How much of it is due to death and destruction at the hands of the IDF that this woman has actually witnessed vs decades of propaganda delivered via PLO/PA media and the mosques can only be guessed at. The iconic Mohammed Al-Durrah has proven to be an extremely embarassing fraud for the French TV network that first broadcast the notorious footage and the grossly exagerated stories about Jenin are but two examples. I am sure there are many more.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at April 19, 2006 4:19 PM

ok, here's the question. The Bible (I think in Isaia, however spelled) forbids Jews or Christians from punishing others for the crime of one. but as suicide bombings become more prevalent, at some point secular folks will ask: "Wouldn't killing the relatives act as a deterrent?" maybe at some point is many years in the future; and only when countries other than israel become major targets.

the glories of islam.

Posted by: StillBreathing at April 19, 2006 4:20 PM

She should suffer. And suffer greatly. Not for her son, though. For all the innocents.

Her son is a murderer. She is an accomplice. I'm sure she egged him on. She brought him into the world for one reason. Not to love. Not to raise him to become a good citizen. Not for grandchildren.

She bore him to murder innocent people.

Posted by: freewoman at April 19, 2006 4:57 PM

waterdragon52

"How much of it is due to death and destruction at the hands of the IDF that this woman has actually witnessed vs decades of propaganda delivered via PLO/PA media and the mosques can only be guessed at"

You make a very very important point here !

I remember the Al Durrah incident and how it was potrayed on TV.
At first, the visual evidence as reported by the cameraman seemed to blame the IDF, but it in the end it was simply not true or at least there was so many descrepancies regarding the report that one simply could not believe what was being potrayed.

I am glad you have brought this issue up, because the aftermath of this incident caused a lot of Isreali deaths plus reprisal killings in the west (as a result of fatwas being issued), The truth of what really occurred, now seems less importnant and all of this subsequent violence is based on an untruth.

It is staggering to read just how contrived some of these reports made by Palastinians truly are.

Posted by: Peter at April 19, 2006 5:24 PM

Right-on freewoman!!! I completely agree!!!

Posted by: champ at April 19, 2006 5:33 PM

"...It is staggering to read just how contrived some of these reports made by Palastinians truly are." said Peter.

How true that is. The horrendous sites of arab corpses being carried on stretcher to the Jenin burial grounds, being dropped, and a live person scurrying back on the stretcher is vulgar beyond belief.

May I suggest two cd's to purchase to get the real flavor of the scurrilousness not only of the arabs, but of the complicit western media.

Jenin- Massacring the Truth- Martin Himmel is well worth the small price. He was a tank commander, and now a florist or something. A decent intelligent man. Not only was he there, he goes over the evidence and takes the videos of the lies toall those lying creeps in London, and paris, and the arab media and confronts them personally with the evidence. Google his name for the address, and or look under Global Television- they produced it.

Another is by Pierre Rehov, the Road to Jenin, another unbelievable factual uncovering of the utterly lying depiction of the jews as purpetrators when the arabs specifically designed the place and the event to be just that.

Mark

Posted by: mgoldberg at April 19, 2006 6:16 PM

The mother of a "Palestinian" man who killed 9 people eating food at a falafel stand said

I have seen their soldiers killing our children and destroying our home, making everything bad, so how can I see them sympathetically or kindly?

And likewise, how can the West continue to have the slightest bit of sympathy for people like her, who praise mass murderers and vote overwhelmingly for terrorist organizations like Hamas? The jihad comes not only from the "few radicals" at the top of Hamas' leadership. The jihad also comes from people like her, in other words the majority of the "Palestinian" people. This will not end well for the "Palestinians", and it won't bother me in the slightest.

Posted by: special_guest at April 19, 2006 6:52 PM

The so-called "Palestinian" people are on the verge of being completely destroyed by their own conflagration. There are none among them who are worthy to live in a civil society. They are beneath barbaric. They will be destroyed, and only the wicked in the world will care.

Posted by: yohannbiimu at April 19, 2006 6:54 PM

"She should suffer. And suffer greatly. Not for her son, though. For all the innocents..."

I could not have put it better myself, Freewoman.

This woman's son was a cold blooded murderer and no hero. He made a conscious choice to kill innocents moments before his death.

By pushing the button, he gave up. He quit on life and he was too much of a coward to die alone.

My deepest sympathy for the victims of this hollow soul.

Posted by: Ironwolf32 at April 19, 2006 7:08 PM

Oh wow what a moving tribute....NOT!
Another article somewhere said one Mother, and I use the term very loosely, sent 3 of her sons to bomb Israelis. A new sitcom comes to mind ....My Three Sons...that are dead. BOO freakin hoo.

Posted by: Siciliano at April 19, 2006 7:43 PM

Is it widely understood among the "Palestinians" themselves that they are merely pawns in the wider Arab-Muslim jihad against Israel? They must know the contempt with which they are personally - as individual human beings - held by their Muslim brethren given the refusal of the surrounding Arab states to voluntarily absorb any of these people into their vast vast territories and provide them with a more decent life. Or don't they get this obvious fact? They must be aware of the fact that Israel, with its tiny territory, has taken in all Jewish peoples in need and in distress. Doesn't that grate on them - knowing that fact and knowing that their Arab Muslims refuse to do the same thing for them?

Do they notice that they are also held in utter contempt by their western "friends", who if they really cared about these people would mount an international outcry for them to be reabsorbed into the surrounding Arab nations. If their western friends gave a hoot about them they would demand it. What don't the Pali's get about this? They must see the evidence that it is the Israeli's themselves (who give them jobs and treat them at their hospitals and so forth, even despite the Pali's murderous hostility towards them) who are the only people on the face of the planet who really and truly give a damn about these people - the only people who aren't manipulating them for political (Islam included in reference to "political") ends.

Posted by: Caroline at April 19, 2006 7:45 PM

See, even though I am muslim I cannot see this man's point of view. At 17, is this it?

I think that Infedel aid to the Pals is the best kept secret around. I'll bet that this 17 year old didn't know anything about it.

I think this can only hurt the pals....but they do not see it that way...it is their way of life, what a waste!

My condolences to the families of all the peoples who got murdered. He is gone but perhaps his family should be put on trial.

Posted by: Naseem at April 19, 2006 9:12 PM

one humane method would be take the family of the homicide suicide bomber and drop them some surroundingarab country. ie sudan, etc. show them the door outside of the country.. and cannot come back. that way they know their families will never return. its not good enough to destroy their homes, when they are compensated by hammas's friends.
Caroline, l completely agree with you the that PA people must inside be so much in despair knowing their arab brothers cannot seem to take them like the Israelis have done with all Jeww from around the world. that is one of the major differnece in cultures. one is corrupt, uses its own people, chidren, the other is superior and value's its own!

Posted by: Lulu at April 19, 2006 9:13 PM

Caroline: You have made an interesting point. But I believe that what you have written about the 'Palestinians' goes for all Muslims.

From an analytical standpoint (as far as I can see), the Palestinian-Israel conflict is quite similar to just about every other islam-infidel conflict on earth. The details vary here and there but it's the same theme over and over and over. Which is namely that mujahidin armies are illegally entering an 'infidel' land and (genocidally) forcing Islam on people who don't want it. Muslim lives are there to be used for the killing of infidels. And Islamic 'clerics' think nothing of it as they slaughter their own people to attain their conquest of places like Israel. Hence the endless rounds of Islamic-perpetrated slaughter we call 'terrorism'.

It seems this so-called 'religion' wants even its own members dead much more than it wants them alive! And, alas,Muslims are mostly so dehumanized, so zombie-ized by Islamic ideological indoctrination techniques they are completely unable to perceive this at all. Slaughtering non-Muslims is as normal to them as wearing a watch is to us.

Evidence, perhaps, that it really was Lucifer, determined to destroy the creation of Yahweh once and for all, using this so-called "religion" that mimics the religions that DO worship Yahweh but is instead designed to destroy them along with the remainder of humanity and earth?

Posted by: pythagoras at April 19, 2006 9:18 PM

Caroline...
That's exactly what it says in the book
JUDGEMENT DAY by Dave Hunt.
The Saudis have played pawns with the Palis and they are the lowest on the Islamic scale. The Saudis send them in to do their dirty work.

Posted by: Siciliano at April 19, 2006 9:20 PM

Naseem wrote:

"...it is their way of life, what a waste!"

It is a waste, but it is the will of the Islamic Middle East that this "way of life" continues to be propagated. It is the will of the majority of Muslims in the world that this "way of life" continues to be propagated.

The irony is that "their way of life" is death. Their entire culture is centered upon killing themselves in order to bring death and destruction upon other people. Their "way of life" is a daily digestion of lies and propaganda that tell them that Jews are the most dispicable creatures on Earth, and it is their duty, nay, their LOVING HONOR TO ALLAH to strap bombs to themselves, and detonate them in order to destroy their "enemy" and themselves in the process.

The "Palestinian way of life" is Islam. It is institutionalized by the entire Islamic Middle Eastern region. Don't bother me with what the Koran says, because that will never matter to me as long as the Islamic nations of the world continue to sponsor this "way of life."

Islam: The way of life that is the way to death.

Posted by: yohannbiimu at April 19, 2006 9:46 PM

pythagoras: "Evidence, perhaps, that it really was Lucifer...."

Siciliano: "That's exactly what it says in the book
JUDGEMENT DAY by Dave Hunt."

Haven't read that book, Siciliano, but I was informed by profitsbeard on a previous thread that there are 6,666 verses in the Koran. I don't normally go in for this sort of thing but does the Koran itself bear the mark of the beast?

"They worshiped the beast... there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies... and he causes all, both great and small, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark"

The forehead thing is interesting, seeing as how Muslims touch their foreheads to the ground 5 times a day. As to the right hand, is it favored in Muslim prayer?

Sorry. Probably not a good idea to go there. Just sort of curious is all...

Posted by: Caroline at April 19, 2006 10:10 PM

Caroline-- the right hand is for Allah, across the board.

That said, I'm a happily left-handed infidel. ;)

Posted by: Shinoliite at April 19, 2006 10:16 PM

This woman should be made to exchange sentiments of grief with the mothers of her son's murderous act.

Her son is not a martyr. He is a mass murderer and she should be told as much. She has not raised a human being. She has whelped a monster.

Posted by: Chatillon at April 19, 2006 10:59 PM

Naseem said -

"He is gone but perhaps his family should be put on trial"

I completely agree! The mother of this young man is admitting that she supported her son murdering innocent people - she should be prosecuted!!

Peace my friend, Naseem!

Posted by: champ at April 19, 2006 11:08 PM

Caroline wrote:

""They worshiped the beast... there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies... and he causes all, both great and small, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand"

Two words are particularly important here, these are RECEIVE and MARK.

RECEIVE (Strongs 1325) is the Greek "didomi", and MARK (Strongs 5480) is the Greek "charagma".

Didomi is usually translated as "to give" (ie., not RECEIVE), and "charagma" means both a mark, and also a carved, idolatrous image. An alternative translation then could be "and he caused all..... to give a carved/graven idolatrous image...".

I wonder if this is a reference to Jizyah? I read somewhere that this is paid using a special carved token as an act of submission. This carved token is defined somewhere in the Islamic texts by its weight, which is measured against a set amount of barley and wheat - see Rev 6.6.

Posted by: Ozi_bloke at April 20, 2006 8:12 AM

Peter:

the al-Durrah hoax (it was proven that the IDF forces would have had to be using bullets that would make 90 degree turns to have hit him, if, indeed either father or son were shot -- no blood and the only death recorded that day in the local hospitals was that of a 6 year old from disease) and the Jenin lie have contined to resonate in the minds of jihaddists and their sympathizers because the images and lies are still in circulation, and in the most unbelievable quarters as well. Right now, I'm considering dropping my subscription to the Canadian Jewish News because an idiot reporter, covering a "Jewish - Palestinian Peace" film festival that hosted the creep who directed "Jenin, Jenin" was an honoured guest whose film "set tongues wagging in Israel". Tongues wagging? Omer Bakri admitted that he was funded by the PA and that he himself didn't know if he was being told the truth by the "witnesses". And never mind the fact that the legend of 500 Palestinian civilian deaths was totally debunked by fact. 50 Palestinian deaths, virtually all armed combatants, and nearly 30 IDF deaths as a result of the careful house-to-house search conducted by the Israelis.

Nonie Darwish and Brigitte Gabriel tell it like it is. They are raised on hatred. They receive it in their mothers' milk. That's how you produce these earth-bound kamekazees, not by subjecting them to careful searches at checkpoints to see if they are carrying weapons. That's a defensive technique, not an offensive technique, though it's been cast as a "humiliation".

Posted by: waterdragon52 at April 20, 2006 8:23 AM

“I have seen their soldiers killing our children and destroying our home, making everything bad, so how can I see them sympathetically or kindly?”

Likewise I will not be sympathetic for her when, inshallah, an Israeli bulldozer crushes her terrorist mud hut.

Posted by: Kuffir at April 20, 2006 1:36 PM

Kuffir:

What this martyr's mother doesn't acknowledge is the extent to which the glorious freedom fighters use schoolchildren as human shields, actively, during attacks, or by using schools as bomb-manufacturing facilities that might accidentally blow up.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at April 21, 2006 8:23 AM

I wonder if there are people in the Middle East who have traces of cro-Magnon blood in them. This woman perhaps. Is there any way of testing this out?

Could it be that Islam has roots in Neanderthal or Cro-magnon man? THEY might have appresiated people like this woman and her son...

Posted by: pythagoras at April 22, 2006 5:32 PM