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Jihad Watch Board Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald discusses a particular element of traditional Islamic family values: the need to ask permission of one's parents before going on jihad.
Family values, family values. Tradition.I just checked my copy of The Lawful and The Prohibited in Islam (Al-Halal Wal Haram Fil Islam) by Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi of Qatar, who is at present the most famous guide in Sunni Islam to what is haram and halal, a defender of suicide bombings, and the great friend of London Mayor Redken Livingstone.
On pages 234-235 al-Qaradawi discusses the need for those going on "violent" Jihad (qital) to ask permission of their parents:
The Parent's Consent for JihadPleasing one's parents is considered so important in Islam that the son is forbidden to volunteer for jihad without his parent's permission, in spite of the fact that fighting in the cause of Allah (jihad fi sabeel Allah) has such great merit in Islam that the merit of a person who spends his nights in prayer and days in fasting falls short of it.
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin al''As,
A man came to the Prophet (peace be on him) and asked his permission to go for jihad. The Prophet (peace be on him) asked, 'Are your parents living?' 'Yes,' he replied. The Prophet (peace be on him) then aid, 'Then strive in their service,' [reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim]meaning that taking care of parents is a greater obligation than jihad in the cause of Allah.
'Abdullah also narrated,
A man came to the Prohpet (peace be on him) and said 'I take the oath of allegiance to you for hijrah (emigration to Medinah) and jihad, seeking reward from Allah.' The Prophet (peace be on him) enquired whether either of his parents were living. On his replying that both of them were, the Prophet (peace be on him) then said, 'Go back to your parents and be a good companion to them.' [reported by al-Bukhari and others]'Abdullah further narrated,
A man came to the Prophet (peace be on him) and said 'I have come to swear allegiance to you for hijrah, and I have left my parents weeping.' The Prophet (peace be on him) said to him, 'Return to them and make them laugh as you made them weep.' [reported by Muslim]Abu Sa'id reported that
A man from Yemen migrated to Madinah be with the Prophet (peace be on him). The Prophet (peace be on him) asked him, 'Do you have any relatives in Yemen?' He answered, 'My parents.' 'Did you get their permission?' the Prophet (peace be on him) asked. On his replying that he did not, the Prophet (peace be on him) told him, 'Go back to them and ask their permission. If they agree to it, go on jihad. Otherwise stay and serve them.' [reported by Abu Daoud]Family values. Asking permission of your parents if you wish to go on Jihad (the Hadith above needs to have its meaning explained in more detail based on the commentaries) leads to the following:
"Mother, may I go out and kill the Infidels?"
I think Muslim websites may also provide some amusing discussions of when you should ask your parents. And of course what should you do if your parents do not agree: "You're grounded, mister!" I'm sure a way has been found around that possibility. Who wants to be grounded when so many others are having such fun?
Family values, family values. Tradition. No wonder that Muslim apologists, such as Mustafa Akyol, and all those Muslims smilingly greeting Christians and Jews for those "dialogues" at Mosque Outreach Nights, like to stress that "strong emphasis on family values that unite believers of all three abrahamic faiths."
Some non-Muslims may feel a certain consolation in the demonstration of family values and respect for one's elders that is manifested by the need to let one's parents know that one is going off to wage war on Infidels, or to even ask their permission to do so.
For the life of me (a phrase endowed here with its literal meaning), I just can't bring myself to share that feeling.
This "family values" stuff about Muslims is becoming a staple of their "we have so much in common" appeal.
But Mussolini was full of "family values." Paid vacations for workers. Bonuses for large families.
Even more so Hitler. Think of all those decadent paintings by George Grosz and Ernst Kirchner and others that were banned. Instead, nice wholesome pictures of blond German youth, well-muscled, eyes right, looking forward to the glorious future of the Reich. Women, if not always barefoot and pregnant, breeding for that Reich --just as so many Muslims overbreed today: compare the birthrates in Muslim countries, or of Muslims and non-Muslims in Infidel lands. They often do this quite consciously in order to raise the percentage of Muslims in the population.
These "family values" mean nothing. Being "law-abiding" if the laws you obey are ONLY those that do not conflict with Islam -- in which case they will not be obeyed -- means nothing.
In World War II, as A. J. Liebling noted in his report from North Africa, "Molly," some of those who joined the Free French had been small-time gangsters, Pepe-le-Moko types, in Algeria. During World War II Lucky Luciano, through his connections, reportedly helped to keep the ports in Sicily and Calabria safe for American invaders. While some fine family-values men -- say, Fritz Kuhn of the German-American Bund, who wore a tie, and a shirt, and didn't smoke reefers -- was a traitor, and was jailed.
Like Kuhn and so many Fascists, many Muslims are family-valued oriented, all right -- as long as the families they orient towards are Muslims.
But as for the rest of us, we Infidels, well that is a different matter.
I'll take the supposedly decadent West over the most fine, upstanding, cleancut Muslim cleric, or True Believer, any day.
Pongame una cerveza, por favor. Beulah, peel me a grape. Gif me a viskey, ginger ale on the side, and don't be stingy, baby.
Posted by Robert at April 28, 2006 5:43 AM
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But wait a minute. Why would a man have to ask permission from his mother who is, in fact, a woman, and therefore barely worthy of being included in the human species?
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at April 28, 2006 6:06 AM
Isn't Islam an oppresive faith of women?
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 28, 2006 6:18 AM
bigcatgirl13106: "Isn't Islam an oppresive faith of women?" In this regard clearly not!
From the why was Islam so progressive in the 7th century concerning the equality of women, there is the fatwa that holds a woman does not need the permission of her husband to make Jihad!
Look how progressive Islam is of women's rights!
Posted by: David England at April 28, 2006 6:42 AM
Cat, Jesus....yes you 2 do indeed make excellent points about womens in Islamic society.
Reading Sh*ite from extracts doesn't make things true. Obviously bad things happen to some women...this is true in any society, even in yours.
Womens are regarded very highly in Islam.. Masha-allah we hold the purse strings...all household/family decisions are vetted by womens.
In Islam, a woman cannot be forced to marry, the imam must hear a yes from her, before marriage can take place.
Most importantly, ultimate global control of earth by Islam will be borne (pun intended) through by womens. The Kalipah will obviously be woman born.
So yes...don't believe everything you read, but do understand that Allah SWT has put in careful checks & balances in the Koran.
The woman should know her place, her interfaces and be careful of the power she can wield. If Islam is to win she must play her part carefully, Islam cannot allow womens to play such a dominant part such that there is chaos in society.
This is very much where western society is today....womens try to do things that are not suitable for them...or they do things that are not conducive for a successful society....falling birthrate , abortions, divorces, taking away employment from mensfolk...all this bring chaos to your society.
Most successful societies such as Islam will (rightly so) never allow this choas in society.
Take my advice ....reign your womens in to avoid collapse of your society....it is them who are at fault...but instead you will wrongly blame Islam for it.
Posted by: Naseem at April 28, 2006 7:01 AM
I love the decadent west too. The decadence of which is far more spiritual than Islam, or any other religion.
Posted by: Voltaire at April 28, 2006 7:04 AM
Reading Sh*ite from extracts
Love the asterisk there, making the word naughtier than it would otherwise be. Unless you think Shiite is a really naughty word.
Peace and jilbabs.
Posted by: Interested at April 28, 2006 7:12 AM
Naseem, I beat my womens every day. They is now good womens.
Posted by: JanuaryMan at April 28, 2006 7:44 AM
Muslim family values....is that an oxymoron?
at April 28, 2006 8:45 AM
Oh Naseem,
Life with you sounds heaven! Will you marry me?
Our oppressed sisters in Islam will one day be free and then YOU will have to ask for a penny, fill belittled when she takes in a second or third husband, when YOU have to cover all of your flesh as to not attract other women, when she hits YOU for not obeying.
Chaos is brought to a society when a portion of that society is oppressed. A gender that has is act in such a way that Islam teaches you "boys" to act, shows a lack of something. A real man does not treat his womens this way...A poor and cowardly excuse for a man does.
at April 28, 2006 9:01 AM
Naseem:
You are still a benighted, cow-stupid,slave of a slave (your husband).
Pray for freedom and enlightenment instead of caressing your chains.
at April 28, 2006 9:05 AM
I, with my small female hands, build microelectronic assembliles, under (yes, that's right) a microscope. It's very amusing to watch men attempt to do the same, Naseem.
Men can be trained in how to go about it, but can seldom accomplish it. It's those large, male hands, you see. So what man's job are the "womens" at my company taking?
The reason third-rate countries have to purchase munitions and other microelectronics from other countries is because women in the third-rate hellholes aren't allowed to work.
It is the Qur'an that is at fault. You wrongly blame women for it.
Posted by: Abscedere at April 28, 2006 9:15 AM
"assemblies" that would be. Waiter--more coffee, please.
Posted by: Abscedere at April 28, 2006 9:17 AM
Naseem still insists women should have no power. Is she thinking women will take to the streets and riot, burn down buildings, knock out windows, turn over cars, rape and pillage?
Or, is she not allowed too much power to be able to teach her children not to hate and not kill indiscriminatly and maybe raise one with a brain?
And maybe raise a girl child to realize she might be worth something more than just a breeder.
Islam is like the Borg. One thought. No independence.
Posted by: freewoman at April 28, 2006 1:00 PM
Naseem,
Thank you for your response, but in truth I must disagree respectfully with you. I have done enough reasearch and have come to the realization that the Muslim faith has not always been good to women.
If women are given high regards in Islam, why is it that the Koran gives its blessings to husbands beating their wives up in order to get them ( the wives ) to obey the husbands? Sura Chapter 4:34 gives full permission for husbands to beat their wives.
Also the reason why the west has treated women a lot better is because of its Jewish/Christian heritage. Yes, women have been victimized by crime and injustice, but in the west, because of the rule of law, common sense, public opinion, and once again, the Jewish/Christian heritage, such wrongs are not only condemmed, but also punished.
Also women have been given high regards in the Jewish/Christian heritage going all the way back to Jesus himself who loved, respected, honored women, begining with his mother. Women have contributed sucessfully to the life of western civilization because of the very Jewish/Christian heritage that encourages women to live to the fullest, put to good use the gifts God gives to those of us who are women. It has and still to this very day Christian women as well as Christian men who have brought the Gospel or good news of Jesus Christ to the peoples of the global south, be it in Africa, Asia, or Latin America. Because of these planting of seeds, there is a massive Christian faith boom in the global south, which now in turn is sending missionaries not only in the Muslim world, but to the same western society that sent missionaries many years earlier. This gives hope for a major Christian rivival in the west itself.
While women in the west have fallen into sin and wrong because of the fallen human nature; the Jewish/Christian heritage calls all to repentence and the oportunity to start again.
Naseem, the Jewish/Christian heritage has been wonderful to women; it has been respectful of the God-given dignity and rights of women and men.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106
at April 28, 2006 2:32 PM
High five Bigcatgirl!!!
Posted by: freewoman at April 28, 2006 2:47 PM
freewoman,
Thank you for your response. High five in return. Would have posted a longer message this morning to Naseem on this sight when the deniel of service took place. I am not suprised that it happened because this could have been a warning shot for what lies ahead with internet attacks. Thank you also for making my day. :-)
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 28, 2006 4:57 PM
Questions on Muslim family values:
When your father beats one of his burqa-clad wives for disobeying, how can you tell if it's your mother or not?
When your half-brother kills infidels with his suicide bomb, do you get the full rewards bestowed upon you from Allah, or just half rewards, since you're not 100% blood relative?
When your half-sister brings shame to the family by allowing herself to be raped, by another family member, does that family member also get to participate in the honor killing?
Please help me to understand.
Posted by: skyking77 at April 30, 2006 12:19 AM
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