It goes without saying, there will always be those that are blinded to the truth for the truth destroys their concept of how great our world isn't and the amount of effort and violence it takes to keep our nation free in this violent world.

Prepare for the violence of islam in America.
Be armed to protect your faimly and America.
Be ready for it is coming.

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and it appears the cost will be immense.

Posted by: Texican at April 29, 2006 9:02 PM

If the bloodbath must come, then let's get on with it!
Ronald W. Reagan

"We can not play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent." Ronald W. Reagan

Posted by: patriot4 at April 29, 2006 9:39 PM

The title "Truth Forum" unfortunately evokes the phrase "Truth Serum." One wishes to avoid "truth" followed by "forum" and "forum" followed by "symposium."

Possibilities come to mind:

"The Three Burials of Osama bin Laden"
"Colour Me Atta"
"Something About Ayman"
but none of them will quite do. What about just "Islam and the West/Islam and the Rest" or "Instruments of Jihad" or "Jihad and Anti-Jihad"?

Just a thought.

Posted by: Hugh at April 29, 2006 10:00 PM

I have to admit that I wasn't quite sure that Miniter actually made that post, but I'm glad he stopped in. We'll bring him around to the full reality of it all eventually, though I realize that I still represent the strong-arm tactic around here, I'm willing to debate with coffee and a smile like a gentleman if I have to. ;)

Posted by: Foehammer at April 29, 2006 10:03 PM

PS Sounds like more symposiums to come this year? Let us hope.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 29, 2006 10:05 PM

The moderate moor's last sigh.

Muhammad's children cleared of moderation charges. Jihad resumed.

Moderation and Islam: antithesis in action?

Moderation: blown away by Mo's afflatus?

Posted by: Zathras at April 29, 2006 10:17 PM

Speaking of the Truth , I watched the A&E Flight 93 and what a farce,there was such a fear to actually mention Islam or muslims.

These PC types are going to get us killed, and it won't bring much comfort to be on a hijacked plane screaming towards a building and the media reports that the Hijackers are "True" muslims, or that Islam shouldn't be blamed for the action of a few.

WRONG....lets put the blame where it belongs, evry one of the self professed Muslim Jihadists can be linked to Muhammed or the Quran.
Forget the other Muslims preaching peace, America only has about 0.0008% of the worlds Muslims and it's unfair to judge the 99.9992% by the moderate one in the west.
Maybe THEY have it all wrong and the Muslims outside of America ARE the TRUE followers of Muhammed and islam.

Posted by: ala-sux at April 30, 2006 12:19 AM

I strongly dissent with the last post; flight 93 was outstanding. Islam was not mentioned, nor was Islam. The poster is talking about who did it and why . . . Jihad, but the movie concerned itself with two hours in the horrible, clear morning of 911, when four planes were hijacked and thousands died. The movie concerns itself with the confusing fog of war. During the frantic few minutes, the only people who may have known Islam was an issue, were the NSA types who intercepted congrats cables from Bin Ladens team to friends in Chechnya. Even the people on the planes, surmised most likely the hijackers were Muslim, but maybe had doubts. This is precisely why this movie was so accurate . . . it showed the chaos, the bravery, the heroism of that aweful morning in what the writer/director called the first post-911 'act.' He states the only people who knew exactly what was happening were the passengers on that last flight, the poor souls who learned what happened at WTC and Washington by a fluke(the delay on the runway of 40 minutes). The Passengers knew there fate and acted with a daring gamble . . . in this the director feels this was the first 'post-911 act.' For more of his audio interview, I direct those interested to the Rush Limbaugh Website. Contrary to hollywood tradition, the film does not humanize the Jihadists, it shows was blood-thirsty savages they were and their religious convictions of hatred and killing are clearly demonstrated. I would have expected much less from Hollywood than this film.

Posted by: biorabbi at April 30, 2006 1:16 AM

To biorabbi:
It sounds like you might be talking about a different movie than the previous poster spoke of -- he was talking of an A&E special (television film?) -- But you are talking about the new movie that just came out, United 93, right?

I saw United 93 Friday, it's first day out. I thought it was powerful, superb, beautiful.
- Omar

Posted by: www.islamquest.blogspot.com at April 30, 2006 1:32 AM

A&E had a movie on this? Was it the same as the one that they showed on the Discovery channel on September 11? I actually liked that documentary.

Biorabbi, I'll check out the interview on Rush's site. I'll also recommend David Beamer's (father of Todd) column in OpinionJournal.com

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008294

Saying nothing about Islam is acceptable - it's preferrable to lying about it, and casting it as a religion of peace.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 30, 2006 2:01 AM

Will the contents of the speeches of Brigitte Gabriel, Babu Suseelan, Andrew Bostom, Walid Shoebat, Robert and others be made available so that those of us geographically challenged could peruse those speeches?

How did the other speeches go - David Horowitz, Harvey Kushner, Walid Phares, Joe Kaufman, Ken Timmerman (Tech Central Defense?) Were they on the same page? That would be important, since some of them are influential with "neo-cons", who tend to influence opinion at the White House.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 30, 2006 2:25 AM

I don't need to see a Hollywood flick to know what Islam does on a daily basis around the world. I know what they want and I see what they do, and I want NONE of it.

We have to stop them dead in their tracks, that's all.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 30, 2006 2:42 AM

I just hope this conference got some coverage in the mainstream-Islamically-slanted-media. And it would be nice to read some transcripts or see a viedo tape or two. If only C-Span were there to film and broadcast it.......

---Nossy

Posted by: Nostrodamus at April 30, 2006 2:52 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4957400.stm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060430/ap_on_re_as/afghan_indian_kidnapped

Posted by: sutasuta at April 30, 2006 4:18 AM

What needs to also been brought to the forefront
is that the PC types want everyone to believe
that poverty is the root cause of the Islamic terrorism.

Not so, as from my readings, most of the 9/11 hijackers as well as the higher levels of al-Qeada are well educated scholastically.

Islam is their "root" cause and not poverty.
It is idealogical and leading to the clash of civilizations.

Why do they call it clash of civilizations as there is nothing civilized about Islam.

Posted by: learjet0450 at April 30, 2006 8:26 AM

I was privileged to be able to attend this symposium.

On Friday night, after hearing Miniter, I came home so discouraged. If not for the fact that Robert Spencer was scheduled to speak the next day, I might not have gone back on Saturday (I live local to the hotel where the symposium was held).

But the Saturday speakers plainly debunked the oft-heard platitude "Just a few radicals to worry about." I came away last night exhausted but filled with passion to get the word out as to the threat we face, worldwide and within our own borders!

One of those dangers may well be Dr. Julio Pino at Kent State University. Read about him here and here. He blogs as Lover of Angels and claims to be an al-Qaeda sleeper.

Posted by: WatchfulEye at April 30, 2006 8:34 AM

Addendum to Robert Spencer,
You are one outstanding speaker, sir! I'll wager that you were the force which propelled your team to a win in debate tournaments.

Posted by: WatchfulEye at April 30, 2006 8:36 AM

Infidel Pride:
Will the contents of the speeches of Brigitte Gabriel, Babu Suseelan, Andrew Bostom, Walid Shoebat, Robert and others be made available so that those of us geographically challenged could peruse those speeches?

The cameras were rolling for all speakers except Dr. Kushner. He didn't allow film coverage because he was discussing some open criminal-cases about the possible funding of terrorism.

Posted by: WatchfulEye at April 30, 2006 8:40 AM

Foehammer:
Sounds like more symposiums to come this year? Let us hope.

If the dhimmi hotels will host them!

Posted by: WatchfulEye at April 30, 2006 8:41 AM

Infidel Pride,
All the Saturday speakers were decidedly outspoken as to the enormity of the threat. But of the four Friday-night speakers (Woolsey, Timmerman, Miniter, Phares), only Dr. Phares didn't bow and scrape to the idea of "only a few radicals to worry about, so let's enlist the moderates."

Posted by: WatchfulEye at April 30, 2006 8:46 AM

Here's a thought...

Maybe Miniter's speech was designed to make us drink too much in frustration at the cocktail party afterwards? That's what I did. As I'm not much of a drinker, two glasses of wine did me in. Dhimmitude and/or ignorance usually make me pound the wall in frustration, but considering the tight security at the hotel, I had that second glass of wine instead. **sigh**

But I still managed to get up bright and early on Saturday and attend. I'm so glad that I made that Herculean effort. I've got pages and pages of notes, and you can bet that I am going to use them! I will not shut up. And as a teacher, I can reach young people. Being a homeschool teacher I don't have to be pc and can't be fired. Self-employment offers low pay, but I don't have to bow and scrape for fear of losing my job.

Posted by: WatchfulEye at April 30, 2006 8:58 AM

The National Security strategy of the United States was unveiled post 9/11 as "The Bush Doctrine".

Bush and Rice incorrectly theorize that poverty and lack of education cultivate terror and fundamental Muslims.

Truly, using social workers to defeat terrorism (Islam) is the most absurd notion and ultimately self defeating.

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Usama Bin Laden a millionaire? So much for the poverty explanation.
Correct me if i am wrong but isn't Bin Laden's #2 Ayman Al-Zwahiri a Doctor? So much for the education to explain terror.

When Al-Qaeda's #1 and 2 do not meet your criteria, i thyink you need to try a new game plan. Maybe the truth...Islam compels Muslims to act violently.

Posted by: McCain2008 at April 30, 2006 10:36 AM

You are right on the money MaCain2008

Mohammand Atta was well educated also.

The educated ones plot the terrorism and the the
dumb ones (except 9/11) blow themselves up for
Allah.

Posted by: learjet0450 at April 30, 2006 11:10 AM

Yes it was a A&E special and Larry King promoted the show earlier and ran a brief clip about a phone call from the plane.

Please don't try to tell me that nobody suspected a islamic link to the WTC attack, or did you forget the garage bombing earlier that tried to bring the towers down.
I had a Doctor appointment that day around 1pm and was called to come in at 11am since the Doctor wanted to go home early in case the subways were part of the Jihad.
By 11am most people with two brain cells to rub together had a idea of what religion was behind it, and again I state that it wouldn't bring me much comfort to be on one of those hijacked planes and tell myself that they aren't "True" Muslims.

Flight 93 ran from 9pm est to 11pm , my PC has a TV tuner and I watched the special while on the internet, it wasn't a dream, I really saw the show.
As for the movie in theatres right now, it just might focus on the passengers perspective and confusion over what unfolded that morning,but, by that very own admission to the surprise attack it assume Muslims aren't perceived to have been predisposed to this mass murder style suicide mission.

You can't have it both ways, either all Islamophobes are stupid and didn't catch on to the Jihad, or most Americans are fair and non-Judgemental towards islam and didn't instantly blame Muslims or assume it was Jihad for Allah and the plane wasn't returning to the airport.

The leftists love to play both side of a issue,that's why they can never find a shy hooker, tall midget,short giant, assertive wimp, brave coward , thin obese person, wealthy pauper, and the very elusive well educated healthy financially secure homeless person that's really a victim of a mental illness and not a money issue.
The Hijackers all had a direct link to the Quran and Muhammed,period.

Posted by: ala-sux at April 30, 2006 11:20 AM

l have yet to see the movie, everyone is talking about it, and some say will be on the top then list for this year. the only thing l find sad, is that not more is made of not hearing thase were muslims. but the fact that these terroists were not given any credit for having reasons, blal,blah, the way the appologizts love to spell out. but its the subtle way l supposed that generally we all know its islam stupid islam!

Posted by: Lulu at April 30, 2006 12:00 PM

Moderate Muslim - the perfect oxymoron.

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at April 30, 2006 1:11 PM

"Dr. Julio Pino at Kent State University..."

Ah, another Red-Green Islamo-Zapatista, eh?

Posted by: Television at April 30, 2006 2:18 PM

"I am not arguing that Islam is unconnected to terrorism and I do not think that it is an accident that most terror attacks are carried out by muslims (tho it was the very Hindu Tamil Tigers don't have to rely on the Koran to justify their suicide attacks. We could and should have a longer converstaion about this, but not in this forum."

-- Richard Miniter, in his latest reply [to Spencer] in the "Spencer at America's Truth Forum symposium today" thread below.

1) "I am not arguing that Islam is unconnected to terrorism..."

There are many types & degrees of connection:

There is primary connection.

There is secondary connection.

There is peripheral connection.

There is accidental connection.

From Miniter's wording (a gingerly double negative) above, from his previous post, and from Spencer's report of Miniter, it would be safe to say that Miniter does not see Islam's connection to terrorism as primary. One wonders then what Miniter sees as the primary raison d'être of terrorism committed by Muslims who themselves voice (often in the very act of terrorizing) and write that Islam is the primary connection. One suspects that Miniter, at best, posits a peripheral connection (i.e., that Islam figures in to the terrorist agenda and motivation through a distorting filter of misinterpretation and that furthermore other ideological and socioeconomicopolitical factors are more directly causative).

2) "I do not think that it is an accident that most terror attacks are carried out by muslims (tho it was the very Hindu Tamil Tigers don't have to rely on the Koran to justify their suicide attacks."

Notice that Miniter can't help this parenthetical, PC spasm of referring to the Tamil Tigers -- who are utterly irrelevant to this issue because they are so extremely localized geographically and so insignificant to geopolitical stability because they have no grandiose trans-national eschatological ambitions. Anyone who cannot help the spasm of mentioning the Tamil Tigers, the Basques, and the IRA (except by way of contrast) when discussing Islamic terrorism becomes immediately suspect as a useful analyst of Islamic Jihad.

3) "We could and should have a longer converstaion about this, but not in this forum."

Let us hope that if Spencer and Miniter do have a longer conversation about this, Spencer will post the exchange in "this forum" where Miniter fastidiously disdeigns to linger.

Posted by: Television at April 30, 2006 3:05 PM

Miniter has been around the ME far too long NOT to know about what Islam does and what Jihad means.

He, and many others like him are not above being bought and sold by the Arab princelings, there are always perks, like ...... You know what I mean, I don't have to spell it out.

Miniter and many like him are agents of influence, and as you all know, nobody is above it: Peanut Carter, BJ Clinton, Bob Dole, all of them line up to get some of that Arab money, which buys their favors. Bush jr. is not above it, neither is papa Bush, neither is Cheney, but again: What's new?

They are all rotten and corrupt. We should let them know!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 30, 2006 5:07 PM

I'm not in the mood for a circular logic arguement that's premised on proving a negative assertion.

After 9/11 it was those very Islamic Org.'s that told me to be enlightened by read the Quran and to know the True islam.
But it backfired, I used middle east websites and saw the proper context for verses that CAIR/CAIR-Can love to toss out as some sort of crfedibility angle to absolve islam from any blame for terrorism or violence.
Lets forget about any reference to Muslims, I'm pointing out that the hijackers and many terrorists and suicide bomber can be linked to the Quran and Muhammed.

It's that simple,plus I haven't met all the 1.2 billion self-professed followers of Islam outside of NorthAmerica to make a solid judgement call on what a "true Muslim" is, or even a Muslim.
In Canada we have about 400,000 listed on the census as Citizens, yet CAIR and many Islamic org.'s claim it to be 800,000-1,000,000 along with each of the near 10-12 org.'s laying claim to speak for all Muslims in canada.
So you tell me....who is the real Muslim,and if the self-professed Muslim terrorists have nothing to do with islam...then Islam has nothing to do with muslims.

BTW, CAIR has already been caught spewing bogus hate-crime stats and acts of Islamophobia and dropped 4 law-suits against citizens that told the truth about CAIR's ties to Hamas and terrorism funding.

AND Hooper declares himself a Moderate Muslim preaching peace????

Posted by: ala-sux at April 30, 2006 6:46 PM

I await Richard Miniter's new blog, Tamil Tigerwatch, so we can begin to educate ourselves about this global threat of Tamil suicide-bombers in over a dozen countries around the world for years; beheaders of innocents; shooters of children in the back; exploders of airplanes in Russia, England and the US; honor-killers of girls who wear short skirts and of couples who dare to kiss in public; rioters, arsonists and lynchers whenever Mohammed is insulted; persecutors of Christians and other religious minorities; military expansionists who are trying to spread beyond borders in various hot spots around the globe the supremacist domination of their religion; mass-slaughterers, rapists and enslavers of black Africans; signs of the spread of hateful and supremacist ideology in religious and political networks throughout the world, including in the US; and so on.

Posted by: Television at April 30, 2006 10:54 PM

TV

Even more amusing was Minator's apparent implication that Hindu fanaticism is the driving factor behind the Tamil Tigers, rather than Tamil supremacy/nationalism. Otherwise, why bring up their religion, particularly when it's well known that they are Leftists?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 1, 2006 4:15 AM

Just want to say that Robert is a wonderful speaker, and every one of the speakers Saturday was great!

I wasn't able to attend the Friday evening mixer, Just Saturday’s symposium, and from Robert's comments, and the feedback from other attendees that were there Friday night, that was probably a good thing.

I personally was happy to see that most of the room was filled on Saturday, I would love to see other such symposiums in other parts of the US, (Hint, hint, Chicago would be a great central location ;-)

My other suggestion would be some round table discussions for those that would be interested, to put our heads together, so to speak, to try to come up with idea's to help get the word out to others, and way’s to help Robert's site and other such sites. . (Robert , I did not get a chance to talk to you Saturday, but would like to throw out some ideas, if you or Hugh get a chance, please contact me. )

And finally, Thank you to Jeff Epstein, President of America’s Truth Forum, for putting the symposium together and persevering through all the roadblocks .

Posted by: balticwaves at May 1, 2006 12:25 PM