Just more rhetoric....different day. She should go back to piano playing.

Posted by: Siciliano at April 12, 2006 5:11 PM

Where's Ronald Reagan when we need someone with cajones. After the debacle with Jimmy Peanut Carter and the Iranian hostages, by the time Ronnie said the Presidential Oath the hostages were already in International airspace because that moron Komeni knew he meant biz.

Posted by: Siciliano at April 12, 2006 5:14 PM

Oh goodie... "strong steps" and "diplomatic tactics" ought to work just great (to be read with MUCH sarcasm!).

What is she THINKING?!? What is ANY of the Western World thinking? All of world leader AHVE to know that this isn't going to end peacefully. Better we take our military action now, before Iran does have the capability of striking back at any of our allies or us.

Come on Dr. Rice... "strong steps" from the UN just aren't going to cut it. And you KNOW it.

Posted by: shouting the truth at April 12, 2006 5:15 PM

maybe if we all write really really mean letters the mullahs, pasdaran and hizballah will be ascared

Posted by: epaminondas at April 12, 2006 5:15 PM

Are there not any sect of our armed forces that could sneak in and take care of this mess?

Posted by: freewoman at April 12, 2006 5:40 PM

I think we should drone him to death with hellfire missiles...especially how much the moron is in the spotlight. Should be able to locate their TV station...Those suckers evade radar.

Posted by: Siciliano at April 12, 2006 5:48 PM

How does Dr. Rice presume to speak for the "international community?" What is the "international community", whose name she so freely bandies about? Has it a capitol? What is its method of governance? Is the “Internationale” its anthem?

How much happier I would be if Dr. Rice could find the voice to speak for the American community, say to the issues of Hamas and illegal immigration. Dr. Rice makes me fear for my country.

Posted by: allen at April 12, 2006 5:50 PM

I heard on the radio today a certain Joseph Cirincione, described as director of nonproliferation studies at the Carnegie Institute. He was counselling, for all sorts of transparently absurd regions, that the American government refrain from attacking Iran. His reason? It seemed to consist of a number of propositions, all of them false and dangerous.

One was that the United States could not "play favorites." In other words, it cannot come out against a "Muslim bomb" and yet permit the Israelis to possess nuclear weapons. A moment's thought tells us that Cirincione's suggestion implies that we should be equally alarmed if North Korea and Australia acquire nuclear weapons. Clearly, that is not the case. That he is incapable, either because he has not studied, or has carefully refrained from studying, the belief-system of Islam, and is therefore unwilling to come to the conclusion that the non-Muslim nations are perfectly justified, given the tenets of Islam, in attempting to prevent the acquisition, by any Muslim state or people or group or groupuscule, of exceptionally dangerous weapons.

A second was that a strike on Iran would be "counter-productive" if our aim is to bring about a new regime in Iran, blah blah. This is nonsense for two reasons.

The first is that the initial rallying-around the Islamic Republic even by Iranians who despise it would be the insect of an hour, a matter of merely a few months. Then the real humiliation would work its magic, and the regime itself (also possibly embroiled, by that point, not only in Iraq, but also in having to put down revolts among the Kurds, the Baluchis, the Arabs in Khuzistan, and if the Americans, possibly in tandem with the Russians, are clever, even among the Azeris). It is not true that a successful attack on Iran's nuclear project would lead to a permanent strengthening of the Islamic Republic; a brief bump, followed by a catastrophic fall in support, is more likely.

The second is that when there is a choice between denying Iran, under this regime or under any regime, nuclear weapons, and choosing to refrain from doing so in the hope that this will strengthen those wishing to topple the current regime, the choice is easy. It is the capacity to do damage that matters, and that means there is only one choice.

Cirincione did not inspire confidence in his presentation, or in his evident ignorance of Islam and the priorities. Nor did his pronunciation of "sotto voce" as "sutto voce" impress.

Posted by: Hugh at April 12, 2006 6:04 PM

Here's to add to Hugh's report...from CNN

Gholamreza Aghazadeh, head of Iran's atomic energy agency, said Natanz had used an array of 164 centrifuges to enrich uranium at 3.5 percent -- a low-grade level sufficient to run a power plant but far below the 90 percent required for weapons.

On Wednesday, Iran's deputy nuclear chief said his country intends to increase production at Natanz to the facility's full capacity of 54,000 centrifuges.

Mohammad Saeedi told Iran's Mehr News Agency that at full capacity, Natanz would provide enough low-grade uranium to operate a 1,000-megawatt power station.

Saeedi gave no timetable to reach the 54,000-centrifuge operation but said the country would have 3,000 centrifuges operational by next March.

Nuclear weapons require many thousands of centrifuges.

"They have a long, long way to go," said Joseph Cirincione, director for nonproliferation at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "What they may have achieved, and we'll know for certain after we get reports from the international inspectors in a couple of weeks, is they enriched a minuscule amount of uranium."

Cirincione said Iran likely is at least four to five years away from enriching enough uranium to build its first nuclear weapon.

But he said, "I don't think you can trust the Iranians that this program is only for peaceful purposes.

"Most countries that enrich uranium do so when they have 20 or more [nuclear power] reactors," he said. "Iran hasn't even opened up its first."

According to the IAEA, 31 nations have nuclear power plants, either in operation or under construction.

Posted by: Siciliano at April 12, 2006 6:12 PM

While Rice took a strong line, she did not call for an emergency meeting of the Council, saying it should consider action after receiving an IAEA report by April 28. She did not elaborate on what measures the United States would support, but economic and political sanctions are under consideration.

So the US will go from zero trade with Iran to...?

As long as calling any Council meeting is on the table, this is a lost cause, with Russian and Chinese positions well known. When Rumsfeld starts doing the talking instead of Rice, and talks about nuking the nuke sites are explicitly mentioned by the Administration as being "not off the table", that will give some confidence.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 12, 2006 6:47 PM

Perhaps she should visit him personally with her very own version of the "holy" Koran, and read him those 'peaceful' surahs which he obviously never reads...

Would she be 'strong' enough for that?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 12, 2006 6:58 PM

One was that the United States could not "play favorites"...

But these are Moslems, albeit Persian ones, so we are duty bound to discriminate against them. As they are to us.

The sooner we drop this wink wink nod nod fraud that Islam is a religion, the safer we'll be from the Koranic god's awful commandments.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 12, 2006 7:24 PM

well the world can thank the peanut farmer jimmy carter for the mess! the peaceniks are more fearful of the US armed forces than Iranians. maybe with the moron newspeople going about how the pentagon has plans to bomb iran might work in our favour. but then we are dealing with a madman and his croonie mullahs! oh geesh get the stick out, enough of speaking softly!

Posted by: Lulu at April 12, 2006 7:41 PM

Jimmy Carter: disgrace to the U.S. Navy. Not as big a disgrace as that gigolo John Kerry, at least Jimmy was a winner.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 12, 2006 7:52 PM

Paper origami cranes, Dr. Rice.

Paper origami cranes!

They worked so well against the south Thailand Muslim insurgents...

(Perhaps with little message of peace ...and private notes about how much you think their guidebook of terror is "Holy" "Holy" "Holy".)

She has all the credibility of a guy outside of a bank, with red-dyed hands, saying:

"They went thatta way!"

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 12, 2006 8:19 PM

am I missing something here?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 12, 2006 8:30 PM

Elected by the American electorate. Under the strict guidance and at the manipulation of the Marxist Media, but that's no excuse.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 12, 2006 9:14 PM

Madame Secretary,

Please, help me out here: you threaten the meanies in Iran with the wrath of the international community. That really has them scurrying to the bunkers, I bet.

Here's what I don't understand: Russia and China are not onboard; so, count them out.

The happy warriors of Europe, yes, the EUnuchs, have, as the epithet indicates, had their spears bobbed.

So, what tigers of the world community do you plan to sic on Iran? Oh, yeah, our loyal allies the Fijians.

Yes, I now see the genius of the plan: hundreds of catamarans bearing fierce, albeit pudgy, semi-clad Polynesian warriors, wearing grass-skirts, faces smeared with war-paint, will quietly slip into the Straight of Hormuz, stealthily avoiding detection by Iranian radar. The world community will shudder ecstatically in homage to your multi-cultural instincts, but I digress.

At dawn, the shore batteries of awe-struck Iranian defenders, sun in their faces, will be mercilessly splattered and blinded by consecutive rolling barrages of chemical WMDs, over-ripe breadfruit. The now totally disoriented Iranian Revolutionary Guards will receive the coups de grace as volley after volley of coconuts are hurled at point blank range by fierce, albeit pudgy, and by now nude Polynesian warriors.

Just when I think you are little more than a highly overrated GS-5 cheerleader, you surprise.

Posted by: allen at April 12, 2006 9:30 PM

It would be quite interesting if Israel just did it . . . set back the Iranian nuclear program by 10 years . . . taking them out. Maybe flying through Kurdistan--or around Iraq--and pummeled the instalations. I view the Iranian bomb as horrific. The end of Israel should a bomb hit her, and putting the US into a depression should a single device go off on our soil. I think it is unlikely for a variety of reasons, but I wouldn't count it out. I recall the utter shock after the Osirak hit by the Israelis on Iraq over twenty years ago. Nobody saw that coming either.

Posted by: biorabbi at April 12, 2006 9:48 PM

You fools, and myself. We sit here idly by, waiting for the next one. It's happened already, the damn Mexicans are here. Our flood gates are open, they want our land, and not our American lifestyle.When o When are people gonna pay attention to whats going on. I have a spanish name, but I'm an AMERICAN first and foremost. This is the greatest county in the world. Why do you think everyone wants to put and end to us and AMERICA?

Posted by: AMartinez at April 12, 2006 10:39 PM

AMartinez--I'm doing something--I'm supporting and going to vote for another man with a spanish name--Robert Vasquez--this coming election--a county commissioner here(Idaho)who really knows his immigration topics. Biorabbi, I think you may worry too much, odds are it's going to get done, probably by both Israel and the United States.

Posted by: bobalharb at April 12, 2006 10:51 PM

Americans have to do this themselves, Iran and the muffie poeple are watching. If we sit we're waisted. Better we kick there stupid camel humpin, sister kissin, allah is a butt licker,well i guess I'm mad.

Posted by: AMartinez at April 12, 2006 10:59 PM

I can think of a few strong steps to use. ICBM!

Posted by: Ronin at April 12, 2006 11:02 PM

I agree with Hugh. There is only one choice. It is the same choice that Europe faces. Do nothing in a way that some could construe as constructive, or take action now. We must take action now.

It is very much to their credit that some people balk at the thought of what such action might entail in terms of loss of life and so forth, but it is an inescapable fact that the civilised world is under threat. Do we have to wait to be attacked? No, for we have have already been attacked (I refer you to 9/11 and 7/7 and other incidents) twice. No clearer a declaration of war upon us could have been made.

However, it must weigh in the minds of all civilised people that we would be condeming many human beings to a lingering and agonising death if we attacked with or without a plan. They may be moslem but they can still bleed and suffer just like us and we are enjoined not to do this by everything that we hold dear as civilised human beings except in the most exceptional of circumstances. Are we sure that we have reached that point? Could we justify military action in all the courts of man and in the Higher Court? I think we could. What do the rest of you think?

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at April 12, 2006 11:29 PM

hey guys check out this lady.

www.americancongressfortruth.com

Posted by: jawknee at April 12, 2006 11:30 PM

I retired with a chest full of medals and my share of scars, what we face now is worse than I could have imagined. We do this or we die. It really is that simple.

Posted by: Ronin at April 12, 2006 11:32 PM

I have chosen my moniker carefully. Necessitas non habet legem means 'necessity knows no law'. My real name is Anthony Dominic James Tabrar-Synge. I am a gay Christian Englishman. I am not ashamed to come out in the battle against the moslem jihad and I'll take whatever they can throw at me. I've read this site for several months now and it has only served to confirm what I already suspected. I for one am prepared to stand up and be counted along with Robert, Hugh and Rebecca. With a name like mine they can find me easily.

I'm ready!

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at April 12, 2006 11:41 PM

Do you mind if folks refer to you as nnhl for short?:)

Posted by: bobalharb at April 12, 2006 11:46 PM

Dear bobalharb,

Not at all. I've made my point I think. I'm just waiting for all the intelligent people here to shoot me down in flames. This is the first time that I have had the courage to post here. It's a bit frightening given some of the intellectual debate that goes on.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at April 12, 2006 11:54 PM

Mr ANOTHY, as of all peoples from the world who as I truley believe, should and can use there names. We must, myself i've nothing to hide, this jihad crap is a bunch of shit. But when people come to this country, the best place in the whole wide world, and too be an AMERICAN, well that the tits. My names ALEX MARTINEZ an AMERICAN, first and formost.

Posted by: AMartinez at April 12, 2006 11:54 PM

That whole bush administration makes me afraid.
Posted by: patriot2 at April 12, 2006 06:01 PM
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Disappointed due to his continued failures to shutdown our borders,
embarrassed for voting for Bush twice,
utter disbelief that Bush does not understand the mo's intend on killing him and ruling the world,
teed off for all the stupidity in this administration,
whopping mad about all of Bush’s bad decisions,
nuclear about most of what he has done including not protect America and riding America of all of the foreign invaders,
but not afraid.

The worse than can be done is trying to take away our freedom and arms then lots will get to see God and we will get to watch the rest of it play out from Heaven.

Prepare, be armed be ready.

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at April 12, 2006 11:56 PM

P.S forgot TEXICAN your 1 bad mofo

Posted by: AMartinez at April 12, 2006 11:58 PM

Dear bobalharb,

Mark you, nnhl makes me sound like a crap cable TV Channel, don't you think. Then again, maybe that's just what I sound like, d--n it.

Dear AMartinez,

Yep, we shouldn't be afraid to use our real names. BTW, I'm English and that really is the best s--t in world. No moslem can be 'cos that's a contradiction in terms. If I wasn't born English my second choice would be American. I think most English men and women think that way. Though maybe a Canuck would have been fun.

To you both:

My friends call me Dominic, don't ask it's just a silly English thing about second names and too many brothers!

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at April 13, 2006 12:13 AM

PSS. Can't wait till the next elections, We're gonna get some real AMERICANS in office. Maybe the hilde beast, Johnnie
fought in viet nam,damn we got some republicans too John you cant pick my crops for 50. an hour what me worry........... wellllllllllllll

Posted by: AMartinez at April 13, 2006 12:17 AM

Then Dominic it is--you'll get a lot of support here--didn't do so well in Latin myself, but I can pronounce Dominic.

Posted by: bobalharb at April 13, 2006 12:18 AM

necessitasnonhabetlegem
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nec, just what does necessitasnonhabetlegem mean??

Posted by: Texican at April 13, 2006 12:42 AM

Dear patriot2 and bobalharb

Thanks. Wise words. My spelling and grammar isn't too hot and I know it. I'll take my licks as best I can. I don't have the knowledge of most of you about Islam and the Koran and all that but I know what's right and the freedoms I've got and I don't think I should bite the hand that feeds me.

For me and mine Islam spells the end. I know that this war makes for strange bedfellows but I think that we are all in this together and we should all fight together and sort out our differences after we've won. I'd rather sort things out with any of you than try to sort things out with a nuclear capable moslem.

Some of my siblings can't pronounce 'Dominic' so that puts you one up on them. The last birthday card that my eldest sister sent me was addressed to 'Donnimic'. I ask you is she paying attention? A guy can get seriously weirded by a sister like that. She married a Shinto Japanese (really good guy) but ever since she started to study the kanji characters her English has gone to h--l but you should hear her about her second boyfriend who was moslem. She hasn't a good word to say, believe me.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at April 13, 2006 12:44 AM

If I wasn't born English my second choice would be American.
Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at April 13, 2006 12:13 AM
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The best of all is not only being an American but also a Texican. You just can't live better than this.

Posted by: Texican at April 13, 2006 12:45 AM

Dear Texican,

Necessitas non habet legem means 'necessity knows no law' or in other words 'a man's got to do what a man's got to do'. The saying is attributed to Publilius Syrus who flourished as far as I can ascertain in the first century BC. There is a Wikipedia entry for him at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publilius_Syrus

and he's a character that I learnt about in school and sort of admire a bit.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at April 13, 2006 12:56 AM

Texican-- It means 'necessity knows no law'--from Dominic's posting above--about the only Latin I know other than-- omnia gallia in tres partes divisa est--or something like that--and the stuff on our money. Can read a spanish newspaper though so am not totally lost--even here in USA.

Posted by: bobalharb at April 13, 2006 1:00 AM

Thanks to both.

Posted by: Texican at April 13, 2006 1:04 AM

Dear Texican,

I love your sign off 'Freedom, the only choice at any cost'. That's just great. You should have been an Englishman, not a Texan. :)

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at April 13, 2006 1:24 AM

necessitasnonhabetlegem, Welcome to the fight for world civilization and the struggle against Jihad, Da'wa and dihimmitude.

There are millions who think like us and are ready to defend Western Culture and free the Muslim people from the trap of Islamic thought.

About the issue of Iran, is is a sad and horrible thing that the Mullahs will bring their people terrible suffering. We in the West must stop this now with overwhelming force before more people suffer.

AMartinez, many many Americans of Hispanic origon are revolted ny the blatant ant-Americanism of the immigration rallies.

I consider myself an American will stand by other fellow Americans to close the border and stop illegals.

Posted by: El Cid at April 13, 2006 2:19 AM

Hugh said

[Joseph Cirincione] was counselling, for all sorts of transparently absurd regions, that the American government refrain from attacking Iran.

Another of his reasons was that since Iran has just begun the first step of 10% enrichment, they are 4-5 years away from having enough enriched uranium to build a single bomb. Which is assuming: 1) that Ahmadinejad is telling the truth about how far their program has already gotten; 2) that A.Q. Kahn's trips to Iran after his supposed "house arrest" have not accelerated their development with the designs that Kahn stole from the URENCO nuclear facility in the Netherlands; 3) that the Chinese who previously assisted Kahn are not now assisting the Iranians; 4) that the Russians and Pakistanis are not now assisting the Iranians; 5) that the Iranians don't already have the facilities to massively scale up their enrichment process from a single centrifuge to thousands of them; and so on and so on.

He also gave the reason that the Islamic world would erupt in violence if we were to stop Iran's nuclear weapon program. We should allow them to develop WMD's because they are so violent.

Ironically, Cirincione's title is "Director for Non-Proliferation at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace". His self-defeating arguments will bring anything but peace to the world. His good intentions to avoid a conflict would only lead to a larger and more dangerous confrontation down the road.

Posted by: special_guest at April 13, 2006 2:20 AM

necessitasnonhabetlegem said

I am a gay Christian Englishman.

I am a hetero atheist Californian. Nice to meet you. One thing I like about the anti-jihad is the inclusiveness of it. The jihadists target women, gays, Christians, Jews, Hindis, polytheists, atheists, etc. etc. etc. We're all in this together, from every part of the political spectrum, from every nation.

Unlike you, I'm not yet ready to give my real name. One day the time will be right for me, but the non-jihadist world is still too fragmented and confused and unsure of itself, and too quick to label anti-jihadists as racists or "Islamophobes" whatever that is.

I like your Latin motto. My favorite motto is "Semper ubi sub ubi".

Posted by: special_guest at April 13, 2006 2:57 AM

Dominic-

Welcome aboard, and grab an oar!

A fan of P. Syrus myself, having discovered his works in the middle of my readings, starting at the pre-Socratics and working up to more recent philosophical heirs of his.

Always liked the thought:

"It is no profit to have learned well, if you neglect to do well."

And:

"The fear of death is more to be feared than death itself." (Reworked by Franklin D. Roosevelt in the 1930's.)

Plus, The Rolling Stones would have been without a name if he hadn't quipped the line about the moss.

His profound saying on Art is also worth remembering (which is why Islam despises representational Art):

"Art has a double face, of expression and illusion, just as Science has a twin countenance: the reality of error and the phantom of truth."

Can't forget one by your great countryman:

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."
-Winston Churchill.

Cheers.

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 13, 2006 2:57 AM

The only logical outcome of Iraq conflict is a bloody civil war culminating in the balkanization of Iraq.

Why should the U.S worry?

Two reasons: First if a full blown civil war erupts in Iraq, American troups will be caught in the cross fire as the favorite targets of both Shias and Sunnis.

Secondly, if American troops pull out of Iraq, who will fill the vacuum created by the U.S withdrawl---Iran.

That is why it is important to take care of the Mullas of Iran and their nukes first. After that if shias, Sunnis and Kurds fight with each other
in Iraq and the country falls apart, so be it .

Marco Polo.

Posted by: marco polo at April 13, 2006 4:37 AM

special_guest:

One thing I like about the anti-jihad is the inclusiveness of it. The jihadists target women, gays, Christians, Jews, Hindis, polytheists, atheists, etc. ... We're all in this together, from every part of the political spectrum, from every nation.

Yes. If every other belief, every other way of life, every other preference is targeted by these people, then we must stand together and become more accepting of the differences between the rest of us.

Interestingly, there's an indication this morning that the Chinese Government may be moderating its militant atheism:

China hosts first Buddhism forum

Needless to say, the Dalai Lama is not invited. But I suppose it's a start. The BBC adds: "China is trying to thaw relations with religious establishments, including the Vatican, our correspondent says."

As long as the Chinese Government keep in mind that Islam is a special case among "religions", as its doctrine is that it does not recognize any authority other than its own and, therefore, represents a tangible political threat wherever it gets a foothold.

But I'm sure they will know that.

Posted by: Yojimbo at April 13, 2006 5:10 AM

Swat the ping pong ball all day long... or play hot potato. ...or any number of child games. If there were REAL leaders, willing to be MORE than just right, we wouldn't have a thing to worry about, in reference to electrons, "another" civil war in the Middle East et al etc. No, I submit the REAL problem is governing through what "allies" think. Where's Winston? Where's Truman? Thatcher? The latter has more brass than ANY western leader does today. No, I submit the REAL problem is a loud sucking sound from the GALACTIC power vacuum in the western world. A pox on polls! (Psst, are these words "strong" enough Dr. Rice? I am glad you can speak many different languages, swell. ...but I haven't heard the most important language yet, that of LEADERSHIP. Bahh Humbug!)
...I think this new multi-polarity crap is just that, crap.

Posted by: SickBoy at April 13, 2006 1:05 PM

That is why it is important to take care of the Mullas of Iran and their nukes first. After that if shias, Sunnis and Kurds fight with each other
in Iraq and the country falls apart, so be it .

Marco Polo.
Take "care" of the mullahs, and their ready and willing followers whereever they are preaching their hatred - in the neighbourhood mosques, islamic centers, madrassas,their homes etc. etc.

Posted by: freetoBEfree at April 13, 2006 1:48 PM

US has first Muslim woman judge

WASHINGTON, April 12: An Arab-American from Detroit this week became the first Muslim woman to sit on a US federal court as judge.

Charlene Mekled Elder sits on the 3rd Circuit Court of Wayne County. Appointed by Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm, Ms Elder, 36, is the first Arab-American female judge in this circuit to speak Arabic fluently.

A US government press release says she is also the first female Muslim to hold a judicial position in the country. Judge Elder brings to the bench a solid legal background and a diverse upbringing. Wayne County has the largest concentration of Arab Americans outside the Middle East, roughly 350,000 and Michigan is home to approximately 400,000 citizens of Muslim faith.—Correspondent

GOD HELP US!

Posted by: freetoBEfree at April 13, 2006 1:50 PM

Am I the only one who is nervous that head of the IAEA is named Mohamed?

Posted by: Open Eyes at April 13, 2006 7:11 PM

I like your Latin motto. My favorite motto is "Semper ubi sub ubi".
Posted by: special_guest at April 13, 2006 02:57AM
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"always where under where"
or
"always wear underwear".

Do you?????????????

Posted by: Texican at April 13, 2006 8:36 PM

You should have been an Englishman, not a Texan. :)
Dominic.
Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at April 13, 2006 01:24 AM
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Does speaking english with a heavy Texas drawl count???

Posted by: Texican at April 13, 2006 8:39 PM