iraq too. But we have not seen Iraqis willing to bleed and die enough for their own freedom, as our Marines have.
And we may not have the time to be patient with Iran. Ahmadinejad’s words are more than just saber-rattling, and we must accept the reality that Iran will probably sponsor or carry out a nuclear attack against the West as soon as (1) they have the capability, and (2) the time and place suits them. No one with a working brain believes they are pursuing peaceful purposes.
Islam in its current dominant form is a scourge on this planet, and a danger to human civilization as a whole. Humanity will not progress much farther unless Islam is either reformed to the point where it can coexist with the other religions and cultures of the 21st century, or eradicated. That’s the bottom line few are willing to face, and so we have not been willing to give the present worldwide Islamic leadership this ultimatum.
I worry that the West will not grasp this until we are all watching a live CNN feed of some distant, smoking, radioactive crater where a lot of Americans used to live.
I believe the situation has become serious enough that we should issue the ultimatum before this happens. And Iran would be a timely threat to eradicate preemptively as a message to the rest of the Islamic world that they need to reform ...grow up and become global citizens or perish.
Perhaps then we might know just how devoted to being free those internet-using, rock-music-loving, Iranian youth really are.
Of course,we’d have to be willing to follow through on it (or help the Israelis to) and make Iran uninhabitable for a decade or so. I don’t see that kind of resolve, unfortunately.
at April 12, 2006 7:00 PM
From a posting above:
"...I know that Iran has a huge population of people that are truly trying to shake off the yoke of Islam and Arab influence and return Persia to greatness..."
We don't know that.
We'll find out when we bomb them...
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 12, 2006 7:03 PM
"bow down before Iran and apologize for having held back Tehran’s nuclear program for three years."
In case anyone here has been buried under a rock, in the Islamic lexicon, the "apology" is the confession before the execution.
"If you are gonna attack ....don't pussyfoot around and make it short & decisive...or don't bother."
WoW!! I finally agree with the Naseem commitee!!
Posted by: bannedfromgoodblogs at April 12, 2006 7:21 PM
From this position I think the Chinese will not be a muach of a threat to Islam.
Peace & Jilbabs to your female friends & daughters.
Posted by: Naseem [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 12, 2006 06:07 PM
oh Naseem your ignorance of the outside world is showing again! you might be cowed into submission to this allah who takes little girls,but the West and China will never bow down to your submissive cult! We dont have Europe's problem.. our immigrants are mostly Catholic Spanish speaking people and their Spanish ancestors sent your muslim invaders packing. China if anything will never tolerate muslims taking hold of anypart of China. you see Christianity is most powerful as it does convey true path toward God. Christians do not need to blow up their children, but move through peaceful conversions. in your children's time the Cross of the Crusador will be part of your landscape, as it is written in the Holy Bible! May Jesus take pity on your soul when you meet.
at April 12, 2006 7:27 PM
I got the solution: Condi should throw another one of those shindigs over at State where she brandishes the Noble Koran from the poidum, and thentearfully praises Islam and its greatness. But, this time, invite President Mahmoud and a whole bunch of Shiite friends she's made over the last several years.
After President Mahmoud's 4th vodka, slip him a Quaalude and get him laid. He'll be calm for at least 6 months guaranteed.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 12, 2006 7:32 PM
Iran’s radical President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in a fiery sermon demanded that “Iran’s enemies”, or the West, bow down before Iran and apologize for having held back Tehran’s nuclear program for three years.
"Hmmmmm...." as Jack Benny said to the hold man who demanded his money or his life, "....I thinking! I'm thinking."
at April 12, 2006 7:46 PM
"...I want the birth of Islam in the West to be in America....as this is where I think the Califat will be born."
Since you're half the intellect of a man (don't doubt me sweetie - it's in your Qur'an so submit to my misogynistic maleness b*tch) - I'll excuse you for your Islamic female ignorance.
What if your god is proven scientifically false Naseem? What then? Do you really think the world will follow a hoax named "allah" if proven false?
The Kalam argument has already been defeated but not one cowardly Mullah, Imam or Islamic scholar is willing to see the proof...most likely since that would destroy their fantasy that Islam is real.
Likewise if the missiles fly and hundreds of millions burn - why in the world would you ever want to pray to a mythological god who would allow such a thing?
I bet you'll still be stuck in stupid mode and say it was "allahs" will after a nuclear genocide.
I'm so glad you post here Naseem - you're a perfect case study in sheep herding (brainwashing)....oh wait a second, in Islam - you ARE livestock.
Posted by: Quantum Infidel at April 12, 2006 8:00 PM
Naseem sez: If America does attack Iran this will be the last throw. Fighting on many fronts America will become bankrupt and in the pockets of the Chinese and Saudi.
Listen carefully Naseem...The national wealth of America is due to the creativeness and energy of the American people. The American people are industrious and always have been. It's sometimes called 'American knowhow'...It's possible for America to run low on cash but never 'knowhow'.
America knows how to deal with any upstarts, Islamic or not.
The National wealth of Islamic countrys is either non existant because of low or no 'knowhow' or is produced by one main product...oil. Without that the majority of muslims would be living in tents and dirt hovels.
Beating Iran could be relativly cheap...maybe free...America is not in the pocket of the Chinese but may very well be in a Saudi pocket.
As soon as enough people understand that, it will stop. American 'knowhow', Naseem...not even Allah can prevail against it...certainly not Iran...
at April 12, 2006 8:01 PM
Quantum...That my friend was a classic post.
at April 12, 2006 8:15 PM
Naseem!
Even 'friends' point out glaring contradictions and hypocrisies. I'm just amazed that you can say, "Peace be with you" one moment, and then spew the contents of hell the next.
Jilbabs? Huh? Isn't that an outter garment? I DON'T GET IT!!
at April 12, 2006 8:26 PM
The national wealth of America is due to the creativeness and energy of the American people.
Translation: due to the creativeness and energy of Christians and Jews and Confucians and Hindus and agnostics and atheists. I'll even throw in your odd animist pagan. But no Moslems.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 12, 2006 8:34 PM
Raving in need of a shaving.
Let the psy-ops begin.
Posted by: profitsbeard at April 12, 2006 8:47 PM
Ahmadinejad to U.S.: “You must bow down to the greatness of the Iranian nation”
http://www.netgeist.com/media/wessellied2.mp3
at April 12, 2006 8:54 PM
P.S. Ibraham Hooper is on the drums and the vocal is CAIR....
Posted by: Frank at April 12, 2006 8:58 PM
Raving in need of a shaving.
Don't play into their hands, Beard. They like the shaving thing:
Khubaib borrowed a razor from one of the daughters of Al-Harith to shave his pubic hair. She gave it to him. She said later on, "I was heedless of a little baby of mine, who moved towards Khubaib, and when it reached him, he put it on his thigh.
--- Bukhari Vol5:Book59:No412 hadith reorted by Abu Huraira
at April 12, 2006 8:59 PM
Alas there is NO Iranian 'nation'. Only 70 million or so mostly unwilling members of the ummah. Islamic ideology is contrary to the concept of sovereignty.
So solly, Muslim men not jolly.
Posted by: pythagoras at April 12, 2006 9:06 PM
Several people have responded that we should only expect the same as we have gotten in Iraq if we aid the Persians (Iranians) in overthrowing their Islamic government.
Let me point out that on my blog you will find more than a couple of links to Iranian websites that are run by dissidents. These links have been there for two years. Feel free to go witness for yourself:
Iranians are not 100% Muslim. In fact, many of them are purely secular. They also, if you meet them in person, tend to prefer to call themselves Persians. There is and has been a growing movement to return to the roots of Iran, and tossing away the changes that have come along as a result of Islamic influence is typified by this want to return to the historic name of their nation.
Part of this rebellious nature also stems from the fact that Persians are a completely different ethnic group from the Arabs that predominate as Muslims of the Middle East. This is not a small thing in that region -- as the Kurds and Jews have shown us, our truest allies in that turbulent region tend to be non-Arab: cultural loyalties tend to make for stronger revolutions.
No, I am confident that we will not see "more of the same" when we take out the violent terrorist regime that has been holding Iran under its thumb for too long. But then, I also would hold that our military and President Bush should not deal lightly with killers and jihadists in Iran. Crush the enemy like we should always do in the Middle East, because to not do this only emboldens the Islamists who we know by now just react like hyena to any sign of weakness or hesitancy.
No matter what happens though, the bottom line here is that we can NOT allow Iran to gain nuclear weaponry. I don't care what veiled threats China or Russia might toss at us -- if we have to fight a world war to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of madmen and terrorists, then so be it, because to not do so will just assuredly make our lives hell for decades to come as we are systematically terrorized with the worst of weapons on our own home soil. I'm sure no sane Americans wish to see such an eventuality.
Free Persia.
Posted by: Foehammer at April 12, 2006 9:19 PM
Naseem...with regards to your "last throw" post:
Well, isn't your concern for the United States' future truly heart-wrenching! We Americans are genuinely affected. Sob! (I'm crying into my handkerchief as I post this message!).
HOWEVER IF YOU READ ANY 20th CENTURY U.S. HISTORY AT ALL YOU WOULD KNOW THAT--
in the midst of the Great Depression years America WAS bankrupt. Millions of Americans were unemployed, destitute and homeless. There was even starvation, sometimes in the wealthier areas including California.
My parents remember it all very clearly to this day.
Yet while in the midst of the Great Depression, Americans faced down and destroyed the Nazis and their notorious Third Reich (which by the way was founded upon Islamic principles, as Hitler was an ardent admirer of Islam and employed muslims including Haj el-Husseini the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem), Imperial Japan, and fascist Italy. Americans came out of the Great Depression and won WW2 to the chagrin of folks like yourself who claimed (and still claim) that America had played its last trump card.
'Down and out' doesn't phase Americans a bit. We've 'been there and done that.' We also know what courage is and we know how to make it work for ourselves and all of humanity.
You and your 'last throw' can kiss our derrieres!
Posted by: pythagoras at April 12, 2006 9:27 PM
You must bow down...
What's the transliteral for the word Islam?
Submission, that's what. So you better bow down.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 12, 2006 9:27 PM
... next were gunna see pig's flying.
Already done that. In fact, Ibn and me riding bare-back reached an altitude of 5,200 feet over north-central Tennessee just this morning. Man, were we ever happy. Using recombinant genetics, it was only a matter of time.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 12, 2006 9:30 PM
I think we're screwed. Israel will not take out the plants. They need permision to from the US to fly over Iraq. The US will refuse for an obvious reason: blowback by killing Americans in Iraq. The US cannot attack for the same reason.
The 'scary' part here is plausable deniability. Always has been, always will. I doubt Iran would launch missles at Israel tipped with a nuclear payload. It might fail. Israel would go down by taking half of Iran with her, and look at previous Iranian 'hits' against Jews/Israel. Remember when they took down the Jewish center in South America? to this day, nobody knows what happened. They will act with stealth and by proxy. From their perspective, better to smuggle 'the unit' into S. Lebanon or Gaza or to a dock in Haifa and detonate. This way one doesn't have to worry about reprisals, UN condemnation, making sure the missle works ect.ect.ect. Just build a crude device, smuggle it close to Israel with a few dedicated Jihadi nuclear guys in need of 72 virgins and voila.
Posted by: biorabbi at April 12, 2006 9:39 PM
Naseem,
Just to simply correct you, the faith that is growing the fastest with new believers everyday is the Christian faith. Millions of folks are coming into the Christian faith this coming Easter weekend. The greatest numbers of new Christians is coming from the global south. Africa is leading in this. This is the contenant that at one time had Christian missionaries sent to them from the West.
Now with huge growth in new members, be they Catholic, Protestant or even Bible based Christians, they are now sending missionaries to the West to help plant the seeds for a true Christian revival that is being realized slowly but certain. Also look for China having great growth in new Christians. Just the city of Hong Kong will see up to 2,400 people baptazed into the Catholic faith. Even there are Muslims who have left Islam and are becoming Christians, often after getting dreams of Jesus in their sleep. Accept this as a gentle correction peace be with you.
at April 12, 2006 9:45 PM
Alarmed Porcine Agronomist-
I didnt mean "shaved" in the literal, hirsute sense.
I was thinking of the heads of the regime that are currently in a lather.
A "government-in-exile" style coup, with the help of about 200-300 Seals/Rangers/ etc. parachuted in, would at least throw the place into enough confusion for a while that the Islam-atomic Juggernaut in Iran would be sent into a ditch.
And tell the next layer of leaders to mind their
Kabobs.
at April 12, 2006 9:52 PM
Ahmadinejad and Naseem like the Nazi style....
Posted by: Frank at April 12, 2006 10:10 PM
"In other words, the incoming Israeli government is shrugging off issues affecting its national security, such as the daily Palestinian missile blitz from Gaza, the penetration of Iranian terror cells, Hizballah and al Qaeda to Palestinian areas – and now the stride made by the Islamic republic on the road to a nuclear bomb. For the first time in its history, Israel is placing its vital interests in the hands of outsiders.
Tuesday, April 11, the day the Iranian president delivered his nuclear bombshell, seven Hamas lawmakers traveled to Tehran to attend a conference on the future of Jerusalem – an occasion that is emblematic of a deadly chain that no one in Israeli government appears willing to perceive. "
Political correctness triumphs again -- but I think this whole thing is going to break very badly not only for Isreal, but for the West as well.
The people seem to say they are willing to fight, yet they cave in to their leaders who in turn, can't seem to capitulate fast enough to islam.
Truely a sad state of affairs will develop from this.
Posted by: witness at April 12, 2006 10:27 PM
Beard, you must be English. Only they have humor that dry.
But that doesn't matter to me, I'm always looking for any weak-ass excuse to quote some nut-bar scene from the hadiths.
In fact, a workmate revealed to me yesterday that he transferred from UCLA to USC. I revealed to him that I was Alarmed Pig Farmer. He hung his head, sniffed, and slouched back to his cubicle.
Thank you, Univ. of Southern California.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 12, 2006 10:28 PM
Biorabbi:
with all due respect there is very little new under the sun. We KNOW what to expect of Islam and, yes, it is very, very horrible. This is a tense and worrying situation for all concerned. But it ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE 'SCREWED'!!!!!
You remind me of that TV cartoon character Libby the Lion's chum, Hardy Har-Har!
I would counter your comments with the following words of wisdom.
Franklin delano Roosevelt: "All we have to fear is fear itself."
Another fine inspirational phrase: "To be afraid is to believe in evil more than you believe in God."
Or, in the words of Margaret Thatcher: "Now is the time for strength and resolution."
Think about it. We all must be strong. Get with the program!
Posted by: pythagoras at April 12, 2006 10:30 PM
To all concerned supporters of western democracy:
I don't want to hear any more posts that we're going to lose!!!!
All of you pantywaists should shut the hell up about us losing this war because negativity now will only further demoralize us. Which is exactly what we DO NOT need. that is if you want to win this.
PLEASE ALL OF YOU MAKE UP YOUR MINDS THAT WE ARE GOING TO WIN THIS WAR AGAINST THE JIHADISTS!!! AND BY WHATEVER MEANS NECASSARY. FORGET ABOUT 'STOOPING TO THEIR LEVEL.' I AM A FIRM BELIEVER IN TURNABOUT BEING FAIR PLAY. FORGET THE COST. JUST WIN THIS AND WHEN THERE IS PEACE AGAIN WE WILL REBUILD WHERE WE LEFT OFF.
SO EVERYBODY GET OVER IT. WE DO NOT HAVE TIME TO FRET ABOUT LOSING. BECAUSE WE SHOULD BE TOO BUSY FIGHTING AND WINNING!!!!!!
FORGET THE ODDS. fORGET THE LOONY TUNE DICTATORS LIKE AHMADINEJAD!!! FORGET THE NUKES!!!. FORGET THE NICETIES!!! THIS IS WAR!!!!! ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES AND GET BUSY. NO ONE ELSE IS GOING TO SAVE OUR BUTTS. NOT OUR GOVERNMENTS. NOT OUR SO-CALLED ALLIES. JUST US.
REMEMBER IT'S 1938 ALL OVER AGAIN!!
*****AND IN THE WORDS OF MARGARET THATCHER (A great TROOPER EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE HER POLICIES): NOW IS THE TIME FOR STRNGTH AND RESOLUTION!!!! BECAUSE IT TRULY IS.
Posted by: pythagoras at April 12, 2006 10:43 PM
Just got home, fired 1000 rds, fingers are sore, ready to rock and roll. Bring it followers of mo, bring in.
Posted by: Ronin at April 12, 2006 10:49 PM
I think we are ready, I might be retired but my buddies are not and they tell me they just want to hear one word, GO!!!
Posted by: Ronin at April 12, 2006 10:57 PM
Ringo, ISA, Califat...
Califat Controller!
at April 12, 2006 11:06 PM
This President and this republican Senate and Congress are way too weak,eager to please everybody and anybody,too politically correct,too scared of the liberal democrats and of the ACLU,the NY Times,the EU,the UN,etc...
They will not strike Iran,and even if they will,it will probably be done the same way the war in Iraq is being conducted...unefficient,unrealistic,unusually concerned with respecting islam,and with zero colateral damage,etc..
After the Harriet Meyers fiasco,the Dubai Port debacle,the immigration disgrace,i am completely disgusted with this administration.
The bad news is that the alternative(a democrat administration)would be a catastrophy of gigantic magnitude.
at April 12, 2006 11:07 PM
Don't worry about Iran, all bullies talk smack where thier bluff is called. He is praying hard we will show mercy, I am praying hard we will not. Us or them folks, pick a side. We (the US) can make it without the rest of the world, can they make it without us?
Posted by: Ronin at April 12, 2006 11:09 PM
I'd like to see Hugh run.
Posted by: Ronin at April 12, 2006 11:13 PM
Mr Ronin, I pray for AMERICA, and AMERICANS. We have a choice, do we have the heart, I think we've gotten to a point where freedom is to easy. Why I was born with it. So I dont have to worry anymore about my rights and stuff.
Posted by: AMartinez at April 12, 2006 11:18 PM
Lol, I love that one. I am watching O'Relly some AF type just explained how to take them out. I say, shut up or put up.
Posted by: Ronin at April 12, 2006 11:21 PM
I think it is time for the human shields to rush to Iran. Let's take up a fund to speed them along.
Posted by: Ronin at April 12, 2006 11:24 PM
Can you get sindy the skagg,wouldnt touch her with a bagg,thank goodness shes a commie a fag, damn this is too much typin.
Posted by: AMartinez at April 12, 2006 11:30 PM
Ronin and Patriot,
I love it when you guys get all fired up! It gives me hope that sanity will be the ultimate survivor.
And Ronin... Hugh can run but I'll only vote for him if you're on the ticket. lol!
at April 12, 2006 11:32 PM
I'll run if I can be SECDEF
Posted by: Ronin at April 12, 2006 11:35 PM
The bad news is that the alternative(a democrat administration)would be a catastrophy of gigantic magnitude.
Posted by: adela at April 12, 2006 11:07 PM
You said it. We're stuck without a paddle, miles and miles up sh-t creek.
We really need some charismatic independents or libertarians to run for office, and soon!! Nobody could do any worse that what we've got, except the Democrats.
Posted by: Susanp at April 12, 2006 11:36 PM
Deal, but then Patriot gets Condie's job.
Posted by: shouting the truth at April 12, 2006 11:37 PM
Nah, Patriot should run homeland security. Susan will you replace Condi?
Posted by: Ronin at April 12, 2006 11:40 PM
Wouldn't it be lovely if ANYONE would run Homeland Security?!? I'm thinking they've all taken a permanent vacation, gone AWOL, or something.
And, before we can swear Susan in as Condie's replacement, we need to make her sign an oath never to use the phrase, "Strong steps."
Posted by: shouting the truth at April 12, 2006 11:44 PM
Lol, shouting, I can tell at some point you wore a uniform, come clean.
Posted by: Ronin at April 12, 2006 11:45 PM
Nope. I'm a thirty-five year old woman with no military background, unless you count that Dad was in the Army for 22 years.
And, you're not the only one who went shooting today, although I didn't get off nearly 1000 rounds.
Posted by: shouting the truth at April 12, 2006 11:49 PM
Well Dad taught you well, as far as the 1000 rds, I wish I could do it more often but I don't make enough to do so. I get asked often which branch I was in, I never answer as I try and speak for all of us. We and our families all paid/pay the same price. I'm out, g nite.
Posted by: Ronin at April 12, 2006 11:56 PM
I wonder if we can do anything to draw India, South Korea and Japan in the circle against Iran?
at April 13, 2006 12:07 AM
You must bow down to the greatness of the Iranian nation.
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Can you read this finger gesture????
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If America does attack Iran this will be the last throw. Fighting on many fronts America will become bankrupt and in the pockets of the Chinese and Saudi.
Posted by: Naseem at April 12, 2006 04:47 PM
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Nationalize all non-ally foreign owned property and cancel all non-ally foreign owned debt.
America will do just what the mo's did years ago.
A 7 trillion dollar debt goes to nothing or even positive when we sell off all of the nationalized property and wipe out the foreign debt.
Just who has the power to come collect???
Trade nukes with America and everyone loses. Try to invade, we nuke the fleets.
This is a winner and works for me.
The Texican.
Posted by: Texican at April 13, 2006 12:18 AM
Naseem!
Peace to you while I watch your ass get kicked....ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!
Posted by: champ at April 12, 2006 05:53 PM
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Champ, u forget, Naseem is a mo woman and already gets her ass kicked often by her mo man.
Posted by: Texican at April 13, 2006 12:23 AM
I'd like to see Hugh run.
Posted by: Ronin at April 12, 2006 11:13 PM
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Naked or in clothes???
Posted by: Texican at April 13, 2006 12:35 AM
I'm beginning to like this deranged mental retard. I haven't read every comment posted to this article so maybe someone has mentioned this already, but it appears to me that this wacko is doing more to focus attention on the evils of Islam and its radical intent than anyone else has (that I can recall) in recent time. In the propaganda war this guy is doing great stuff for the west. The more this joker rants the more that eyes get opened in the west. I say, keep talking fool, keep talking.
Posted by: krkrjak at April 13, 2006 12:36 AM
If the mo's had any idea of how pissed off the majority of Americans are about islime and the mo's, they would all go back to the me.
We are prepared, armed and damn ready for this one to start.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
at April 13, 2006 12:37 AM
People on this posting thread seem to be talking a lot about how America can stand alone in its fights against radical Islam. I want to separate out strategic tactics from the way Americans get all defensive when you criticize them (yes, we know you’re bigger and badder, but it’s not solving Iraq at the moment is it?)
America standing alone
I don’t get how you can even think that. You’ll all made your money integrating resources from the rest of the world (foreign oil, Chinese goods, Mexican labor etc), and now the increasing indebtedness of the US means others (principally Chinese at the moment) are holding your bonds.
Then there’s the proxies, the British and Israelis. America has used them both to good effect to illustrate coalition (the Brits), and to literally ‘execute’ foreign policy (the Israelies).
So America needs to integrate with the rest of the world to make money from it, and it uses its friends for smoke and mirrors.
But actually, it’s your isolationism that’s part of the problem. America is not learning from the past Imperialist mistakes of the Europeans. Elites within countries that have messed up in the region before have been trying to tell the US about alternative ways of running a counter-insurgency, and the US has not been listening. Here’s an illustration of a counter-insurgency program that worked: ‘Counterinsurgency Lessons from Malaya and Vietnam: Learning to Eat Soup with a Knife by John Nagl’
at April 13, 2006 12:53 AM
Bow down? Not likely.
This is going to get ugly. Or, as we used to say, "Ughly".
Posted by: Havoc at April 13, 2006 12:59 AM
I want to separate out strategic tactics from the way Americans get all defensive when you criticize them (yes, we know you’re bigger and badder, but it’s not solving Iraq at the moment is it?)
Posted by: albion at April 13, 2006 12:53 AM
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Iraq is in the shape it is in due to
1) islamic hatred of freedom,
2) the Sunnis and Shia will not live in peace since the Shia were freed.
3) pcness of our American government
4) not destroying terrorists camps in syria and iran.
Americans are sick and tired of being berated for being Americans and the rest of the world can get ..........
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
at April 13, 2006 1:03 AM
Texican -
Oops!! Yeah, it sounds like I was talking about Naseem getting HER ass kicked - but I was actually trying to summarize a previous post of Her Highness'.
Naseem frequently posts by giving her beloved JW Family her phony "Peace be with you" greeting; and then she'll reveal her true sentiments by stating her deep and abiding love for America.
We love you too, Naseem!! No really, we do!
Posted by: champ at April 13, 2006 1:05 AM
We love you too, Naseem!! No really, we do!
Posted by: champ at April 13, 2006 01:05 AM
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Naseem, I have prayed for you before God and God said that if you would just ask God to save you, you would be saved and will not have to be disgraced by following allah who does not exist. I will pray for you again.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
at April 13, 2006 1:12 AM
Albion,
What country do you live in? I thought the "idea" behind 9/11 was drive America into isolationist mode. Since 9-11-01 America has been anything but isolationist.
Posted by: Roxane at April 13, 2006 1:52 AM
"...Those who insulted the Iranian nation and set back Iran’s movement for progress for several years must apologise”, Ahmadinejad said at a rally in the eastern town of Rashtkhar..."
Anybody familiar with Rashtkhar? Anybody familiar with Mashad?
Some of the above posters eager to 'nuke Iran' and those who believe there might be a 'strong resistance-movement' somewhere amongst those so terribly disillusioned with the RoP, should know that these 'eastern cities' were always strongholds of Islamic fanaticism. Even as far back as 1970, when I travelled through these parts, an infidel could not get a hotel-room in these places.
Bush will not nuke Iran.
He is a chicken-hawk and his cabinet of sillies and sissies has become the laughing stock of the Mohammedan 'world' and is no longer taken seriously in Europe or anywhere.
Yes, there is little hope for Europe either, and at this point I can see the only solution in a shake-up of the US government, that would bring some determined and resolute types to abolish democracy (at least for the duration of the war) in other words: a coup d'etat . Is the military ready for this? I doubt it. Is anybody else strong enough to do it? Hardly.
The current set-up doesn't work. We are getting nowhere.
The war must be fought we the intention to destroy the enemy. We are not doing that.
Just for laughs:
http://email.latimes.com/cgi-bin1/DM/y/e1dC0KYoWv0G2B0HRkP0Et
at April 13, 2006 3:36 AM
This day has been coming for years they have had nuclear war heads since 1990,the got them from Ukriane when the old soviets were around.These war heads need reprocessed hense the reprocessing plants
Posted by: highlander1965 at April 13, 2006 4:03 AM
Assalamau_laikum wa Rahmatulla all
Such stinging comments.... some below the salwaar belt too.
As usual I have fulfilled my duty to do Allah's peaceful bidding. When the chips are down a bit all will recognise the Ahmadi as muslims too, I worry about this is a good and bad way.
It is good that you still feel strong after many years of drainage in Iraq ( I think thouigh that Hugh does not. You may need it.
I watched a CNN news clip which showed Amrikan housewives getting together and watching the news in trepidation. When the speaker announced yet another 2 American soldiers died...you could see the fear in the eyes of the poor womens. Some were sobbing and others were screaming at the television...they were genuenly scared...and then a reporter asked them questions "we want our mensfolk back" Tracy cried..."it jus aint rite, I lost my only son" said another "Mr. Bush should have known this would be a mess".
Those two soldiers (and many many thousands of others)paid the ultimate price (may they rest in peace) but there are other losers too...their families.
Who is now going to win the bread for them, who is going to take the childrens to basketball and swimming. A $25000 (or whatever the state gives them) + a flag ain't ever gonna be enough.
They need their fathers for thanksgiving & christmas. The boys need time off to go fishing with their dad...the daughters need them to teach driving, a whole generation is missing out on the "American Experience".
Your future is the childrens and so many are brought up the wrong way ...with few morals and no religious education (well Islam can fix that).
In taking on Iran obviously more of your blond boys will also pay the ultimate price ...and leaving more childerns to suffer....this needs to be though about.
Take heed ...this is all about shaping the future, its all about the childrens.
It's no good taking it out on me ...I only offer you peace (and Jilbabs).
at April 13, 2006 4:16 AM
Roxane,
I'd think he's British: Albion is an old name for Britain.
In my view, he makes a false comparison. Malaya has long been regarded as a text-book case in how to run a successful counter-insurgency operation. (qv Gerald Templar.) However, there the problem was communist guerrillas who were only found among a minority population - the Chinese - and who were, therefore, more easily isolated and dealt with.
I can't see that the problem of a resurgent Islam can be dealt with by applying generalized counter-insurgency doctrine without regard to the particular conditions on the ground. And one shaping condition is Islam itself - and the Sunni-Shia split.
The latter factor is particularly obvious in the case of Iraq, as Hugh keeps pointing out:
iraq tarbaby "posted by hugh" site:.jihadwatch.org
at April 13, 2006 4:41 AM
Does anyone have a better source for this than Iran Focus?
Posted by: Bert Preast at April 13, 2006 6:59 AM
Naseem:
Have you any idea how many brave men and women of the US armed forces re-enlisted for another tour of duty over there? Have you any idea as to how many parents of troups who died over their are proud, though heartbroken, that their children died in order to free people from a brutal tyrant? Have you any idea as to how many Iraqis are grateful to have been freed from Saddam and hate the Baathist and Islamic murderers who would keep them enslaved?
There was a recent translation posted by MEMRI of a liberal Muslim saying that it is Muslims like you and not bin Laden that make the world hate Muslims. You enjoy the benefits you have received from living in western countries, or in countries receiving aid from them, but are completely devoid of any gratitude for it and only offer your blind, mindless adherence to a religion that is rife with hatred, with maybe only a token denounciation of terror, and usually only when it comes home to roost.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at April 13, 2006 8:29 AM
"If the mo's had any idea of how pissed off the majority of Americans are about islime and the mo's, they would all go back to the me.
We are prepared, armed and damn ready for this one to start."
I second that
at April 13, 2006 9:18 AM
Naseem you watch too much TV, you wasted your time especially watching CNN. how can you judge a country and a people by CNN? We have tried to tell you that the media people live in a bubble particularly those in NYC and Wash DC beltway. These people do not even come close to the country's determination. the people on this web list are real. Naseem if you see women crying over fear of losing their children, that is normal. you dont have warped women wanting to send their children with bomb belts, that is your culture and religon wanting human sacrifices. islam is like the aztec of Mexico in that they live on human scacrfices. your rock in mecca is killing and brainwashing people, and in the end the True Religion of the Path toward God (Christianity) will reign over your death cult of Isalm. Christians do not kill when you leave, but they rejoice for those who found their way back. Naseem, Jesus will forgive your sins, and not ask you to kill others in His Name!
Posted by: Lulu at April 13, 2006 9:36 AM
Waterdragon says "a liberal Muslim is saying that it is Muslims like you and not bin Laden that make the world hate Muslims."
I am not even regarded as a muslim by one & all...inspite of my insistence of muslim status....I don't see how you can accuse me of this.
Waterdragon says "You enjoy the benefits you have received from living in western countries, or in countries receiving aid from them, but are completely devoid of any gratitude for it".
I don't get to see any of this aid personally, I work really hard on my own to earn a living, most of your money goes on F16s that PaK buys with money...in-effect you are giving F16s to Pak for free. Why R U doing this?...It's your money...why don't you have strings attached.
But Thank you for the money anyway.
Waterdragon says "and (you)only offer your blind, mindless adherence to a religion that is rife with hatred, with maybe only a token denounciation of terror".
That's bull crap and you know it. I have NEVER advocated terror & I have always denounced it...I have ALWAYS only talked about the peaceful practices within Islam to be promoted in the West.
Mine is not a blind Adherence...I have acknowledged failues & lies with certain suras of the Koran....YOU SHOW ME ONE OTHER MUSLIM (not converted anti-muslims) ON THIS PLANET WHO IS PREPARED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT LIKE I DO.
I adhere because there are enough suras that keep me going from apart from extensions that Mohd SAW would have likely put in over & above what Allah SWT had told him to.
SO I'm afraid I cannot agree with much of your (somewhat blind) analysis.
Posted by: Naseem at April 13, 2006 9:44 AM
Lulu says "in the end the True Religion of the Path toward God (Christianity) will reign over your death cult of Isalm".
I think this can only happen on judgement day...the end of the world day...unless Allah SWT wishes something different.
I'll remind you of this if we are both around on judgement day & the internet is up.
Lulu says "Christians do not kill when you leave, but they rejoice for those who found their way back. Naseem, Jesus will forgive your sins, and not ask you to kill others in His Name"!
There is nowhere to comeback to...I am already there. Jesus (pbuh) is a prophet of Islam too and I am sure he will forive my sins ...in this I am in agreement with you ....but it is Allah and through him the formation of the Califat form of government in the ISA that I am waiting to possibly see.
Peace & Jilbabs be with you.
Posted by: Naseem at April 13, 2006 9:53 AM
While I don't agree with most of what Naseem says, I am disappointed to see her being ridiculed for what she says, she is only voicing her opinion as any of us do. Surely there is a more intelligent way of having a discussion than having to lower ourselves in the way we talk. Up until now I have been very impressed with the calaba of conversations on the Jihad watch articles, and I feel that even with all the ridicule that Naseem has come under that she has on the whole conducted herself very well.
However Naseem, I do feel that you need to read all of the last three quarters of your own Quran and see the hatred, slaughter, taking of booty and slaves, etc, IF people wouldn't submit to Allah. Under Islam, people don't have a free choice, not only in what they believe but how they conduct their lives, and what they think, I agree that there must be laws and rules but not total control over the lives of the people.
Mohammad himself said how he raided many villages and even chased the Jews off their land taking all that they possessed including their wives and children, forcing some to become his wives... he raided many villages while they slept.
In reading the Quran I tried to see it from a Muslim point of view, but still couldn't get past the fact from what I read that under the guise of a religion Mohammad lure the men into helping him conquer the world, and help him become rich. He was an evil, deceptive, sex hungry, man, using paradise to as a drawing card . It seems that your people don't wonder as to why non of your leaders, clerics, or anyone of importance nor their sons ever become martyrs.. There are many Muslims who have come out if Islam because they have seen what a cruel religion it is. It is a religion of fear, hatred and war, however, splattered amongs these verses of war etc, are some wonderful verses, there had to be or no one would have joined Mohammads religion, and he could never have had the means to be able to collected the booty off the poor people..
at April 13, 2006 11:11 AM
Naseem Sez: "Mine is not a blind Adherence...I have acknowledged failues & lies with certain suras of the Koran..."
A nazi who points out the evils of nazism, but stays in the party, remains a nazi, and a hypocrite.
You are not really a muslim anyway. Real muslims dont find any lies or failures in Islam at all.
Why dont you apostate yourself for real. You can still worship God in any way you want, and you will be free from trying to revive a dead horse.
You can also free yourself from the '
obligation' to support, and participate in jihad.
Apostate today, it's the only decent thing to do...
at April 13, 2006 11:19 AM
Gaye,
As the saying goes, " Islam demands that you sacriface your son, Christianity is where God sacrifaces His son ".
Your posting is spot on. Naseem is one who is troubled by what she sees in her Muslim community. Other then to debate and asking questions, the only other thing that can be done is to pray for her during the Passover/Easter seasons.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 13, 2006 11:41 AM
You want hope for America?
I'll give you one phrase:
"Texas is bigger than France."
And we have lots of guns.
Posted by: Foehammer at April 13, 2006 12:30 PM
..but it is Allah and through him the formation of the Califat form of government in the ISA that I am waiting to possibly see.
Peace & Jilbabs be with you.
Posted by: Naseem [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 13, 2006 09:53 AM
Naseem l hate to burst your bubble, but your futur
"Califat" any leader you think that will succeed will never have the chance to be born, you see his father blew himself up before he has a chance to be born. islam's future are bomb belts, and islam's future are dead already. :(
PS Jesus was not a prophet but God. l will forgive your transgressions and not say l will kill all Pakistani muslims, and not burn your embassies. you see Naseem "Christianity" is the true path to God, and this Easter and Passover l will pray you see the light. Jeusu was not feared but loved, that is the difference.:)
Posted by: Lulu at April 13, 2006 2:44 PM
Naseem is sooooo confused.
Accept Jesus dear and you will go to Heaven...not Hell.
at April 13, 2006 4:28 PM
I'll give you one phrase:
"Texas is bigger than France."
And we have lots of guns.
Posted by: Foehammer at April 13, 2006 12:30 PM
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I think that is two phrases, but I concur with both.
Prepare, be armed be ready.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
at April 13, 2006 8:46 PM
Naseem,
The Christian faith is growing by leaps and bounds. It is the fastest growing faith. Be at peace and accept Jesus. God Bless.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 14, 2006 6:09 AM
Naseem, I can understand why Muslims want to become martyrs, they truely believe that the west is evil and it is Mohammads command to get rid of the evil. Naseem, there is so many people in the west who wont believe in God, and they are truely evil, and do evil things, but we see many of your people who say that they believe in your god who do things we think is so evil. Most people who believe in Jesus and God do their best to never do anything wrong TO ANYONE, but it appears that all Muslims are told to do what we call evil things to non Muslims. You dont win people by hating them.
Naseem, there is NO other religion in the world who tells it's people to slaughter those who won't submit to their religion or to plunder caravans or neighbours and divide up what they steal from the people that they have slaughered, (or taken as slaves), or wives, as long as they submitt to Islam, and who is going to WILLINGLY submit when the enemy has slaughtered their families and husbands.
There is NO other religion which says that they are to take the world for their God, and kill those who wont submit or who will slaughter their own if they dont do the right thing, or fight when called..
There is NO other religion which tells it's members to not be friends with the unbelievers, or to tell it's members to slaughter one of it's own if they turn away from their religion.
There is NO other religion whose prophet ordered plundering, torturing and slaughering and also carried it out himself, or whose whose prophet inspired violence and vertually braged about murdering non Muslims.
There is NO other religion whose god and prophet is regengeful against those who wouldnt believe, or whose prophet distrubuted women and girls they had captured on raids to be sex slaves for his male followers and himself.
There is NO other religion which promises heavenly brothels to loyal Muslim men when they die as a martyr, who would forever satisfy their sexual cravings. (Koran 38.51, 44,54: 55:55,74; 56:22,34-36) etc...or who justifies its mass slaughters only because the pagan defied Islams god and his apostles.
(Koran 8:12,13.) and have the cheek to say that they are a religion of peace, and all this is done because their god through the Quran etc, told them to.... surely this makes Muslims wake up. Oh how my heart goes out to them. I couldnt live in such fear.
at April 14, 2006 9:20 AM
"...I want the birth of Islam in the West to be in America....as this is where I think the Califat will be born."
naseem is the manifesto of delusional.
And when the califat will be born, can we at least hope that you muslim kill each other for good?
Giving back the earth to animals seems to me a better way than giving it to muslims. Animals have a dignity.
Posted by: poisonr at April 15, 2006 2:16 PM
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