They old style media does not show this on tv or talk about it on radio. they should be deported for hate crimes? l wonder if the Jewish people would do this in front of the UN or some arab embassy how long it would last before the police came to take them away. how much patience do we need to this type of garbage on the streets before we demand it be thrown out!

Posted by: Lulu at April 22, 2006 7:28 AM

Awesome Link:

http://www.forest.ws/WeSupportU.htm

Posted by: CGW at April 22, 2006 7:48 AM

It by now should be clear that the war against Israel is a Lesser Jihad, and always has been. It was such before the Infidels, in this case Jews, dared to buy land and dared to dream of possessing a small sliver of land in which they would not have to live, as they, and Christians, and all other non-Muslims had had to live, as dhimmis under Shari'a law or some version of it. This was true whether the overlords were Arabs or, as for the past four centuries, the Turks.

"Should be clear." But the Israelis themselves have done everything they can to hide that painful recognition. They would prefer to believe that Islam, and especially the most virulent form of Islam, that possessed by the Arabs who have no other identity to conceivably draw upon, and whose sense of Islam as interwoven with "Uruba" or "arabness" makes even Christian Arabs (though not the Arabic-speaking, but non-Arab Maronites and Copts) accept, parrot, and promote the Islamic agenda, including the Lesser Jihad against Infidel Israel that, were it to be successful, might actually improve the prospects for a continued Christian presence in the Middle East.

Israelis do not wish to contemplate the notion that the relentless war against them has no solution -- though the Cold War also seemed to have no solution, yet in the end, Soviet Communism crumbled because the West held firm, and a sufficient number of people realized that Communism had failed to deliver on its own terms. Whether that will ever happen to Islam is unclear, but it is not impossible for its role, and its power, and therefore its menace, to be sufficiently reduced -- say, to what it was in 1930, long before the oil money arrived, or those millions of Muslims were permitted to settle behind enemy lines, in Western Europe.

Just as the American government, and with it the rest of NATO, during the Cold War could conceive of Islam mainly as a "bulwark against Communism" -- which meant that left-leaning Nasser must not be a Muslim (but he was), and anti-Communist Saudi Arabia was to be supported to the hilt (which it was). Hence the silly CENTO military alliance of Great Britain (the initiator), the United States, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Pakistan. CENTO collapsed when the old regime in Iraq was overturned in 1958; it had never amounted to anything except as a way for Muslim armies to begin to extract military equipment and knowhow from the Westeern powers. Then the Americans favored those Pakistani generals, and of course Turkey, where Kemalism, it was believed, was solidly entrenched and making Turkey ever more modern, more secular.

The Israelis committed the same error -- or a variant on that error. They tried to woo, naturally, the one non-Arab country in the region -- Iran under the Shah. From sentimental invocation of the pre-Islamic alliance between Persians and Jews, to the appeal to the Shah's advanced, westernized, and largely secular court, which would want to distinguish the advanced civilization of the "Persians" from that of the "Arabs," it seemed to work on both sides. But the Shah was temporary; Islam permanent. And the same happened to that very brief alliance of Turkey and Israel -- which the government of Erdogan has so discouraged, except in those moments when Erdogn shows up in Washington to be introduced, at a think-tank, by Richard Perle (and then the anti-Israel viciousness is muted for the audience).

The Lesser Jihad against Israel was the one that attracted the most attention (who, outside of India, paid any attention to the steady persecution of Hindus in West Pakistan or East Pakistan, or after 1971, in the renamed Bangladesh or what was now called Pakistan? Who paid attention to what Col. Ojukwu forthrightly called a "jihad" against the Christians in Nigeria during the Biafra War? Who saw the Muslim dimension to the war against the Christians in East Timor? In the Southern Sudan? In the southern Philippines? In the statements by Izetbegovic about reinstuting a Muslim state, and the full Shari'a -- statements which terrified the Serbs but which no one else paid any attention to?

Since the early 1970s, several things permitted the Muslims, and especially the Muslim Arabs who run Islam (for they brought it to the world, and the Qur'an was in "their language" and they "are the best of people" and all Muslims, everywhere, must look to seventh-century Arabia, or failing that, to the Arabs today, for spiritual/political/intellectual guidance.

These were:

1. OPEC, and the manipulation of the market, that permitted the quadrupling of oil prices in 1973, and that have led, in the past one-third century, to the greatest transfer of wealth in human history, that from the oil-consuming to the oil-producing nations. The Muslim oil states have taken in approximately $10 trillion. They have failed to create modern economies or societies. They exist on the basis of wage-slaves from outside. But they have bought arms and more arms, of very kind; they are by far the largest buyers of armaments from foreign suppliers in the world, with hundreds of billions spent. They have paid for mosques all over the world, and especially in the capitals of the Western world. They have paid for madrasas. They have paid for Da'wa -- Muslim missionaries. They have paid for every sort of propaganda, beginning with those special inserts in The New Duranty Times, The Financial Times, The Economist, and so on. They have established, or bought up, or contributed to, academic centers carefully chosen -- usually either in capitals (as at Georgetown, which has both a Center for Contemporary Arab Studies and a Center for Muslim-Christain Understanding -- both of which are exactly what you suspect they are). They have paid for hirelings all over the Western world, to run their propaganda, hirelings often chosen from among the former diplomats and former intelligence agents who were posted in the Arab countries, and many of whom, even before they retire from their official duties, are made keenly aware of the sums they can make if they play their cards right, starting in their present job. The incredible failure of successive American governments to realize that gasoline had to be taxed, that oil consumption had to be forcefully, and forcibly, diminished, is a tribute to the Saudis, and to such peole as James Baker (whose Baker Center, just like the Presidential libraries of Bush Senior and Clinton and Carter, has received major donations from -- do I really have to tell you, or can you guess?)

2) The admission of millions of Muslims into the countries of Western Europoe. Cupidity and stupidity -- the Esdrujula Explanation -- help to explain this. Few in the governments of West Germany, France, England, as they admitted Turks (as gastarbeiter who didn't leave), as single male workers (who then were permitted to bring in their "wives" and children, for it was believed that this would diminish the evidence of what was wrongly perceived as sociopathic criminality when it was merely Muslims treating Infidel women, property, laws, and customs with the contempt all things Infidel deserve; in England, it was Pakistanis, who kept being referred to as "Asians" as if the problems in Bradford or Manchester or anywhere else had to do with geography (the Hindus were, and remain, loyal and inoffensive, and lumping them in with the Muslim immigrants is deliberately meretiricious).

3) The ability of Muslims to exploit Western technology -- audiocassettes, videocassettes, satellite televsion stations, the Internet -- for the purposes of disseminating the doctrines of Islam. Examples include the role of audiocassettes of Khomeini's speeches that flooded Iran before the Revolution; another, the decaptiation videos, and I.E.D. bombings in Iraq, that serve as recruitment tools for proud Muslims showing examples of their handiwork.

All these developments have enabled Muslims to go from the Lesser Jihad that focused on Israel (and which continues, of course, unabated, though now there are two schools: the Abbas school of Slow Jihad, and the Hamas school of Fast Jihad), to the much wider Jihad, wide enoguh to take in the entire world, which should by now be apparent, if not to everyone, at least to those who should, in Washington and London, in Paris and Rome, in Madrid and Amsterdam and Oslo, have been studying the tenets, attitudes, atmospherics of Islam non-stop over the past four years, and have studied as well the history of Islamic conquest of non-Muslims, and the subjugation of the latter as dhimmis, a status clearly of permanent degradation, humiliation, and physical insecurity.

That is where we are today. But many Israelis, and those whose belief that their hearts are in the right place, because they "support Israel" (what does that mean?), so they are exempt from the duty of finding out exactly what it is that menaces Israel, and that means learning enough about Islam to realize that further surrenders of the legal, moral, and historic rights that the Israelis have been so consistently been so willing to surrender (and certainly for the past 30 years ahve been unable, or unwilling, to articulate forcefully), will merely whet, not sate, the appetites for Jihad. For the very idea of an Infidel sovereign state on land once possessed by Muslims is intolerable -- especially one ruled by the contemptible, and supposedly weak, Jews. Borders mean nothing. The size of Israel means nothing. The "state" of a recently-invented "Palestinian" people (invented for the purposes of disguising the Jihadist impulse -- and done most successfully, because the world was eager to believe that this was merely a case of "two tiny peoples, each...etc."

And here we are today. The Lesser Jihad and the Greater Jihad. And all we get, from Washington, is talk about that "war on terror." Look at the population figures for Rotterdam, for Malmo, for France itself. Look at the demands made for changes in local customs and laws. Look at the demands at the international level, at the U.N., to force Infidels to accept Muslim ideas of what free speech should be. Look at the mosques opening. Look at the Da'wa being conducted among the most vulnerable populations in the Westen world. Look at the fear of "reverts" who, one suspects from what they have written, might now wish to leave Islam, but are frightened to do so. At least one such revert appeared, from his postings at JW, to have such doubts; he no longer appears, apparently infuriated by the mockery which greeted his attempts to inform all of us of his Spiritual Search and Dilemma and so on, which not all of us found quite as fascinating as he did.

Look at all that, and tell me what you want to do when you hear someone blithely say "we have to win this war on terror" or "we are fighting the terrorists in Iraq so we won't have to fight them here."

Tell me what decibel level is reached by your scream of frustration and fury.

Posted by: Hugh at April 22, 2006 7:57 AM

Israeli Zionists, What do you say?
How many children have you killed today?

Bagdad butchers, What do you say?
How many children's entertainers have you killed today? http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/011137.php#comments

The chants seem to have come from the same school of islamic doggerel as the characters at the London Cartoon demonstration.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010024.php

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at April 22, 2006 8:22 AM

Hugh everything you have said is quite logical, what is the answer you ask? It will take a leader of people to demand we put the cult of islam on the terror list. The is unlikely to happen in the PC culture. as with all conflicts in the past, even with all the clues that came right from Hitler and his actions of taking parts of lands of other countries, no leader stepped up to the plate and demanded he hand it over. the result was another world war. this next one will involve nuclear weapons, most likely an attack from iran.
what we all need to do, is keep labelling islam with terror, act like that child in the king's court, telling him he wears no clothes. we have to make the media and politician see the true islam. we need only to reach our own people. that is difficult as the liberals do not know of an enemy, most are from hate America crowd. and the conservative, even though the know of an enemy they call extreme islam, are too religious to think of any so called religion being labelled as a terrorist cult. George Bush is better than Clinton, but he needs to take one more leap to see how the whole cult of islam is evil. so one leap for George, and several for clinton types.

Posted by: Lulu at April 22, 2006 8:58 AM

Hugh - You paint a rather grim picture of our future. However, Jihadists will not be satisfied with the progress of “Creeping Islamism.” When the majority of westerners realize the true threat of Islam and start showing real resistance, the Islamists will resort to their usual violent actions. It is not in their psyche to avoid violence. In the near future we will see an effort to have Islamic courts that would arbitrate disputes between Muslims by using Sahria law. This experiment is being conducted in Canada. The next phase will be Muslims agitating for an autonomous region somewhere in either a European country or the US. Imagine an area in Los Angeles where women are forced to wear the chador. When an American city council refuses to pass an ordinance that allows Muslims to enforce Sharia in their neighborhood, the killings will soon start.

We are now in the “Neville Chamberlain” phase of this not so cold war; when the next Winston Churchill shows up is anybody’s guess. George Bush ain’t no Churchill, but he’s not a Chamberlain either. The real source of our inability to confront Islam is oil; we are afraid to speak the truth. The fear that our economic engine will run out of fuel is what is causing the apparent dhimitude of our leaders. The worst aspect of all this is that American political leaders are running for re-election every day, and do not have the courage to speak out. I guess they will be driven to act only when cars start blowing up on Capitol Hill. The Greater Jihad will not remain a covert operation very long. The shooting will soon start, perhaps within the next fifty years.

Posted by: Pelayo at April 22, 2006 9:25 AM

Hugh, excellent article. What our “elected officials” failed to realize/remember is simple: at some point the voice of the people will be heard and they will be unemployed. Both our original colonists and the confederate states had enough of self-serving politicians and they acted (I make no moral judgement, I just want to highlight the action). Recent polls are slighted along political lines (usually anti Bush) but if you look deeper the numbers show we are getting more distrustful and aggravated with all our politicians. We are no where close to another violent uprising but I think/hope the people will start voting the issues and not for the party favorite. I for one have always wondered if we added one simple line to all political ballets what the outcome would be. Here is the line I would add:

[] None of the above.

Keep up the good work Hugh, I continuously point people to this site and challenge them to make up their own minds as to the nature of the threat. I don’t know if Robert, Rebecca or you yourself ever wore a uniform but you are every bit the patriots and in the middle of this fight to keep us a free nation. I just want to thank all of the JW/DW staff. As I learn more and tone down my posts (so they stop getting erased ) maybe I can help spread the word. It is the least I can do.

Posted by: Ronin at April 22, 2006 9:25 AM

"with our lives and our blood we will liberate al Aqsa".

Makes one wish for an organization like "Make a Wish" for terrorists.

We could contact someone who would grant their desire to shed their blood and die martyrs. This would fulfill a dying wish and no innocent bystanders would get hurt.

Maybe they would like to hold the event at halftimes of Iranian soccer matches, just like the Taliban did in Afghanistan. It could be a great little fund raiser for the moms who so proudly send their children off to murder someone.

Perhaps this could become a middle eastern Arab tradition.

Posted by: cactus at April 22, 2006 9:30 AM

cactus you have a good idea, if the want to be martyrs they publicly murder each other. We show it as "pay for view" and use the money to feed the hungry in non muslim countries. I wonder if we can sign up for lifetime tickets.

Posted by: Ronin at April 22, 2006 9:44 AM

One of the most telling segments of the video is that while calling for the downfall of the United Stated and it's domination by Islam, one of the shouters is calling out, (paraphrased):

"Don't be afraid to speak out. This is not like the countries we come from. There is a loophole in this country...you have the freedom of expression."

How ironic that they see the freedom of expression as a loophole in our constitution. SomethingI sure, they would get rid of once in power.

Posted by: panos at April 22, 2006 9:50 AM

What worries me is not the Jihad, but the Dhimmi.

The only way for Islam to conquer the west is by the fifth column. In that category there are two types: those that are ignorant and naive and those, the Left, that wish to tear down western society, as the Left has always wished. That is why the Left, including the feminists, have made an unholy alliance with such an unlikely partner. They hate the West, they hate western culture, western history, and western mores, and to them, an enemy of an enemy is a friend of theirs. Just as the Irish sympathized with the Nazis, not because they had anything with common with the Germans, other than their hatred for the British.

That fifth column is what we have to worry about. As far as terrorists, the jihadwatch-side of this website, I welcome them. Because they are our salvation. The only thing that can turn our society, and many of our dhimmis away from the fifth column, is for their terrorism to act on human nature, which is to recoil from violence. September 11 did some good. But evidently, it was not enough. We need the jihad to do something bigger.

That is why I salivate at the prospect of Iran getting the bomb and using it. That is the only thing that can save the western world from the slow islamification that we are now seeing. The western pacifist population must be shocked into fighting islam, not educated through intellectual debate, which is why I think websites like this one have no real impact. We preach here to the converted. Screaming to the world that Islam is a religion of hate and domination, gets through to almost no one. Westerners are programmed not to think that way. They are programmed to reject racial and religious stereotypes. They are programmed to turn away from anything that even remotely sounds like hate speach. They will not listen, they certainly will not read the Koran, and they certainly will not suspect that the mainstream media has any ulterior motives.

As terrible as this sounds, I look forward to New York getting nuked. It will be the most horrible day for the western world. Probably one million killed. But unfortunately, that is exactly what the western pacifist, pluralist, PC culture needs to wake up and start fighting. That would do it. Islam would be personna non grata, mass deportations would take place, mosques would be shut down, islamic organizations would be silenced, the Left would be moribound and hanging by a thread, and the PC culture would be dead - at least as it applies to multiculturalism. Islam would become the new Nazi boogeyman - the very thing we preach - and the masses would agree.

Then the slow islamification would cease.

My fear is that this will not happen. That the west will be able to keep the nuclear islamic at bay, no major attacks occur, and slowly, islam continues to spread like cancer, until it is too late to stop them. Sharia law was only narrowly defeated in Canada last year. That was round One. Without a major terrorist attack, what will keep it from coming back and finally being accepted under the auspices of multiculturalism? It's inevitable.

As ironic as it would be, the only place left on earth with western values and culture, that WOULD be safe from islam, would be Japan. They know a thing or two about suicide pilots, themselves. Sixty years after defeating the Japanese in a holy war, the Japanese might represent our only sanctuary from the cancerous spread of islam. It could be that Christianity just doesn't have the heart to fight anymore. That is my biggest fear.

Only a major terrorist attack, hopefully nuclear, can avert our slow, robotic walk into the abyss from which we can never recover. Once Islam takes us over, they will strip us of our art, our music, our sexuality, our speach, our food, our clothes, our sports, our books, our movies, our entertainment, our wives, our daughters, and ultimately our lives. That is their stated goal. The fact that no one in the west seems to care is due to the fact that no one takes the rantings of little brown men in pajamas seriously.

In case you are wondering how this bomb will make it to New York City, check out my blog and scroll to the bottom.

http://www.islam-watch.blogspot.com/

Posted by: thethinker at April 22, 2006 9:59 AM

These fools are lucky I was not witness to this. I am beyond words lately. We live in a time where action is now demanded.

Islam will topple. I have sworn an oath to see it reformed, revealed for the cult that it is or destroyed. And I am a man of my word.

If a billion more people join me, we can get this done.

(chuckles)

Neverending war. It's not just for the Israelis anymore, is it?

Posted by: Foehammer at April 22, 2006 10:04 AM

Oh God, these are the people who were harassing the Shia during Muharram too, right?

http://www.umaamerica.net/media_relations.html#islamic

I'm going to be having a word with these folks...

Posted by: jehana at April 22, 2006 10:23 AM

Where is the border patrol during these protests? I'll bet they could find a few illegal muslims in the group.

And how is it the protesters can say threatening things and not get arrested? I'll bet if Americans said those things (and also the kill, kill, kill during the cartoon riots) we would be arrested.

Posted by: freewoman at April 22, 2006 10:26 AM

-Foehammer

Does kinda make you wonder about that whole "tough guy" image that New Yorkers like to project, doesn't it?

Posted by: Eisenhund at April 22, 2006 10:27 AM

Great article, Hugh. Thank you!
I have always thought Israel was "the thin edge of the wedge". If they destroy it - it will embolden them to go for whatever they want.

I agree these people should be charged - how about "un-American activities" for starters?

Also, it is sickening these stories don't make the news as mentioned by others.
What is wrong with the PC leaders? What will it take? I had hoped 9/11 would have been enough.

Damn oil! Hope someone on our side finds more,,and lots of it. Then all these miscreants can go to hell. Maybe one day they will realise they need the west to buy their oil or they would have nothing at all.

I can't see a huge coming-together of the west any time soon...wish I could.

I also think we should leave Iran alone. They aren't worth it and they are trying to provoke us. They would have to be super-idiotic to have nukes in their earthquake-prone country.
Ok,,ok,,, I know they are super-idiotic!

Posted by: Gramfan at April 22, 2006 10:32 AM

It's not really what they are chanting but where they are chanting it. America, where is your back bone?

Posted by: stranger at April 22, 2006 10:40 AM

Eisenhund:

The problem is, most of NYC is from anywhere but NY nowadays. Now, if those creeps wanted to spew that vileness on the streets of Boston, I can promise you that they would have a rougher time of it.

Or bring it here to Texas.

Each day now I just try to think of more ways to deal with this menace. All that continues to come to me is: use the blogs, badger the reps in Washington -- but there also needs to be an organized movement of protests. REAL protest. National protests on a massive scale by folks from the "silent majority" -- but as long as the media and Washington continue to lie to the American public about Islam, this movement is going to be too slow.

So, I just await the inevitable. Terrorism and/or acts of war are the only way the USA is ever going to really awaken to the truth.

Damn the idiots in Washington with their Ivy League cloaks and their Silver Spoons. They are going to sell out the United States and the World like a pack of Dhimmis if we don't stop them.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 22, 2006 10:40 AM

Takbeer?

Sure, make it a case of Miller Lite.

Posted by: DCWatson at April 22, 2006 10:41 AM

Oh, btw, I've revamped the look of Foehammer.net/com and it's much easier to read now. I've also started adding more quotes to my engine there and have created a library shelf for people to easily access recommended materials to purchase or check out from their local library.

More changes coming. I'll be adding a search engine to the site next. The size of the site has gotten fairly weighty with all my anti-Islam ranting. ;)

Foehammer

Posted by: Foehammer at April 22, 2006 10:56 AM

Where are you Ibrahim Hooper? Where is your condemnation of this behaviour? Where is you righteous organization at now?

Come on Ibrahim. We're waiting for you response. Give us a sign of life, anything at all. Show us the "true" meaning of Islam. Show us the "true" teachings of the "prophet" (MHBIH).

Ibrahim Hooper we need a statement from you.

Posted by: x_achillesheel_x at April 22, 2006 11:03 AM

Openly-declared and grandly-staged Nazi rallies were occurring in NYC, at major venues, in the late 1930's, as homegrown fascists promoted the antisemitic, despotic dogma of the Hitlerians.

It was reported, but little was done about it.

Until December 8, 1941.

9/11 wasn't enough.

Islam- you'll have to hit us harder.

And kill a hell of a lot more of us.

We're dumber and duller than our grandparents.

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 22, 2006 11:11 AM

Yeah, well we are so polictally correct here in the US that I doubt if ever will we, Americans, ever expose Muslims no less oppose them in the mainstream media. Believe me, even if they Nuke
NYC the mainstream media(the left)will spin it that we did it to OURSELVES so we would go after the Muslims. Does that ring a bell? Pearl Harbor, World Trade Center,etc., etc.
Sorry folks for being such a pessimist!

Posted by: cmor at April 22, 2006 11:17 AM

No, I think a good nuke in downtown manhattan would do wonders for the anti-jihad cause. Of course, some elements of the Left will claim it was an Israeli weapon, but by then, the public will be islamophobic to the hilt. And then things will get rolling.

Keep in mind that in 9/11 children were almost absent from the casualty list. Wait til the pictures hit the newsstands of a children with skin falling off them from the radiation burns. People react viscerally to that kind of image. The MSN sanitized the tower drama, but they will not be able to sanitize the entire city once it is destroyed. The imagery will do wonders. People will become angry. Anger is something you didn't see on 9/11. The attack was too clinical. A nuclear explosion, however, is not. The shock value of killing a million New Yorkers will be something the MSN will not be able to hold back.

http://www.islam-watch.blogspot.com/

Posted by: thethinker at April 22, 2006 11:32 AM

I know that some Muslims read this site, in fact I would be willing to bet that a lot of Muslims read this site, in order to "keep their enemies close" and learn what we really think.

Fellas, read this and try to remember. You may want to print this. When--yes, I say "when" and not "if"--Iran or some other Muslim hellhole nukes Iran, Israel is going to throw every nuke it has. And I think we all know that they have hundreds. So you can say goodbye to Cairo, Damascus, Mecca, Medina, and Tehran. Maybe even Riyadh, maybe even Karachi and Lahore. Did I say hundreds? Imagine that the two-hundred most populated Muslim cities are turned to glass. I think that overnight you will go from being the second-most populous religion (behind Christianity's 2 billion) to fourth, behind the billion Hindus and billion Buddhist/Communists of China. Which, if the truth be told, wouldn't be so bad. But the potential loss of life is... breath taking.

Think about that. Two hundred nukes, at least. Two hundred cities, at least a million caualties each.... at least two-hundred million people dead. Because you launched a nuke attack against Israel.

Why? Because one or two nukes will render Israel uninhabitable for thousands of years. Yes, Israel will be gone (along with "palestine," a nation that never has existed but may soon.)

And if they see some nukes headed their way, the Israelis are going to know for certain that their nation is pretty much over. A lot of the people will live, as they all have gas masks, iodine pills (to prevent the absorbtion of radiation into the thyroid, a major cause of death from radiation exposure), they all have fallout shelters and stockpiles of food, water, etc. And they have evacuation plans.

So "most" Israelis will survive a nuke, even though most of Israel will not. And the surviving Jews will be relocated to America where they will thrive and prosper as they do in every civilized nation in the world.

Now, what about the Muslims that attack Israel... what do you imagine their fate will be?

First of all consider that Israel has hundreds of nuclear missiles that can reach every part of the Muslim world. They have them in planes, they have them in suitcases, they have them in silos, and they have them in submarines. Hundreds.

IF, and I do mean "IF" there is anything left of Iran, the United Nations will give it to the surviving Israelis to start a new Israel. After all, Iran will be the one that destroys Israel, so what is fair? That Iran be made to give up land for the new Israel. This assumes that any Israelis want to move there; like I said it stands to reason that they would all move to America. Of course, a land mass of at least equal measure of Israel will have to allocated, out of justice, even if only 10 Israelis chose to not come to America.

Now you might think that the UN wouldn't do such a thing, and you might well be right. But after a nuclear strike, the opinion of the UN might easily be swayed to Israel's favor. Of course, no Muslim nation will ever, ever, ever, do anything to help Israel, even if they are nuked. But you only have 57 seats out of 190 or so. And you have no seats on the Security Council (and never will because you cannot be trusted with any real power.)

But a WW3 of Israel vs. Islam will probably see the end of the UN anyway. Muslims all over the world will go on a rampage against any Jewish presence, real or imagined, and maybe against the West in general. This could mean civil war in about 100 countries, i.e. all the countries that have a sizable Muslim population. And if the UN or what replaces it doesn't give the surviving Israelis (and this is the key: most of them WILL survive) part of Iran, then the United States of America will do it for them.

So the Jews--whether in old Iran/New Israel or in America, or maybe some part of Mexico, Australia, Egypt, or wherever--will carry on, with or without a nation of their own (but most likely with) and with or without the blessing of Allah's Chumps. And wherever they go they will set about making money, new nuclear bombs, tanks, computers, roads, hotels, canals, farms, colletives, factories, hospitals, research facilities, torahs, matzo balls, etc. etc.

And Islam will be relegated to the dustbin of history. America will not let Saudi Arabia (even after being nuked) turn off the oil spigot. And surely they will try. I don't think I need to tell you what will happen. Oh what the hell, if you could think clearly the world wouldn't be in the shape it's in now and we wouldn't even need to talk about this: America will take over Saudi Arabia (what hasn't been nuked, that is) and UAE, and Bahrain, and Qatar... and if need be, Oman, Yemen, Iraq (for real), Jordan, and Iran.

We only have about a ten-million or so MREs in stock, and can't make them very fast. So we won't be bringing any food for you. The simple fact is, there aren't enough trees in every Muslim nation on earth to build 200 million coffins. You won't even be able to bury your dead, so you will probably resort to eating them. But this will be the least of your unpleasantries.

You like to pretend that "Allah" is on your side. You are going to find out the hard way that Allah is a myth. I and the rest of the civilized world put my faith in real people: Descartes, Voltaire, Washington, Robspierre, Franklin, Jefferson, Adams, Hamilton, Nelson, Lincoln, Patton, Roosevelt, Churchill, Montgomery, Eisenhower, Feynman, Oppenheimer, Truman, Kennedy, Parks, King, Reagan, Walenza, Clinton, Bush... and the next team, whether Rudy/McCain or Hillary/Clark. When the smoke clears, you'll see which side is still standing.

This assumes that you, dear jihadi will survive. The 200 million dead from the initial nukes will be the lucky ones, the ones that were incinerated in a split second. There will be scores of millions--if not hundreds of millions--that die from fallout, radiation sickness, civil war, and the inevitable loss of infrastructure and famine. Untold millions of your young, fertile breeders will become permanently sterile, and millions more will produce hideously deformed offspring so repulsive to you that you won't even want to bury them.

For one thing alone it is absurd to imagine that one or two, or even two dozen nukes in the entire arsenals of Islamdom would stand a ghost of a chance against Israel and her hundreds, much less the West and our thousands. And if you think that the West won't be solidly behind Israel in a nuclear war of You Vs. Them, you are sorely mistaken. You have purchased automatic majority votes at the United Nations (with our money btw) but the UN, even if it would like to, will not prevent Israel, America, and any other civilized nations from seeking terrible retribution.

Oh yes, don't forget that Pakistan, who's nukes are held together with duct tape and chicken wire to begin with, probably won't be much help because helping would leave them pretty-much without a deterent against India, ostensibly the "reason" they made nukes to begin with. And if Pakistan is convinced to send some nukes to Israel (or elsewhere) given their substandard arsenal and the fact that they are all pointed at India NOW, one could easily "accidentally" be sent to India. Or on purpose by one of Allah's Retards who thinks that "God will help us win." Then it's WW3 FOR REAL and guess who's side India will be on? And you know that China will help us. So we have North America, South America, half of Africa, Europe, Russia, China, India, Japan, and Australia. And Japan "knows a thing or two" about war. They are just champing at the bit to fire up the factories again. Who do you think they'll side with? America and China? Or you?

You will have the north coast of Africa and the nations that contain the Sahara Desert, south-west Asia, Bangladesh, Malaysia, and Indonesia. And you will be suffering from nuclear attacks on your two-hudred most populated cities.

This isn't like the USSR and Afghanistan.

It's more like what we would expect if it was America versus Luxembourg.

And the sad part is, that no matter how much you are told what is going happen, you will still proceed full speed ahead with your suicidal craziness.

The only thing to consider now is, will Iran launch a nuke as soon as it builds one, or will it have the patience to wait until it has four or five? And meanwhile, Israel makes four or five more EVERY MONTH.

Think about it. You may be willing to risk your life, and the lives or your children, on your overwhelming urge to attack Israel. But are you willing to risk the existence of your beloved religion? If WW3 comes, it will be Islam on one side and at least Israel on the other. If the West comes in for Israel, which we most certainly will, Islam will be eradicated. That should concern you.

It doesn't have to be like this. It doesn't have to be "Either the world will destroy Islam or Islam will destroy the world." It can be "Either Islam will destroy Jihad or Jihad will destroy Islam." But make no mistake about it: if Islam destroys Israel, Islam is probably going to be destroyed. So yes, you are right: the "real" Holocuast is on it's way. But it's not the Holocaust that you're expecting.

Posted by: kj at April 22, 2006 12:06 PM

Very well stated KJ.

Posted by: freewoman at April 22, 2006 12:29 PM

It can be "Either Islam will destroy Jihad or Jihad will destroy Islam."

this could make a great slogan, KJ.

but you overestimate the average organizational ability of the world's muslims. The violent jihadists themslves are working very hard to organize and painfully disrupt the lives of people around the world. of all the people killed by jihad bis saif, who have they targeted the most?

i didn't run the numbers yet, but i bet you anything its other muslims.

Posted by: jehana at April 22, 2006 1:03 PM

All,

I mentioned this in an earlier post. A few days ago I came through New York on the way back from Europe. JFK had no flights to where I was going, so I had to take a cab to La Guardia. This is my first New York Airport cab ride in Years, and was quite enlightening.

1. Virtually all the cab and Limo drivers I saw at the Airport (JFK) were openly "Islamic" (Skullcaps, Clothes, Beards, etc.). My cab driver had a mean look on his face as me and a couple of fellow military members got in the back of his cab (we weren't in uniform, but you can tell military guys a mile away).

2. Right in front of my face in the passenger compartment was a prayer to Allah in Arabic and English. The context of the prayer was a clear rejection of Christianity/Jesus as God. Throughout the cab was various Muslim symbols and prayers. The presentation was Islam as "religion of peace". Sucker in the infidel before letting him know about the 109 violent verses abrogating those "peace" verses.

3. I caught on that cab drivers in New York, even the official Airport taxi drivers, are fully engaged in a Da'wa campaign.

4. This is absolutely shocking to me. New York was the site of the murder of 3,000 in the name of Allah. Additionally, we all know that if the official airport taxis had Christian Prayers and symbols all over, the ACLU would be all over it.

Think of all the taxi passengers who are bamboozled in this Da'wa. I'm quite sure that the cab drivers are able to develop conversation with Muslim and non-Muslim passengers about "various issues".

I had to think: Are New Yorkers that stupid or apathetic? Does the average citizen care? What will it take for some kind of wake-up call? A nuke? Isn't a cab driver the perfect person to pass on terror plans/information.

I think we ought to form "counter-Da'wa" campaigns: Purposely take these "Da'wa taxis" and try to talk some sense/truth into the radical drivers. They would not be prepared for some "in your face" truth about Islam.

Random thoughts. Any New Yorkers on this site: Please wake up and help.

Posted by: hello123 at April 22, 2006 1:42 PM

Islamic THINKERS Society?

Awful what passes for thinking these days.

Deport them back to the 7th Century.

Daryl

Posted by: daryl at April 22, 2006 1:48 PM

WOW, Wow what a scenario and I really like it as they got a possible scenario to think about, the ones that read this site. Hooray for little Israel that has demonstrated since the begining and now in recent times they do protect themselves.
I must say one critical bit though: Are those jihadists that foolish to really launch against Israel and suffer the obvious consequences or do it over a period of say 600 or 700 years thru dhimmitude or "flagrant subversion."

Posted by: cmor at April 22, 2006 1:54 PM

See, Freewoman is thinking along the same lines am.

I have to be honest. I am a bit confused. I mean, I like to consider myself bright, but, perhaps I have only a simplistic grasp of the world afterall..

How are the words spoken -- referring to the UN as illegal and funded by the U.S. government, when taken in conjunction with the Islamic Flag over the White House NOT ACTS OF TREASON.

How is that not construed as the blatent delclaration of war against this government that it is?

So, if they lied their way through their citizenship test -- TREASON.

If not send their pathetic selves back to wherever they came from.

Unless (and yes, sooooo UnPC of me) of course, there might be space availabe at Gitmo!

I am sick of this crap going unanswered and ignored by our officials.

Posted by: toleranceorappeasement? at April 22, 2006 2:55 PM

I disagree that Israel will nuke the islamic world wholesale if it gets nuked. Israel, being Jews, believes in an eye for an eye. They have never lashed back in a 100:1 ratio. Their responses have always been measured. If Tel aviv is nuked, they will nuke a city of equal size. And only one. There will be no mass islamic holocaust. The only thing saving the Islamic world from that fate is the fact that only one country, iran, is stupid enough to attack Israel with nukes, and they probably will have only one bomb when they do.

Posted by: thethinker at April 22, 2006 2:57 PM

hello123:

Though I am not a traditionally religious man by any standard, I would be one of the first to rise up and demand to know why Christianity is being so mishandled in the United States by the ACLU, Feminist groups and all the other liberal scum that don't mind a Muslim call-to-prayer tower in Michigan, but they force the removal of the Cross from the city seal of Los Angeles.

I feel that the time is not too far away when each one of us is going to have to choose sides and the vast majority of people in the United States are going to choose the West, Judeo-Christianity and all it represents.

The rest, well, they will be pushed into the ocean, of course. Americans can only take so much nonsense and everything you read here on a daily basis is like the steam squeaking around the edges of a cork: and it's about to blow.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 22, 2006 3:40 PM

Hello123, Did Y'all leave a tip?

Posted by: Pelayo at April 22, 2006 4:19 PM

LEGALITY OF MASS EXPULSION OF ALL MOSLEMS AFTER THE JIHAD BOMB GOES OFF

Having established that profession of Islam is a crime of treason according to the United States Constitution, we must move on to a more important question: Will it be constitutional to expulse all Moslems, en masse, when the time comes?

After the bomb or biological attack goes off mass murdering a million or so Americans maybe, just maybe, Americans will awake from their slumber and demand that their corrupt politicians put a lid on this Moslem thing. You know, saving our lives and freedom and that kinda stuff.

So, as the radiation dust settles over the poor city “enlightened” by the distilled thermonuclear wisdom of that hairy sex pervert Mohammed, our Congress will be amped up to do something, hopefully.

But when it comes time for our enervated Congress to act, our corrupt judiciary will have no choice but to deny our rights to security and freedom based on the Constitutional freedoms of Moslem-citizens. Obviously, the requirement will be to expulse en masse all Moslem-citizens so as to save ourselves and our freedom from koranic jihad, but, alas, our judges will be left no choice, their hands will be tied.

Really? Does the Constitution mandate suicide in the face of jihad? What to do? Let us refer to the source for enlightenment. No, not the koran, the Constitution:

In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.
--- the Constitution of the United States of America, Article III Section 2

So there’s the out. The Constitution explicitly confers jurisdiction to the Supreme Court only lawsuits involving State Dept., other federal employees, and squabbles between the 50 states.

Congress has the explicit power to deal the 9 Marxists & RINOs out by passing a law that prohibits them from ruling on behalf matters Islam. Pass a law, round them up, and send them on their way. And send the bill to the Nation of Islam demanding payment in full for the transportation and handling costs.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 22, 2006 5:07 PM

Thinkers Society (ITS) held a rally yesterday outside of the Israeli Consulate in Manhattan

"Zionists, Zionists You will pay! The Wrath of Allah is on its way!
Israeli Zionists You shall pay! The Wrath of Allah is on its way!
The mushroom cloud is on its way! The real Holocaust is on its way"

Hugh - a very intersting report, the link is even more colourful.

The references this type of group has made, constantly remins me of the protestations these people have made over the years, and its monotony is as consistant as is their purile content.

I am glad that these people are able to excercise their opinions in the west it allows us to identify them easier. but, it is unfortunate that the our own press has been less willing in not adopting a more courageous stance and done the same.

Where are the likes of the reporters from the Washington Post when you need them ?

Posted by: Peter at April 22, 2006 5:07 PM

Pelayo,

Ha! Good one. Nope, we left no tip. The guy did not want anyone to sit next to him in the shotgun seat (and he kept the glass closed, so I couldn't perform any counter-Da'wa. I might go back to NY and get a taxi just for that purpose.

Posted by: hello123 at April 22, 2006 5:08 PM

Hello123 - about your cab ride: You see those jihadwatch bumper stickers for sale in the upper left hand corner of the homepage? The great thing about bumper stickers is that they stick. I'm not sure where in the cab this Allah's prayer was that was right in your face but assuming that it wasn't on the glass partition itself but rather on the back of the driver's seat, I would recommend slapping one of those directly on top of any Islamic propoganda one sees in a cab (on the back of the drivers seat) or even sticking one on the back of the driver's seat itself. The rider will be long gone from the cab by the time the driver notices it. (Sorry, it's the mischievous 10 year old in me talking here. Me and by best friend would have had a field day back then playing this game (and seriously giggling afterwards), provided someone paid for our cab fare:-))

Posted by: Caroline at April 22, 2006 5:21 PM

Alarmed Pig Farmer, it would be nice if we could deport the whole lot of them, rather than only deporting the ones that actually dirty their hands with terrorism as we do now.

I consider all Islamics to be enemies of the state. Only a small fraction are terrorists, but the rest are sympathizers. Sympathizers are just as dangerous. Because, should they find themselves in a position to help the jihad, they can spring into action and become a terrorist in situ.

All terrorists were at one point, merely sympathizers that got an opportunity. Since the Koran states that all muslims must fight the infidels at every turn, and kill them, then any muslim is by default a spy behind enemy lines. Usually spies are executed. As a liberal, I can not support executing all the muslims in the West. So we must deport them.

Case in point. On my street, there is a corner house that was bought by arabs. They all drive taxi cabs. Some nights, there have been up to 20 cabs parked on the street. I used to joke that they were having a terrorist meeting.

Well, to my surprise, I guess I am a naive liberal, the police raided that very house and lo and behold, the owner was a known international terrorist operative! Literally just a hundred yards from my front door. They were having jihad meetings. Those taxi cab drivers were terrorist sympathizers. It sure as hell wasn't poker and beer night.

The point of this story is to illustrate the point that where you have muslims, you will have terrorists. A liberal looks and sees just a taxi cab driver. The reality is that islamic taxi cab drivers are either terrorists, or sympathizers waiting to become terrorists. Either way, they need to be removed from the country, simply on the ground that they are islamic. That alone is logically reason enough to get rid of them.

Posted by: thethinker at April 22, 2006 5:26 PM

thinker did you consider they drive taxis to map out our cities?

Posted by: Ronin at April 22, 2006 5:32 PM

http://www.foehammer.net/2006/04/jihadist-pro-suicide-bombing-rally-in.html

The video in an automatic start format, plus a link to the older video, both now hosted on my blog.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 22, 2006 5:40 PM

thethinker: "a terrorist in situ."

from Wikipedia: "In oncology, for a carcinoma which is a cancer of an epithelium, in situ means that malignant cells are present in the epithelium but has not invaded beyond the basal lamina into deeper tissues." ("Has" not? Who edits this stuff?)

You've coined a term that deserves a place in our lexicon relating to the jihad. "Terrorist in situ". LOL!

Posted by: Caroline at April 22, 2006 5:44 PM

Foehammer I didn't watch all of it but I saw enough to notice no one stopped to sign up for good ol islam. The passersby ignored them. My first thought was much more primitive but I am a proud islamaphobe. I don’t have a 12 step program to cure myself as my magazines hold a few more rounds than that. It is ironic if these same clowns protested anything in an islamic country they would already be burning next to old mo, We protect them because they are obviously deranged. The day that black flag flies over the White House I will recall myself back to active duty. I sure hope the old security guy at Walmart moves out of my way (I’m betting he would join me). Hopefully, it will not come to that but it is starting to look mighty bleak.

Posted by: Ronin at April 22, 2006 5:51 PM

Re my 5:21 post - I would be remiss if I didn't warn our 10 year old readers to please wear gloves before pulling that stunt. Think like Nancy Drew.:-)

Posted by: Caroline at April 22, 2006 5:55 PM

Lol, Caroline I never thought of that and I routinely bother muslim cabbies. I will place an order

Posted by: Ronin at April 22, 2006 5:58 PM

Hello. My name is Caroline. And I am Islamophobic.

Ronin- I'll never forget you for that. Right on! :-)

Posted by: Caroline at April 22, 2006 6:45 PM

In response to Hugh's remark that Israelis avoid understanding their [our] reality, a small bit of good news. The Ro'im `Olam Saturday evening TV show featured real life film clips of Arab and other Muslim terrorists giving the Nazi upraised-arm salute. The clips were from a documentary prepared with the consultation of Prof. Robert Wistrich of the Hebrew University about the danger of Islamic fascism [I would call it Islamo-Nazism]. Wistrich later discussed the meaning and implications of the film clips, of Iran's official Nazi-like threats, etc. He correctly pointed out that the Nazis hid their genocidal intentions, whereas Iran and the Arab terrorists generally frankly declare their genocidal intentions. Wistrich was treated with respect and attention by the show's host, Ya`aqov Ahime'ir.

Posted by: Eliyahu at April 22, 2006 6:45 PM

Further, Commentary magazine, published by the American Jewish Committee, has an article by Prof. Efraim Karsh in its last issue [April] on Islamic imperialism throughout history [refuting the usual gooey saccharine picture of Islamic love, peace, and tolerance since Muhammad won over the Jews of Khaybar with peaceful hugs and kisses]

http://www.commentarymagazine.com

Maybe somebody is waking up.

Posted by: Eliyahu at April 22, 2006 6:53 PM

Eliyahu - apparently you live in Israel. Could you please explain to me how it is apparently the case that the majority of the citizens of the tiny nation of Israel, lying there so vulnerably, in the vast sea that comprises the Muslim ME, are apparently so ignorant about the aims of Islamic jihad? You posted:

"In response to Hugh's remark that Israelis avoid understanding their [our] reality, a small bit of good news.."

I guess my question is - is Hugh right or wrong that Israeli's avoid understanding their reality? And if they do, then why? I live in North Carolina, USA. Lots of Mexicans, yes, but few Muslims, no involvement with 9/11 etc and yet it took me like 5 seconds after discovering who Muhammad was historically to put all the puzzle pieces together. Like they say, it ain't rocket science. So how on earth is it possible that the majority of Israeli's, after all these years, don't get what is going on?

Posted by: Caroline at April 22, 2006 7:06 PM

I've never ridden in a N.Y. cab, but I have the cabs in Las Vegas. I know the M.E. drivers will take you around the entire city to get you two blocks down the street. They understand WHERE you want to go, but when you start to ask them where are you taking us, they act as if they don't understand English. It's kinda scary. So now I just drive to there so I don't have to use public transportation and be at their mercy.

Posted by: freewoman at April 22, 2006 7:51 PM

When Pharoah's heart is hardened - it is an omenous sign - for Pharoah. Those who made Israel their enemy and proposed unconditional death, have been made the enemy of the world - by their own devices, by default.

There is no better weapon provided to Israel than Hamas and Iran's Ayatollah. The radicals are not attacking Israel, but the world's stability. When this is understood, so will Heaven's ways be understood. Note how many nations the radicals are accusing and what their message is - and let Israel be comforted. This is happening in our midst, by default. It is not the work of the Mossad and it is not a Zionist Plot.

The EU and UN have been stumped by their own fosterings. Frank N. Stein has made a U-Turn.
The score is two Regimes down and two on the world's target path. Else Europe and America will burn - this is Islam's message to the world.

Israel was and is made as a Light unto the Nations. Thanks to Hamas and Iran's Ayatollah. Believe it.

Posted by: IamJoseph at April 22, 2006 8:23 PM

Two points:

1. Israel believes in an eye for an eye as a poster noted above; they will destroy an Iranian city with a single missle. I also agree that the destructinon of an Israli city will mean the end of Israel. Most surviving Jews will get out . . . most to the US, Canada, Autralia and Europe. With great sadness, I expect this to happen sometime in the next 20 years. The Muslims will inherit a nuclear wasteland. Maybe 3-500 hundred thousand Jews will die, the remaining five million will leave. It's not just the Iranians. The Pakistanis could slip a bomb to a terrorist group and use, say, a bus. Egypt and Saudia Arabia are alarmed by Iran and will develop their own Islamic bomb, but the biggest threat is Iran. They will close in on Israel by stealth, creating plausible deniability, leading the West to ask who did it? Bin Laden using a suitcase bomb? The North Koreans or Pakistanis sold a bomb to some Islamist group?

2. Hugh's scenario, as always, is spot on. The only problem is it appears dire at first blush. Who wants to face the awefull fact that we are in a war of civilizations. It is so much 'easier' to wish it away, curry favor with the arabs, keep Israel on a leash, and go on 'listening tours' of the middle east, while, at the same time, inviting Saudi 'youth' into our country for college. But, is it better to know you have cancer when it can be cured? To get an unpleasant shock that you're sick, while it can still be cured? Or, like a patient of mine recently, to discover you have cancer when it is too late?

Posted by: biorabbi at April 22, 2006 10:18 PM

Aye, DC Watson (PBUY) and I'll tak' a dram o' Takbeer fro' ye case if ye dinnae mind, laddie.

Posted by: islamophobic pride at April 22, 2006 11:54 PM

Someone in the states needs to organise a counter-protest movement. Whenever these jihadi freaks decide to openly advocate mass-murder of the infidels, a bunch of infidels have every right to go to the same location and call for the elimination of islam from their society. It has to be totally outrageous and get the MSM's attention, and that won't be too hard if the protest is in any way against islam.

"BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT INFIDELS!!!

Posted by: Mr Krabs at April 23, 2006 12:26 AM

Caroline,

Thanks and great idea. My general "anti-Da'wa" technique (when I can engage the Muslim in conversation): I quote Sura 3:7 and 5:46-47. These verses essentially say the Christian Bible is true (and Mohammed is supposed to be the "final revelation"). I then go on to ask the obvious question of why Muslims believe the Jewish Temple never existed, Jesus wasn't crucified, Ishmael was the chosen son, Haman was connected with the Egyptians, Mary was sister of Moses, etc. etc. etc. The response is usually that the Christian Bible was distorted. My response is the massive evidence against that claim: The New Testament writings were begun within 2 decades of the crucifixion. The authors make claims could be easily refuted by those against Christianity with knowledge of the facts. The earliest surviving manuscript (John 18) is from only decades after it was written: just after 100 AD. There are over 10,000 early original written manuscripts of the Gospels and Pauls letters (by the way, these writings were accepted by the Earliest Church fathers 200 years before the council of Nicea). This is far, far, far greater authenticity than any other historical writing (Herodotus, Caesars G. Wars, Josephus, etc.). Additionally, I point out that the fact that the Old Testatament is the exact Hebrew Canon. The Hebrew Canon was finished about 450 BC, yet accepted by Christians and Jews as the correct writings. Additionally, the basic facts of the crucifixion and Jesus' miracles are confirmed in 27 extra-Christian historical sources. I also point out that the Koran was written 600 years after the Christian Canon was closed.

Bottom line: When Muslims get all the facts, particularly the common sense contradictions, they finally begin to question the garbage in the Koran. They read the darned thing critically and start to question. Once they begin to question, it's all over. Islam requires blind, unquestioning adherence (like any cult). It is held together by fear, coersion, threats. This is why I have hope it will fall apart

We can help push this process by boldly criticizing Mohammed and the Koran. The information campaign is crucial, as nobody will become Muslim if they have the facts.

Posted by: hello123 at April 23, 2006 7:26 AM

Hello123, you have made an excellent point.

KJ, while I've softened to you recently, I can assure you that China will not help the West against Islam. Indeed, China is probably an important source of nuclear technology for both Pakistan and Iran. It is also very clear that they are playing a Sa'udi-style double game with the USA over North Korean (an ally as close to Beijing as the lips are to the teeth--something that is often said in Chinese, but not in English).

Posted by: Kepha at April 23, 2006 12:27 PM

Sorry for the two posts.

BTW, next time there's such a rally as this one, we need to get a bunch of rough, unemployed types togather to pelt it with bits of pig intestine (preferably unwashed).

Posted by: Kepha at April 23, 2006 12:29 PM

thinker, it's hip nowadays to throw the term "cognitive dissonance" around, but our handling of Islam positively begs that this concept of be applied. People --- both individuals and whole societies --- can come to accept contradictions so large that by deduction it is established that in matters related to the two things being dissonated --- Islam is good versus Islam clearly unabashedly states its intention to destroy our civilization and replace it with tyranny and animalism --- absolutely must amount to a mistaken condition. Sometimes logical deduction is conclusive, and our cognitive dissonance on Islam is such a case. That our approach to Islam is mistaken is a provable fact not open to any serious argument.

Being mistaken about a maniacal enemy and mortal threat like Moslems is, well, suicidal.

An historian once observed that civilizations don't die of old age, they commit suicide. Cognitive dissonance enables the process of suicide. Our leaders Tony, Dubya, Jacques, and that tiresome moron Condi clearly state that Islam is a peaceful and progressive and a good thing, they really mean it. Think about that. That’s dissonance at its harshest.

Did I mention Michael Savage and Bill O'Reilly? Meant to. There's nothing more egregious than a mistaken correction... except maybe for a mistaken pompous ass.

We'll use our media to infect ourselves, but it is strictly verboten to use it to correct ourselves. Suicide-by-Islam is cognitive dissonance at its highest, a depraved process enabled by a very queer notion of politesse.

The position of Islam within civilized culture is unbelievable, literally. We all know that dar al Islam is an uncivilized and filthy place. Ever been there? I have. Such filth, and I’m not just talking about all the trash and garbage and litter and stench hanging about. Moslems totally lack any morals, conscience, and ethics, but they're to be complimented for their relentless commitment to achieving their principles and goals, which are awful.

The world’s four great civilizations --- Judeo-Christian, Buddhist, Confucian, and Hindu --- have been dissonating on Islam for 1,400 years now. Yet, Judeo-Christian scientists invented WMD 60 years ago, creating a new set of circumstances. The cognitive dissonance on Islam thing must be put to a halt.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 23, 2006 1:44 PM

On this Divine Mercy Sunday, take confort in this :

The Christian faith is growing bigtime in the global south and that will mean that there will be missionaries being sent not only to the West which is very much needed, but to the Muslim world. The Muslims are fearful of a growing Christianity, so this is why they are stepping up the jihad, because they know that Islam is on the way out. Even there are Muslims that are leaving Islam at great risk to accept Christ.

To those who are Catholic, a good Divine Mercy Sunday, the Orthodox, a Blessed Happy Easter.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 23, 2006 5:54 PM