In America, Michigan, and more specifically the Dearborn/Detroit area, have a high Muslim immigrant population and they are actively pursuing a strategy of seeking dominance of the political system there and the imposition of dhimmitude. Once they have the critical mass, they will institute sharia law at the local level and I wonder if our government will even fight them given the appalling ignorance our government has shown. Debbie Schlussel has documented extensively the scheming going on there, and the apparent assistance of the FBI office (search "Abu" Moskowitz at Ms. Schlussel's website) in making it all possible.

There is a simple solution to stop the infiltration of America by infidel hating and scheming Muslims. Stop all Muslim immigration to America. Unfortunately, political correctness is the most powerful weapon the Muslims have, and no politician will stand up to their Muslim masters in America.

Posted by: John Sobieski at April 28, 2006 8:08 AM

A part of the problem here that Hindus in India have wittingly or unwittingly walked into has been the cause of Hindutva. In trying to position themselves in a positive rather than a negative light, they have cast their positions as pro-Hindu, as opposed to anti-Muslim, hoping that this would make their stances more acceptable with Indians as a whole.

Unfortunately, as might be expected, such a 'positive' attitude has backfired. Instead of winning Hindus support from other infidels, such as Sikhs, Jains, Christians, Parsis, Jews, et al, it has only served to isolate them, since it feeds the perception that Hindus are out to make these groups either second class citizens, or re-define them as Hindus (think of BJP leader Murli Manohar Joshi's definition of Christians as Christi Hindus i.e. Hindus who worship Christ). In particular, Christians in India seem to perceive Hindus as a threat, and in some cases, have ganged up with Muslims against Hindus. This has not been helped by cretins such as Bal Thackeray coming out with statements and books glorifying Hitler. Not only has this not won Hindutva parties the support of the above non-Muslim groups; it has also cost them the support of Hindus who might otherwise be anti-Islamic, but who wish to keep India from being anything even remotely resembling a Hindu 'theocracy' (not that that has ever historically existed even during Vedic times)

In order to succeed, Hindutva groups in particular, legitimately concerned about the threat Islam poses to India's prosperity not only in Kashmir, but also in other areas, be it Bangladeshi illegal immigration (more insidious than Mexican illegal immigration to the US), separate Islamic laws, etc. should de-couple Hindu advocacy from pedagogical activities about Islam. For instance, the fact that Mosques exist on the sites of temples in Mathura and Varanasi serve Muslims as a reminder of the triumphant conquests of Aurangzeb, and should be targeted for that reason: there shouldn't be a demand for temples in their place coupled with it.

Another thing that Hindutva groups have been condemned for is targeted violence against Muslims. They need to make Islam rather than Muslims their initial target, and only retaliate when Muslims respond violently. Muslims may do that, but that only works once - in 1992, after the riots in Bombay, Muslims knew what would happen to them if they misbehaved, and simmered down; same was the case in Gujarat later. But by pointing out that the sum total ideology of the Quran, and with it, the Hadith and the Sira, is the annihilation of Infidels, and in particular, polytheists like Hindus, Hindutva forces could make even those Hindus who are either atheists or agnostics uncomfortable with Islam.

There are a lot more things in India that they'd need to advocate, which can be done with the well being of Muslims in mind. Some ideas:

1. Ban madrasas. The question here is - what is the goal, the well being of Muslims, or the glory of Islam? If it is the latter, India has no business doing it. If it is the former, banning madrasas in India is good for Muslims. Let them go to normal schools like everybody else, and then they won't be left behind. In fact, the more de-Islamized they become, the less likely they are to live their life under the Inshallah philosophy, and the more likely they are to prosper. And in the absence of such hate filled propaganda, they are less likely to be a threat to Hindus, Sikhs, or anyone else. Most Hindus don't go to Ramkrishna Mission or BHU, and they do just fine.
   
2. Teach Muslims Islam, but from the Infidel standpoint about how it is a hate filled ideology, and in their case, how it is a vehicle for Arab supremacy. Teach them how they are really viewed by Arabs, as well as what the status is of non-Arab Muslims. Show how in Indian history, Hindus and Buddhists who converted to Islam were a class lower than the Turks, Afghans and Farsis who invaded India, and their descendants - a distinction that continues in Pakistan to this day. Use that to rebut those who falsely claim that Islam treats all Muslims as equals, in sharp contrast to the Caste system amongst Hindus (something that Hindu texts are not even unanimous about).
   
3. Ban theological movements, like Deobandi, which are a source of inspiration of Islamic fanaticism not only in India, but beyond. Deobandi was an inspiration behind the Taliban - no reason it should even be tolerated in India.
   
4. Ban all Shariah based laws that contradict Indian laws, be it apostacy, talaq-divorce, polygamy, et al. Shariah has no place in India, and Muslims should be able to live without it, just as all Infidels the world over live with secular laws.
   
5. Reduce the ties of Muslims to both Pakistan and Arab countries. Disallow Arab men from their fly by night marriages to Muslim girls. Subject Muslims to not just the same laws, but also the same protections. Just as India wouldn't tolerate Arab men doing such things to Hindu women, they shouldn't tolerate it for Muslim women either.
   
6. Ban pan-Islamic groups, like the All India Khilafat Movement. Who is the candidate for Caliph? Osama? Musharraf? No matter who it is, just as India wouldn't tolerate any Khalistani organizations in the country, they should not tolerate any organizations that encourage Muslims to have extra-territorial loyalties.
   
7. Regulate Islam strictly, like is done in Singapore. Monitor what comes out of mosques, and purge Mullahs who preach Jihad. This would obviously mean de-Islamizing Islam, and totally de-balling what Muslims are allowed to believe. However, since they are required to wage Jihad, dominate and not be dominated, and slaughter infidels, there is no reason that such propaganda out of mosques should be tolerated
   
8. Ban sectarian appeal in elections e.g. use of Osama cut-outs to appeal to Muslim voters (something that backfired anyway)
   
9. End government sponsored Haj pilgrimage, which is not just Jiziya, but also an indirect financing of the radicalization of Muslims. If one visits faithfreedom.org and checks out the testimonials of ex-Muslims, one will notice some where after such a pilgrimage, people who were previously agnostic about their faith became fanatics overnight. While Islam may require all Muslims to make at least one trip to Mecca, it's not the responsibility of anybody to foot that bill - least of all infidels. Sikhs living outside Punjab don't get their trips to Amritsar subsidized. Indian catholics don't get free trips to Rome at government expense (One can bet they'd love that). This is nothing but another form of Jiziya from all Indian infidels to Muslims - something that must be discontinued.
   
10. Crack down on Mullahs or any other Muslim fanatics who threaten Muslims who don't live life the Islamic way - be it tennis player Sania Mirza, dancer Rubaiya in Kerala, or for that matter, any Muslim who wants to openly apostate without any threat of violence.
    
11. Crack down heavily on activities that undermine India's world standing. Like when Muslims demonstrate against the US for Iraq, or Denmark for cartoons, they are not only demonstrating extra-territorial loyalty, they are also undermining India's potential ties with such partners. Therefore, treat that harshly. People who object to such things can protest by writing letters and articles in newspapers, just as Christian groups in the US do when anti-Christian activities take place.
    
12. Also, as a part of the exercise in demoralizing them in terms of their zeal for conquest, dilute memories of their victories during the Hindu holocaust by undoing some of their work. Restore the names of places that they renamed after their conquests (Allahabad becomes Prayag, Ahmedabad becomes Karnavati, Faizabad becomes Ayodhya, Aurangabad becomes Devagiri, et al. These name changes are far more meaningful than those inane name changes like Calcutta to Kolkata, Madras to Chennai, and now Bangalore to Bengelaru - all of which are essentially vernacular translations akin to Cologne being renamed Koeln, or Vienna Wien.) Demolish the mosques at Mathura and Varanasi, which they want to keep out of spite. Teach them Indian history, remind them who they originally were (no entertaining their fraudulent claims of Arab lineage) and encourage them to be ashamed of Muslim behavior in the past - be it Mahmud of Ghazni, Ala-ud-din Khilji, Timur, Aurangzeb, Ahmad Shah Abdali, et al. Lest one thinks that is mean, consider how in Scandinavia, for instance, people are taught to be embarrassed about Viking behavior during their conquests. What the Vikings did doesn't come close to what the Muslims did.
    

Once a generation of Muslims is subjected to the above, the chances are that they themselves will shed their hate filled ideology. Whether they choose to become Hindus or not isn't important. They can be Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, or even be atheists. What is important, however, is that they grow up without the baggage of Islam, and that bereft of the achievements of Inshallah, and the hatred of Jihad, they can become productive citizens just like everyone else. Also, none of the above make them second class citizens - they are always free to convert to anything that lightens their burden.

If this is done, the threats that exist to Hindus, Sikhs and other infidels all over India is eliminated. India would also need to completely seal its borders with Bangladesh, revamp its foreign policy to be anti-Islamic (no more voting with the Arabs against Israel, etc.). But with a combination of these measures, India would be a lot more stable than it currently is.

If Hindutva forces pull this off, they would have done a lot for both India and Hinduism. The pursuit of Hindu glory is a separate project which they can later embark on, but which would need to exclude things like attacking couples on Valentines Day etc. But it is important for them to keep these two activities separate.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 28, 2006 2:43 PM

India is burning with islamic issues from all sides take kashmir in north gujarat pakistan border in west andhra pradesh an keral in south or india bangladesh border in east. muslims are a big wote bank for some of the political parties in india and they are ignoring all this problem. I really appreicate your comment why world should lern the lesson about muslimm problems from india. muslims are the redical islamist are biggest problem in indias growth.

Posted by: raolin at May 17, 2006 12:52 AM