To qoute Bill Murray from "Ghostbusters;"

"I am going to send a fruit basket. I'm gonna miss him."

Posted by: Ironman Hondo at April 18, 2006 1:11 PM

Had he, had his family, had his brother-in-law, had all the many who warmly shared his views, and helped to raise or donated money themselves to the cause of mass murder of civilians as part of the Lesser Jihad (that against Israel) which in turn is merely part of the Greater Jihad (against all Infidels who resist Islam's spread everywhere), had they never been admitted into the United States in the first place, a great deal of expsense, time, and anguish might have been avoided.

Has a lesson been learned? Will Congress pass legislation to clearly prevent the further arrival, on these shores, of those whose belief-system unambiguously teaches them not to wish us well (unless of course you think getting us all to become Muslims, with all that that implies about the future of the American Constitution, and our other laws, customs, manners, freedoms, is "wishing us well").

There is no need for this. Coming to America is not a right but a great privilege. We do not need to permit into our midst, nor does any other Infidel country, anyone who believes that Muhammad is uswa hasana al-insan al-kamil, anyone who reads Sura 9 and takes it to heart, anyone who reads those hundred Jihad-passages in the Qur'an outside Sura 9, and the hundreds of Hadith in which, by his acts, by his sayings, by his silences, Muhammad offers a short course in hatred of the Infidel.

It's crazy not to recognize this. It's crazy to continue to torment ourselves all because some people are afraid to look closely at, and identify, what is staring them in the face.

Posted by: Hugh at April 18, 2006 1:12 PM

If I recall correctly it was Nicolas Kristof who affectionately referred to Al Arian as a "rumpled academic" in a column he wrote a few years ago in his defense.

If I recall correctly, clueless Kristof is also just about to win a Pulitzer Prize!

Posted by: Andrei Rublev at April 18, 2006 1:28 PM

It would be pretty sweet if there were some MOSAD agents waiting for him to arrive in "Palestine".

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at April 18, 2006 1:39 PM

Country singer Daryl Worley wrote a 9/11 song Have They Forgotten that may have been off the mark. Maybe nobody really gave a rat's ass at all as the dust settled on Battery Park.

The Dept. of Justice made the conscious decision to let an admitted and proved jihadist gets away with terror. The main reason he is getting away with it is that an agent of our national police, the FBI, named Gamal Abdel-Hafiz covered for him through a brazen act of insubordination and disloyalty. The FBI is setting the precedent that it's ok for Moslem employees to cover for terrorists. The MSM agrees with the FBI that disloyalty and insubordination are a-ok, but only in the case of Moslems, that is.

A few deep intellectual questions emerge from this fine outcome:

1) Has the FBI since promoted Gamal Abdel-Hafiz for his treason?

2) Has that scowling, easily offended Islamic the Hoop taken an office at FBI headquarters?

3) Who is paying for Sami's plane ticket?

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 18, 2006 2:02 PM

The biggest enemies we face as a nation right now are those representatives in Washington that continue to ignore their consituents. Too many learn no lessons from anything except the value of a dollar passed under the table.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 18, 2006 2:06 PM

Washington will never learn until the voters learn. Don't vote democrats or republicans, vote anti-encumbents. I mean every election. Until washington learns. Oh how I can dream.

Posted by: tiredofterror at April 18, 2006 2:11 PM

Hugh - Congress through Barney Frank wrote legislation to prevent ideology as reason to exclude anyone from the United States. Now we are reaping the whirlwind.

Posted by: epg at April 18, 2006 2:18 PM

Islamic Jihad’s stated aim is to wipe out the state of Israel and move on to establish the Caliphate through ostensibly violent means. As a member of this organisation he is a sworn enemy of all non-muslims.

Getting off lightly eh? being allowed to go on a trip to Egypt before carrying on the Jihad from Palestine territories? ... Truly astonishing.

Nice one Mr. Ape Pig.....

It would be pretty sweet if there were some MOSAD agents waiting for him to arrive in "Palestine".

Posted by: Turbinehead at April 18, 2006 2:27 PM

Congress through Barney Frank wrote legislation to prevent ideology as reason to exclude anyone from the United States. Now we are reaping the whirlwind.
Posted by: epg

Thats why pencils have erasers. Looks like its time to erase that mistake.

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at April 18, 2006 2:28 PM

Thanks Turbinehead.

It (sadly) won't happen, but a man (or Ape Pig) can dream can't he?

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at April 18, 2006 2:31 PM

Mr. Ape Pig

You are right...it won't happen 'cos it won't be allowed to happen.

Something to do with civilised values which the other side don't have. Not playng by their rules might be the death of us.

Posted by: Turbinehead at April 18, 2006 2:36 PM

Something to do with civilised values which the other side don't have. Not playng by their rules might be the death of us.

Sort of like fighting in bright red coats in the woods of North America. I understand the sentiment, but it doesn't seem like a strategy for success

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at April 18, 2006 2:41 PM

lol! I think we agree

Posted by: Turbinehead at April 18, 2006 2:51 PM

Hugh

I believe your analysis and conclusion are very valid, the prevention of Sami Al-Arian's type into our country would have certainly saved us expense.

I am however reminded of the quote from the Godfather
"keep your friend close , but keep your enemies closer"

I think that it is beneficial to us to be able to see these individuals and be able to mark them. A bit like tagging animals in the wild.

Therefore, despite the danger I feel letting them into the U.S. is still good policy.

Posted by: Peter at April 18, 2006 3:31 PM

Thought we might.

My apologies to British posters, it was the first analogy that popped into my head.

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at April 18, 2006 3:31 PM

I think that it is beneficial to us to be able to see these individuals and be able to mark them. A bit like tagging animals in the wild.

Therefore, despite the danger I feel letting them into the U.S. is still good policy.
Posted by: Peter

If we were literally tagging them I would agree, but since we aren't its a dangerous policy.

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at April 18, 2006 3:57 PM

3) Who is paying for Sami's plane ticket? Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer

APF

If it is a one way flight ticket terminating at Rafah, it's one bit of Jizia I don't mind paying.

Given the thousands (per head) already paid.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 18, 2006 5:19 PM

Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...
There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt,1907

Posted by: DNA Stray at April 18, 2006 6:00 PM

"I think that it is beneficial to us to be able to see these individuals and be able to mark them. A bit like tagging animals in the wild."
-- from a posting above

It is not "beneficial" to allow into Dar al-Harb Muslims in order to quickly, or slowly, sort them out, for so many reasons one hardly knows where to begin.

First, the mere presence of so many Muslims helps to spread Islam to non-Muslims in this country -- look at the relentless Da'wa being conducted in prisons, and especially among Hispanic females and black prisoners.

Second, the presence of Muslims in a non-Muslim society, where demands are made on that society to change its ways, and the free exercise by Infidels of their rights (starting with the right to mock in uninhibited fashion), creates an unsettled and unpleasant atmosphere, one where Infidels are constantly forced to justify their own laws, customs, manners, and also forced to endure relentless campaigns of propaganda directed at the most naive and unwary of Infidels.

Third, this notion of a handful of "individuals" whom we "identify" and "mark" -- for all the world as if this were simply an exercise in tracing the flights of migratory birds -- is crazy. How do we take people in to "identify" and "mark" them until they have done enough to be charged -- and many of them perhaps will never engage in any overt acts of terror or support of terror, but will certainly act to spread Islam, which is dangerous enough to the wellbeing of Infidels?

It is absolutely crazy for Infidels to admit into their midst those who so obviously are taught not to wish them well -- to wish them quite other than well. Whether or not all Muslims fully believe this, or believe it just a little bit, or fully believe it at first and then once they get here cease to believe it, or once they get here begin to believe it far more fanatically than they ever did before, is irrelevant. What counts is what is taught, not if those teachings take, or when precisely, in someone's life, those teachings take, but the fact of those teachings, those tenets, those attitudes, those atomspherics.

The United States, Europe -- these are not little experimental stations where we are to gather data on how Muslims behave and then "tag" them accordingly. Look around the world. Look at Thailand, India, Indonesia, France, the Philippines, the Sudan, Nigeria. Look at the Balkans, look at the Caucasus. We should be able at this point to identify the source of the problem, and to take the most minimal measures of self-preservation -- which must include halting, and reversing, the Muslim presence all over the Western world.

We, too, have rights. We are entitled to our own laws, customs, and ways. We do not owe Muslims the "right" to enter our country. We owe them nothing.

Posted by: Hugh at April 18, 2006 6:07 PM

Hugh-

"We owe them nothing."

I'd be willing to chip in for a nice parting gift.

Just out of the goodness of my heart.

Maybe a tin of Danish cookies and an Arabic copy of Freud's "The Future of an Illusion"?

And lots of waving as their planes took off.

One by one by one...

[insert Kufic symbol for infinity here]

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/kufic.html

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 18, 2006 6:55 PM

Hugh: "We owe them nothing."

I'd like to add the above poster's dissent . . . surely we can think of parting gifts. How's this for a Sami list:

1. 100 Jews in Sports.
2. The Revolt . . . by M Begin
3. Exodus . . . by L Uris
4. 24 . . . pick your season--I think Season 4 was the best . . .
5. Sleeper Cell . . . Season 1 on Showtime
6. The Greatest columns of Hugh Fitzgerald
7. An signed copy of Robert Spencer's latest(with the piggie)
8. Yentl DVD with Babs.
9. How about Barrie Manilov's 50's hits(torture for anybody).
10. A NYC Cheesecake from Carnegie Deli.

Posted by: biorabbi at April 18, 2006 7:20 PM

We should "insert" a GPS tracking device into the "old professor" and keep track of all the places he goes, and people he meets with. Then we can let the MOSAD pay all of them a visit! This goes for the Guantanamo punks too! But we could let the SEAL's handle them and their friends.

Posted by: crusader619 at April 18, 2006 7:41 PM

All,

A few days ago, I returned from a multinational military training operation in Europe. Interestingly, in my discussions with officers from various Western European Nations (particularly Netherlands and Germany), most seem to understand the issue of demographics and the Islamization of Europe. The negative birthrate among Europeans and explosion among Islamic immigrants. These officers are all university-educated and therefore near the category of "elite" in Europe. They are quite aware of Da'wa and Jihad and many of the issues we discuss. Unfortunately, political correctness has a stranglehold over European public discourse. Therefore, the "truth" of Islam remains a closed door discussion. However, the point is that some "elite" Europeans are on to the truth.

We must continue the information campaign until the Islam discussion comes fully into the open.

On a side note: Flying back to the states, I had to take a taxi (in New York) from JFK to La Guardia. Most of the taxi drivers at JFK were clearly/openly Muslim. Our designated taxi driver had verses praising "allah" throughouth the passenger compartment of his vehicle. Of course the verses were the the BS "peace" type stuff. He had Muslim icons, Koran, etc. Muslim headgear, beard, and mean look. I thought about the many ignorant passengers who may be suckered into the "peace" garbage about Islam. This guy had the ultimate platform for Da'wa. As President Bush reinforced Islam=peace, many would not know any better.

Now, imagine if an official airport taxi were to have sectarian Christian prayers all over the passenger compartment. Imagine if someone was as "in your face" with non-Muslim religious prosyletizing. The answer is you cannot imagine. The ACLU would be all over the perceived violation Church/state separation. No problem with Islam though. Think: Over 4 years after 3,000 Americans were murdered in New York by those acting for "Allah". New York is allowing the massive Da'wa effort. What will it take? A nuclear attack? Are New Yorkers that weak and stupid?

Posted by: hello123 at April 18, 2006 9:34 PM

I've said time and time again that we perform a little operation on jailed Muslims and install a GPS device in the base of their brains. Combine that with a small explosive device and when too many of these jihadists on the loose congregate too close to an area of importance or one considered vulnerable to attacks, we detonate a few.

Imagine the surprised looks on the faces of a few angry individuals as one ...two ...three members of their group's heads just explode before their very eyes. Another ...another ...the next thing you know, you'll start having a few with anti-American sentiments begin to change their tune, wondering if perhaps they've upset Allah by their actions...

Posted by: illustr8rg8r at April 18, 2006 9:57 PM

New York is allowing the massive Da'wa effort. What will it take? A nuclear attack? Are New Yorkers that weak and stupid?
Posted by: hello123 at April 18, 2006 09:34 PM
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A guest on Fox News this evening stated that the US will be nuke probably in the next two years, but no longer than five years out since we have not protected our borders.

If an Iranian level nuke is set off in NYC: 500,000 dead

If an advanced nuke set off in NYC: 2 to 4 million dead.

If two advanced nukes set off in NYC: total death in the greater NYC area.

Nukes will be going off in America since Bush and the Republican Congress have failed and refused to shut down our borders and protect America and Americans from invasion and terrorists.

Are you prepared???
Are you armed???
Are you ready???

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at April 18, 2006 10:23 PM

today while shopping in a grocery store I noticed an old lady that I would think was about 80 years old. Kind and gentle, she said hello to me on her way bye, it was so nice to see such a lovely elderly lady still out shopping in our free society.

I thought about that lady and wondered what it was like some 65 years ago when this mad tyrant Hitler was running rampant throughout Europe, did she lose a loved one in WW2, a brother, dad or classmate...?

Sometimes I wonder if our leaders realize that by always choosing the Political Correctness of the day, they are giving up tommorrow...

Do they realize that their choices, (and ours in electing them) are changing our society by allowing an alien culture very much different than ours into our society. If they do not, then why not? is it the PC that has them running for cover from the Bad Press from the media scourge that would follow if they just stood up and said: America, love her or leave her, but leave our freedom alone or beware of our fortitude.

Nope, Churchill is long gone, God bless him, Rosevelt is long gone, God bless him.

We are left to deal... what would they have done? With these teachers that raise money for terror, with Imans that preace hate against the very society that gives them the freedom to preach..

A clock now ticks my friends... a clock now ticks...

God bless America and the free West!

Posted by: winston at April 18, 2006 10:41 PM

Swedish Chancellor of Justice calls "open season on Swedish Jews":

Swedish Chancellor of Justice: Muslim calls for “Death to Jews” are just part of the debate on the Middle East.

Earlier this year Swedish Chancellor of Justice Mr Göran Lambertz decided to discontinue his department’s pre-trial investigation into the Grand Mosque of Stockholm, where audio cassettes with highly inflammatory anti-Semitic content were being sold. After Swedish radio programme Dagens Eko unveiled the contents of the cassettes in November 2005, a charge of racial incitement was filed with the police against the Stockholm mosque.

The Swedish Chancellor of Justice responded by closing the pre-trial investigation ...

The international media might want to put a question or two on this subject to Swedish Chancellor of Justice Mr Göran Lambertz, email registrator@justitiekanslern.se, phone +46 8 4051000. Postal address: Birger Jarls Torg 12, Box 2308, 103 17 Stockholm, Sweden.

http://www.upprop.net/pressrelease.php?lang=eng

via

http://www.westernresistance.com/

Well, I guess this is the country that was happy to supply Adolf Hitler with steel for his war machine ...

BTW, the Nazi archives dealing with the concentration camps have been opened:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4921098.stm

There will be a new one, if we don't call a halt to the behaviour of people like Mr Göran Lambertz now.

Posted by: Yojimbo at April 19, 2006 3:23 AM

I don't know about the rest of you, but after one nuke goes off in this country, my fuse is going to finally burn out.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 19, 2006 3:24 AM

Mine too!

Posted by: crusader619 at April 19, 2006 4:30 PM

My fuse has gone off and is burning.

Posted by: Texican at April 19, 2006 7:51 PM