LOL!!!

So much for 'nation building' a la Bush!

Fight the Taliban in order to institute Sharia-law ? Where is the brain-police?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 19, 2006 7:49 AM

The mandate (in their eyes) is clear.....Islam and sharia are the balance that will hold Agfan together.

Not for them the luxary of democracy...their friend is the RPG , their law is sharia.

And so they will spread...bit by bit ... a little into Russia, a little bit into Pak etc.

Every so often one of them will go Amrika too ...and start a sleeper cell there too.

Look out for loudspeakers, minerates and the odd beard and afgan quisine.

Posted by: Naseem at April 19, 2006 7:53 AM

The only option I see is for the armed forces of the western nations fully occupy afghanistan, subdue them and colonize them for at least two generations and teach them civilized life.

Posted by: The Pig Loving Maldivian at April 19, 2006 8:57 AM

The Pig Loving Maldivian says "colonize them for at least two generations and teach them civilized life".

So when are you moving then?

Posted by: Naseem at April 19, 2006 9:15 AM

The headline above appears to be inaccurate.

The provinces stated to be under Taliban control are within Pakistan. But not to worry. Our partner in the War on Terror has it under control.

Naseem:

Does your husband know how you tease infidels over the internet? Take care, O Naughty One, lest your husband exercise his righteous indignation over you and you (Heaven forbid, but Allah probably not) see stars and birdies circling the minarets you envision for the West. Hath not your prophet declared such chastisement just and Hell to be filled mostly with women?

Posted by: Chatillon at April 19, 2006 9:33 AM

-Naseem

Still spelled "America". I realize that you may be brain damaged from reading that filth manual you call the qur'an, but at least look it up in an atlas if you're unsure.

Intentionally misspelling the name doesn't make you look clever or cute, just smug and out of touch with the reality of the world. Face facts. You mohammedans have spread about as far as you're going to. Breeding like rodents won't help. Infidels are better than mohammedans at everything. Art, literature, science, and killing. We can take care of your numbers. Crack a history book if you can. Americans have given up certain rights in the past for limited periods of time in order to snuff out their enemies.

For your sake, wake up. Wake up before you find Infidel soldiers at your door with guns and a flamethrower, forcing you to watch them torch your house before they shoot you. Keep pushing, the West will push back. Other posters have made the point in the past that what America and its allies have done in Iraq and Afghanistan is barely a pale shadow of what it did to Germany in just the last century. Those were people with whom we had alot more in common than we do with mohammedans.

You can't imagine the horror of the war machine that the West can unleash on you people. Pray to your god that you will never have to. Knock off the "peaceful dawa" crap while you're at it. You know that too many of you people can't help themselves and can't resist murduring for allah. Every time one of you savages does that, non-mohammedans wake up just a little more.

Posted by: Eisenhund at April 19, 2006 9:36 AM

al Qaeda notwithstanding, I'm not so sure that a return to power of the Taliban would make such a difference. Main problem here is Islam, but I believe that Afghanistan may be one of the last countries in the world to abandon Islam, when it happens.

Eisenhund (and anyone else, for that matter yet to post), ignore Naseem. She is a major distraction from the important issues that are being discussed, and not worth our attention. I think that Hugh's reason for having her on as an example of the best that can be expected of Muslims has come and gone, since it's not even obvious anymore who's posting - one post, she calls for increased vigilance in the West and sympathizes with her Christian namesake who's in trouble, and in another, she boasts about Islam taking over the world. And unlike mainstream Muslims, for whom all anti-Islamists are Zionists, for her, they are Brahmins - see her last but one post on the Jerusalem as Caliphate capital thread.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/011052.php#comments

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 19, 2006 9:52 AM

-Infidel Pride

heh... You are right. However, it is fun to counter her(?) b.s. Notice too, whoever it was who posted under her name on that post slipped up and spelled the nation's name correctly.

Concerning her comments about brahmins, remember mohammedans are usually most jealous and hateful of whoever is closest to remind them of their inferiority. For the Arabs illegally infesting Gaza and Samaria, its the Israelis/Jews. For the Pakis, its the Indians who've not been infected with that qur'anian psycho-virus.

As to responding to Naseem, much as you were writing in your second paragraph, my posts addressing her also go out to any islamo-trolls who might flit by.

Posted by: Eisenhund at April 19, 2006 10:23 AM

"The only option I see is for the armed forces of the western nations fully occupy afghanistan, subdue them and colonize them for at least two generations and teach them civilized life."
-- from a posting above

Absolutely not. That would end, once and for all, any chance of sensible support, within the Western world, for dealing with the world-wide Jihad, and especially with the problems of Da'wa and demographic conquest within the Western world. What happens in Europe is far more important than whether primitive tribesmen, who will hardly be weaned away from Islam by Infidels, fight with each other or do not fight with each other.

The Pentagon should right now be arranging only to supply local warlords who may, in promoting themselves, do our bidding. Let Afghanistan collapse into warring fiefdoms; as long as those warlords keep Al Qaeda and the Taliban at bay -- and they can, if supplied with weaponry, and on the ground only Afghanis or others of interest (for example, soldiers from Tadjikistan) with others also worried about the Taliban supplying what they can (e.g. Kazakhstan might help with American bases for the odd bombing run, and with some of that oil money as well).

Resources must be husbanded, not squandered. The American public will lose all interest -- the very interest it has been so hard to sustain -- in fighting a war of self-defense against the Jihad, if the American army is now deployed in large numbers to Afghanistan. In fact, the Infidel presence in Afghanistan should be reduced to the point of near-nothingness. As long as America is seen as the source of money, money, money (as it is seen in Iraq), plausible locals will insist on the Americans remaining, and doing much of the fighting, and all this ridiculous "rebuilding" which has nothing to do with limiting the poower of Islam.

The entire effort should be to limit contacts between Muslims and Infidels. We can only lose, only become confused, only begin to think that maybe these are perfectly rational and trustworthy people. We, the Infidels, and especially the naive Americans, are permanently out of our depth, dealing with those for whom smiles and deception are a way of life.

Instead, work to divide and demoralzie Islam, only by pointing out the obvious: for example, pointing out all the ways in which Islam is a vehicle for an Arab supremacist ideology, one which requires non-Arabs to exhibit a kind of historical amnesia about, or indifference to, or contempt for, all that is pre-Islamic about their past.

By refusing to help -- helping with the Jizyah of foreign aid, helping with all that rebuilding -- Infidels can do more to help themselves, and in the end, help those who through no fault of their own were born into Islam. Let them discover, over the next many decades, what it is about the inshallah-fatalism of Islam, the habit of mental submission that is encouraged by Islam, the willingness to endure despotism because in Islam political power can not be located in the will of mere people, but only in the Will of Allah, as codified in the Shari'a or Holy Law of Islam, which mere mortals, men who count for nothing except to the extent that they submit to the revealed will of Allah, can only hope to approximate.

Let Muslims begin, slowly (as Ataturk did, as others have) to understand that all of their political, economic, social, intellectual, and moral failures, of their states, of their societies, wheter in Dar al-Islam or Dar al-Harb, are a direct result of Islam itself.

That cannot be imposed by Infidel armies. That cna best occur by limiting contacts with Muslim countries, by not helping them out, by forcing them to help each other out, or to dissolve into internecine warfare, Muslim against Muslim.

Meanwhile, as that spectacle of internecine warfare and endless cruelty is on display, even those in Western Europe who have lost all sense of themselves, and who have permitted themselves to allow their own worst mental pathologies -- anti-Americanism and antisemitism -- be exploited cleverly by an army of Muslims and of ideological collaborators, or simply venal Western hirelings of Muslim states and interests -- to undo and reverse those intellectual and moral errors of their own.

Posted by: Hugh at April 19, 2006 10:48 AM

Oh Nazz;

Why are you always speaking of that impossible dream of Islime taking rule in the United States?
Don't you know that will never happen? Can't happen? You need to reread Eisenhund's post. Islime can't take root in the United States because we'll kill it before the politicians let it slip in. You keep forgetting, "We the People" have a little thing called the 2nd Amendment that will help to keep your dream/our nightmare from coming true.

Eisenhund;
Let Nazz misspell America all she wants. She'll learn to spell it correctly soon enough.

Freedom, It maybe free,
But it aint cheap!!!

Posted by: Ironman Hondo at April 19, 2006 10:52 AM

Hugh,
My opinion about occupation and colonization is only about Afghanistan and also because their opium is flooding the world.
The little nation of Maldives, population 285,000 has an estimated 30,000 heroin users.

I am enlightened by your response.
Many thanks.

Posted by: The Pig Loving Maldivian at April 19, 2006 11:16 AM

Infedel pride ....why so much hate? Are you a bramin?

The nature & inherent cunning of the bramin has been there long before we muslims came on the scene. Wasn't it them who bastardised indian society be inventing the caste system.

"Oh, don't worry it simply catologues who does what". And then soon, no you are a sweeper...you can't use the same waterhole/well as us....and oh no you cannot have access to god...you have to go through us ...etc etc.

Bramins have held back indian society for millenia...but LOL bramins fail to see that for themselves.

As a counter-balance, Allah sent his favoured peoples to India ...and India now has a rich history as a result...and a modern prominent neighbor such as Pakistan ...with whom there are enormous trade links.

Truly India today is cosmopolitan with muslims playing their part, India is much richer for having this fine counter-balance to bramins, who would have taken it in an unfavourable direction.

Posted by: Naseem at April 19, 2006 11:40 AM

yes! finally someone is talking about Waziristan!

thank you!

Posted by: jehana at April 19, 2006 2:15 PM

Naseem is right, they have moved to Pakistan and are looking to undermine Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf by gaining support in tribal areas.

This area is also believed to be the current headquarters of Al-Qaeda, who is currently working on the following netorking strategy, according to Asia Times:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HA21Df02.html

It is unclear whether they will be able to organize the Afghanistan Taliban, despite their bold claims. For geopolitical reasons Afghanis have lived in a war zone for hundreds of years. They have evolved to follow whichever side seems to be the most likely to win, as can be seen in the ease in which the US ousted the Taliban in 2001.

20 years ago, under President Reagan, the CIA was able to succesfully organize the mujahideen to fight the Soviets, and at that time their madrassas all praised the USA. Why is President Bush unable to do something similar today?

Posted by: jehana at April 19, 2006 2:44 PM

Naseem,

No, I'm not a Brahman - and I don't care one way or another as to which caste I am. I don't know what gave you the idea that Quantum Infidel, who's not me, is one either. But a few things worth noting, for what it's worth

1. My not being a Brahman has nothing to do with whether or not I despise religious or casteist stereotyping. I'm not a Jew, but I'd defend any Jew who comes under attack from your illustrious co-cultists. (In fact, while I admire Jews because of everything they have achieved as a people, I love them even more because Muslims loathe them (not that I'd otherwise stop.))
   
2. Similarly, simply because I'm not a Brahman doesn't mean that if I see them being attacked, I'll ignore it. I won't respond, because it's not worth responding to, but it will be noted for reference whenever you try to raise sympathy for your ilk in Pakland.
   
3. I don't hate you. I just think that most of your posts are a juvenile and petulant attempt to distract posters from the serious threats emanating from Islam. If you were someone open about it (like Mohideen), I wouldn't mind, but with all the contradictory opinions, it's not worth taking you seriously. But that's not the same as hating you. But responding to your triumphantalist posts is a waste of time and space.

I do loathe Islam, and all Muslims who follow it seriously. I have the utmost respect for those with the sense to jettison it, like Ali Sina and profitsbeard. I do pity you, given that mainstream Muslims don't recognize Ahmadiyas as Muslims, and yet you do what you can to proclaim your Islamicity, and have the rest of the world recognize you as such. And then you talk about self-respect, Sikhs and Brahmans.

Okay, I recognize you as Muslim. So what?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 19, 2006 2:46 PM

Naseem's description of the twisted jungle of tribal and religious hatreds in India and elsewhere is exactly what is in store for the U.S. This kind of poison seems to be very important to the cult of islam and it's variants. I wish none to discourage their posts as it offers a first hand look at the way they view the world and those around them. This is what helps to educate and motivate me and hopefully others here. I think I am tough in some ways but the realization that a large section of humanity thinks the way they do makes my stomach sink sometimes. It's a little like my first viewing of an autopsy.

Posted by: pismopal at April 20, 2006 10:24 AM