Obviously, the jury is ignorant of Jihad, Dawa and Al-Taquiyya.

Americans will learn the hard way, that their 'justice' is a 'laughing matter' to Muslims growing under the sword of Sharia. It takes iron to cut iron, not cotton....

Posted by: Alert at May 3, 2006 8:37 PM

Robert -
You are absolutely correct.
This is a victory for Jihad today.

Moussaoui will be treated like a prison rock star hero for the rest of his life, preaching Jihad against America to everyone in prison, using the media, books, television, and letters to continue a never-ending rant of destruction and hate against our country.

And his life will be protected and cared for all by the American taxpayers who he seeks to have killed.

And Moussaoui is not even an American.
If ever anyone should have been declared an enemy combtant, it was the French Moussaoui.

THANKS A LOT JOHN ASHCROFT!!
THANKS A LOT SPINELESS JURORS!!
THANKS A LOT COWARDLY JUDGE!!

Posted by: jeffreyimm at May 3, 2006 8:47 PM

seems to me that when a soldier of jihad is caught and (even years later) executed, he HAS been slain as part of islam's mind-created battle. i am surprised to hear that his death would not qualify for happy martyrdom with virgins and little boys.

please confirm that this death doesn't count as such from the jihadi point of view.

Posted by: StillBreathing at May 3, 2006 8:56 PM

"America, you lost," Moussaoui taunted, clapping his hands as he left the courtroom. "I won."

I don't think so, Mouss. This is an example of the Islamic ego at its most annoying. This is why Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War. This is why (unfortunately) taking them out is better than getting on the merry-go-round of American justice.

Posted by: HaMalach at May 3, 2006 8:58 PM

It's not a victory if this prisoner is handled properly. If he is given rights inside that prison which allow him to live comfortably and to spread his taint, then indeed justice has been miscarried.

We live in a nation that can do the right thing but far too often we see the chance perverted. Time will tell on this one. I suggest that some watchdog groups keep an eye on how this prisoner is managed.

Posted by: Foehammer at May 3, 2006 9:02 PM

if we rufuse to see evil we lose,europe doesn't see evil and they are losing to jihad.there is evil in the world,on 9-11 it raised its ugly head and almost 3,ooo people died for the crime of going to work.in the 80's 241 marines died for the crime of serving thier country.woe to you who call evil good and good evil.please keep fighting robert america need more of you.

Posted by: campingman1 at May 3, 2006 9:05 PM

Why was this loud mouthed
muslim jihadi being tried
in our criminal system?
He is the enemy!
who will soon separated
from his hive,
placed in isolation,
with no family, no brothers,
no kin, no tribe, just sitting with himself.
He will go insane.
He's not the Dalai Lama
who might consider this punishment a vacation.

Posted by: the poetess at May 3, 2006 9:08 PM

I can see Moussaoui saying pretty much the same thing had he gotten the death penalty. He's not quite the master manipulator that Al-Arian is, but he's been out to pull our collective chain at any opportunity.

Similarly, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't as far as execution is concerned: Whether we imprison him for life or execute him, there are mujahedin out there who will use whatever happens to him as a pretext to threaten or commit any violence they please.

That said, I'm against the death penalty when he can be kept from being a danger to society by lesser means. I think he should rot in a "supermax" jail with no contact with other prisoners. Throw in some hard labor or some other kind of unpleasant busy work, and a gag order.

Give him a few years out of the limelight, and then we'll see who "lost."

Posted by: Shinoliite at May 3, 2006 9:14 PM

Oh dear what has this become but a laughing stock for true justice, and the Jihad just runs and runs

new recruitments at any given prison near you soon

still some hope may yet remain in the form of a few friendly gaurds who enjoy turning their backs and maybe just a couple of Patriotic Inmates wishing to pay full respects for the dead on 9/11 to Mr Moussaoui, and hopefully very soon

i would wager that maybe Robert could become his biggest fan with a new book entitled "solitary 24 hour watch confinement - Not some much a life, but a way of staying alive", or "how to digest broken glass in three easy steps"

whatever, the reapers not coming today jihaddist scum, but you still have an appointment booked soon

Fight the good Fight

Posted by: Taranus at May 3, 2006 9:15 PM

what happens when they take 4 or 5 hostages and demand we let him go.4 or 5 beheaded people who would have been alive if justice had been served.

Posted by: campingman1 at May 3, 2006 9:23 PM

The truth of the matter is that he is FINISHED or better yet, history. He is not only is going to be keep in supermax isolation, but do not be surpised if he is attacked also because he could be regarded as the lowest of the low.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at May 3, 2006 9:24 PM

Every time one of these cases pops up Hooper and CAIR fabricate another act of "Islamophobia"
to deflect the media blame by a Muslims connected to the 9/11 slaughter.

CAIR has just posted a claim of an assault against two female Muslims in a mall, the fairy tale start out with someone that just viewed United 93 , then the person asks two females in Burqa's if they are Muslims, next the redneck bigot Islamophobe expresses hatefull racial slurs and tells them to get the hell out of America.

How odd, someone that hates Islam needs to be told that females in Burqa's are actually Muslims.
Smells like another Hooper lie and bogus statistic for Islamophobia.

Posted by: ala-sux at May 3, 2006 9:29 PM

this is from jersusalem post.The French government is offering Zacarias Moussaoui the consular protection he deserves as a French national, but so far the al-Qaida conspirator has not asked for it, the French Embassy said Wednesday.

Posted by: campingman1 at May 3, 2006 9:33 PM

have been wondering lately whether the United States will ever need to resume the Anglo-French wars. still, i thought campman1 was kidding.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1145961275356&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

The French government is offering Zacarias Moussaoui the consular protection he deserves as a French national, but so far the al-Qaida conspirator has not asked for it, the French Embassy said Wednesday.

In a press communique, the embassy said it had dispatched the consul general from Washington and an embassy official to every session of the trial in US District Court at Alexandria, Virginia, south of Washington.

After seven days' deliberations, the jury brought in its verdict Wednesday that Moussaoui, a Frenchman of Moroccan extraction, should be jailed for life without parole for his part in the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.

Posted by: StillBreathing at May 3, 2006 9:40 PM

"America, you lost," Moussaoui taunted, clapping his hands as he left the courtroom. "I won."

Doggone it, that's exactly why I am so entertained by these Moslems: they're unflinching frankness.

Zacharias, enjoy your freedom-loving American taxpayer-funded Dawa in whatever Club Fed you land in, and be sure to say that APF sez "hi" to the subliminal Marxist crimonology major warden who issues you your Gideon's Koran for nighttime mental masturbation up there in your top bunk.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at May 3, 2006 9:50 PM

Jack sez:

My gut reaction to Moussaoui after 9/11 was something on the order of kill the bastard in the most inhumane, slow way possible. Then he disappeared from the press for a while, and I got to thinking, this guy wants to be martyred so he can have his paradise, lets let him live out his life in tortured solitude.

But there is a glaring fallicy in that illogic, and it is this-- he's not really going to be a martyr! There isn't any salvation for jihadist murderers, they just don't know it yet. I see that I'm not the only one falling prey to the notion of not giving them martyrdom, but the smarter thing to do is cut out the cancer, don't treat it and risk it coming back or spreading.

and that is my humble opinion.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 3, 2006 9:50 PM

THANKS A LOT JOHN ASHCROFT!!
THANKS A LOT SPINELESS JURORS!!
THANKS A LOT COWARDLY JUDGE!!

Corrupt judge, jeff, corrupt judge.

Q: Who said that intellectual fraud ain't a crime?

A: A corrupt judge (augmented by a New York Times reporter, maybe even the inestimable David Broder. He does work for the Times and not the Bandar Beacon, right?)

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at May 3, 2006 9:54 PM

"Paradise is promised only to those who "slay and are slain" for Allah (Qur'an 9:111), not to those who die an ignominious death at the hands of Infidel corrections officers."--Robert

"...seems to me that when a soldier of jihad is caught and (even years later) executed, he HAS been slain as part of islam's mind-created battle. i am surprised to hear that his death would not qualify for happy martyrdom with virgins and little boys."--StillBreathing

As for my two cents, I'm not sure; a case could be made either way. Jihadists will use whatever they think will help their cause.

Probably, Moussaoui would have claimed victory, publicly, whether he received the death penalty or life imprisonment.

From the jihadis' perspective, he was a failure and his being detected by the FBI shortly prior to 9/11 almost blew the mission for all 19 jihadists. He was willing to help in the killing of the victims in the 9/11 plot, but the question remains as to whether or not he was willing to give up his own life in the operation. Nevertheless, he did deliberately withhold information that could have stopped the 9/11 attacks, his intentions are consistent with the jihadis, and he is now "fighting the polytheists" with his tongue:

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 14, Number 2498:
Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Use your property, your persons, and your tongues in striving against the polytheists.

The Koran says that it is exemplary for the faithful to "slay (them)selves" (4:66-77) in Allah's Cause

Also note:

3:142. “Do you think that you will enter Paradise before Allah tests those of you who fought (in His Cause) and (also) tests those who are As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.)?”
3:143. You did indeed wish for death (AshShahadah - martyrdom) before you met it. Now you have seen it openly with your own eyes.
3:144. Muhammad (SAW) is no more than a Messenger, and indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will you then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers)? And he who turns back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah, and Allah will give reward to those who are grateful.
3:145. And no person can ever die except by Allah's Leave and at an appointed term. And whoever desires a reward in (this) world, We shall give him of it; and whoever desires a reward in the Hereafter, We shall give him thereof. And We shall reward the grateful."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 8:Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab: The Prophet said, "The rewards (of deeds) are according to the intention, and everybody will get the reward for what he has intended. So whoever emigrated for Allah's and His Apostle's sake, his emigration was for Allah and His Apostle; and whoever emigrated for worldly benefits, or to marry a woman, then his emigration was for the thing for what he emigrated for."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 35 (also see Sahih Muslim, Book 20, Number 4631, 4634, 4635): Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His cause."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 53, Number 352: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Allah guarantees him who strives in His Cause and whose motivation for going out is nothing but Jihad in His Cause and belief in His Word, that He will admit him into Paradise (if martyred) or bring him back to his dwelling place, whence he has come out, with what he gains of reward and booty."

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 14, Number 2493: Narrated AbuMalik al-Ash'ari: AbuMalik heard the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) say: He who goes forth in Allah's path and dies or is killed is a martyr, or has his neck broken through being thrown by his horse or by his camel, or is stung by a poisonous creature, or dies on his bed by any kind of death Allah wishes is a martyr and will go to Paradise.

If we take into account Moussaoui's facilitating role (see "he who prepares") in the 9/11 attacks, he should be rewarded according to jihadist ideology:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 96:
Narrated Zaid bin Khalid:
Allah's Apostle said, " He who prepares a Ghazi [raider, warrior] going in Allah's Cause is given a reward equal to that of) a Ghazi; and he who looks after properly the dependents of a Ghazi going in Allah's Cause is (given a reward equal to that of) Ghazi."

Sahih Muslim, Book 020, Number 4668 (also 4665-4672):
It has been narrated on the authority of Zaid b. Kbalid al-Juhani that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Anybody who equips a warrior (going to fight) in the way of Allah (is like one who actually) fights. And anybody who looks well after his family in his absence (is also like one who actually) fights.

More notes and quotes on the Goal of Islam here:
http://islamwatch.forumup.in/about252-islamwatch.html

Posted by: Archimedes at May 3, 2006 10:19 PM

Then there's always the possibility of swapping prisoners for hostages. Moussaoui may not be an important leader for the jihadis, but he is an important symbol.
Looks like nobody in the jury's been reading history. Or learnt anything, if they have.
God Bless America.

Posted by: Dunk at May 3, 2006 11:03 PM

what happens when they take 4 or 5 hostages and demand we let him go. 4 or 5 beheaded people who would have been alive if justice had been served. quote from campingman1

Exactly! This would be completely in line with the jehadi modus operandi. My guess is that within the next year we will see precisely this type of scenario unfold.

Posted by: Razdan at May 3, 2006 11:10 PM

Maximum isolation for life.

Hard to serve the global jihad in such circumstances. I would've preferred death for him, but the sentence will do.

Posted by: Cornelius at May 3, 2006 11:42 PM

bigcatgirl13106: "The truth of the matter is that he is FINISHED or better yet, history. He is not only is going to be keep in supermax isolation, but do not be surpised if he is attacked also because he could be regarded as the lowest of the low."

Baloney.
He will be a living inspiration and a rallying cause for Jihadists and anti-Americans who will write to him and idolize him.
He will continue to preach his anti-American hatred through letters to the "press", media, books.
A.N.S.W.E.R. and all of the radical causes will carry signs "Free Moussaoui" for the next 50+ years.
The inmates will have an Islamist clique that will protect him.
And he will reach and convert others to be future terrorists to kill other Americans.

All of this paid for by the American taxpayer.
When the right thing to do was to give Moussaoui the electric chair.

I could have spit tonight listening to whiner Bill O'Reilly and his opposition to the death penalty. And his whiner guest who claimed that prison would be too harsh for Moussaoui. Give me a break.

A nation at WAR must be prepared to defeat the enemy - and yes that means the death of such terrorist enemies. And if the United States is too tender and too fragile to fight and kill the enemy during war-time, then we better all pack up and move to another country, because it is only a matter of time when a determined enemy who is dedicated to "Death to America" wins.

The Moussaoui trial was more than just about this case; it was about the resolve of the American people to crush its mortal enemies during war. Clearly, the jurors and justice system representing the American people failed once again, and proved that America is not only not ready to fight this war, they don't even get it that they ARE AT WAR!

Nothing represents the current disgusting complacency, cowardliness, and weakness that we see among so many American apologists for Jihad than this despicable verdict denying the death penalty for avowed enemy who allowed 9/11 to happen, and who singular goal in life is the total death and destruction of the American people.

As someone in Washington DC who saw the Pentagon on 9/11 and who was at NYC's Ground Zero after the 9/11 attacks where our family lives, I can tell you that there is absolutely no question that Moussaoui and these terrorists seek nothing less than the total destruction of America. Letting Moussaoui is no victory, it is moral defeat and caving into weakness during war-time.

And America has never won a war based on weakness.

Posted by: jeffreyimm at May 3, 2006 11:42 PM

Razdan:
He has been in custody for four years, at least -- not one jihadi has mentioned him. No one has kidnapped anyone and requested the release of either the "Blind Sheik" or Ramsi Yusef or even for that matter Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. The only person who thinks he's worthy of attention, or that he means anything to Al-Qaeda is Moussaoui himself, now he gets to rot like the peon he is, at the mercy of the Infidels.

Posted by: xenophobic at May 3, 2006 11:47 PM

xenophobic: "not one jihadi has mentioned him"

Again you really don't get it.
If USA is not ready to crush its enemies, it continues to send the signal to its enemies that it is WEAK during WAR.
Jihadists thrive based on the perception of American weakness; they believe they can WIN because of American weakness.
And 12 Americans did their best to prove Jihadists right again today.
Another setback for America in this war.

And it does not matter what Jihadist has/has not mentioned him; Moussaoui now has many, many years to reach untold jihadists from prison from the press, media, books, letters, etc.

Bin Laden must be having a good laugh tonight.

Posted by: jeffreyimm at May 3, 2006 11:55 PM

Last night here in Australia with some close freinds. i watched Flight 93.
A harrowing and tear jerking film ,devoid of plastic Hollywood faces,which is as honest as can be. Even this SO HONEST film does not DARE to engage the religious motivations of the terrorist scum that commited the attrocity. There no is indication whatsoever from where these killers got their deadly inspiration.
It strucke me after the end that the term "war on terror" is a deliberate ploy to disguise the real causes.
people like Moussaoui are NOT THE causes.
they are the EFFECTS.
Eliminating the effects will not stop the cause.
Until we recognise this and face the real enemy, we will merely be playing patch up.
AND this is why Jihad Watch id so very important.
Jihad watch has tried to expose the real causes for all to see so that people will not let themselves be fooled by the pretence that Islam can become peaceful and embrace multiculturism though some hoped for "refomation".
Other odious Films have tried to expose the human side of suicide bombers and their ilk.
And of course we all know the even people like Rudolf Hoss, Al Zaqarawi, have their human sides which may be explioted to cynacally gain sympathies.
But we should not be fooled into thimking that whatever gentle kind sides they might possess, somehow excuses the demonic ideologies they espouse.
it is the demonic ideologies themselves which must be confronted as our enemies and ackowledeged as such NOT the effects of those ideologies.
So enough hiding behind appeasing euphemisms such as "war on terror",or even "war on islamic extremists". We must focus on the real threat to our society and our politicians must find the dutch courage to say it plainly and openly.

Posted by: chevalier de st george at May 4, 2006 12:00 AM

Folks, with all due respect, bigger names than Moussaoui are rotting away in US federal prisons without repercussion. They include Ramzi Yousef, the architect of the first WTC atrocity, and Abdel Rahman, the blind cleric who gave the theological sanction for the first WTC attack by instructing his followers to follow the example of the Prophet and "destroy the citadels and edifices of the enemy."

Don't lament this decision too energetically. There are much bigger issues and much bigger fish to fry on the horizon.

Posted by: Cornelius at May 4, 2006 12:31 AM

This jury verdict reminded me of a detail I had forgotten; that many of the 9/11 hijackers “had limited knowledge of the 9/11 attack plans” and did not know they were on a suicide/mass homicide mission (quote provided by jury bleeding-hearts). William Webster made public this information as early as November, 2001.

If compartmentalization is not just good Jihad strategy, but also protects Mo's boys from punishments once captured, no wonder Moussaoui declared victory over America today.

Posted by: Jumpintimmy at May 4, 2006 12:45 AM

jeffreyimm :

You might want to google the word "Supermax" and then tell me again how he will be preaching to anyone from his Cell -- with twenty-three hours a day spent in isolation, with one hour in a isolated courtyard?

Even if he was sentenced to death tomorrow, how long would he spend on Deathrow? Tookie spent twenty years, with appeal after appeal and a media circus each time he came closer to execution, it's not like any of them are executed one- five years after sentencing.

I'm not sure what the hoople is about, you should had expected this from a civilian court. He should have been prosecuted as an enemy combatant and removed from U.S shores.

Posted by: xenophobic at May 4, 2006 12:45 AM

OK how will that stop the letters, the phone calls, the interviews, the TV shows, the books to support Jihadists around the world?

It won't.

Except that American taxpayers will be PAYING for Moussaoui to spread his Jihadist views every waking hour of the rest of his life.

Posted by: jeffreyimm at May 4, 2006 12:48 AM

"you should had expected this from a civilian court."

And I state up front that Moussaoui is the very definition of an "enemy combatant".

But the fact that Americans could not bring themselves to decide on death for this enemy is yet another signal to encourage Jihadists on the weakness of America. This jury decision will result in lost lives for certain, just not Moussaoui's.

Posted by: jeffreyimm at May 4, 2006 12:51 AM

As I said, even if sentenced to death, he would have stayed on Deathrow for at least a decade, the only type of quick execution would have been a military trial, as an enemy combatant.

As the Government have yet to put any captured foreign terrorists to death, what is the difference between life in a supermax or an unspecified term at club Gitmo? It would seem to me kind of ridiculous to criticize twelve civilians for not "doing their job" when people directly responsible for planning, and execution of the September 11th attacks (Khalid Shaikh Mohammed for example) work on their suntan at Gitmo, or sit in a box at a black site, and the Government have made no plans public, or otherwise to execute them either?

Posted by: xenophobic at May 4, 2006 1:08 AM

Maybe what happened to Jeffrey Dahmer in prison will happen to Moussaoui. - Omar

Posted by: www.islamquest.blogspot.com at May 4, 2006 1:17 AM

Moussaoui's lies were directly linked to the deaths of 2976 innocent civilians. He celebrates the carnage and only regrets there weren't more casualties.

Yet, he is being allowed to enjoy his beloved terrorist guide-book in the privacy of a warm, dry, clean room, while being served 3 nutricious meals a day (no pork, out of respect for his murderous ideology) until the end of his natural life. The government will surely allow him also to avoid any toilet that may face towards Mecca.

Moussaoui's letters to his Jihadist brothers will be posted on radical Islamic websites as living proof and inspiration to Jihadists everywhere, that Allah WILL protect you, if you murder in his name.

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Posted by: Television at May 4, 2006 1:50 AM

From posting above: But the fact that Americans could not bring themselves to decide on death for this enemy is yet another signal to encourage Jihadists on the weakness of America.

The jury in that trial as Americans, do not speak for 'America', they speak for themselves. If a jihadist see's that as 'American' weakness he is a fool. A different jury may have very well called for the death penalty.
America is not weak...ineffectual sometimes, but not weak. If the jihadist wants to view America as weak, that is his MISTAKE. Never underestimate the enemy. May the jihadist continue to make many, many mistakes...he will cause his own undoing...

Posted by: duh_swami at May 4, 2006 2:45 AM

I have never been in favour of a death penalty in any form.
Not because I am against the removal of scum like this creature, but because history has taught us, time and time again, that you cannot trust politicians and lawyers with such a penalty.

Once it is incarnated within the legal code its use(or abuse) can be stretched sideways and as far as suits the current leadership and no one can be considered safe from it.

Many people do not realise that many of the deaths of people in occupied europe were quite legal in that they broke a law in a state with a death penalty and the now German controlled state(be it France, Germany or Poland etc.) simply applied it to other offences.

However, in view of sentiments like the infamous 19th century US one:"the only good indian is a dead one" now transfigured to: "the only good kafir is a dead one", I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that, as life is essentially sacred, those who do NOT support this view should NOT be supported by it, and should be removed to a different plane. I was going to add painfully but really cannot and must agree that the old NKVD pistol shot to the back of the head will have to do: messy, but quick and relatively painless. Lethal injection always strikes me as technology gone too far PC and this is even considering the "icecream headache".

Hopefully, someone in gaol will have similar views and do a "Dahmer" on him. If it is slow and painful I should care but somehow I am having problems with this. Perhaps it is because he sees me as an kafir untermensch unworthy of existing.

Posted by: Zathras at May 4, 2006 3:31 AM

Yesterday night I was watching Resident Evil again and the sight of zombies walking the streets reminded me of Muslims. Should civilized people regard them as such? There are a lot of similarities, both do not have or do not use their minds, both destroy everything beautiful, and the Racoon city and the ravaged fields in Muslims country are the same. Should we be more harsh with them with regard to capital punishment?Thinking of humans as zombies ; is it correct? It does relieves the conscience when we drop a nuke on them.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 4, 2006 4:25 AM

You cannot fight a war from the courts, especially today's Godless, realativistic, liberal courts and the equally (in general), Godless, realativisitc, liberal juries that sit them.

To ever have turned any portion of the GWOT over to the courts was a wholesale cave in to PC.

In a war, when you take prisoners, you hold them as long as you want during and after the war (if you're the victor that is). You encarcerate them for life (Hess), you hang them (Tojo), you let tough minded proxies have their way with them (Eichmann).

You don't try to win their "minds and hearts." That's horse-hockey! Who have we fought that we could win their hearts?? The Nazis?? NO! The Vietcon?? NO! Jihadists?? NO!!

Mousauwi was a spy and sabouteur found within CONUS. Let's see...what happened to most Nazi, etc., spies caught in CONUS during war??

Posted by: Elendur at May 4, 2006 5:10 AM

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Let's face facts, whether you executed the vermin or not he would try and claim victory. This is the muslim nutter way. Personally I think it's time to stop worrying about turning people like this into martyrs as they will always find a way to create themselves in that image. These fools have shown that the only language they understand is violence so maybe it's time we started playing on their terms?

Posted by: DaveMate at May 4, 2006 7:22 AM

jeffreyimm,

Do yourself a favor and read once again what xenophobic had posted about the "supermax" federal prision(s). Better yet; do a google search about these "supermax" prisions. They keep the worse of the worse in complete lockdown 23 out of the 24 hours. That means no tv, radio, internet, book writing, interviews, nothing. He will be kept tight as a drum.

Also take in consideration the fact that the jury has to watch out for both their lives and the lives of their dear ones. They know that the Islamofacists could end up threatening them. So I am not suprised by the decision.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at May 4, 2006 7:27 AM

i think what upset me and so many others is we remeber a world that had some justice in it.but the last 25 years the world has gone twilight zone,a woman in a coma is starved to death,and a demonic killer is called a poor abused child.a madman in iran has told the world what his evil plans are,and the whole says what does he mean,we need to understand him,lets talk.evil is as evil does.fail fo see evil and evil wins.

Posted by: campingman1 at May 4, 2006 8:16 AM

This life sentence is a huge victory for the mujahideen, and will be viewed as yet another sign of a weakened West that has lost it's resolve. Moussaoui will be lionized by our enemies in prison where he can pratice dawa, (Islamic Prostletyzing) and communicate to the outside. Under the watchful eye of Amnesty International and the ACLU to make sure his rights are in tact. Be it true or not, the perception that America and it's allies are at each others throats over the war and lack the resolve to execute the "20th highjacker" will be a positive recuiting tool for al-Qaeda.

The current American attitude seems to be that "we are the nice people, we can't stoop to their level". This is a strategy for failure. No one will win a war by treating it's enemies as if they are citizens. Moussaoui is an Enemy POW and should be treated like one. Otherwise it isn't a "War On Terror", but a lot like law enforcement aided by a judicial system that has no expertise in National Security
or military matters. These are better left to , you guessed it! The military.

This inability to deal with the danger that faces us is the direct result of our denial of Islams' violent jihad against America. The American tradition of religous tolerance has accepted Muslim's who have emigrated here and allowed them to practice their faith freely. But not all religions are created equal, some are recognized as cults. The faith that is founded by a murderous pedephile bent on the geneocide of the Jews and submission of the rest of the planet's population, (Koran :191,192,193) needs to be assigned cult status, and those who will bring up arms against us in the name of this cult need to be killed.

Posted by: kevin at May 4, 2006 8:37 AM

Mousauwi was a spy and sabouteur found within CONUS. Let's see...what happened to most Nazi, etc., spies caught in CONUS during war??
Posted by: Elendur [TypeKey Profile Page]

yes and if we were ever so serious about the war on terror this man would of had a military court, and hung, and it should be done in the most unislamaic funeral, that is send his ashes back to France! until we are serious, Mousauwi and his ilk will never fear the West!

Posted by: Lulu at May 4, 2006 8:46 AM

To All Freedom Lovers Around the Globe;

I've had a full day to absorb the Moussaoui verdict and I stand by my conclusion that "Zach" should have gotten and did get life without hope in prision. For the record, I go either way on the death penalty. I'm not for it, nor am I against it. I say "Let the punishment fit the crime." I hate that he didn't get the the "last walk" but I'm glad that he got life. The way that the liberals have the court system screwed up, "Zach could have walked out a free man!..
But the only thing is that this should not have been tried in a court of law at all. He should have been tried before a military tribunal. Moussaoui was tried as a criminal and not as an enemy combatant.
The mistake was in treating him like a common criminal. He's a terrorist. And a piss-poor one at that. It was said that Moussaoui was the "useful idiot" that could not be trusted to carry out the plan. He's has proven not to be the sharpest knife in the draw. And if he was such a big wheel, why hasn't Osama bin Laden and al-Quida don't the Muslim thing in kidnapping an innocent and hold him/her hostage demanding "Zach's" release? He's not important. One jurist called it best by calling Mouossaoui a "wannabe." Moussaoui right now is just a peon. It would've been a waste of time to execute him. He's small potatoes compared to if, lets say, we had Osama on trial. Now we have the poster boy for the death penalty!!!
Besides, Moussaoui may have proven the smartest out of the bunch. He got himself arrested before the plot was carried out. That way after it all went down, he could claim his part in the plot without having to die in the hell of being cooked to a crisp. Knowing the liberal courts, he took a gamble. Only thing is it came up craps because he's going to be put away for the rest of his days in solitary in a super-maximum security prision with the Uni-bomber and Terry McNicols. No human contact. No body to share his views of Islam with. No 72-76 virgins in Islamic heaven. No rememberance of Moussaoui's death at the hands of the "Great Shiatan" America. Death would have been an easy out for this Islamofeces. He came to this country to die not live. And with our court system, it would've been twenty years before his execution anyway. Unless he waved all of his appeals. This is why I kind of do wish that he had been given the death penalty. If he had waved all of his rights to appeal, then America would've lost. He may have proven serious about dying, thus making the United States the stuff that Muslims myths are made of. But now he won't have that chance. This is the best punishment for Moussaoui, to live the rest of his life in shame. Trying to get "We the People" to order his death. He'll get his last chance to speew his Islamofeces/terrorist views, however long that takes, and then it off to life as a failure.
But in the future, all terrorists should be tried in a military court. Away from liberals and shyster legal eagles. I mean if it's good for Americans serving our country, then military justice is most definitely good for Islamofeces/terrorists.

Posted by: Ironman Hondo at May 4, 2006 9:49 AM

Right on, Ironman. How dare we extend the rights of American due process to a non-citizen who has expressed his desires to kill all of us? This was not a criminal case.

Posted by: Know Your Enemy at May 4, 2006 10:32 AM

To be honest, I get much more angry every time I see a TRAITOR to the United States get tucked away without meeting a firing squad. I'd like to know why we are so damn kind to our traitors now.

Moussaoui is going to prove to be of no consequence once he is out of the spotlight.

However, and I will be firm on this, if I detect the Far Left (Communist/Marxist/West-hating) establishment trying to use Moussaoui or any other terrorist/Islamist scumbag to attempt to further corrode our nation from within, I will begin a letter campaign to see that those persons are held accountable. I must agree with sentiments that I have seen R. Spencer post elsewhere, that I too worry almost as much about our own internal devils as I do about the ones without. We have some serious housecleaning to do in this country. Those who despise their own culture and spit on the history of the U.S.A. and its laws, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights need to be shown for what they truly are: traitorous and contemptible.

I defy anyone that tries to find equivolency in this conflict, that studiously engages their own in arguments, while only seeking to undermine the truth and, worst of all, those people that seek to further a personal political agenda at the cost of national security. I have already made my mind up to start dealing with such radical enemies of our way of life with unmasked disdain, especially when I meet them face to face. There is not enough open indignation when it comes to such vermin!

Posted by: Foehammer at May 4, 2006 10:58 AM

Well, being new on this site but also being a french citizen (that should get a few replies) and posting from France I will give you my opinion on the man:
He should have been executed, but since it's exactly what he wanted in order to get his 72 virgins in Allah's paradise I think its a good thing that he rots in a prison cell for the rest of his life. Hopefully, without any comforts or any sort. His mother was on the news here today, she said that "her poor son was only a victim", that the French should have defended him instead of " handing over another arab to the americans', that it was a fate worse than death, etc, etc, etc. She and her lawyers also want him to be sent over here so he can purge his sentence in a french prison. I suggest we (the French) stick HER in a french prison so that she will be "soldiare" with her beloved son.
Believe me, our prisons here are already too full of this sort of vermin, our society too for that matter. Don't think we love the uslamics over here more than you do !

Posted by: vlad-drago at May 4, 2006 3:06 PM

Moussaoui will be preaching islam to his own earwax. Supermax inmates do not intermingle with other inmates or officers. A death sentence would have taken 16 years anyway and given him much more appeal leverage and notoriety which he craves anyway. This is not one of those usual prison sentences. If he is really crazy he may do ok if he is not he will be soon. Sleep well.

Posted by: pismopal at May 4, 2006 4:51 PM

"America, you lost, I won"

Oh yeah - you hit the jackpot Moussaoui - you won a one-way ticket to hell!!!

Posted by: champ at May 5, 2006 1:34 AM

Vlad-drago
Bienvenue-I hope you will not hesitate to give this site the inside view of the French man on the street. Don't be thin skinned. Sometimes Americans deal with French anti Americanism by ignoring American anti Americanism..of which there is much..from the left.

Posted by: pismopal at May 5, 2006 10:07 AM

Thanks pismopal.
Not ALL french are anti-american, I'm not. But we do have problems with the left wing liberals who think that its good to hate the allies who saved us several times in the past. But that's another matter... in the meantime I think we are ALL in the same boat in that the real danger today is Islamic Imperialism. Regretfully, not many people over here seem to share this point of view but times are changing....let's not forget that we kicked them out of Europe 800 yrs ago during the saracen invasions. Same people with the same religion, only now they have better weapons and are covered by the media's.
They are doomed to fall again...but the only problem is how many innocent victims will have to share their fate.

Posted by: drago at May 5, 2006 4:25 PM