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Friday sermons from around the Islamic world used to be circulated fairly regularly by MEMRI and others; you can search the archives here and find some hair-raising examples. But in recent months few have come to light; apparently someone in the PR department realized just how damaging the publication of these sermons in the West was to the jihad cause.
Now, however, Der Spiegel (thanks to JS) has published a full-length piece, "What Muslims Hear at Friday Prayers." The Spiegel editors seem uncomfortable with what they have found, and engage in some despicable (and entirely unsupported by any evidence) moral equivalence, saying this a few sentences after they quoted the Abu Hamza statement that I posted as the headline here: "But surely such examples of narrow-mindedness can be found in any major religion or creed."
Oh really? Then produce such examples, please. Let us see a Spiegel report on Christian, Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu preachers calling for the murders of women who they deem to be not dressed properly. Let us hear about the Christian preachers who say, "This is a sign, you faithful, that your battle with the Jews is still a long way from coming to an end." Tell us about the Jewish and Christian congregations that chant "Death to Iran!" or death to anyone.
Nonetheless, despite this absurdity, the Spiegel report is illuminating:
Radical preachers have actively contributed to this impression. In a Berlin mosque, a television crew secretly recorded the sermon of a Turkish imam who described the Germans as godless and railed against what their alleged stench. In London, hate preacher Abu Hamza al-Masri called upon the faithful to murder female tourists in his native Egypt, saying: "If a woman, even a Muslim woman, is naked and you have no way of covering her up, it is legitimate to kill her."Other agents of the Koran speak moderately when addressing Western audiences, but their words turn decidedly more radical when directed towards Muslims. In an interview with SPIEGEL, television imam Yusuf al-Qaradawi, perhaps currently one of the most influential Islamic scholars around, magnanimously conceded that there is also room in heaven for devout Christians and Jews. But on his Arab-language website a short time later, he made it clear that he believes that Christians and Jews are ultimately nothing more than infidels....
Whereas imams in places like Istanbul and Jakarta tended to devote their sermons to theological exegesis, Friday prayers in Pakistan, Iran and the Gaza Strip were markedly more political. In these places, religious scholars whipped their listeners into a holy frenzy and drew a sharp line between the Dar al-Islam, or House of Islam, and the Dar al-Harb, or House of War -- the two spheres into which schools of Islamic legal thought have divided the world....
In Peshawar, Pakistan, Maulana Khalil Ahmad compared the world's monotheistic religions and -- perhaps not surprisingly -- praised Islam as being the most complete of them all: "Contradictions prevail, especially in Christianity and Judaism, as well as in Communism." But that was mild compared with the sermon his fellow local imam Abd al-Akbar Chitrali gave in the same spot a week earlier, when he derided Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf's claim to have given Pakistan true democracy. Musharraf, the imam complained, is trying to introduce the "Western secularism" of his idol, Turkish leader Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. The founder of the modern Turkey, said Chitrali, was a man who "turned mosques into churches and had religious scholars murdered. Listen to me, Muslims! Kemal Atatürk is not our ideal. Musharraf is not just attempting to placate the West and the USA, but also to remain permanently in power."...
NUR MOSQUE, GAZA STRIP
In this mosque in the Jabaliya refugee camp with ties to the extremist Hamas movement, Friday prayers ended with an appeal to Palestinians to rise up against Israeli occupiers. The sermon was given by 38- year- old Imam Talal al- Majdalawi.When the Jews withdrew from the Gaza Strip, we thought that we had gained all the freedom in the world. But then came the bombardment. This is a sign, you faithful, that your battle with the Jews is still a long way from coming to an end. It proves that the conflict is not taking place among us and between us, but with the infidel Jews. This is why you should say, whenever there is a rocket attack: God be praised, there is no God other than the one God, and He is our protector. We say to the Jews: "What you are doing to us today is written in the book of God." There it is said: "Your will suffer fear and hunger." But we too will sow fear and terror, as they have never seen before, in the hearts of those who bring us fear and hunger today. With the help of God, we should be afraid of nothing. We must not be afraid whenever a bullet strikes its target or whenever we are threatened … This does not frighten us. This should make us strong in our fight against the Jews."...
Hojjatolislam Ahmed Khatami, speaking to thousands of Iranian Muslims in the courtyard of the University of Tehran, is dealing with a similar problem. He begins the political portion of his sermon with a mention of the devastating earthquake in Iran's Lorestan province, praising the "diligent Islamic regime for overcoming these difficulties." But the congregation also wants to hear something else. When Khatami took to the podium, the faithful chanted: "Death to America! Death to England and its treachery! Nuclear energy is our natural right!" And Khatami doesn't disappoint them. He mentions the controversy over Danish cartoon's of Muhammad and calls upon Sunnis and Shiites to unite in the face of "this insult to the Prophet." Quoting the Koran, he defends the right of resistance. "Our resistance is what triggers respect for our 27-year-old revolution. They have prepared many crises for our great nation, but we have left them behind with our heads held high." Then he turns his attention to Iran's nuclear conflict with the West....
Read it all. There is much more bellicosity from the holy preachers of Iran.
Posted by Robert at April 20, 2006 4:17 AM
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For the most part, Muslim clerics are no better than demagogues, terror masters, equivalent to mob bosses that commission hits and whip up crowds to do their dirty work. That they use religion as pretext is an outrage.
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at April 20, 2006 7:50 AM
Robert,
Thank you for another outstanding posting. If there is any contradictions to be found in faith it is the Muslim faith. Why do these Muslims accuse non-Muslims that their faiths are full of contradictions when Islam is full of contradictions in itself?
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 20, 2006 7:51 AM
From article: "If a woman, even a Muslim woman, is naked and you have no way of covering her up, it is legitimate to kill her."
That reminds me of this: A Frenchman and a muslim were walking on the beach when they came upon a nude woman sunbathing..."She looks good enough to eat", said the Frenchman...so the muslim shot her...
And now you know, the rest of the story...
at April 20, 2006 8:08 AM
Before he kills her though, doesn't he make sure she's not a virgin? He probably rapes her before he kills her to make sure she won't go to heaven.
Posted by: freewoman at April 20, 2006 8:15 AM
Oh really? Then produce such examples, please. Let us see a Spiegel report on Christian, Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu preachers calling for the murders of women who they deem to be not dressed properly. Let us hear about the Christian preachers who say, "This is a sign, you faithful, that your battle with the Jews is still a long way from coming to an end." Tell us about the Jewish and Christian congregations that chant "Death to Iran!" or death to anyone.
Ummm... does the name Jerry Falwell mean anything to you? How about Pat Robertson? Do the letters KKK trugger any little alarm sounds in the back of your mind? What about the christian extermists who bomb abortion clinics? Or the Jewish settlers who want to expel all Arabs from Palestine? What about the Buddhist states where non-buddhists are persecuted (it's true, as unlikely as it seems!)?
The article is right, every religion has a samall number of extremists, but Islam seems to have a large number of them.
at April 20, 2006 8:39 AM
But surely such examples of narrow-mindedness can be found in any major religion or creed."
Yes, this argument is bandied about time and time again. When the Islam-appeasers can't come up with an argument or a valid excuse, they'll throw up this moral equivalence. All religions are just as bad, they'll insist. Gets difficult trying to protect and excuse their ally, Islam. It keeps doing and saying some unbelievably despicable things, so what's a good little dhimmi to do? Oh, ALL religions are just as bad! Surely! All those horrible Christians - Timothy McVeigh, KKK, Hitler, etc. Even though their actions and ideas had absolutely nothing to do with Christ. Any white guy doing bad stuff is a Christian all of a sudden.
Posted by: feralee at April 20, 2006 8:41 AM
the more this information is revealed to us non muslims the more we understand the need for its destruction. l know it will be more difficult to convert a large portion of muslims to even reform their cult, so we need to just educate our own.
Posted by: Lulu at April 20, 2006 8:49 AM
The article is right, every religion has a samall number of extremists, but Islam seems to have a large number of them.
Difference is that in non-Muslim religions, you can call them extremists, nutjobs, perverters of the true message. They have little support, if any. Viewed with disgust. No Christian leaders promising them rewards in heaven for murder or the destruction they wreak, not advocating them at all. Nobody cheering abortion-doctor-murderers in the streets.
In Islam, they're purists, doing what Islam says, following the example of their founder. Cheered, encouraged, promised rewards, raised to hate and kill. Christ didn't hate black people, Moh did. Christ didn't have anybody slaughtered. Moh did. Christ didn't lust after women and change the rules so he could bonk little girls, relatives, other men's wives, etc. Moh did.
Posted by: feralee at April 20, 2006 8:56 AM
"Though shalt not suffer a witch to live" - Used by christians for centuries to persecute healers and non-christians. Used today to persecute JK Rowling (calls from fundie xians to ban Harry Potter books in schools).
The Intelligent Design movement - purist xianist interpretation of the bible to try and have a sound scientific theory thrown out of the US school system.
The Pro-Slavery movement - There are numerous sections in the bible that condone slavery, and various xian sects in the US want to have their rights to own slaves back because of this. (Passages here).
The difference between most christians and the extremists is that the sane ones generally except the bible to be a collection of stories, where as the purists take it to be the literal truth, much as Muslims consider the Koran to be the literal truth (I think one of my 7 intestines is acting up, maybe I drank some radioactive water from the muddy pool where the sun hides at night).
To say that the Christian purists are acting against the message of the bible is just wishful thinking at best, and whatever the Christian version of Taquiya at worst.
Posted by: Nurgle at April 20, 2006 9:13 AM
Though shalt not suffer a witch to live" - Used by christians for centuries to persecute healers and non-christians. Used today to persecute JK Rowling (calls from fundie xians to ban Harry Potter books in schools).
Yeah, "Xians" sure make it tough on JK Rowling. I heard she went into hiding after Jerry Falwell issued his fatwa. "Xian" fundementals burned down my local B&N, cut off the heads of the cashiers, and blew up a Guiness distribution center, in relatiation for her offensive books. (As commanded to in the Bible).
The poor woman, she is only a billionaire. How does she survive?
As far as banning the books in school, they should. Not on the religious principals, but in the name of good taste. The books are mindless crap.
at April 20, 2006 9:39 AM
"If a woman, even a Muslim woman, is naked and you have no way of covering her up, it is legitimate to kill her."
I recommend that any person who honestly believes that Islam is respectful towards women to ponder over the message of this hate filled statement.
Where are the Muslim women activists?
Are they dead?
Posted by: Johnathan at April 20, 2006 10:08 AM
Where are the Muslim women activists?
Are they dead?
Posted by: Johnathan
Dead or hiding
at April 20, 2006 10:10 AM
If the likes of Falwell and Robertson had their way, the US would be a Christian theocracy and the policies of the government would probably be identical to the policies of Iran.
Incase you hadn't noticed, the Chistian right has called fot the assisinations of others in the past (Chevez), which is no different to Imams calling for the deaths of infidels.
The point of my above posts was to demonstrate that other religions DO have extremists who behave in a manner very similar to the Islamic extremists. The difference is that nobody really takes them seriously.
(I agree about Potter being crap, btw)
Posted by: Nurgle at April 20, 2006 10:13 AM
'Naked' as used above by muslims, needs defining for infidel readers. 'Naked' does not mean 'naked' to a muslim, it means 'unveiled', and is an act of agression (justifying retaliation in the form of rape).
On another note, the Spiegel article mentions that muslims celebrated Mohammed's birthday last Monday, but according to a post here:
http://myblog.de/politicallyincorrect/1
(German only)
they celebrated it in one part of Germany at least on Good Friday, the mosque saying it was an unfortunate oversight that the dates fell together. Seems a bit strange that elsewhere it was celebrated on the Monday....
Elsewhere in the blog there is a post of an interview by die Welt with Bernard Lewis, who, speaking of the Cartoon Riots, said that traditionally the ban of depictions etc of M was only enforced on muslim territory. Muslim calls for a banning in Denmark meant that muslims now regard Denmark as part of Darul Islam and the Danes as dhimmis.
Posted by: Silvester at April 20, 2006 10:15 AM
'ere Nurgle, didn't you used to have an identical twin brother called Disgusto?
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/010929.php
Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at April 20, 2006 10:18 AM
Fera Lee & Nurgle;
You are forgetting the two anti-America racists, Jesse "Jackass" Jackson and "Calypso" Louis FarraConman. These two do just as much to seperate Americans as these imans do unite Muslims against the West. And just like the imans, preach to a large number of unlearned individuals that need them to let them know when they've been offended.
But I can remember the old film footage of Hitler speaking to the masses in Berlin and seeing how impassioned his mannerisms were. He seem to almost hypnotize his audience. Almost casting a spell over the masses. These people seem to be entranced by these imans when they speak the same way. Worked up into the same kind of frenzy as the Germans that would hear Hitler speak. The Ayatollah Khomeni had this same effect on the Iranians back in the day. These are dangerous men because of the number of people that are totally ignorant to whatever they are talking about. These men are basiclly appealling to the emotions of the people instead of informing them. Mostly through lies and distortions. And if the people are basiclly ignorant on the issues, they are easily mislead and controlled. Seriously, what man in his right mind would kill a woman for being naked?
at April 20, 2006 10:35 AM
Nurgle, yes the Bible has been used for a justification of slavery in the US. But it was a rather obscure reference to the descendants of Ham. On the other hand, it was the mainly Christian abolitionist movement that brought the issue of slavery to a boiling point. Many used the Bible to preach AGAINST slavery. Not like the Koran and Hadith that provide legal justification for slavery and Moh. that actually owned slaves.
As far as Pat Robertson, he is a knucklehead but he was not speaking from a biblical perspective but rather a political policy perspective. (He was also browbeaten by Americans everywhere until he apologized). Therein lies the beauty of Christianity. We have separation of Church and State. I, as a Christian, can (and do) give my time and money to the poor trying to bring them to Christ, but, as a citizen, I can (and do) object when my government gives my tax dollars to undeserving lazy bums. My tax dollars are not a tithe. Likewise, just because Pat Robertson called for the US govt. to assassinate Chavez doesn't mean he believes there is a verse in the Bible to back him up.
I don't want my government to practice the Christian value of "turning the other cheek" and "loving thine enemies." No sir. I don't live in a theocracy.
Posted by: former liberal WF at April 20, 2006 11:15 AM
What man in his right mind would kill a woman for being naked??
A man with an inferiority complex bordering on schizophrenia??
The definition of "naked" to a "true" muslim is an exposed nostril.
at April 20, 2006 11:26 AM
The point of my above posts was to demonstrate that other religions DO have extremists who behave in a manner very similar to the Islamic extremists. The difference is that nobody really takes them seriously.
~ Posted above
Lets see, the week of 4/09-4/15 Xian fundamentalist murdered 0 people, in the name of Jesus.
During the same week 4/09-4/15 Moslems murdered 208 people, in the name of Allah.
I wonder why nobody takes the Xian fundamentalist seriously?
Posted by: Bar at April 20, 2006 11:32 AM
I'd love to see what some of those whacked out Islamics would do in Newport Beach on a beautiful Summer day with all those beautiful women in their bikinis sunbathing on the sand.
All those buffed surfers would take em down to the water for a good ol baptism under water for a half hour or so for shark food.
at April 20, 2006 12:21 PM
Hilarious. I wonder if "broodmare" Naseem will step up to the plate and defend her nakedness in the off chance her burka falls off in public.
You can catch my "broodmare" reference here: http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/011052.php#comments
Posted by: Quantum Infidel at April 20, 2006 12:29 PM
Shows you just how goddamned unimaginative and rock-stupid Muslim men are.
Kill a naked woman? (Do I hear cuckoos?)
Any Western guy would simply cover her with his own body, if there were nothing else available.
Solving this quasi-religious quandry immediately.
(Although perhaps creating others ...nine months later.)
Posted by: profitsbeard at April 20, 2006 1:21 PM
Nurgle (nee Disgusto) said
What about the Buddhist states where non-buddhists are persecuted
To paraphrase Bar,
Lets see, the week of 4/09-4/15 Buddhist fundamentalist murdered 0 people, in the name of Buddha.
During the same week 4/09-4/15 Moslems murdered 208 people, in the name of Allah.
But your thought provoking posting (hmm, Christians killing abortionists, never discussed that here before) has got me thinking, You're Right!
I will immediately start up BuddhaWatch.org. I'm sure that Robert will immediately shut down JihadWatch and forward all visitors to BuddhaWatch. Thank you for pointing out the evil that lurks behind that jolly smile of the fat laughing Buddha who preaches moderation and internal meditation. Perhaps you can help us get it started up, by posting some of the extremely violent writings of Buddha, and some (surely not all, don't want to swamp me under a pile of email after all) of the news stories of the horrendous massacres and wanton destruction that the pillaging Buddhists have inflicted during their wild rampages.
at April 20, 2006 1:23 PM
I remember a story by a female journalist who knew Arabic and went to a mosque in the U.S. during one of their open house. She was there early and there was a session in Arabic. She sat at one side and pretended to read a book in the meantime. After the Arabic session ended, there was an English presentation.
She said that when the lecture was in English, it was all very courteous and presented how Islam was peaceful, yada, yada. But in the Arabic lecture, the lecturer was wailing against the Americans and the Jews and the infidels, and that he was exhorting the Muslims to fight them.
Posted by: yaqub at April 20, 2006 1:28 PM
"Ummm... does the name Jerry Falwell mean anything to you? How about Pat Robertson? Do the letters KKK trugger any little alarm sounds in the back of your mind? What about the christian extermists who bomb abortion clinics? Or the Jewish settlers who want to expel all Arabs from Palestine? What about the Buddhist states where non-buddhists are persecuted (it's true, as unlikely as it seems!)?
The article is right, every religion has a samall number of extremists, but Islam seems to have a large number of them. "
Nurgle,
Would it suprise you that when horrible actions are done by non-Muslims, the actions are condemmed a whole lot quicker by leaders in the non-Muslim faith communities. What acts of terror from the Muslim community takes place, hardly words of condemmnation are ever spoken. The silence is deafining.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 20, 2006 1:52 PM
the statement of killing naked women proves beyond a
doubt that Mohammud had homosexual tendencies.
also to the muslim parrot above who said:Incase you hadn't noticed, the Chistian right has called fot the assisinations of others in the past (Chevez), which is no different to Imams calling for the deaths of infidels. Cheves is a leader of a country that has killed off his own countrymen for speaking out against him! that is not hardly a blanket form of killing off whole peoples! get a grip Nurgle! you are comparing apples to oranges! when was the last time you had Christian suicide killer bombers!
at April 20, 2006 1:59 PM
Lulu - I don't think Mohammed like boffing young boys or men... I think all the hatred aimed at women comes from the repeated abandonment he experienced from his mother. His mother ran off from him and dumped him on other people, some of whom also rejected him ( his mother's servant claimed the little boy was possessed and tried to rid herself of him ) He was raised by no one who loved him and was passed around until his uncle took care of him, reluctantly at first it seems.
Muslim women have been condemned to suffering because of the sins of Mohammed's mother. She instilled this hatred of all women in him. Mohammed was neglected, unloved and probably abused. Don't take my word for it - read the canonical texts...
Mohammed could never forgive his mother and made all women suffer when he finally had some power.
at April 20, 2006 2:09 PM
yaqub
It's probably Laura Mansfield you're talking about:
http://www.lauramansfield.com/j/smalltownusa.asp
Posted by: Silvester at April 20, 2006 2:19 PM
Plague, I'm sure ole mo boffed anything he could hold still long enough.
Posted by: freewoman at April 20, 2006 4:30 PM
Why they (muslims people) are always yelling "Death to America, Death to England" Why? Always this two country, Canada is a close friend to United-State, France work closely with Canada, United-State and England.
So muslims must stop to blame only United-State, but if they want to blame some country, they must name them all. Italia, Canada, Australia, Germany, Japan etc...
at April 20, 2006 5:50 PM
The Iraq invasion and support for Israel apart, Iranians are particularly antagonistic towards the US and UK because they connived in the Shah's overthrow of Mossadegh in 1953, and the resumption of policies favourable to western oil companies. It still rankles with them to this day. The UK also occupied the southern half of the country during WWI and WWII ( Russia held the north) having carved the country into 'spheres of influence' (again with Russia) prior to 1914, and tried to make the country its protectorate after 1919.
Posted by: wallyUK at April 20, 2006 8:44 PM
Nurgle:
"Or the Jewish settlers who want to expel all Arabs from Palestine?"
Inconsistencies: Falwell, Robertson, the KKK, Christian extremists, Jewish settlers, and Buddhist states are not equivalent, nor are they all "preachers" or religious leaders.
As for the Jewish settlers, first of all, it's not Palestine. (Look this one up. This is land that was Jewish land 3000 years ago, and was won back in the past 50 years by victory in a defensive war.)Second of all, do all Jews living in Yehuda and Shomron want all Arabs to leave? I don't know. However, it is not primarily a religious question as Jews as a nation have always tolerated members of foreign groups living in Jewish lands (in principle). However, these are Jewish lands, and people living there who in general actively try to murder and destroy Jews, further, do that by horrible and ugly means which amount to torture, are 1)very unwelcome simply on the basis of defending Jewish human life and 2)generally unwelcome as they take up a lot of time with defensive activities that could be put to better use such as farming, other productive work, praising G-d, having children, etc. The Arabs have unfortunately generally and historically behaved as outlaws, many not even observing the 7 Noahide laws (look that up). This is whether they practiced idolatry or Islam. Maybe they can change; the Assyrians became Christians (at least some of them), but it won't happen tomorrow. FYI: taking human life is and has always been abhorrent in the Jewish religion. Even when it is necessary and justified, it diminishes the soul of the person who does it. This is specifically why G-d did not grant King David, otherwise a very very righteous person who was a war leader, the privilege of building the First Temple. If one were to look for a major and defining difference between Islam and Judaism, the attitude about killing people gets my vote. The Islamic attitude toward murder is like cutting off a hangnail.
Posted by: HaMalach at April 21, 2006 4:36 PM
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