In his opening, Stolar said Siraj had no interest in violence until the informant approached him with photos of prisoners being abused at Abu Ghraib and told him it was his duty as a Muslim to retaliate

That's not a legal defense. It's political rhetoric. Lawyers defending jihadis are just going to have to talk the defendant into pleading insanity and hope the jury knows nothing about Islam.

Posted by: Beagle at April 27, 2006 10:29 AM

If he were that "naive," as the article alleges, the informant could have just told him to saw open some golf balls and harvest the plutonium inside.

Posted by: Shinoliite at April 27, 2006 10:30 AM

I should have been clearer. Entrapment as a legal defense puts an affirmative burden on the the defense to prove the defendant had no predisposition to commit the crime. The notion photographs could be a lure to commit mass murder is novel to say the least. Even putting millions of dollars in cash (cocaine? I forget.) in front of struggling John DeLorean wasn't entrapment to sell cocaine according to the jury or the appellate courts.

"His duty as a Muslim" has no legal meaning whatsoever. It is interesting that yet another defense attorney - like Hamza's - has decided to use the "Islam made him do it" defense.

If accepted by an appellate court, ever, criminals will "convert" en masse.

Posted by: Beagle at April 27, 2006 10:37 AM

l dont see how long it will take before one screwed muslim does his jihad in the US, the media will cover it up again.. no mention of how it coincides with the religion of pieces!

Posted by: Lulu at April 27, 2006 10:45 AM

Hugh,

I cry uncle. Muslim immigration IS policy madness.

Posted by: Quijybo at April 27, 2006 10:47 AM

This is what aggravates me. The media, Bush and everyone else with a microphone and camera, still today, claim there has not been another terrorist attack on our soil since 9/11. Sure this guy was caught before he did anything. But, what about the guy in OKC blowing himself up at the ball game? Sure, he just blew up the bus stop. What about the guy in Chapel Hill? Sure he didn't KILL anyone. What about the guy in Chandler AZ who drove his vehicle through the Home Depot? Well, sure, he just killed the dog and burnt the paint department.

These are all terrorist attacks. Some may have been caught before they carried out their plans but what about the others? Just because someone wasn't killed doesn't mean it wasn't terrorist related. It was still jihad.

I've wondered about other "accidents" involving train wrecks, truck accidents, businesses exploding, and how the MSM rushes in to say it was not terrorism.

Are they basing the interpretation of terrorist attacks on how many were killed or property damage?

Authorities need to open their eyes and see that, especially if a muslim says the word jihad, it's terrorism.

Posted by: freewoman at April 27, 2006 10:52 AM

Oh heck. DeLorean was found not guilty. Forget that part.

The government must "create" the crime, in essence. In this case, it was inevitable the defendant would see Abu Ghraib photos. He couldn't walk past a newspaper machine containing the New York Times, for months, without seeing a front-page story, often with a photo. He couldn't watch television without the ubiquitous hooded-man-on-box-with-wires photo.

Furthermore, saying "his duty as a Muslim" is tantamount to admitting a predisposition to commit the crime. It doesn't matter if a predisposition to crime is based in religion.

Posted by: Beagle at April 27, 2006 10:53 AM

In case anyone missed it, I'd like to point out the name of the informant: Osama. It's nice to see an example of a muslim actively fighting terrorism despite being named after public enemy #1.

Posted by: Shalom at April 27, 2006 11:03 AM

Robert --

Askling permission of your parents if you wish to go on Jihad (the Hadith above needs to have its meaning explained in more detail based on the commentaries) leads to the following:

"Mother, may I go out and kill the Infidels?"

I think Muslim websites may also provide some amusing discussions of when you should ask your parents. And of course what should you do if your parents do not agree: "You're grounded, mister!" I'm sure a way has been found around that possibility. Who wants to be grounded when so many others are having such fun?

Family values, family values. Tradition, just like in Fiddler on the Roof. No wonder that Muslim apologists, such as Mustafa Akyol, and all those Muslims smilingly greeting Christians and Jews for those "dialogues" at Mosque Outreach Nights, like to stress that "strong emphasis on family values that unite believers of all three abrahamic faiths."

Some non-Muslims may feel good about those family values and respect for one's elders demonstrated by the need to let one's parents know, that one is going off to wage war on Infidels, and to seek prior approval.

I can't bring myself to share that feeling.

Posted by: Hugh at April 27, 2006 11:11 AM

These two individuals met at a Muslim bookstore...I'd very much like to know what is being sold in this bookstore, particularly (but not merely) books written in Arabic or in Urdu and imported from the dar al-Islam as well as those books published here, in those same languages. I'm sure there are also plenty of interesting books in English that would raise the hackles of any unbeliever, should they take the time to inspect the bookstore's inventory. I would also like to know what pamphlets and leaflets are on display (or maybe not on display, but available on request - just ask the clerk, who is a member of the masjid where the obligation to wage holy war is a ubiquitous topic, endlessly propounded by its imam - but not, of course, in English, lest any infidel be present). Freedom of speech may permit such bookstores to exist, but the FBI should take note, and, if my suspicions are borne out concerning the pernicious and seditious (e.g. replacement of the constitution with Sharia law)raison d'etre of such establishments, this should be publicized by the government, thereby identifying them for what they are, which, presumably, will discourage any Muslims from frequenting them (lest they be viewed with the suspicion they deserve, and monitored accordingly). As a result, bookstores such as these will likely have to close from lack of business. If they remain open, the government should then monitor their finances to determine how a business which operates at a loss can remain afloat.

Posted by: commonsense at April 27, 2006 11:27 AM

Last time I looked in one of those arabic-Urdu bookstores out in the boroughs of NY they invariably had The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. That and the Koran.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at April 27, 2006 12:01 PM

Free Woman;
Once again you're right. A near miss is still too close for me. Yeah, no one was killed but what will it take. As a Marine, we were taught that you only have to take the enemy one at a time. While doing that study him. Watch him and his habits. Look for weaknesses in their defense. That is what these Islamofeces are doing.
We may count it as a victory, but is it?
Sure, the Islamofeces are going to stand trial, but at what cost? "We the People" are paying for the legal defense of this Islamofeces. This IS being noticed by the ENEMY. And the shyster's argument, "He was naive" does not hold water. I guess that if I got together with some "soul brothers" and not only kidnaped a whiteman, but tied him to a tree, mutilated his body, lit him on fire while still alive, and then hung him by the neck, I could use the argument that I was infuriated from reading about the Jesse Washington lynching. And wanted to deal out justice on the whiteman in America. Common sense tells anyone this is just out and out murder in the first degree.
This Islamofeces knew what he was doing was wrong. At 21 or 23 years of age he more than knows right from wrong. He knew that wat he was going to do was going to bring about somebody's death. So does the enemy. Set up or not, no one can make you anything that youreally don't want to do. Just as easily as he said yes, he could have easily said no, religion be damned. If something is wrong then it's wrong. No gray areas.
This is why lawyers are thought of as shysters. There is no way that an American lawyer can actually defend this Islamofeces with out selling himself. Besides, this Islamofeces is a Muslim. He's waging jihad against America. Fraudi Arabia can afford a good Muslim lawyer for him.
Lets just hope that we do have another 9/11 style attack on our shore's in this time or any other.

Posted by: Ironman Hondo at April 27, 2006 12:25 PM

Once again you make a supreme point, Robert: Westerners have got to refrain from trying to imprint our own cultural interpretations upon our enemies!!! We do not think the same way that Islamists think -- therefore we must research them to understand them, like Robert and many others have done successfully. It is an imperetive that we cease listening to the prattle coming from most times ill-educated, biased and (dare I say it) DUMB media reporters. The problem with news today is that they are all so busy editorializing and pontificating that they do not deliver us the TRUTH!

Damn most of them for the fools that they are and the amount of danger they are putting the world into by constantly ignoring the roots of the very stories that they report on!

Posted by: Foehammer at April 27, 2006 12:40 PM

Just checked my copy of "The Lawful and The Prohibited in Islam" (Al-Halal Wal Haram Fil Islam) by Yusuf al-Qaradawi, at present the most famous guide in Sunni Islam to what is haram and halal.

On pages 234-235 al-Qaradawi discusses the need for those going on "violent" Jihad (qital) to ask permission of their parents:

The Parent's Consent for Jihad

Pleasing one's parents is considered so iportant in Islam that the son is forbidden to volunteer for jihad without his parent's permission, in spite of the fact that fighting in the cause of Allah (jihad fi sabeel Allah) has such great merit in Islam that the merit of a person who spends his nights in prayery and days in fasting falls short of it.

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin al''As,
A man came to the Prophet (peace be on him) and asked his permission to go for jihad. The Prophet (peace be on him) asked, 'Are your parents living?' 'Yes,' he replied. The Prophet (peace be on him) then aid, 'Then strive in their service,' [reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim]

meaning that taking care of parents is a greater obligation than jihad in the cause of Allah.

'Abdullah also narrated,
A man came to the Prohpet (peace be on him) and said 'I take the oath of allegiance to you for hijrah (emigration to Medinah) and jihad, seeking reward from Allah.' The Prophet (peace be on him) enquired whether either of his parents were living. On his replying that both of them were, the Prophet (peace be on him) then said, 'Go back to your parents and be a good companion to them.'[reported by al-Bukhari and others]

'Abdullah further narrated,
A man came to the Prophet(peace be on him) and said 'I have come to swear allegiance to you for hijrah, and I have left my parents weeping.' The Prophet (peace be on him) said to him, 'Return to them and make them laugh as you made them weep.'[reported by Muslim]

Abu Sa'id reported that
A man from Yemen migrated to Madinah be with with the Prophet(peace be on him). The Prophet(peace be on him) asked him, 'Do you have any relatives in Yemen?' He ansered, 'My parents.' 'Did you get their permission?' the Prophet (peace be on him) asked. On his replying that he did not, the Prophet (peace be on him) told him, 'Go back to them and ask their permission. If they agree to it, go on jihad. Otherwise stay and serve them.' [reported by Abu Daoud]

Posted by: Hugh at April 27, 2006 12:48 PM

"Mother, may I go out and kill the Infidels?" Posted by: Hugh

For something like that, Siraj might have been better off checking with Daddy.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 27, 2006 12:59 PM

Now, run along and play with the semtex, dear.

Posted by: Yojimbo at April 27, 2006 2:14 PM

and all those Muslims smilingly greeting Christians and Jews for those "dialogues" at Mosque Outreach Nights, like to stress that "strong emphasis on family values that unite believers of all three abrahamic faiths."
Hugh you must be a real smoothie at going to these functions, along with eating their food. l would like to go to one of these with a pro and watch and learn how to disarm muslims them with their own words. wish Robert and Company would hold classes, as l would be the first to sign up for one!

Posted by: Lulu at April 27, 2006 2:48 PM

I'd like to email Associated Press and complain about their reporter, Tom Hays, who did such shoddy work as Spencer shows above, and particularly to show them Hugh's information from Qaradawi, which is particularly damning.

I went to the AP website, but they are really behind the times: there is nothing interactive there, no discussion forum, and no apparent way to contact them for feedback, other than to submit a story to them.

If anyone finds an email address to contact them with consumer feedback, I'd appreciate it.

Posted by: Television at April 27, 2006 3:05 PM

There you go:

http://www.ap.org/pages/contact/contact.html

BTW, spaeking of emails, has anyone else had a response back from the German Interior Minister? Mine said he had been "quoted out of context by the media".

Posted by: Yojimbo at April 27, 2006 3:19 PM

I hope they are going after his mother since she must of given her blessing.

Posted by: MarktheInfidel at April 27, 2006 4:14 PM

This is off the subject, but just thought I'd post it here:

Has anyone ever noticed that on the website www.islamophobia-watch.com the comments tag is always off! In contrast to this website which allows anyone to jibe in.

Wouldn't want any interpretation or negative anti-dhimmi spin posted. It might enlighten someone!

Posted by: detoquevilledisciple at April 27, 2006 4:15 PM

Here's another appalling set of circumstances:

Kidnapping in Pakistan has reached endemic proportions ...

... crimes have grown more brutal ... Suni Sethi, a nine-year-old girl who was kidnapped in Gujranwala. After £4,800 was paid in ransom the kidnappers dropped the child's dead body on her mother's doorstep.

Kidnapping now endemic in Pakistan frontier province

There is no Islamic country anywhere that is not either a total basketcase or in the process of declining into one. And whenever the mainstream media gets into the habit of holding one up for the admiration of infidels next minute you find out something like this. And much of the crime across Europe, some of it extremely nasty, seems to be down to Muslims, as this new piece from Fjordman makes clear:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1019

What will it take for the dimwits in the media, in government, in charge of immigration policy to make the connection?

Posted by: Yojimbo at April 27, 2006 4:32 PM

commensense,

I believe I know exactly what bookstores the story means, I walk by them everyday in Brooklyn on Atlantic Avenue. One of the most common titles I see in the store windows, is a small book called "10 Things which Nullify One's Islam".

This title exists in several forms on the web, but all of them clearly state, that to submit to the law of man is to no longer be a muslim.

I wish the local tv channels would go into one of these stores and do an investigative report on this.

Posted by: fides at April 27, 2006 4:45 PM

Robert Spencer: YOU HAVE A CHALLENGE

Universal Studios has put up a companion site to the homepage for United 93 that you are not going to believe: Why Do They Hate America? (Hat tip: Hot Air.)

Over the decades, with no clear identification with an empire, fundamentalism grew up within Islam with jihad as a focal point. Jihad is an idea that goes back to Muhammad and means “struggle.” Taken to an extreme, jihad can mean holy war against those who do not adhere to Islamic faith. There are many reasons for the acting out of such views – whether in the Middle East due to the development of the nation of Israel in the 1940s, or more recently the bombing of the U.S. embassies in Africa, the first World Trade Center bombing attempt, the USS Cole blast, the 9/11 catastrophe, or the British bombing of last year.

UPDATE at 4/27/06 9:23:48 am:

Another page at the site contains this blatant whitewash (very common in radical Islamic propaganda) of the word jihad, blaming the West for the interpretation of jihad as “holy war.” (Hat tip: Van Impe.)

In the West, “jihad” is generally translated as “holy war”, a usage the media has popularized. According to Islamic teachings, it is unholy to instigate or start war; however, some wars are inevitable and justifiable. If we translate the words “holy war” back into Arabic we find “harbun muqaddasatun”, or for “the holy war”, “al-harbu al-muqaddasatu”. We challenge any researcher or scholar to find the meaning of “jihad” as holy war in the Qur’an or authentic Hadith collections or in early Islamic literature. Unfortunately, some Muslim writers and translators of the Qur’an, the Hadith and other Islamic literature translate the term “jihad” as “holy war”, due to the influence of centuries-old Western propaganda. This could be a reflection of the Christian use of the term “Holy War” to refer to the Crusades of a thousand years ago. However, the Arabic words for “war” are “harb” or “qital”, which are found in the Qur’an and Hadith.

Via LGF
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=20284_Outrage_of_the_Day-_Universals_Root_Causes&only

Posted by: DP111 at April 27, 2006 5:00 PM

fides, along the same thread, one of the greatest achievements in the Christian dogma is the separation of Church and State. l am paraphrasing this, but Jesus was to of said, "what belongs to Rome is Rome..(government of the people) what belongs to Heaven belongs to me (God). With this meaing we have most the ingenius way to move humankind forward. unfortunately terrorist illerate, child molester and raper and killer of men and women Muhammud never clued on this leap in culture. Muhammud forged and stole from other cultures and relgions to create his own death cult "Islam".

Posted by: Lulu at April 27, 2006 5:01 PM

We must be more forthright and less p.c. in asking whether the perpetrators of certain 'familiar' acts of violence are Muslim. For instance, in Belgium the attackers of the 17 year-old Belgian boy for his MP3 player were originally thought to be 'North African' (again the M word was not mentioned) which, when it was found they were Polish, allowed the Minister acting a spokesman for the Belgian government to get on his high horse admonishing that these were NOT North Africans, the fact that Belgium has a problem with North African youth gang violence, notwithstanding. What everyone really wanted to ask was "Were they Muslim?" As it turns out...they WERE MUSLIM. The viscious coldbloodness of the crime led us to believe it may have been committed by Muslims and what do we find, after dancing around the question, afraid to use the "M" word, is that indeed, they are Muslim. Big surprise! (Via france-echoes.com):

http://en.france-echos.com/?p=84

Posted by: foreign devil at April 27, 2006 5:24 PM

I should have put this in bold

Robert Spencer: YOU HAVE A CHALLENGE

I do hope Robert sees the above post I put up, and the challenge.

Posted by: DP111 at April 27, 2006 5:27 PM

That Universal Studios site is sickening, and all too universal these days.

Posted by: Television at April 27, 2006 5:42 PM

I don't plan to see the movie. At least not now, not in the theaters; I can't rule out renting the dvd in the distant future.

But for now, I simply don't care to relive 9/11, and all of its awful images, let alone contribute to Hollywood's exploitation of a national tragedy for profit.

Posted by: Shinoliite at April 27, 2006 6:01 PM

DP111 - I checked out the link to the flight 93 film you posted. I have to say I was pleasantly surprised by a brief foray into the discussion forum. Plenty of non-dhimmis there and how! It's amazing how many folks are catching on. This is one film I will definitely be seeing (and its been a very long time since I paid to see a movie on the big screen). I hope its a major hit.

I don't know what to make of this quote from your link though:

"There are many reasons for the acting out of such views – whether in the Middle East due to the development of the nation of Israel in the 1940s, or more recently the bombing of the U.S. embassies in Africa, the first World Trade Center bombing attempt, the USS Cole blast, the 9/11 catastrophe, or the British bombing of last year."

Of all the events cited, only the creation of Israel is an ostensible "reason" for the jihad. The other events are merely examples of the jihad itself, not "reasons" for it. So this makes no sense at all. But maybe this is just sloppy grammar and what they are really trying to say is that there are many reasons for these various jihad events - the embassy bombings, the Cole, 9/11, 7/7 - but whatever those reasons ostensibly are, they fail to explain them.

One thing seems pretty clear from perusing the site. Univeral came under some pressure from Muslim groups to do some "interfaith dialogue" given the potentially emotionally incendiary nature of the film for American viewers. For whatever reason, Universal agreed. Which means that Muslims aren't happy about this film. Which means, like I said, I hope its a really big hit.

Posted by: Caroline at April 27, 2006 6:08 PM

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-04-27T122614Z_01_L27753846_RTRUKOT_0_TEXT0.xml
Palestinian militant killed in missile strike
April 27, 2006
GAZA (Reuters) - An Israeli missile strike killed a Palestinian militant and critically wounded another on Thursday in the Gaza Strip, medical officials said.
Security sources said earlier the two Islamic Jihad militants were dead, and ambulance crews took the men to the morgue. But a doctor who examined them said they were still alive and sent them to Shifa Hospital in Gaza City for surgery.
One of the two men, Wael Nassar, died shortly afterwards. The second militant was in critical condition, doctors said.
They were hit when an Israeli aircraft fired missiles at their car, which security sources said was loaded with rockets, as it drove on the coastal road in the Gaza Strip. The militants jumped out before the car exploded and fled on foot.

READ THE WHOLE THING??

KABOOM AINT JUST FOR CLEANING ANYMORE!!

PITY PITY PITY NOT!!

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-04-27T122931Z_01_L27486929_RTRUKOT_0_TEXT0.xml
Worried banks in Palestinian areas beef up security
April 27, 2006

WELL WHAT DO YOU EXPECT WHEN THEY PAY 22 MILLION TO MRS ARAFAT[YELLOW COWARD CURSED SWIMMING WITH THE WORMS] WHO LIVES IN FRANCE???

OH MY SAY IT AINT SO WHY AINT SHE LIVING IN GAZA??

WHAT ABOUT ALL THAT ARAB MONEY TO SUPPORT THE MONSTERS THEY MADE NO DIMMI TAX LET THE MULSUMS PAY FOR THESE MONSTERS!!

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-04-27T122614Z_01_L27569535_RTRUKOT_0_TEXT0.xml
New Palestinian force launched over Abbas veto
April 27, 2006
By Nidal al-Mughrabi
GAZA (Reuters) - About 50 masked Palestinian gunmen, pledging their allegiance to the Hamas-led government, held a training exercise on Thursday as part of a new police force opposed by President Mahmoud Abbas.
"We promise to God ... to be servants of Islam and the Muslims and to give our loyalty and support to the elected legitimate government," the militants chanted in a field in Gaza City as Israeli drones flew over the area.
The exercise was heavy on theatrics as gunmen from the Popular Resistance Committees (PRC), a grouping of militants from various factions, took cover behind trees and jumped from moving vehicles as journalists invited to the event watched.

OH MY SAY IT AINT SO READ THE WHOLE THING?

EARLIER CLASHES
Some 30 people were wounded in Gaza in clashes earlier in the week between gunmen from Abbas's Fatah faction and Hamas, violence related to his veto of the new unit and the ministry's appointment of a top militant to a senior security post

SO THEY ARE ISLAMIC TERRORIST KILLING OTHER ISLAMIC TERORIST?

NO WONDER THE WEST SAYS THOSE PEOPLE WILL NEVER GET IT??
THEY ARE NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF SAVAGES WHO JUST WANT TO KILL EACH OTHER ?

WILL I GUESS THOSE PEOPLE ARE RIGHT!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEVIED BY THEM AMEN

PS

http://www.beecy.net/frank/

Posted by: Catherine at April 27, 2006 6:16 PM

Lulu: "l am paraphrasing this, but Jesus was to of said, "what belongs to Rome is Rome..(government of the people) what belongs to Heaven belongs to me (God)."

“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s.”

Shinoliite - everything Hollywood does is for profit and thus is "exploitation" in some sense. But in my opinion, this is a celebration of American heroism in a time of war. That sort of celebration seems rather rare these days. For that reason I definitely plan to see it (unless and until I hear something to suggest some sort of moral equivalence in the film).

Posted by: Caroline at April 27, 2006 6:25 PM

It seems like for a couple of weeks after 9/11 the news and nearly everything on television was about the twin towers, Flight 93 and the Pentagon. And after that, it stopped because "someone" said it would only make us "hate" muslims , and that we as a nation needed to heal.

I'm not so sure we've healed, a lot may have forgotten. But as the dust died down from 9/11, it seems the muslims have begun to whine about this and that, file lawsuits, whitewash the koran so we don't get the truth of the savagery of what they worship, tell us fanatics have hijacked their religion...etc.

I think we need to be reminded of who they are, why they are here, what their sole purpose in life is. And I think we need to publicize EVERY sordid detail of the koran, the hadiths and the suras.

Posted by: freewoman at April 27, 2006 6:58 PM

Caroline thankyou for the exact words.. l am sorry by the time l went to school they were trying new stuff about putting thing into your own words, that is the meaning. my older brothers and sister were part of the generation where they had to memorize everything, and l was at the begining of the change. anyhow knowing the the exact words is superior. but anyhow these words that were spoken by Jesus had helped mold the West as it is today with government and religion, which helps aid people to question theory without fear of persecution, we had bumps along the road, but going in the right direction. Islam has no such mechanism for freedom of thought, speech, just a cult type sadistic religon.

Posted by: Lulu at April 27, 2006 7:27 PM

I really don't see much stopping these self-starters as long as the Ideology of Hate is spread online and at Islamic Centers. What I really worry about is the nuclear option that the more professionally trained cells will unleash. Sorry for plugging another book, but Paul L. Williams has a few excellent ones out on the subject, and he even gives Robert a nod with a few quotes from PIG.

Just to give you a sample of what keeps some folks up all night:

http://www.globalpolitician.com/articleshow.asp?ID=1170&cid=11

All the best,
Mac

Posted by: amana39 at April 27, 2006 7:29 PM

frreewoman: "And after that, it stopped because "someone" said it would only make us "hate" muslims , and that we as a nation needed to heal."

In the meantime the Muslims daily remind themselves in their mosques, in their endless replaying of videotapes of Muslims killed in Iraq etc (and are reminded by OUR own press, as in the endless publication of pictures from Abu Ghraib, the coverage of Gitmo and so on) - of their status as putative "victims". This one film, depicting real heroism on the part of Americans who really and truly WERE victims that day, cannot possibly be taken to be in any sense equivalent to the intentional, daily incitement towards hatred and frenzied hysteria amongst the Muslim masses all over the world that we've been exposed to in the past few years. No way. On the contrary, we are the victims of a war (a jihad) which has been declared against US. From everything I've read, this film merely depicts the factual events of that day as best as those facts can be discerned. We don't need to "heal" from facts such as these, when they are part of a still ongoing war. Screw these self-appointed "therapists".

Lulu - yes. That is the quote which is rather widely viewed as laying the foundation for the separation of church and state in the Judeo-Christian west.

Posted by: Caroline at April 27, 2006 7:33 PM

Hate to tell you all they be in jihad because of Isreal IT AINT SO HISTORY SHOWS A DIFFERENT SONG BEING PLAYED!!

http://www.zum.de/psm/rta/doa28.php
Reichstagsakten 1888/89, 7. Lp., Vol. 121, Attachment 41: Collection of Documents pertaining the Uprising in East Africa, No. 28: Directive to the Imperial ambassador in London
Friedrichsruh, October 28th 1888
It is to be desired that our agreement with England on fighting the slave trade and the import of weapons to East Africa will have the shape of an international agreement. Such a document would establish limits for the expansion of the continued expansion of the Muslim and slave trading movement, by the moral impression by the accord of the two European powers so far engaged there, and also, more propably, will lead to the cooperation of the other European states engaged. I propose the exchange of notifications between us and Britain, in which we take upon ourselves the obligation, under the condition (p.412) on an equal participation of Britain for the same purpose, to fight the anti-Christian and anti-civilizatoric movement which has emerged over the last years on the African continent, and to recognize the prohibition of the export of slaves and the import of arms and ammunition as the most effective means, as it is only the possession of superior arms ans ammunitions which enables the Arab and Muslim minority to undertake slave hunts and wars necessary to obtain slaves, and to keep up the superiority of their race in Africa's interior.
The slave trade and the initiative Britain has taken to combat it, have been origin and incentive to the union of all elements interested in the matter, and which have made it possible to use Muslim fanaticism in the interest of this over one thousand years old tradition of African slave trade and to call on them for war. The effects of this movement, large and small, can be seen in the positions of the Mahdi, of Tippu Tip and in the rising number of murders of Europeans in Africa's interior. To transfer christianity and European civilization to Africa by armed force is not feasible because of the width of the country and of the climate. The indigenous population would be susceptible to the European efforts if it was not suppressed by the force of arms, the higher intelligence and the
cohesion of the Arab Muslims. We could outmatch the latter only, if we strike at the source of their superiority, superior armament and the realisation of their profits, by the suppression of the import of arms and the export of slaves.
Therefore I regard it a task no Christian nation should exclude itself from, to interrupt as far as possible the import of weapons and ammunition to Africa's interior and the export of slaves. This task shall be mainly taken care of by the two powers most interested in the Sultanate of Zanzibar, Germany and Britain; but to its complete solution it is recommended, to, soon, gain the cooperation of the neighbouring Portuguese government and of His Majesty the King of Belgium for the Congo Free State. It is also recommended to kindly ask the French government for their cooperation, in order to prevent arms import into the Congo area and in order to end the abuse of the French flag in East Africa by Arab dhows.
Your Excellency will request Lord Salisbury to confirm his approval with these opinions by a note to Sir Edward Malet, in order to cause the British navy to join in a concerted blockade of the Zanzibar coast, and, like us, but operating separately, to ask the previously mentioned governments to decree respective instructions.
signed von Bismarck
Your Excellency the Imperial Ambassador
Count von Hatzfeldt

SO THIS WAS BEFORE 1948??

http://www.zum.de/psm/rta/doa8a.php
Reichstagsakten 1888/89, 7. Lp., Vol. 121, Attachment 41: Collection of Documents pertaining the Uprising in East Africa, Report from the Imperial consul general on Zanzibar
No.8, attachment no. 1, Report from District Chief of Lindi
Lindi, August 16th 1888
The Arab segment of the population of Lindi lives on the slave trade. All soldiers and Sultan's men are accomplices and receive their share in the robbery.
The main slave traders are :
Mahamadi Ngunga
Bachofa Hamed
Abid bin Zef
Halaal bin Zef
Salim bin Abdallah
Seliman, the Sultan's prison guard
Rashid de Pappa
and the Kadi Omani bin Jemali
The latter is given a large percentage for remaining silent.
British warships hardly ever have confiscated a slave dhow here and do not visit the port. Almost all the dhows sail under the French flag which they obtain from the consulate in Madagscar, as they have their ships measured there.
I remark simultanously that it is difficult to undertake anything here against slave trade, which is also profitable to the indigenous along the coast, without having a sufficient force at my disposal.
the district chief
Freiherr von Eberstein

YOU SEE WE HAVE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE BUT THE STAKES ARE MUCH HIGHER THEN MY SPELLING OR THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST??
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NUKES IN THE HANDS OF MONSTERS WHO WANT CONTROL OF THE WORLD ??

IF YOUR FEELINGS GET HURT GET OVER IT GROW UP AS THEY SAY??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and Courage to stay the course to Destroy ALL islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
PS
John Quincy Adams Knew Jihad
By Andrew G. Bostom
FrontPageMagazine.com | September 29, 2004
“Unsigned essays dealing with the Russo-Turkish War, and on Greece, written while JQA was in retirement, before his election to Congress in 1830” [Chapters X-XIV (pp. 267-402) in The American Annual Register for 1827-28-29. New York, 1830.]

John Quincy Adams possessed a remarkably clear, uncompromised understanding of the permanent Islamic institutions of jihad war and dhimmitude. Regarding jihad, Adams states in his essay series,

“…he [Muhammad] declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind…The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.”

NOTICE THAT IT IS AGAINST ALL MANKIND NOT JUST JEWS AND CHRISTIANS??
Confirming Adams’ assessment, the late Muslim scholar, Professor Majid Khadduri, wrote the following in his authoritative 1955 treatise on jihad, War and Peace in the Law of Islam :

“Thus the jihad may be regarded as Islam’s instrument for carrying out its ultimate objective by turning all people into believers, if not in the prophethood of Muhammad (as in the case of the dhimmis), at least in the belief of God. The Prophet Muhammad is reported to have declared ‘some of my people will continue to fight victoriously for the sake of the truth until the last one of them will combat the anti-Christ’. Until that moment is reached the jihad, in one form or another will remain as a permanent obligation upon the entire Muslim community. It follows that the existence of a dar al-harb is ultimately outlawed under the Islamic jural order; that the dar al-Islam permanently under jihad obligation until the dar al-harb is reduced to non-existence; and that any community accepting certain disabilities- must submit to Islamic rule and reside in the dar al-Islam or be bound as clients to the Muslim community. The universality of Islam, in its all embracing creed, is imposed on the believers as a continuous process of warfare, psychological and political if not strictly military.”3

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Posted by: Catherine at April 27, 2006 7:34 PM