Kindly replace "God" with "allah". No god I know will have his followers do this.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 7, 2006 7:19 AM

Why can't we leave them alone ? They are confusing us with their "sects" and "shia" and "sunni" and "iraqi". I am horrified by this detail of a murder by demonic muslims, but they murder in this way daily. They have murdered so since the madman mohammad started this. And I know that the journalist was drilled when she was alive. The muslims have only one use of a dead body, that to dismember it. Drilling a dead body is useless exercise to them. They drilled her when she was still alive. Have no hopes when dealing with mohammad's men .

Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 7, 2006 7:31 AM

Arjun,

That issue has been discussed many, many times on this site.

Clearly the God of the Qur'an is not the same as the God of the Bible, from a theological standpoint.

However, Arabic-speaking Christians used the word "Allah" for God before the advent of Islam, and continue to do so.

I generally try to use the word "Allah" for the God of Islam in order to avoid confusion. In this post I didn't, because the Times translation used "God" and I wanted to make precisely the point that you make: no God would really command this.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at May 7, 2006 7:38 AM

I put this in its correct place..my apologies to those who made the mistake of reading it twice :)

There is no death but painful death for these people who are usually too cowardly to show their faces.

I could laugh at the fact that these heroes who are "not afraid to die in the name of allah" are simply too yellow to show their faces on their idea of a fun video.

What a masterly example of islamic morality and Muslim heroism!!!

Perhaps we should start to change our criminal laws to give the Muslims that which they seek: a separate criminal code where the "eye for an eye" idea is applied to all who attempt jihad by such barbarity.

Posted by: Zathras at May 7, 2006 7:47 AM

from another book almost always ignored today.he that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity.he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.you rape and murder for satan not god.

Posted by: campingman1 at May 7, 2006 7:47 AM

American's proper attitude toward islam is one of utter contempt. At the time of our invasion, we should have destroyed every mosque in Iraq - and anyone foolish enough to protest.

When the US Army occupied Korea at the end of World War II, it burned every Japanese Shinto Shrine in that country - to the ground. Now, that was clarity.

Posted by: Havoc at May 7, 2006 7:47 AM

Unspeakable depravity.

The cries of allah akbar is enough to convince me that Islam is vile beyond belief and needs to be eradicated. Yet Islam's appeasers will continue to make excuses for this horror and for the countless others that have happened and will continue to happen. "Oh but, the Bible is violent too", they'll whine, as if that has anything to do with anything. "Oh but, this is only a tiny minority of extremists who've been driven to such depravity because of Israel and the US!" But, but, but!

But nothing! This is not a religion. It is worse than Nazism.

Sickening.

Posted by: feralee at May 7, 2006 7:58 AM

Havoc, I agree with you completely. What is the attitude of iraquis to the allied forces? They stay in their locality in silence. What would be our attitude? Having arms and ammunition, we shall fight, not having arms and ammo, we would have fled to a safer region. After all, the allied forces are not that much in number as to cover the whole of iraq. But, the mo's stay and pretend to be innocent civialians, take all the food and aid,and strike when they feel like it.Like at the British chopper killing all and having a party at the end of it.The allied forces have their hands tied cos of the dhimmi media (oh poor iraqis dying by the hand of the white soldier) and the politicians. Our boys could have been out of Iraq in 1 month flat after carpet bombing it and no rehabilitation b***.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 7, 2006 8:09 AM

"We may never know who killed Bahjat or why," says the Times Online article. Followers of Islam killed that woman, of whatever sect. If the media in the US can take time out from the Natalee Holloway story and Tom Cruise's baby stories, maybe they can devote some time to writing and talking about Bahjat and other journalists who risk their lives every day, and sometimes lose their lives, reporting the real stories of living in Islamic countries.

Posted by: maryrose at May 7, 2006 8:30 AM

You decry the fact that Muslims "are streaming into Western countries, by the design and forethought of Western leaders", and declare this to be "insane". You are correct, of course, but at least in the United States the decisions have been made. Both the Republicans and the Democrats, the President and the Congress (Specifically, the Senate) have made it clear that the borders will not be secured. In fact, the centerpiece of the "immigration reform" effort in the Senate is a gigantic increase in the number of Muslims, particularly Arab Mulims, admitted legally to the United States.

The battle, such as it was, is over. You lost. The governing elites in the United States have made their decision. Between one and two million Muslims from the Middle East, Africa, and South Asia will be admitted to the United States each year. Many more will continue to enter illegally across the undefended borders.

It is time to face reality and acknowledge that the United States will be an Islamic state and that Sharia will be the law of the land.

Allahu akbar.

Posted by: Norseman at May 7, 2006 8:33 AM

"Perhaps we should start to change our criminal laws to give the Muslims that which they seek: a separate criminal code where the 'eye for an eye' idea is applied to all who attempt jihad by such barbarity."

The strongest argument against legal torture is that it affects the society that tortures. We should restrain people like Ibrahim Hooper (for whom sharia is the goal), stop the immigration, keep other muslims under surveillance and remove them when possible. But domestic brutality will come back to us, just as some of the valiant soldiers who went to Iraq will come back a bit unhinged by their day-to-day experiences there.

Posted by: StillBreathing at May 7, 2006 8:38 AM

This is unbelievable. I just read the full article in The times and I'm overcome with incredible sadness. To think what this woman went through in the last minutes of her life is a profoundly disturbing experience that connects us all in horror of what these people are doing. There is something that bonds us on this planet, whatever our colour, race, religion but these guys demonstrate something that no human can begin to understand. This is a destruction of humanity, civilization, values, the idea that we can feel and everything humanity stands for. This can't go on. We have got to do something. We cannot accept this. There is no way I billion plus muslims can support this, we have crossed a threshold. We must take care of this now.

Posted by: raulb at May 7, 2006 8:38 AM

This women was truly a brave person, Iraq has lost the hope for the futur good of their country. the followers of the Koran continues to kill their own faster than any other cause, yet these same muslims will go on and blame the West, AMericans, and Jews. they need only look at their koran for the answers.

Posted by: Lulu at May 7, 2006 8:39 AM

My stomach churned when I read about this woman's ordeal. Unbelievable. Demonic. Allah must be Satan himself.

Posted by: Thuunda at May 7, 2006 8:41 AM

You can put a savage in 21st century clothes but he's still a savage. Muslims, with their love of snuff films are evil. The very nature of their death cult (I refuse to dignify it by calling it a religion)breeds sciopaths. Islam has no redeeming features.

I am not an advocate of torture even with the types who killed the journalist but I wouldn't say no to finding them and killing them on sight.

I have never appreciated my country and it's people more than I do now.

Posted by: fireangel at May 7, 2006 8:42 AM

It makes me so sad that this happens. There's not a lot more I can say really.

It reminds me of the violence in Rwanda. In interviews a couple of years later with people who committed the violence they say that "the devil walked this land at that time - we were under a spell"

I think this is happening in Iraq. The devil is walking the land and people are acting and behaving acording to his doing, with no humanity left in them.

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In agreement with arjun.sevak this happens on a daily basis all across Iraq.

And I haven't a clue what the solution is...

Posted by: mazztr at May 7, 2006 8:42 AM

However, Arabic-speaking Christians used the word "Allah" for God before the advent of Islam, and continue to do so.

I generally try to use the word "Allah" for the God of Islam in order to avoid confusion.

About five years ago, I attended a Roman Catholic mass. The priest serving the mass said during the homily that he was an expert on the subject of islam since he had lived in the Middle-East for years.

He told his followers that Catholics and islam worshiped the same god; i.e. allah and the god of the bible were one in the same.

Since that time, I have heard many Roman Catholic lay persons express the same thing; however my reading of Catholic Church history suggests the opposite.

I have not set foot in a Catholic Church since five years ago, but I wonder if the official stand by this church toward allah is changing since a lot of Catholics (Spencer excluded) seem to imply that is has i.e. islam and the god of the bible are one in the same diety.

If it has not officially changed, may I politely suggest to anyone of that faith that clarification of the issue needs to be addressed?

It is important, no?

Posted by: witness at May 7, 2006 8:51 AM

witness

There are some posts recently re the Pope's books and address' and the Australian Catholics Cardinal who clearly know the god of Islam is not the God of the Bible, although I haven't seen them explicitly say this.

I don't know why there is the reticence to say so - why do people want to link the Judao Christian God with the Islamic god ??

Posted by: mazztr at May 7, 2006 8:59 AM

why do people want to link the Judao Christian God with the Islamic god ??

I believe that in the case of the priest that I mentioned, they think that by incorrectly linking the two dieties, they can some how promote peace.

Posted by: witness at May 7, 2006 9:08 AM

anyone with a brain can see the difference between the God of the Christians who does not want you kill period, only the satan worshiping allah can give those instructions to the war monger muhammud and his brain dead followers!

Posted by: Lulu at May 7, 2006 9:13 AM

I have yet to see US media give such a detailed description of the depravity these lunatics are capable of. Instead, horrific executions are blandly summarized with insipid phrases such as "found murdered...body was beheaded...possible evidence of torture," etc. I think Americans, particularly the mooonbats, need to read, hear and perhaps even see the sickening truth in all its graphic detail. Maybe that will wake them up.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 7, 2006 9:37 AM

No, no, no. Mustn't do that. It could scare the kiddies. Hafta shelter them from the real world as long as possible, otherwise they might grow up hatin' the people that are out to kill or subjugate them. Wouldn't want that to happen.

Posted by: Eisenhund at May 7, 2006 9:52 AM

the problem is no one will admit evil lives.until we face the fact that the koran is a book that tells people to commit evil in the name of god.we are doomed.woe to you who call evil good,and good evil.

Posted by: campingman1 at May 7, 2006 10:02 AM

This Iraqi death squad shows far more than just a love of death: by the actions described here, these individuals show a love of pain, suffering, blood, gore, fear, and pure, unadulterated, merciless terrorizing -- for the so-called enemy, of course, not for themselves.

Any belief system associated with these actions is far removed from what the world commonly understands as religion. But if I were unfortunate enough to be a member of the religion invoked by these sadists, I would run far and run fast to distance myself from any association with them.

The world has waited for "moderate" Muslims to patrol their own religion, to rein it in, to curb its excesses. Nothing along that line is evident yet, and time is running out.

More tortured murder victims were found today in Iraq -- the death squads have been working overtime.

A mass exodus from Islam of Muslims, sickened by the continual litany of atrocities carried out daily, inspired by the Qu'ran, is the only thing now which can halt the spread of this cancer.

Posted by: Jen at May 7, 2006 10:18 AM

The next time I come across somebody that tells me that these barbarians are the exception to the Islamic rule of peace, I'm going to break his jaw.

Posted by: Kevin M at May 7, 2006 10:32 AM

I nearly posted this elsewhere this morning but it is here now and I am glad to know that so many people saw it, and were so affected by the description of her death.
Don't let anyone call this an "execution" or even an "assassination".
This was, is, organised sadism, killing for pleasure, which no true soldier does.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at May 7, 2006 10:53 AM

Fireangle: I am not an advocate of torture either. However, what these two "big strong wimps" did to this woman, I think they should be drawn and quartered, as opposed to being mercifully shot and killed on the spot.

Posted by: mustang65 at May 7, 2006 11:08 AM

1) Islam is not a religion; it is a cult.
2) The only good Muslim is an apostate Muslim.
3) Muhammad was not a prophet; he was a psychopath.

I have only read a little more than half of the Qur'an so far, and even that has been accomplished in fits and starts. (No easy task!) However, notwithstanding my admittedly limited knowledge, I am curious if anyone else has considered the very real possibility that Muhammad was in fact suffering from some sort of organic brain disease. It is well established that certain types of lesions in particular areas of the brain can result in sociopathic and/or psychopathic behavior. In addition to the many examples of Muhammad's irrational ideations and violent behavior, there are numerous instances of visions, which could be interpreted as hallucinations. I also recall at least one passage that describes Muhammad being sick with some kind of fever that caused his body to shake uncontrollably. Sounds like a seizure to me.

I know I can't be the first one to wonder about this, and I apologize in advance for my ignorance. I would like to know what your thoughts are, Mr. Spencer.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 7, 2006 11:11 AM

This is the Religion of Peace and Tolerance and of Respect Toward Women. We must'nt be islamophobic.

Posted by: jay at May 7, 2006 11:12 AM

we are in a battle and there are only two sides,those who fight for every thing good in our world.or those who commit or make excuses for these evil brutal animals.chose a side and fight,there is no grey area.wake up....pick a side and fight.

Posted by: campingman1 at May 7, 2006 11:23 AM

allah is Satan.
She had nine drill holes in her right arm and 10 in her left, he said. The drill had also been applied to her legs, her navel and her right eye. One can only hope that these mutilations were made after her death.
Who but the evil one would take pleasure in such acts?

Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 7, 2006 11:28 AM

IrishEi,

"Muhammad was in fact suffering from some sort of organic brain disease"

Its a point that's been discussed quite a few times. Appratenly after one of his seizures he would then start to recite new parts of the Koran, which were then transcribed.

It was during these seizures that he was being spoken to by Gabriel (so they say).

I believe Mohammed a powerful, charismatic, but insane man; he developed a religion cult around him with a doctorine of absolute obeyance on pain of death. The doctorine was there to prevent questioning of his obviously deranged ideology, so that he retained earthly power.

Islam still has the same ideology - the desire for total power and domination, on pain of death.

Posted by: mazztr at May 7, 2006 11:35 AM

The muslims do the halal on all animals. It is not hilal it is halal. This means to cut the throat slowly until the animal bleeds to death.They will not eat any other meat. It is this halal that they did on 9/11,and to Daniel Perl,and to the contractors,and other media people,Hindu engineer Suryanarayan in Afghanistan 4 days back,and this reporter whose video we got today. I am trying to find out more details about this,but expect more such deaths.The Western world after the Crusades was sheltered from muslims and I have been writing to the FBI since 9/11 about how cruel these people are.They are DEMONS.When muslims started killing Hindus in the year 1947 for their own country (They got it.It is Pakistan carved out of the Punjab state of India) people used to poison or kill their daughters lest they get into the hands of muslims.We think that this is extreme,but look at what happened to this reporter.That is why crying fathers killed their daughters and went swords in hands to fight the muslim mobs to death. I have photographs of village wells filled with the bodies of Hindus. Then the muslims got to the railway stations,killed all they could,cut their bodies in pieces,and filled the train compartments with them and sent them to India.All this is well documented.If you want,you can buy a book by several British authors who were not happy with British Army not given the orders to save massacres.One million Hindus were killed.Eight million made it back to India.To kill one million,there were no armies but the muslims Hindus lived and worked and traded with.They were all ready to butcher.And they did.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 7, 2006 11:39 AM

why must our voice be so small?...we must find a way to be heard above the den of evil...or live with the fact we saw ww3 coming and did nothing to stop the madness.how many more must die?...do we die like sheep?...or fight the evil?

Posted by: campingman1 at May 7, 2006 11:49 AM

Mazztr:
Thanks for the info.

Yet in spite of this revealing information, there are still more than a billion people who follow this cult. Most other cults fizzle out at a couple or ten thousand or so (Moonies, Jim Jones.) As explained in Mr. Spencer's book, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam, part of the reason can be attributed to the fact that many Muslims cannot understand the Qur'an because they do not speak Arabic. But, 1.3+ BILLION???

Baffles the mind.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 7, 2006 11:58 AM

Jen

"A mass exodus from Islam of Muslims, sickened by the continual litany of atrocities carried out daily, inspired by the Qu'ran, is the only thing now which can halt the spread of this cancer."

You know that's not possible. It will never happen. To many people, especially Muslims, the loss of their religious identity is more scary than any other fear, including death by torture. Can you imagine the almost unbearable anxiety of stepping outside the framework of the total regulation of your life, from manner of clothing to the way to wipe your ass?

There are those who can't be free, you know. They prefer to live like slaves. It's safer, less taxing on the brain. Dostoevsky knew this.

Posted by: ovidius_naso at May 7, 2006 11:59 AM

Ovidius,

Millions of Muslims in Africa are converting to Christianity. So it's not hopeless.

Posted by: tigger2005 at May 7, 2006 12:09 PM

President Bush, this is your relegion of peace...
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A large man dressed in military fatigues, boots and cap approaches from behind and covers her mouth with his left hand. In his right hand, he clutches a large knife with a black handle and an 8in blade. He proceeds to cut her throat from the middle, slicing from side to side.

Her cries — “Ah, ah, ah” — can be heard above the “Allahu akbar” (God is greatest) intoned by the holder of the mobile phone.
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The true one loving God has taken her to Heaven to be with him.

God's plan for the vileness that is islam has been laid and his vengance through the man will be utter devistation against islam and its vile followers.
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President Bush, there will be one vistor, either America and the rest of the civilized world or the vileness that is islam. You need to decide and take this war to islam.

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.

Posted by: Texican at May 7, 2006 12:13 PM

I am so livid that mistakes sometime happen in my posts.

President Bush, there will be one VICTOR, either America and the rest of the civilized world or the vileness that is islam. You need to decide and take this war to islam.

God save America and world from this vilness that is islam.

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.

Posted by: Texican at May 7, 2006 12:15 PM

As much as the videotaped evidence sickens me, I might yet have to start posting links for the world to consume regularly so that we never forget what montrous acts are done in the name of "Allah."

The murder of Nick Berg is forever burned into my memory, and it's one memory I would like to be rid of, but until this conflict is over, I see no way I can responsibly run away from such truth, no matter how vile it might be to recall.

Posted by: Foehammer at May 7, 2006 12:19 PM

Its typical Islam, and Islam is a byword for unspeakable savagery, cruelty, depravity, barbarity and backwardness. If you want a microcosm of what an Islamic planet means - THIS IS IT! We've had enough of politically-correct shilly-shallying from our media and our politicians. Lets say it as it is. Drilling holes into bodies whilst still alive and slashing throats. That is Islam. Over the years, this savage death cult must have claimed the lives of at least two or three billion innocent souls and wrecked many more lives, far more than any other religion, institution or cult, and probably as many as all the other religions and cults combined over the last 5,500 or 6,000 years. This cult is uniquely barbaric and savage. It is far worse than the Aztec death cult. What is worse? Having your still-beating heart cut out to please the Gods Aztec-style, or having holes drilled into you before being finished off with your throat slashed? No known cult or religion has created human suffering on such a monumental scale as Islam, and there looks to be no end in sight to it. It is time to stop making excuses for that brutal death cult, which regards murder as something to be rewarded with virgins in Paradise. Little wonder Winston Churchill said “The religion of Islam above all others was founded upon the sword … Moreover it provides incentives to slaughter, and in three continents has produced fighting breeds of men – filled with a wild and merciless fanaticism.” If we lose to the Islamists, it means being ruled by them, and this sort of barbarism and sadism happening on a global scale right down to your own neighbourhood. And the frightening prospect for many European countries is that this nightmare is merely decades away on current population trends. France is 11% Muslim now, but birth rates point towards it being over 40% Muslim within 50 years. And we have seen enough Muslim violence there over the past few months to know what that means, plus the weak-kneed response of the French authorities in the face of that violence, which tells France's Muslim population that their Government is totally gutless. If this can happen when Muslims make up 11% of the French population, then what unspeakable horrors await when they make up that dreaded 40%, 50% or 60% of the population? What use would our World War II sacrifices be if this eventuality comes to pass and newborns will be born into this sort of Hades through no fault of their own, and all because we produced a soft and decadent Kumbaya-singing PC brigade from the 1960s onwards?

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at May 7, 2006 12:40 PM

Norseman -

Americans are ruled with the consent of the governed. That consent may be withdrawn at any time. There is a large and growing fraction of Americans who find the presence of muslims on our soil inappropriate - to say the least. That is part of what President Bush's collapsing support is about.

If I were a muslim in America, I would not make any long-term plans. I would definitely not invest in real estate.

Posted by: Havoc at May 7, 2006 12:43 PM

tigger2005

You may be right, but I believe most of them convert from animism, not Islam.

Posted by: ovidius_naso at May 7, 2006 12:43 PM

Good old-fashioned hatred for the enemy is a requirement for war. Don't shy away from that feeling. I still have a poster tucked away from World War II and I might have to have it framed soon and hung in my library, so that no persons can ever see it and not be reminded of why we fight for our way of life.

"Deliver us from evil"

http://history1900s.about.com/library/photos/blywwiip56.htm?rd=1

Posted by: Foehammer at May 7, 2006 12:51 PM

witness,

"However, Arabic-speaking Christians used the word "Allah" for God before the advent of Islam, and continue to do so. "

It is true that for Christians of Arabic backround that is how they call God, which for them, ( Arab Christians ) is called Allah. Last week, while over at the Freerepublic.com website, which has a section on postings on faith matters, mostly Christian and Jewish. Last week when I came upon an article about the mother of Jesus, Mary, in which the Labanonise, Maronite Catholics call her Our Lady of Labanon and her feast day which is today, I did a Google search. Came upon a few websites with that special title to a number of Maronite Catholic parishes. One, in PA, have at the begining of its homepage the Arabic reference to God, which for Christians is Allah.

The Christians in that part of the world used the title centuries before Islam come unto the scene. So in truth, the Arab Christians are the only ones who can really use that title for God.
That the Muslim faith took from the Jewish and Christian sources do not suprise me at all. It rather saddens me.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at May 7, 2006 12:51 PM

The problem as we head into the 21st century, is that all religions, Christian, Muslim et al, believe in the veracity of books written hundreds and thousands of years ago which they accept as either divenely inspired or actually are the word of God. There is not one single scrap of evidence to support these beliefs, yet we are hell bent on killing one another because of them. What do Christians and Muslims have in common? Faith. Blind, unsupported faith drilled into us as children which later becomes fear: a fear to question or doubt, a fear to use our brains to reason. As long as we cling to these ancient words written by primitive men who thought,without a shred of proof, the earth was flat, that there could be virgin birth, miracles, angels, paradise with 72 virgins for male martyrs, we will be like lemmings rushing toward the chasm of nuclear destruction.

Didn't matter much until 9/11 and now when both sides either possess or are on the verge of possessing weapons of mass destruction which they will use with the certainty that they are the chosen people. The ancient words of all the books instruct their followers to kill the non-believers.

If there are beings watching from space, their only conclusion after viewing our self destruction of civilization must be: How incredibly stupid.

Posted by: Crude one at May 7, 2006 12:58 PM

arjun.sevak: "To kill one million,there were no armies but the muslims Hindus lived and worked and traded with.They were all ready to butcher.And they did."

This is how its always been with Islam and this is how it will be for Europe (this seems inevitable by now) and eventually here for us in the States as well.

Spirit of 1683: "what unspeakable horrors await when they make up that dreaded 40%, 50% or 60% of the population?"

For those seeming to lack an imagination, regular poster Shiva here has a website graphically depicting many of those horrors. Those lacking an imagination should scroll through the many pages for images of Muslim hordes holding up severed heads, bodies dragged in the streets, women brutally raped and so on:

http://www.fomi.nu/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1627&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

This is the inevitable future if we don't stop Muslim immigration to the west. And Muslims have the sheer gall to try to silence those who see the horror that is coming with the lame charge of "Islamophobia".

Posted by: Caroline at May 7, 2006 1:04 PM

I have yet to see US media give such a detailed description of the depravity these lunatics are capable of. And you never will they are to afraid to tell the truth.

Posted by: bubbamonkey100 at May 7, 2006 1:04 PM

Norseman,

The fact that immigration from these lands is not being halted does not mean it is still unacceptable to allow in those with no intention of taking up arms to defend the United States and who also abuse the liberties they are granted by saying things like you just said "the United States will install Sharia law." It is not completely unreasonable to say that out of frustration, but this appears to be a dream that would be welcomed with open arms by you.

Responsibility does rest upon the citizens of the States, but this does not make civilians guilty and worthy of death. Here you are in total agreement with Osama bin Laden, who justifies his attacks on American citizens because he believes them to be responsible for their leaders decisions and thus inhuman.

Posted by: ChinCheck at May 7, 2006 1:05 PM

The silence of the US MSM on these atrocities is more than deafening. This is brutality and moral emptiness in the rawest form.

The suburban Crusader

Posted by: Brian the Lionhearted at May 7, 2006 1:12 PM

Foehammer

I haven't seen the Nick Berg video. I've avoided it on purpose. Yet there's no way one can totally avoid such images on the web. I accidently happened upon, and watched, some 5 seconds from a video filmed in Chechnya, I believe, of a Russian soldier whose throat was being cut exactly like the Iraqui journalist's.
I had stupidly believed that these beheadings take place somewhat mercifully, guillotine-style. One cut, and it's over.
I didn't understand the utter depravity and horror of this "religion" until I saw those 5 seconds of the tape, and heard the sounds of it. I think the sounds were even worse than the images. I don't know why.
But the video will haunt me for the rest of my life, just like the images filmed by the Allies in Nazi camps at the end of WWII, and my own visit to Auschwitz as a kid.
I admit, humbly, that I have no comprehension of, and explanation for, evil of this magnitude.
And I have to confess that, in my weakness, I've been searching for an answer on this site, while suspecting there's none other that it is.

Posted by: ovidius_naso at May 7, 2006 1:13 PM

... are streaming into Western countries, by the design and forethought of Western leaders, with no attempt whatsoever made to determine whether or not they approve of such slaughters and the ideology that motivates them.

Let us, just for a fun moment, set aside the ridiculous myth that Islam is a religion.

Do and ya get a big change at both at our ports-of-entry and at our Green Card monitoring offices.

No longer having the "Islam-is-a-religion" ridiculous myth to hange their hats on, INS officials would be forced to designate Islam as a politico-military ideology.

Any believer of Islam would certainly approve of such slaughters and the ideology (Islam) that motivates them and should be denied the right to enter or remain in America, as the case may be.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at May 7, 2006 1:18 PM

I was reading this the other night, and it jumped out at me, while it discusses Communism, and Nazism et al, it really applies to Islam too:

Ideology -- that is what gives evildoing it's long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination. That is social theory which helps to make his acts seem good instead of bad in his own and other's eyes, so that he won't hear reproaches and curses but will receive praise and honors. That is how the agents of the Inquisition fortified their wills: by invoking Christianity; the conquerors of foreign lands, by extolling the grandeur of their Motherland; the colonizers, by equality, brotherhood of future generations. Thanks to ideology, the twentieth century was fated to experiment evildoing on a scale calculated in the millions. -- Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago.

Posted by: xenophobic at May 7, 2006 1:35 PM

Crude One,

There are indeed a few (very few) instances of a call to violence in both the Old and New Testaments. However, all are specific calls to war against specific enemies in specific periods of time. Nowhere does the Bible call for Jews or Christians to slay the infidels wherever you find them or wherever they hide; and nowhere does it promise rewards for those who rape, torture and murder in God's name.

On closer scrutiny I think you will find that many of the conflicts that have been characterized as religious wars (such as the Crusades) were actually justified assaults against evil ideologies that had imposed their vile and brutal system of beliefs on others.

Those who believe in a loving God should not be mocked; neither should those who choose not to believe.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 7, 2006 1:44 PM

ovidius_naso,

A mass exodus from Islam may not be probable, but it is possible, even given the current state of the world. With Islam seemingly gaining strength and the West doing little but sitting back apologizing for its own existence, there is still a voice struggling to be heard from ordinary Muslims -- a somewhat bewildered voice, to be sure, but nonetheless a voice expressing a questioning, a criticism, a puzzlement.

This will be helped along by the Internet and even by the mass media. News will make its way to the surface which in the past stayed buried. For example, even staunch Muslims in Turkey are questioning the religion which enourages so-called "honour killings." "This is not the true Islam," they say. Or, about Aisha's tender age, they say, "Understanding is very hard." With these words, expressed in these scenarios and in many others, the struggle will begin.

Ali Sina (from faithfreedom.org)has said that when Muslims realize the extent to which they've been deceived by their religion, they will rise up in earth-shaking numbers. I hope he's right.

I agree that many people don't want freedom, and this is especially evident in the Muslim world. It's a frightening prospect to have to be responsible for one's own thoughts and actions. Much better, they think, to defer to a higher power -- whether that be the Qur'an, Nazi ideology, or mainstream conformity.

Of all the convulsions which have shaken the world throughout human history, I see the coming war between Islam and freedom as being the worst. If enough Muslims come to their senses before the crisis point is reached, there is a hope that the war can be averted. But the chance is slight, I agree.

Posted by: Jen at May 7, 2006 1:48 PM

"Muhammad was in fact suffering from some sort of organic brain disease"

Its a point that's been discussed quite a few times. Appratenly after one of his seizures he would then start to recite new parts of the Koran, which were then transcribed.

It was during these seizures that he was being spoken to by Gabriel (so they say)."

Quote above...

mazztr;

The Bible states in many places that epileptic seizures are a form of demonic possesion, this is what I feel happened to Muhammad.

Try looking at Mark 5;1-9 , Mark 1;32, Matthew 17;14-21 for a start.

Somethings require the use of faith, used in everyday life as well as religion.

Muhammid was taken by evil to do its bidding, and you can see it's fruit.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at May 7, 2006 1:51 PM

Foehammer, "As much as the videotaped evidence sickens me, I might yet have to start posting links for the world to consume regularly so that we never forget what montrous acts are done in the name of "Allah.""

There should be an IslamicAtrocities website to serve as a permanent reminder of these horrendous acts in the name of Allah/Islam. Perhaps, a fitting tribute to Atwar Bahjat, Nick Berg and millions of others slaughtered by Islamofascists.

The stories must be told and the photos and videos must be viewed. We cannot turn away; we cannot hope it goes away. If we do, we lose. This will be a very long war against this form of terrorism because it has no boundaries; geographic or moral.

Posted by: LaMano at May 7, 2006 1:56 PM

The battle, such as it was, is over. You lost. The governing elites in the United States have made their decision. Between one and two million Muslims from the Middle East, Africa, and South Asia will be admitted to the United States each year. Many more will continue to enter illegally across the undefended borders.

Currently there are 1.2 mil legal immigrants from all over the world allowed into the US each year. So where are you getting the numbers of 1-2 mil for Muslims alone? Immigration reform has not passed in the Senate the only bill that passed is the House bill that emphasizes border control and makes illegal immigration a felony. That is the bill illegal immigrants have been prostesting against.The proposed Senate bill is very different from the House bill so the two bills would need to be reconciled in conference to arrive at a bill that the President could sign.So it is unclear what the final bill will look like. There is also the added complication of the recent illegal immigrant marches that have backfired and lead to calls for tougher border enforcement. Polling after the "May Day" marches shows that the American people are overwhelming calling for tougher border security first usually by percentages of 60% or more.People are tired of
immigration in general and illegal immigration in particular. This is also an election year so the issue is far from settled. I don't see how you can know what immigration "reform" will look like or say that the American people have lost.

Posted by: Roxane at May 7, 2006 2:05 PM

"No god I know will have his followers do this."

Au contraire: a pantheon of innumerable pagan polytheistic gods would have -- and did have -- followers do such things, for millennia, all over the globe among innumerable cultures, from the pre-Columbian Americas, to aboriginal Australia, to the pre-Taoist pre-Buddhist Far East, to Central Asia to pre-Christian barbarian Europe, Asia Minor and the Mediterranean, to darkest Africa.

Allah is one such polytheistic pagan god, but endowed with crucially distinct qualities:

1) ingeniously elevated to the status of an exclusive monotheistic God, so exclusive He even theologically swallows up His monotheistic competitors

2) an omnipotent tyrant dictating a totalitarian life

3) extending His field of pagan theomachy to the entire world

4) transforming the cosmos into an engine of eschatological dynamism, bypassing the existential state of History (which was invented by the Judaeo-Christian West) -- a dynamism placed directly into the hands of His servants (Muslims) who will not cease from this bloody labor (Jihad) until it has wrought the Eschaton (global dominion of Islam, blending into the Eternity of Paradise).

Posted by: Television at May 7, 2006 2:13 PM

... It is time to face reality and acknowledge that the United States will be an Islamic state and that Sharia will be the law of the land.

That's hard to argue with, Norseman. But you ducked a couple of tough questions on exactly how Moslems will earn their way to victory over America:

MO HIJABS MO TURKIC GUT FLABS MO BLOODLUSTY HILAL CABS MO MAGHRIBIC CRABS

1) Can the Moslems control their bloodlust?

As you say, the demographic-politico die has been cast, but what if --- as American Moslem Man pursues his inexorable path to victory over America, humping away at Islam’s fast-breed program, committing polygamy as police nod & wink, made into a super-breeder by all the free hump time, his virility kept strong by food stamps meals, lounging inside his Section 8 apartment, the used Sentra outside bank-rolled by the AFDC, his many dusky offspring cared for by the free MedicAID and educated by charter schools paid for by free public school system, and yes, while American victory seems inevitable for the arithmetically-enhanced Moslem Man.

… what if, imagine just what if, some skull cap-doffed Moslem activist bobbing in a rusty freighter somewhere off New Jersey launches a EMP bomb over the east cost?

Norseman, when the jihad EMP bomb makes the lights go out, will real Americans rise up to fight the darkness? Or will they, after all the excitement about the big blackout dies down, sit back and continue to watch the freaky breeding sideshow taking place right before their eyes?

2) Norsman, when all of Europe has fallen, and that will occur before America collapses, there will be an urgent reaction. When that happens, will a new leader emerge, rally the people to a 3rd party that will be swept into Congress to pass a law under Article III Section 2 that establshes … the supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make. and force an en masse expulsion of all Moslems from the USA?

Or, after Europe falls to Islam and changes from one tarnished name (EU) to another tarnished name (Islam), will America sit back and grumble as our corrupt judiciary lords over its demise?

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at May 7, 2006 2:16 PM

These men are deranged. I knew Saddam did horrifying atrocities and I knew muslims had a bloodlust for beheadings. This is beyond torture. I don't see hope for muslims. All I see are muslim children growing up and being just like these monsters. This is one story that needs to be on every headline in the world. And what they did to this poor woman needs to known, so we truly know how vile muslims are. And to think we have to share the same air. We have to share the same earth.

And to think...this is normal for these "people".

Posted by: freewoman at May 7, 2006 2:19 PM

allah is sin,amm,nanna.SATAN but he is not god.it's no wonder he chose a child rapist as his messenger.there i said it!!!!

Posted by: campingman1 at May 7, 2006 2:24 PM

And have you all noticed whose name is missing from this thread. Yep, its the Naseemtroll. I wonder why. Surely it couldn't be the 'shame' of seeing her religion cum death cult being exposed in this way.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at May 7, 2006 2:27 PM

I am right in thinking that muslims do not believe allah created the universe, yes? I assume this as they take such pleasure in destroying Gods creation.

Posted by: DaveMate at May 7, 2006 2:30 PM

Allah obviously is satan, these people have been played. We must try and help them understand this as we would with any person drawn into a cult.

Posted by: DaveMate at May 7, 2006 2:36 PM

allah is sin,amm,nanna.SATAN but he is not god.it's no wonder he chose a child rapist as his messenger.there i said it!

i am not scared of islam...i follow the one true god.just as david slew golith.israel will soon destroy the demon god allah!

Posted by: campingman1 at May 7, 2006 2:39 PM

This type of macho thuggery is typical of people without values.

I suppose Islam might be considered a somewhat appealing solution if you lived in a Mad Max post-apocalyptic wasteland, where barbarism is going on all around you.

Actually, that's how Islam was born, wasn't it? Basically, Mohammed was living in some 7th-century desert wasteland, where barbarism was prevalent all around. So he came up with some "words from God" to somewhat marginally improve things towards semi-barbarism. But basically, it's still barbarism, with a cloth thrown over it. Instead of having wolves eat your entrails while you're alive, they'll cut them out for you with a knife. How much more civilized.

Posted by: sanman at May 7, 2006 2:52 PM

These things are terrible but what is even more so is unlike a murderer in our societies this man will go to sleep and wake up next morning to pray again to the Demonic Allah with NOTHING ON HIS CONSCIENCE AND NO FEELING OF REMORSE, ready for another man or wowan or child to kill in the name of the evil Islamic cult.

Islam MUST be exposed and destroyed.

Awareness is the key.

Posted by: CHINUBHAI at May 7, 2006 3:07 PM

It is always the innocent who suffer. If we only cry -war!- and -revenge!- now, that is whats is going to happen. Maybe it is unavoidable but we should try every other means to fight islam. Drive your car as little as possible would be one way, buy a bike or a car that doesn't use gasoline or diesel. Gain knowledge about what islam is. Make sure to tell your local newspaper when they are lying to you. Don't forgett that the west has fantastic values to defend.

Posted by: Marvin at May 7, 2006 3:17 PM

Marvin: "It is always the innocent who suffer. If we only cry -war!- and -revenge!- now, that is whats is going to happen."

What we are screaming is STOP MUSLIM IMMIGRATION TO THE WEST!!! THAT is the only way to prevent innocents from suffering - on BOTH sides.

Posted by: Caroline at May 7, 2006 3:47 PM

This is insane.

I know many of us in the West like to chalk these kinds of things up to insanity, but I strongly disagree with using this kind of language in connection with these people. Insanity connotes a lesser degree of responsibility or culpability for the actions taken, or suggests that their actions are driven by some kind of organic mental pathology. I don't think this is true at all - and "insane" gives a built-in excuse.

What they do is not the result of insanity, in my belief, although I'm sure there are mentally ill individuals among them. They are evil, depraved, blood-thirsty and barbaric. They are indoctrinated to believe that all non-muslims are subhuman, and that to kill and to die are the greatest achievements during their time on earth. It's repugnant, vile and wicked - and should be called such.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 7, 2006 3:50 PM

Spirit:

"And have you all noticed whose name is missing from this thread. Yep, its the Naseemtroll. I wonder why."

Seems Naseem got in over her head in yesterday's post on the Iraqi celebration over the British helicopter crash. Eisenhund really let her have it (kudos Eisenhund!) Hugh had to step in.

Still, it is very curious indeed. And this post has been up for more than 8 hours.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 7, 2006 3:53 PM

IrishEi,
"I am curious if anyone else has considered the very real possibility that Muhammad was in fact suffering from some sort of organic brain disease." The answer is Temporal Lobe Epilepsy, that is what Mohammad probably suffered from. That was HIS excuse, the people who did this Have no excuse.
CRUSADER18@YouTube

Posted by: WIDEAWAKE at May 7, 2006 3:57 PM

Marvin and Caroline, I agree with you both. There are so many ways to stop the jihad. One can be a pacifist, and still join the movement to stop the jihad. Maybe especially if one is a pacifist.

Posted by: special_guest at May 7, 2006 3:59 PM

To all who questioned the description of Allah as God: Allah is indeed to be understood as God, in the sense in which God can be defined across religions - that is the supreme being, the spiritual power that dominates the world, and the seat of cosmic order and morality. The difference between religions is exactly how God is defined, described, and indeed experienced. Hindus (who angrily reject the description of polytheists) believe that the Bhagavan, the Ishvara, is the Self of the world, the underlying unity of every individual Self, manifest in thousands of spiritual and material forms and incarnations behind which lies the ultimate unity to which all Selves, once Liberated, must ultimately come. Most Hindus do not believe in Creation, but hold that the Universe has always existed, being ultmately a manifestation of the Self-Existent. Jews, on the other hand, believe that God is superior to the world, which is not so much His manifestation as His creation, and the place where His power becomes manifest through history; they believe that the world has a beginning, and, presumably, an end. Christians hold that God has three Persons which are, however, one Unity, to do with the way that God manifests Himself and acts: the Father to create the world and be the inherent seat of all that is good, the Son to enter into and redeem the world, and the Spirit to be present immanently in the world, and specifically in the Church. There are many other doctrines of God. That of God as a military leader is peculiar to Islam (even the Odhinn of the Norsemen, who drove war and wanted his followers to die either speared or hanged, was not equivalent to the Supreme God, as the ancient texts make clear) and is without doubt the vilest. Let us, therefore, face each other, and let truth prevail.

Posted by: Paolo at May 7, 2006 4:08 PM

I haven't read the full Times article, and I won't. I've read too many similar descriptions, seen too many videos. This is depravity, this is insanity. But the Islamic nations need to begin to recognize that themselves. We cannot forcibly implant our values into their brains. We cannot force them at gunpoint to treat each other with respect.

We do need to look at what is actually going on there, and be honest about it, and educate ourselves about the reality of Islam, not the "Religion of Peace" fairytale. Personally, I've had enough education for one lifetime.

Posted by: special_guest at May 7, 2006 4:08 PM

there is no value for pacifist, as there very existence relies on the work of others to keep their surroundings safe, rule of law etc.l have nothing against pacifists, but they only embolden the enemy.
It would be very difficult to stop all immigration into
Western countries with this PC environment. no, the only way we can keep people informed is having soldiers in iraq,afganistan, the muslims we be fighting and killing each other, until a sane one starts a Democracy. most muslims will keep fighting, but by doing this we in the West can expose islam for what is is, a death cult, just from this poor reporter lady's death. keep the muslims fighting with each other, and when they attack us, we will flatten iran and syria to start with, tell them to form a democratic country, and if they dont, bomb them again, till they listen to the US.

Posted by: Lulu at May 7, 2006 4:15 PM

When the US Army occupied Korea at the end of World War II, it burned every Japanese Shinto Shrine in that country - to the ground. Now, that was clarity.

Our biggest mistake in Iraq and Afghanistan is not carrying out a policy of de-Islamification. My wife watched Judgement at Nuremberg yesterday and all she could think about was why we aren't doing this in Iraq and Afghanistan. Every mullah who preaches Jihad, every political leader who teaches Jihad, should be put on military trial and quickly executed or imprisoned. If we let the mullahs maintain their power, then we really be in a quagmire. We have to throw political correctness to the wind because radical Islam is killing thousands of innocent people throughout the world.

-Michael McCullough
Stingray:  a blog for salty Christians

Posted by: Michael McCullough at May 7, 2006 4:16 PM

my last post, l mispelled.. l should of said" the muslims will be fighting and killing each other,"

Posted by: Lulu at May 7, 2006 4:18 PM

Requiem for Atwar Bahjat

You were an attractive woman,
you were an intelligent woman,
you were a successful woman,
and to them, you were worthless
except as a warning to others.

Your muslim brothers only followed
the prophet’s way of terror and fear,
they followed the book with few deviations. .
They are soldiers of allah,
These soldiers of allah hated and feared you,
their muslim sister, for you were immodest,
consorted with married and unmarried men,
you traveled without an escort,
you spoke and all the world listened.
You brought fitna, too much chaos,
you had too much power.
Your torture and death was a warning.

We grieve for your suffering,
we pray for your family,
we pray that your death
opens the eyes of many.

Posted by: the poetess at May 7, 2006 4:19 PM

Just a thought...
Remember the worldwide outrage over American soldiers putting ladies' panties on the heads of prisoners at Abu Ghraib? On a scale of 1 to 10, how does that compare to the vicious murder of Atwar Bahjat? Yet the MSM's silence is deafening.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 7, 2006 4:19 PM

Wideawake,
I agree. It just amazes me that hundreds of millions still follow this cult in spite of all the evidence of its lunacy.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 7, 2006 4:29 PM

Islam is the antithesis of all other religions and cultures which means that over the long run the followers of Islam will never be able to live peaceable with others. We are indeed in a fight for survival and since it will be difficult to impossible to kill all the muslims, conversion is the only realistic possibility.

Posted by: czekmark` at May 7, 2006 4:30 PM

A massive ideological mechanism of plausible deniability is in place, to absolve Islam of these kinds of atrocities by surgically detaching them as instances of "extremism" from Islam.

This massively influential ideological mechanism is largely homegrown in the West, and it is still not showing signs of being dethroned from Western governments, academe, news media, and even from the consensus of the popular culture.

Posted by: Television at May 7, 2006 4:33 PM

I see a certain "paradox" here. The more "Christlike" a Christian is the higher level person he is. The more "Mohammadlike" a Muslim is the lower level person he is. So I quess we should all want Christians to be good Christians and Muslims to be poor Muslims.

Posted by: FeralCat at May 7, 2006 4:36 PM

special_guest: "One can be a pacifist, and still join the movement to stop the jihad. Maybe especially if one is a pacifist."

Lulu: "there is no value for pacifist, as there very existence relies on the work of others to keep their surroundings safe, rule of law etc.l have nothing against pacifists, but they only embolden the enemy."

Lulu - I must side with special_guest on this point. I think pacifists most definitely CAN be recruited to the cause of stopping the advance of jihad. There is a difference between political correctness and pacifism. PC involves turning a blind eye to reality. Pacifism does not necessarily imply that. Once a true pacifist - someone who abhors violence - is able to grasp the mandate for violence contained within Islam itself, they may well become so horrified by the psospects for the future that they are able to grasp that stopping Muslim immigration is the surest route to preventing bloodshed. Admittedly pacifism and PC do tend to coincide in certain persons but this isn't necessarily so. When PC/pacifist friends of mine have tried to call me a bigot or a nazi or whatever for criticizing Islam, I explain to them - very well then - but realize that your denial means the blood will be on YOUR hands! I think a true pacifist (if they can be separated from PC) can be made to see this.

Posted by: Caroline at May 7, 2006 4:47 PM

Allah is Satan.

These Mujahadeen monsters think that by doing these things they will terrorize us into submission.
At least that is what they hope.
All it accomplishes with me is that I get very, very angry and more determined to see the end of Islam.

What they don't understand is that by showing the depravity and absolutely demonic nature of their cult Islam, they are ensuring Islam's certain destruction.
They and people like Zarquawi and Osama bin Laden will ultimately be remembered as the people who ensured Islam's end.
Perhaps these people will be remembered as the West's greatest assets in this struggle.
If Osama and Co. hadn't jumped the gun and simply let demograhics do their thing wthe West would have died in it's sleep.
We must thank them for letting the cat out of the bag early .

People everywhere (except seemingly our leaders and "elites")are rapidly coming to associate Islam with absolute evil.

It is amazing that the West's leaders and "elites" are betraying civilization by allowing this execrable cult Islam into our midst.
It is as if demons have possessed most of our leaders to carry out Satan's plan.
Shades of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers".

Posted by: Mike_W at May 7, 2006 4:48 PM

Caroline,
Point taken. Christians are taught to turn the other cheek, yet still adhere to the "Just War" tradition which developed as a result of the barbarian invasions.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 7, 2006 5:03 PM

"People everywhere (except seemingly our leaders and "elites")are rapidly coming to associate Islam with absolute evil."

Go out and engage 50 random Americans to get their response to a simple question: Is Islam causing the atrocities in the news? -- [fill in the blanks with beheadings, suicide bombings, honor killings, mass-murder & rapes in Sudan, etc.]

I bet you that the majority of your sample will say "No" -- and when pressed to elaborate, will trot out some complicated theories for detaching Islam from all these atrocities.

Posted by: Television at May 7, 2006 5:03 PM

I've followed links today and seen pictures and videos and more pictures and more videos and I'm now sitting here shaking and I'm not ashamed to confess very near to tears. It's one thing knowing that these things happen in theory but to see things displayed in full colour on your monitor and to hear sounds as well in many cases is just oh words fail me.

I thought to myself 'I am an adult, I can take it and I've got to see what this is all about'. Dear God, I now wish that I hadn't. I don't think that I will ever get some of the images out of my head no matter how long I live for.

We have to stop this deranged ideology but how?

Islam is a religion. Never again after what I've seen today will I believe that, never, never, never, never, never. It is brutal murderous cult that must be stopped.

I agree with one of the other posters here that there should be a central website where all these pictures and videos are gathered (maybe with suitable commentary provided by us) where we can send those who doubt us. I'd do it myself if I knew how but I'm willing to help anyone who does know how.

There are no words in English to describe the type of shock I feel at the moment. I'm going for a cup of tea. Back later.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at May 7, 2006 5:04 PM

sorry paolo,but you are a little wrong there are two books.the book i love to read teachs love,kindness and mercy.the other teachs hate,murder and rape.there is no way they are books of the same god.one is god,one is a demon wana be!!!!

Posted by: campingman1 at May 7, 2006 5:26 PM

Despite all the horrors of this killing cult called Islam, I do take confort in the fact that up to six million Africans are leaving Islam for Christianity. This good news is sealing the fate of Islam as a cult that is making its way OUT.

http://americanthinker.com/comments.php?comments_id=5044

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at May 7, 2006 5:26 PM

arjun sevak:

Thank you for your enlightening explanations. Please publicize these terrible atrocities to all public officials in the US.

All Americans:

Send this article to your senators and Congress reps--by fax or surface mail--with your opinion of what to do: justice, execution, immigration slam-down. It would be better if you targeted your issue but good for as many to let the politicos know (and their staffers will be reading your message) that many of your friends and acquaintances in the US know full well what is going on with Islam and are horrified and angry and have had enough. Those in Washington tend not to heed unless they are screamed at by the populace, and sometimes not even then. But votes still count. Send Robert Spencer's book too (Politically Incorrect...). Someone needs to push a public opinion campaign and flood Washington with our opinions. This tactic can, does, has had influence.

***

I personally am appalled by the depth and breadth of this depravity. I am so sorry that Atwar Bahjat died in this way. All of the people complicit in this must be brought to justice, and the leaders who have condoned this replaced and removed from power.

Posted by: HaMalach at May 7, 2006 5:26 PM

Atwar Bahjat may have been a moslem in life but I am going to pray for the repose of her soul because no-one deserves to die like that no matter who or what they are.

At least once a week we pray for all the troopers in Afghanistan and Iraq this week, just this once, I will add prayers for Atwar Bahjat and the others who have been murdered by the islamists in like fashion.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at May 7, 2006 5:34 PM

Atwar Bahjat

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WORLD/meast/02/23/journalists.killed/vert.bahjat.jpg

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 7, 2006 6:05 PM

1. Allah is Satan.

2 Our biggest mistake in Iraq & Afghanistan is not enforcing de-islamification.(great post!)

Every murderer wearing a balaclava knows that he is a murderer. Shouting Álla-bubu-snackbar´doesn´t change a thing.

If you fight a war you fight to win. You win by destroying the enemy. If Bush doesn´t intend to destroy the enemy he will assist the enemy to destroy us.

Read Jihad Watch, Mr. President. Do your job. NOW!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 7, 2006 6:19 PM

Dominic - I found your post rather moving. I have always suffered from an over active imagination, especially for things like torture. I can have bouts of insomnia in the middle of the night in which I am seized by anxiety (often after a nightmare) and just cannot get certain images out of mind. This was going on long before the iraq war and long before I knew anything about islam. In fact, this was probably the major reason I supported the war in Iraq because when I thought of Saddam Hussein it conjured forth all those horrors. But I knew nothing about islam when we went in there. Islam - the biggest and best kept secret practically in human history. Now that I know I can connect all the dots. I don't know what to do now about iraq. I see little difference between Saddam Hussein and the current depravity of this rampant torture/murder. The two are not unrelated. Islam is the link. Many have commented that you get the leaders you deserve.

Now when I have those bouts of insomnia and am seized by anxiety in the middle of the night, I feel something different that I didn't feel before. I sense the presence of evil. It's not my over-active imagination anymore. The evil is real. In desperation I (who hadn't attended mass in 25 years) started saying The Lord's Prayer. That one line - "and deliver us from evil" - seemed to do the trick and made it possible for me to get back to sleep. Recently, I started attending mass again.

Campingman1 has posted here several times that Islam is satanic. I have to agree. Because if islam isn't Satanic then what is? Psychiatry is insufficent to deal with 1400 long years of Islam's depravity - the murder, the torture, the triumphant cries of "Allah Akhbar" accompanying it all. As others have pointed out, cults have come and gone. None have had this resistance, none have caused this much human suffering. None have literally reveled so joyfully in this much suffering.

Noone has a problem recognizing that Charles Manson was an evil psychopath but he was one man with a tiny handful of followers. Islam is colossal. It's the sheer size of it and the longevity of it that is unique. Again, if Islam isn't Satanic then what is? If it isn't satanic then what possible meaning could the word have?

Posted by: Caroline at May 7, 2006 6:29 PM

Cowardly lunatic scum who should be shot on sight like hydrophobic dogs.

(With apologies to the latter.)

They need no further consideration, -their diseased behavior demands their elimination from the species.

Fast.

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 7, 2006 6:39 PM

In a fit of morbid curiousity watched one of these beheading videos some time ago and still feel so angry at the people who could treat a fellow human being the way they did.

Here in New Zealand on the TV news you can see video of an IED exploding next to American soldiers and blowing them to bits or bloodied bodies of terrorists, women and kids killed by Americans, but they never ever show the videos of the deaths of people like Atwar Bahjat. The reluctance to name the enemy is even more frightening than the cowardly acts of barbarity that they commit.

Posted by: brian_smaller at May 7, 2006 6:42 PM

I'm surprised that, to my knowledge, none of the great and even lesser Christian theologians (monks, priests, university professors, philosophers, Popes) during that long millennium (7th century A.D. to the 17th century) of the most unpleasant acquaintence of a Christian civilization (Christendom) with the scourge of Islam did not write major treatises that boldly and unequivocally identified Allah with Satan. Even for a post-Christian agnostic such as myself, the connection seems most logical.

Posted by: Television at May 7, 2006 6:43 PM

Killing a defenceless human being in this manner is essentailly a blood sacrfice to allah - this is the way goats are slaughtered by muslims on theor festival days.

Human blood sacrifice was obvious from the time when poor Daniel Pearl was sacrificed to islam's loveless and blood thirsty god. It should have become blindingly obvious when Van Gogh was decapitated on the streets of Amsterdam.

It is pointless for muslims to claim that this is just a minority of muslims or they are not muslims who do this. This minority is too big, and its theological claims too strong, to be dismissed as an abberation.

Posted by: DP111 at May 7, 2006 6:44 PM

Correction: "...that, to my knowledge, none of the ...Christian theologians ... wrote major treatises..."

Posted by: Television at May 7, 2006 6:45 PM

Television: "Even for a post-Christian agnostic such as myself, the connection seems most logical."

TV - maybe if that connection makes sense to you then you, like me, aren't as much as a "post-Christian agnostic" as you had imagined?

Posted by: Caroline at May 7, 2006 6:54 PM

Television,
Many did, including Pope Urban II who called for the first Crusade (1090?) and told Christians they were to "...destroy that vile race from the lands..."

Posted by: IrishEi at May 7, 2006 6:55 PM

There may be a god, but it's not one any of us knows anything about. Christianity and Islam are based on fairy tales. There is not one shred of proof to substantiate any of it. Yet we are on a collision course to destroy civilization. Why? It's called faith and it's an invention of mankind which will eventually destroy us. So, Christians and Muslims and Hindis, bend over and kiss all your asses goodbye. You died believing in virgin birth, angels, paradise, and that Mohammed's horse ascended into heaven. How stupid are we?

Posted by: zeeman at May 7, 2006 7:28 PM

Zeeman,

I've always felt that those who have no faith or who deny God's existence are brave souls. To wit, Pascal’s Wager:

Pascal said one can either commit to God or not. Since it is a wager, there are two possible bets you can make, with four possible outcomes:

1) bet God exists and win (reward: eternal life)
2) bet God exists and lose (loss: very little)
3) bet God does not exist and win (push)
4) bet God does not exist and lose (loss of eternal life)

I know where I'm putting my money!

Posted by: IrishEi at May 7, 2006 7:47 PM

I was moved enough by this woman's murder this morning to create this today.

http://www.foehammer.net/2006/05/war-poster-islam-is-enemy.html

I hope it is just a first step in a real movement towards war with Islam. I am not going to mince words: we either fight these cultist barbarians or
we deserve our fate.

No sane person welcomes war, but I would rather die than find out one day that anyone in my own family has died in the same fashion that Atwar Bahjat had to suffer through. I see no other way to curtail this future than to stop this politically correct charade once and for all.

I have dropped the gauntlet.

Posted by: Foehammer at May 7, 2006 7:51 PM

I don’t know if this from Aljazeera. clarifies what if fact did happened. Here is portions of their news report;

Journalists killed in Iraq attack

Thursday 23 February 2006, 21:15 Makka Time, 18:15 GMT

The bodies of three Iraqi journalists, including a well-known correspondent for Al-Arabiya television, have been found near Samarra, police and the Arabic network said.

Al-Arabiya's Atwar Bahjat and two colleagues from the local Wassan media company, engineer Adnan Khairullah and cameraman Khalid Mahmoud, were in the city to cover the bombing on Wednesday of a revered Shia shrine.

Their employers lost contact with them on Wednesday night.

Their bullet-riddled bodies were found on Thursday morning near their vehicle, cameras and satellite dish on the outskirts of the city, 95km north of Baghdad, police Captain Laith Muhammad said.

The three journalists had been reporting live on Wednesday from the edge of Samarra, which was sealed off by security forces after the early morning explosion at the Askariya shrine, also known as the Golden Mosque.

Bahjat's last broadcast was at 6pm (1500 GMT), Al-Arabiya said.

The team was preparing to return to Kirkuk when two gunmen pulled up in pickup truck, shooting in the air and shouting: "We want the correspondent," according to a cameraman who evaded capture, Al-Arabiya reported.

The three were taken away, and their bodies were found about 10km northeast of Samarra, police and Al-Arabiya said.

A total of 82 journalists and media assistants have been killed since the start of the Iraq war in March 2003, including seven this year, according to a Reporters Without Borders Count.

Bahjat, who left Aljazeera in December to join Al-Arabiya, was the seventh woman journalist killed.

It could be they altered the story to eliminate the true facts.

Posted by: THSIMJ at May 7, 2006 8:02 PM

Do I need to find the video to prove that Al-Jazeera is reporting selectively? I haven't had my dinner yet, but I will if I must.

Of course Al-Jazeera is eliminating key facts. They are just a mouthpiece for the jihad.

Posted by: Foehammer at May 7, 2006 8:17 PM

Caroline, Dominic

Asma bint Marwan, Atwar Bahjat, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan... And little, innocent Aisha, the one upon whose body and life an Empire was built.

There's a new language I'm forced to learn these days, as if English and French and Italian and my own Romance dialect were not enough, as if suffering in all those languages as well as in Slavic was not hard and significant enough,

and I have to learn this new language to prove I've been here, I've seen this umittigated horror, and heard it in sounds both rough, like a tobacco and bourbon-laden old gheezer, and tender, like a Cole Porter swing, both intimate and distant, with both wide, sky-high vowels, especially A's, and lashing, short-stopped, punishing consonants.

And it all bears the name Woman.

Posted by: ovidius_naso at May 7, 2006 8:20 PM

The ancient words of all the books instruct their followers to kill the non-believers.
Posted by: Crude one at May 7, 2006 12:58 PM
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Crude One, your distate of relegion shows. Please read the New Testament and realize that you statement is blatantly wrong, but we all make mistakes.

As a Christian, I have not been instructed by God and Christ to kill the non-believers but to present the word of God to them.

mos have been instructed by the filth of their teachings to convert or kill the non-belivers.

There is a great chasm of difference between islam and the other relegions of the world.

Posted by: Texican at May 7, 2006 8:25 PM

I posted Robert Spencer's comments along with the link to the news story on the Politics forum at craigslist -- an increasingly popular website for public discussion (they've been featured in Time magazine among other places). Here are the responses: not one mention of Islam or Muslims, and mostly (when they rise above uncouth incoherence) PC equivalence laced with anti-American innuendos:

fundimentalists suck. § 05/07 16:23:35

-- nuff said. § 05/07 16:24:19

Fundamentalists really suck. § 05/07 16:24:19

-- lol § 05/07 16:25:08

Fundamentalists, by definition, must be killed 05/07 16:27:25

Like all other vermin.

-- Try Lamisil® Now! § 05/07 16:28:32

A little subtler than that. 05/07 16:31:08

It *is* possible to be a fundamentalist and non-violent, and/or believe that it's wrong to impose your religious dogma on others by force.

I think what's wrong with these people is a bit subtler than that.

There are also people who are not particularly religious (muslim or Xtian or what) and yet who are murderous in the extreme.

I'd call it violent extremism, rather than fundamentalism.

-- Sorry, let me amend that. 05/07 16:37:26

Fundamentalists who resort to violence.

Non-violent fundamentalists can just be ignored.

Islamist version of Bushsheep. § 05/07 16:27:27

My god is bigger than his 05/07 16:30:12

Luckily we have clear bright thinkers leading us:
I knew that my God was bigger than his," Lieutenant General William G. Boykin said of his Muslim opponent. "I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol."

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2003/10/21/warring_with_god/

-- and not even an American Idol, at that. § 05/07 16:30:47

-- Sounds like any good Crusader. § 05/07 16:36:03

this seems basically inflamatory. 05/07 16:31:46

Certainly I do not condone sesneless killing, which is why I am so opposed to Bush and his needless war in Iraq. It may be easier to stomach when we are at a distance, but the fact remains that we have killed tens of thousands of innocent people, all because they happen to live over top of oil resources we covet.

-- Similarities, yes, but they are not comparable § 05/07 16:42:45

How do the mujihadin figure into the article? § 05/07 16:35:12

Seperation Of Church And State 05/07 16:35:35

it's not just a good idea, IT'S THE LAW !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'm telling you guys at JW: we are still a small minority.

Posted by: Television at May 7, 2006 8:30 PM

This is just one of countless innocents across our world that the followers of the filth of islam have committed vile and murderous actions against. The vileness of these actions by the muslims have touched many souls across our world.

Our souls cry out and mourn for these innocents. We pray to God for the strength to see us through this time and to convince the leaders of the free world and President Bush that we are in a war for our ultimate survival with islam.

God bless America and the free nations of the world and protect and save the subjugated of the world. By the grace of God we will defeat the vileness that is islam.

The Texican.

Posted by: Texican at May 7, 2006 8:35 PM

PRESIDENT BUSH,

AMERICA IS LIVID WITH ANGER AND READY TO WAGE WAR ON THOSE THAT COMMIT SUCH VILENESS.

ARE YOU???

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.

Posted by: Texican at May 7, 2006 8:37 PM

Television:

You just gave me a great idea for where to post. I'll stir up those morons like an ant hill.

Posted by: Foehammer at May 7, 2006 8:39 PM

IrishEi,

That is not an argument, only a positioning. That is what faith is...an endeavor to put the supposed immortal soul in the best position to attain eternal life and salvation. There is no evidence to support either of those outcomes. They are human inventions created to deny that we are mortal and the spirit is finite.

If Pascal's wager carries any weight, then we can blame him as well as faith for the end of civilization.

In the meantime, Ahmadinijabad continues to make his holy nuclear bombs in the belief he carries out god's will. You continue to think you have the best religion. You are both idiots.

Posted by: zeeman at May 7, 2006 8:43 PM

Foehammer, good luck: you might get swarmed by minions.

Posted by: Television at May 7, 2006 8:43 PM

Television:

I'm banking on it.

Posted by: Foehammer at May 7, 2006 8:48 PM

zeeman:

Believe what you will, but I am sure that I am more than flesh and bone. And believe me, I have been called many things in my life, but idiot, stupid and ignorant are not among them.

I'll trust I'm in good company with the likes of Einstein and Newton when it comes to a belief in God.

Posted by: Foehammer at May 7, 2006 8:50 PM

zeeman,

I'm not sure, but I believe your circuitous post has simply restated my own argument. I guess that's what happens when you have nothing of substance to add.

As for me, my wager still stands. In fact, I'll double it.

I still admire your bravery.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 7, 2006 9:02 PM

Besides, among other