Blah,blah,blah.....we,re gunna be this.gunna be that...

Posted by: patriot4 at May 7, 2006 9:10 PM

Give them war. It's what they want, it's what we need. I can not go on another 10 years talking to these animals.

Posted by: Foehammer at May 7, 2006 9:10 PM

Obviously he intends to provide electricity to neighboring states. Not really.

I'm amazed Israel hasn't already attacked. I fear victory has Israeli leaders assuming past performance guarantees future results.

Posted by: Beagle at May 7, 2006 9:16 PM

again i stress,they belive the hidden imam will lead them to glory.it doesn't matter that you think this is nosense or a stupid idea....because they belive it the world is in danger...

Posted by: campingman1 at May 7, 2006 9:23 PM

Israel, oh Israel, are you listening.

Violent and sudden extermination is Israels, unless Israel takes swift and permanent action.

Do not depend on the UN and the USA for they will do nothing until Israel is destroyed and then it will be to late.

Israel your survival is solely in your hands.

Americans are with you, but our government is cowered by PCness to our shame.

God bless Israel and see Israel through this war.

The Texican.

Posted by: Texican at May 7, 2006 9:25 PM

i agree texican..god bless israel...but then..he already did..no man can harm israel against god's wish's...sorry iran....there will be chaos and loss of life...but you will never win....

Posted by: campingman1 at May 7, 2006 9:33 PM

Would they (iran)really be stupid enough to use or supply nukes to morons?

Posted by: Berf at May 7, 2006 9:51 PM

Unrestrained bravado from a 5 foot 2 inch overcompensating meglomaniacal puppet of the Iranian Supreme Council.

Posted by: Xero G at May 7, 2006 9:51 PM

This guy is a KOOK.We gotta pull the plug on this Bozo.I doubt even Hitler was this nutty...

Posted by: anonamustafa at May 7, 2006 9:53 PM

didn't france have a short man.....thats important because?

Posted by: campingman1 at May 7, 2006 10:04 PM

Even Noam Chomsky would have to admit that a nation does not become an "unrivalled power" by producing electricity. The Iranian leaders make it abundantly clear that they are talking about megatons, not megawatts. If one is too brain dead to realize that, then our only comfort is that social Darwinism will soon purge the gene pool of the carriers of the memes that cause such willful blindness.

I don't remember when I first posted to the JW/DW comments but from the beginning I have asserted my belief that we are headed for the most horrific global conflagration in history, one that will exceed in its scope and scale any that has ever been witnessed, including the war of 1939-45. Lucky us.

Woe to our generation that has allowed the jinn of jihad to escape from the bottle to which our ancestors confined it with their cannons for more than a thousand years. Woe to us, but the magnitude of our victory will hopefully be such that we will be able to atone for our neglect by blotting out the disease of the perpetually bellicose Islamic ideology forever.

Posted by: Hulegu Khan at May 7, 2006 10:13 PM

from the jerusalem post......president hugo Chavez said Venezuela would take further steps to increase revenues from its petroleum industry, including a new tax on companies that extract oil in the South American nation.

Chavez, who made the announcement Sunday during his weekly television and radio program, said the measure would create US$1 billion (€800 million) in new revenue. He said details of the new tax would be revealed in coming days.

Venezuelan Oil Minister Rafael Ramirez said the government was considering a 33.3 percent extraction tax. Oil companies would be able to subtract from tax bills whatever they pay the government in royalties, he told Union Radio.

like i said iran and hugo

Posted by: campingman1 at May 7, 2006 10:14 PM

Would they (iran)really be stupid enough to use or supply nukes to morons?
Posted by: Berf at May 7, 2006 09:51 PM
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YES............

Relegious madness knows no bounds...

Posted by: Texican at May 7, 2006 10:37 PM

A little OT, but relevant since we are talking about Iran.

I ran across this while reading the Detroit News (hey, the Pistons beat the crap out of the Cavs :-) ):

Peace prize winner speaks in Dearborn: Shirin Ebadi urges U.S. restraint in dealings with Iran
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060507/METRO/605070330

and her speech:

Translation of Shirin Ebadi's Dearborn speechhttp://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060507/METRO/605070304

What do you make of this? I say she hasn't read her Qur'an very well.

Posted by: BG at May 7, 2006 10:51 PM

People who go around talking like this guy normally are very ill( although I do wonder if he hears the voice of Gabriel also???)

They either have a major psychiatric disorder or tertiary syphilis. However as most Muslims are scared stiff of women then we have to guess that it was off a lavatory seat.

As well they may finish up with some title, i.e., as the world's biggest hot crater and that is without any western/israeli involvement.

Just think about it!!

They can barely make ammunition for their weapons. Every bomb made is via western chemicals and western recipes. Their missiles are 3rd hand soviet ones modified by NK and then the iranians and with the usual expected Muslim competence(that is when they do NOT have western advisers overwatching) will be lucky to rise off the ground.

If they show the same Muslim competence that is shown elsewhere then we may have to get Hanoi Jane out of retirement(always preferred her in Barbarella:)) for the Persian version of The China Syndrome(or will it be the Costa Rica Sydrome???)

Even if they win they will kill themselves and destroy the world utterly.

"Sir!! The cooling plant has broken down and meltdown is possible. What shall we do?"

"My child we do Nothing. It is the will of Allah".

Posted by: Zathras at May 7, 2006 11:05 PM

I don't believe Israel can do this alone, Texican. I think they have been worn out from this conflict over the years. Dayan and Meir are dead. Is there anyone there of their mettle?

I try to take comfort from the David and Goliath story,,but it is hard. Miracles are needed and are in short supply right now.

Israel cannot save the world and the world will not save Israel.

The whole area is a tinderbox with thug-in-chief holding the matches.

Foehammer: Liked your site and sent it on. I agree, can't take another 10 years of this. Have we got that long?

Slightly OT: the murder of that poor Iraqi journalist has thankfully made Oz newspapers but no tv news.
I think these creeps have reached an all time record of dehumanization. They no longer deserve the name "human being".This left me aghast and moritified.

I have friends who are holocaust survivors and they agree these creeps are far worse than the nazi's if that is possible.

Who would have thought that oil would dictate the future?

Posted by: Gramfan at May 7, 2006 11:10 PM

if we do not learn from history we are doomed.i am sad because so many voices from the past cry out wake up see evil at the door.but like so many in the past we slam the door.evil go away i refuse to see your face.we are doomed to relive the past,hello again i know your face,evil my old friend.

Posted by: campingman1 at May 7, 2006 11:26 PM

Gramfan:

Thanks. Keep spreading the truth.

Posted by: Foehammer at May 7, 2006 11:45 PM

Foehammer: A pleasure to help! I am doing as much as I can.

I think my friends think I am mad,lol!

I post here, and write to newspapers and politicians.

I am beginning to think all this negativity is bad for my health but I am not going to sit here and do nothing.That would make me even sicker!!

Posted by: Gramfan at May 7, 2006 11:52 PM

"Peace prize winner speaks in Dearborn: Shirin Ebadi urges U.S. restraint in dealings with Iran..."
- from a posting above

From the article in the Detroit News about Ebadi's speech:

"Ebadi also defended Islam against criticism that the religion encourages terrorism.

'Islam is a religion of peace with much in common with Christianity and Judaism, and those who speak of a clash of civilizations are wrong,' she said. 'Islam is not a religion of violence and terror.'

'Islam, Christianity and Judaism share the same basic roots, and there is no dispute between them," she said. "Do not listen or believe the mistaken theory of past civilizations. This only justifies war. And no one wins in war.'

Her speech was introduced by Houda Amin, a member of the Islamic Center of America."

This is, of course, nonsense. But she has been guilty of similar nonsense again and again -- especially in her atrocious Nobel Prize acceptance speech. Shirin Ebadi is an apologist for Islam even as she is an opponent of the Islamic Republic of Iran. She is brave, as an opponent, and her major concern has been the mistreatment of women and children. Good, but not enough, and no one should confuse that bravery, about those carefully-defined issues, as entitling her to mislead unwary Infidels about the nature of Islam.

Real reformers, that is those who know that th main problem of Islam is not to be solved by helping, here and there, women, but only by addressing the whole belief-system of Islam, based as it is on a denigration or dismisal of the Individual, and on a complete division, and above all by recognizing openly, in order to constrain, that which Islam counsels and indeed imopses as a duty on Believes: permanent and uncompromising hstility toward Infidels, in a world seen as permanently divided between Believers and Infidels until the ultimate and complete triumph of Islam, so that it dominates everywhere, and Muslims rule.

Sherin Ebadi is not a guide to this, but one more of those too-easily awarded a label -- "moderate" -- that she does not, objectively, deserve. She is a danger, a danger precisely because of her bravery in the face of threats from the Islamic Republic, confuse Infidels and make them more likely to accept her other, less brave, and misleading, message about Islam.

For more on Sherin Ebadi, consult some of the trustworthy websites run by Iranians, such as that named in honor of Dr. Homa Darabi. (Link at left).

When it comes to Islam and the true (not phony, self-aggandizing, or confused, or essentially apologetic) reformers, accept no substitutes.

Posted by: Hugh at May 8, 2006 12:04 AM

I don't believe Israel can do this alone, Texican. I think they have been worn out from this conflict over the years.
Israel cannot save the world and the world will not save Israel.
Posted by: Gramfan at May 7, 2006 11:10 PM
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Israel has the power and has no choice, but to fight for Israel's salvation.

Our American government continues to show that PCness has destroyed our government's willingness to wage war against the islamic vileness that would shame the Nazis.

Israel oh Israel, hear God through his words in the Bible, it is time to take the fire bolts in hand and move mountains and destroy islands.

Americans are with you and we will support you when you do this even if it means voting and throwing out our current PC government.

God bless Israel and lead Israel to victory.

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.

Posted by: Texican at May 8, 2006 12:15 AM

Sherin Ebadi's message has apparently cost her total credibility in the eyes of many people.

However, if you look carefully at her history, then why would you expect anything else?

The problem is that when one mushroom sticks its head up higher than the rest and seems less poisonous, then we think that we can eat it with impunity. Do we ever learn?

Posted by: Zathras at May 8, 2006 12:26 AM

The problem is that when one mushroom sticks its head up higher than the rest and seems less poisonous, then we think that we can eat it with impunity. Do we ever learn?
Posted by: Zathras at May 8, 2006 12:26 AM
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No as proved by the liberals, MSM and our federal government.

Posted by: Texican at May 8, 2006 12:33 AM

The Shah of Iran once predicted that his country would soon become the second industrial power, after Japan, in Asia. It hasn't turned out that way. And the nuclear project which many Iranians support, including those who do so out of a nationalist impulse, may not be able to understand, but they should try nonetheless, to realize that Infidels cannot conceivably allow a Muslim state, or a country populated largely by Muslims, to acquire such weaponry. It is not personal. It is not particularly aggressive. It is a minimal act of self-defense, given what Islam teaches and what too many of the adherents of that belief-system -- believe. Even if you do not believe it, you can hardly blame us for having to act on the assumption that most people who call themselves Muslims in fact do see the world as it is offered up in Qur'an and Hadith, and do divide it between Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb, between Believer and Infidel. Infidels have to plan, and act, on that assumption, and not on some dreamy idea of winning hearts and minds. It can't be done. The immutable texts, and 1350 years of virtually identical treatment, or mistreatment, of every kind of Unbeliever -- Christian, Jew, Zoroastrian, Hindu, Buddhist, Jain, Sikh -- lead to the conclusion that such an outcome is inevitable wherever Muslims manage to subjugate, through outright military conquest, through demographic conquest, through the deployment of the "money" weapon (which can help win over elites, just as once upon a time, in the East Indies, the winning to Islam of a few local rulers also instantly "converted" those they ruled).

No hopes can be placed by Infidels in a change of Iranian regime -- not even in such a regime itself. Why not? Because as the case of Turkey shows, Islam is permanent, and the attempts to constrain it can usually be weakened or undone altogether. Besides, even 80 years of Kemalism have hardly made Turkey a country full of "secularists." They are perhaps one-quarter of the population, at most, and always under attack. Infidels know that just as the Shah could be followed by Khomeini, and Ahmadinejad followed by, say, the Shah's son, so could the Shah's son be followed by another avatar of Khomeini. The risk simply cannot be taken.

Posted by: Hugh at May 8, 2006 12:47 AM

texican - I do realise we r dealing with deluded ppl here but they must realise that they face getting wiped of the face of the earth.

I guess they think allah will save them.

Posted by: Berf at May 8, 2006 12:52 AM

FACT: Throughout history Israel has gone through a pattern of prosperity and destruction over and over again. If you refute the pattern or pretend the pattern will stop "just this one time," then you live in a fantasy.


Iran is obviously willing to commit nuclear blackmail on multiple nations simultaneously with other countries' nukes and militaries. Thousands of sleeper cells posing as christians have infiltrated western cities from multiple hostile nations.


Dozens of countries are going to gang up on Western Civilization but it will be the attack on Iran that triggers an assault on the U.S. and all her allies.

The judgement of God is no different than the sword of Allah or the fire of Satan or the hate from which many will betray the U.S. It's all the same. The fact that Islam is growing so fast is an indicator of future judgement. If the U.S. survives this war then she will force the values and freedoms of western civilization in every corner of the earth into a much safer police state. If the U.S. perishes then much of the freedoms and prosperity will go with her.

May all the evildoers be brought to justice and all threats against our nations thwarted.

Posted by: parainvesta at May 8, 2006 12:56 AM

Parainvesta,

Frankly your post is very confusing. Are you a supporter of Iran?Do you honestly believe the rantings of Iran's president who appears quite delusional? Where did you get the idea that Islam is growing so fast? Did a Muslim tell that?I just read that 6 million Africans leave Islam each year. Without death threats I wonder how many more would leave Islam.

Posted by: Roxane at May 8, 2006 1:18 AM

Israel will bite down hard on that Iranian blow-hard without any advance notice. They'll do it alone. Bush, Cheney, Condo and her neo-cons cannot be trusted. They're short-timers anyway. The Arabs will whine but Israel's action will calm things down among all players within and without the Mid-east. I am a Korean War vintage ex-navy divebomber driver with a few tunnels and bridges I could tell you about.

Posted by: hobo at May 8, 2006 1:21 AM

It sounds like Hugh is coming to the same conclusion as many here have. That is, assuming that it was not always his opinion.

So we start to sound united in what should be done. But who is going to do it and how? Any strike on Iran will mobilise virtually 25-50% of western Muslims into activities from rallies to outright subversion. I really doubt if ANY western leader has the courage. Like the Armenians we will slowly slide towards the brink.

Where is our Churchill?

Posted by: Zathras at May 8, 2006 1:24 AM

I seem to be reading alot of postings that make a conflict between the West and the mohammedans sound like what a US-USSR war would have been, had it been realized. Where is this vast islamic military force hiding? Where are these brave, disciplined, well-trained soldiers for allah?

Please. They have some Western and old Russian hand-me-downs and very few examples of the newer stuff. The last couple of centuries of mohammedan military history read like a comedy script. People can debate the merits and long-term consequences of a nuclear counterstrike 'til the cows come home, but the fact is if the islamo-garbage set off any of the one or two they might be able to build or buy, they will cease to exist with heart stopping rapidity. One can grouse about fallout travelling the globe and genocide and blah, blah, blah, but I'm telling you, Joe Blow won't give a sh*t and will be calling for blood.

And he'll get it, buckets of it.
An ocean of it.

Posted by: Eisenhund at May 8, 2006 1:32 AM

Infantry and weapons skills get rusty when unused.
They do, however, polish up easily enough.

Posted by: Eisenhund at May 8, 2006 1:46 AM

Here is the solution.

1. Carpet bomb all the nucleur facilities.

2. Carpet bomb the capital and major cities.

3. Take control of the oil reserves.

4. Declare the oil reserves as "World Oil Reserves".

5. Stop futures trading in oil.It costs only 10$ per barrel cost wise but due to speculation we are psying these monsters 70$ per barrel.

6. Start selling oil at 13$ per barrel.

7. Do the same with the oil reserves in Iraq.

8. Keep the hostile mo's at bay.

9. DO NOT attempt to be humanitarian to zombies.

10. Follow steps 1-9 in all zombie infested nations. They might call themselves "Iraqi", "Iranian", "Saudi", "Shia", "Ahmedi", "Sunni": They are all muslim zombies.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 8, 2006 2:24 AM

Eisenhund said

Where is this vast islamic military force hiding? Where are these brave, disciplined, well-trained soldiers for allah?

Some posters even describe how Muslim troops could invade the U.S. There is alot of danger, but that will never happen. They can use asymetrical warfare to mess up our society, but they could never run the U.S. as an occupation force. I smile at the thought, knowing just how ferociously the U.S. man-on-the-street would rip into them.

On the other hand, other nations (Russia or China) might have reasons to temporarily forge a secret alliance with the jihadists. Give them massive funding and access to nuclear/bio/chemical technology, in return for the jihadists committing a massive disabling attack on the West that could not be traced back to Russia/China. Then foreign boots-on-the-ground become a possibility. I'm afraid we live in interesting times.

Posted by: special_guest at May 8, 2006 2:35 AM

Don't make the mistake of thinking that if the Russians or the Chinese were to aid the mohammedans in an attack on the West that it wouldn't be found out. They know this.

Put yourself in their shoes and do a cost/benefit analysis. Would anything you could get from Iran be worth the alienation of and hostility from the US? With all the business going back and forth with China, and Russia frankly depending on American largesse, are the mo's worth anything more than a fun little toy to annoy Europe and the USA? People will say "yeah, they might do it for the oil". Don't think so. Neither China nor Russia are going to risk pissing off the Americans by taking sides against them for Iran in exchange for a resource they can get elsewhere without destroying their relations.

Playing games and being jerks are what major powers do. It keeps them from getting bored and it entertains the media folks. The "Big Powers Club", however, is pretty exclusive, and the members like it that way. Don't count on anyone sponsoring those upstart, big-mouthed, little barbarians in Iran or any other pissant islamic country.

Posted by: Eisenhund at May 8, 2006 3:10 AM

Eisenhund said

Would anything you could get from Iran be worth the alienation of and hostility from the US?

Russia under Putin is already making an overt outreach to the Islamic world, including offering nuclear technology to Iran. There is only one operational term that matters here: plausible deniability. We could theorize all we want, but unless we had a microphone in the room when they chatted, all's we would have would be our suspicions.

Not that I don't appreciate your attempt to cheer me up.

Posted by: special_guest at May 8, 2006 3:24 AM

Heh.

Nah. I just think that the Russians and Chinese know who butters their bread, and that the mullahs are a bunch of chimps who are as dangerous to them as they are to us. The little bit of paddy-cake they've been playing with the qur'anian scum is more for show than anything else, mostly for domestic consumption. Its the petulance of a once-upon-a-time empire (Russia) and a wanna-be empire (PRC), trying to show that they have big cajones and aren't having their strings pulled in Washington. We know what the real deal is, so do they.

For any trouble these two nations start, we can start just as much. Russia is surrounded by republics full of people who remember 50 or more years of Soviet (read: Russian) rule none too fondly. China has lived in its little corner of the globe for, well, forever, and don't really have much influence beyond their own little neighborhood. They really don't want to play hardball with the USGov. or American industry.

Posted by: Eisenhund at May 8, 2006 3:41 AM

Somewhat OT.

The Koran is hate speech and it directly leads to violence and death. It should be banned. Please sign the online petition to ban the Quran (Koran.)

Posted by: Soma Rus at May 8, 2006 4:18 AM

funny...after posting here and in the little green foot ball blog,i felt the need to take a loaded gun to bed.a sign of the times i guess how sad.if i missed with christians or jews would i need a loaded gun?....i guess not.

Posted by: campingman1 at May 8, 2006 4:28 AM

Banning the Koran is no solution.It would only justify the "we are victims of the evil infidels' theory that is very popular with the muslims.
It would be much better to stick the Koran in their suitcases and ship the ones that use it as an instruement of hate and warfare back where they came from and out of our countries.
We are allowing a 5th coloumn of potential terrorists to live and prosper on our soils. People who hate our guts, are over here just for our money and who (with their silence or preaching) support the actions of their terrorist brothers.
We are smack in the middle of a war of cultures or "terrorist war". Since when do we allow our enemies to prosper and speak on the very soils that our ancestors defended with their lives ?

Posted by: drago at May 8, 2006 4:44 AM

As far as Iran is concerned. I'm not wild about another Iraq. Let Israel take care of the problem, they are among the first ones concerned, it would be self defense and nothing more. Give Israel the means, the economic and military support and they will wipe Iran off the map ! In anycase, they are ALREADY hated by the muslims, a little more won't hurt them !

Posted by: drago at May 8, 2006 5:00 AM

Drago..banning the Koran would not make a great deal of difference to how Muslims perceive us as they mostly hate us at worst and have contempt for us at best. What it would do is give us the excuse to destroy their mosques, ban their "apparel" and arrest anyone for the slightest reason. In other words it would virtually create a "police state" for Muslims. This is the only way that they can be combatted in western countries.

However it still would not be enough as many of those who would then openly apostasise would be sleepers. But it is a start to the hardline stance that we direly need.

If another west/islam war occurs (?Iran) the western jihad chorus will become louder evry day and they MUST be stopped before it occurs.

I have always been against censorship. I have never discarded a book in my life and still have Mein Kampf, the koran Chairman Mao's little red book and numerous, Jehovah's witnesses' tracts, SDA tracts and similar as I cannot destroy them, But the future of mankind here is being eroded by on ebook and one book alone and it is not the Necronomicon but the Koran.

Certainly we wont get all copies but like Linear A if we make a big enough dent in its numbers plus make possessing one dangerous it may become extinct or at least legendary.

BTW why should we pander to the Arab cultists and call it the Qu'ran? call it the Koran and bugger PC exactitude!!!

Posted by: Zathras at May 8, 2006 5:37 AM

Frankly, I have nothing against banning the Koran but I would prefer banning the people who believe and preach it !

Posted by: drago at May 8, 2006 5:52 AM

Drago:"banning the people who believe and preach it"

Now we are getting somewhere.

I agree with the finding of a "Final Solution" for Muslims but only in terms of really relocating them back to the Middle east. That is unless they physically object. (Bang goes my PC marks here!!)

Posted by: Zathras at May 8, 2006 5:59 AM

-Zathras,

Some of us say "qur'an" rather than "Koran" for the same reason we use "mohammedan" instead of "Muslim". Its more accurate (plus in the latter case, you get the side benefit of it driving them nuts).

Posted by: Eisenhund at May 8, 2006 6:18 AM

Insurgents Bomb Iraqi Oil Pipeline...i posted they would go for oil..i thought saudi arabia would be next...must be too protected...lets see who gains when oil goes up?...iran?...hugo?..nooooo...you don't say

Posted by: campingman1 at May 8, 2006 6:45 AM

Banning the Koran -- or at least petitioning that the Koran be banned -- should be part of a complete solution to letting the world know how hateful it is and why it is the one document that inspires all the killings and the flying of planes into buildings. If enough people sign the petition (or a better written one), then the main stream media may sit up and take notice. Someone should file a case in the US saying that the Koran is hate speech and therefore must be banned. That will get a debate started and people will get informed about the true nature of Mohammadism and why the Mohammedans should not be considered as average.

Note that the intent is not to promote censorship. The intent is to demonstrate the number of people who consider the Koran to be hate speech. So perhaps the petition should be re-written to say

"We the undersigned believe that the Koran is hate speech and incites violence against non-believers and has done so since the founder of Mohammedenism invented terrorism -- he admitted that he was a terrorist."

Posted by: Soma Rus at May 8, 2006 6:51 AM

draco posts as far as iran let israel take care of the problem...i read that in a book once...that the armys of the world would be compassed around israel and no one would help...what the heck was the title of that book?...darn it i must be getting old.

Posted by: campingman1 at May 8, 2006 6:53 AM

funny i was just thinking how people said imperial japan and nazi germany who never form an axis of evil....wait...they did...but that didnt make sence....oh experts with degrees....god save us.

Posted by: campingman1 at May 8, 2006 7:07 AM

If you want to ban the Koran, which I doubt will change anything, read it and you'll notice that its unconstitutional...what it contains is against the principals and laws gendered by the US constitution. Is that not enough ?
Is there freedom of expression in the Koran ?
Is there freedom of religion in the Koran ?
Does the Koran advocate peace and brotherhood ?
Does the Koran advocate liberty and democracy ?
Does the Koran have anything in common with the constitution of the US of A ?
Reply..... NO.
The constitution would not be tolerated in most muslim nations...Why should the Koran be tolerated in the US ?
These people who preach and respect a religion that is worthy of the darkest ages of humanity have no place in our societies.
Millions of our "fathers" died to give us democracy and freedom, respect their sacrifice and drive out the "real infidels", the "real cut throat barbarians " who like most vermin can survive and multiply ONLY because WE ALLOW THEM TO DO SO !

Posted by: drago at May 8, 2006 8:05 AM

Banning the Koran or any book runs counter to a free society and has the smack of fascism to it. Same goes for religion, let people worship what they will providing it causes no physical harm to another person. Islam has clearly stepped out of those boundaries with its promotion of cleansing non-believers with a trip to the grave.
This war isn't about oil but ideologies; theirs against ours: And they hate us! Using the words of Bin Laden, North America is made up of Satan and little Satan and should be destroyed. Muslims who share that view wouldn't hesitate to use WMD's if ever they became available to them as they are doing the work of their GOD and can only be blessed by him for ridding the world of infidels. Regardless of the consequences for taking such action.
Islam at its present state is a religion that promotes a culture of submission and death, where in the west we are a culture of liberty and life. Two very opposite ideologies that are bound to clash.
Knowing all this it is unwise to let ANY Islamic nation get its hands on WMD's and all steps should be taken to stop that from happening.
The only solution at this point in time is militarily. Let the bombs drop...

Posted by: Canadian Infidel at May 8, 2006 8:26 AM

Armani dinner jacket is a disciple of the devil, he just doesn't realise it. Our governments need to realise that a country which threatens the use of nuclear weapons before they even have them is relying on our western civilisation, a civilisation that does not take pleasure in violence. It is time that we use the same rules against these satanic countries that they would use against us. We HAVE to stop this arse kissing and put this vermin in their place.

Posted by: DaveMate at May 8, 2006 8:35 AM

In 1991 I read a book by the Native American Chippewa chief, Sun Bear.(Black Dawn , Bright Day" - I think).He had visions and wrote them down.

This was the first book I ever read where islam was discussed. Sun Bear thought it was the worst "religion" on earth; the way they treat their women and the way they treat "Mother Earth" was enough evidence for him.
(Not bad for a man who probably never met a muslim.)

He said back then that the US and Russia would not fight to death; he instead saw a clash with islam. I had no clue back then but it seems he was right.

I really cannot see Israel nuking Iran even if they have the means. It is an awful lot of responsibility to do something like this.
I think it would be tantamount to another Masada on a national scale and I hope this never happens.

Jews have been scapegoats for centuries. I don't think they should become the sacrficial lamb for the rest of the world.

Perhaps there will be another earthquake in Iran - that may solve a few problems! It would be an act of God.

Posted by: Gramfan at May 8, 2006 10:08 AM

Israel is like a little dog surrounded by a pack of rabid wolves. And it will sit there until one of the rabid wolves attacks. And I hope, that if it comes to that, not only do they take out the offending party, but also the black rock in mecca. Kill it at the source.

Posted by: freewoman at May 8, 2006 10:51 AM

I really cannot see Israel nuking Iran even if they have the means. It is an awful lot of responsibility to do something like this.

Gramfan,
If Israel does not do it it means that the US will have to. Is that any better ?
I would not expect any help from God in this matter either since its not his task here, never has been. He just watches from way up there his "divine creations" killing each other, His task is only to pick the good from the bad.... once they are dead.

Posted by: drago at May 8, 2006 11:16 AM

Freewoman,
I agree!

And also I would vote for Foehammer if I lived in the US.

There is a way around the muslim problem.

We live in countries that are tolerant of all religions. All we have to do is state truthfully that islam is not a religion but a death cult.

Therefore we shouldn't have to tolerate it and those who follow it.

They live among us and want to kill us. Get them out asap.Time is running out for the west. Europe is already in ruins; they won't and can't unite.
All too awful to contemplate.

Posted by: Gramfan at May 8, 2006 11:23 AM

Drago,
The US has way more people and resources than Israel.

However I would prefer to see a real coalition of western countries tackling this problem.
And I agree: God isn't going to do anythng either.

Posted by: Gramfan at May 8, 2006 11:28 AM

I wish he would share what he's smoking.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 8, 2006 11:28 AM

Gramfan,
Its true that the US has more resources and people but Israel is directly concerned here. Iran has already stated that their only wish is to wipe Israel off the map.
All this mess with the arabs started over Israel, give them the necessary help and let them handle it.The responsability of destroying vermin is not a responsability..its a necessity.
Why must it ALWAYS be the US who has to do the "dirty work" ?

Posted by: drago at May 8, 2006 11:39 AM

Drago,
Yes, Israel is more directly involved, but don't tell me it is their fault!! There are many reasons why it isn't and I will give you just ONE.

The UN partitioned "Palestine" after WW2. 1948.Part for the Arabs and part for what was left of the Jews after Hitler, and any other Jews who wanted to live there in safety.

The arabs attacked then as they continue to this day.

The UN has NEVER enforced this resolution. Yet it happily enforces others. Why should Israel be blamed for being Israel?

I don't think the US should do all the dirty work for other countries but it wants a degree of control. That is why they formed the CIA, after Pearl Harbour.

I know most other countries don't thank the US for helping them,,other than Israel. Most countries prefer to be anti-American and that annoys me also. Ingrates.

We shall have to wait and see what happens.
The Jews have always stood alone and I guess they will this time too because they don't have any oil. Simple really.

Posted by: Gramfan at May 8, 2006 11:55 AM

Drago,,PS.
If Israel falls this will be the beginning of the end. The arabs will be so emboldened they will not stop but continue to establish their caliphate.

This will, in fact, be the domino effect the US was afraid of with Viet Nam.

Israel will be the "acid test" for the west.

Posted by: Gramfan at May 8, 2006 12:04 PM

I never said it was Israel's fault.
I just said that its Israel primary concern.
If Israel wishes to survive in such a hostile landscape composed of hateful arabs who want its total destruction than Israel must assume the responsability of attacking them first instead of sitting there waiting for the US to do the job. Why ALWAYS the US ?

Posted by: drago at May 8, 2006 12:31 PM

Gramfan: God isn't going to do anythng either.

Dear Gramfan
It would be better to say: God isn't going to do our job for us. And we don't know what He will eventually do.

Posted by: dococ at May 8, 2006 12:34 PM

Nothing.... as usual.

Posted by: drago at May 8, 2006 12:41 PM

Gramfan: God isn't going to do anythng either.

Dear Gramfan
It would be better to say: God isn't going to do our job for us. And we don't know what He will eventually do.

Posted by: dococ

I think since he gave us brains (some of us anyway) and free will, he's playing referee. When the mohammedons get too frisky and dangerous, he gives them an earthquake. Or a tsunami. Or plague (bird flu).

Or maybe this is Mother Nature, tired of the anguish, the killing of innocents, destroyers of mankind.

Posted by: freewoman at May 8, 2006 12:42 PM

If you ALL think that God is going to save us from these people you must be dreaming. He did not save us or his choosen people (the jews) from Hitler, he won't do much here either.

Posted by: drago at May 8, 2006 12:44 PM

and in anycase if THEIR God (Allah) and our God are the same "person" than we are REALLY in BIG trouble !

Posted by: drago at May 8, 2006 12:53 PM

Re: banning the Qur'an...

My first opinion of the proposition of banning the Qur'an was that it would be a hideous defeat of the First Amendment.

Then, I remembered what happened when "The Catcher in the Rye" came under such attack, and there was a fairly large movement to ban the book. The first thing I did was acquire a copy, and read it. I just had to see what was so awful about it, you know?

Maybe banning, or attempting to ban the Qur'an isn't such a bad idea. Certainly, a hue and cry would be made about the very notion of banning a "holy" book.

This might cause people with perverse natures (like mine) to finally read the damned thing!

Posted by: Abscedere at May 8, 2006 12:59 PM

Drago, I kinda believe , what goes around comes around. Kinda like...karma.

God did save the Jews....he sent the U.S. military.

Posted by: freewoman at May 8, 2006 1:02 PM

God did save the Jews....he sent the U.S. military.

Which comes to saying that the US is the instruement of God ?
Guess that depends on who's side you were on during WWII.
Of course the 6 million jews who were gased may have a different opinion concerning God's idea of salvation.

Posted by: drago at May 8, 2006 1:06 PM

Hey, it took a bit to get our attention. But don't knock God. There is a lot of religious people here. Knock allah.

Posted by: freewoman at May 8, 2006 1:14 PM

Let's launch an EMP weapon over Iran and render it technologically dead and see what this moron says THEN! (Imagine the look on Ahmadinejad's face! Hee Hee!Hee!!).

Posted by: pythagoras at May 8, 2006 1:25 PM

Ahmadinejad does not fear death or even the destruction of his people. In a certain way, and according to his public comments on the topic, he even looks forward to the "final end". Its part of his crazy religious ideas. That's what makes him and others of his kind very dangerous people to deal with. They think that they are illuminated by the will of Allah and that their task is sacred.

Freewoman, I'm not knocking God and the fact that there may be a lot of " religious people here" does not impress me very much and will not change either my way of thinking or my way of expression. Just keep in mind that for some people out there in the world ( a few hundred millions) there is ONLY ONE GOD. All depends which Bible or Koran you are sitting on.

Posted by: drago at May 8, 2006 1:34 PM

Hey, I just meant indoor toilets! can't you guys take a joke?

Sincerely,
Madmoud Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Posted by: JanuaryMan at May 8, 2006 2:21 PM

Islamisbad:

LOL. The idea of me being President of the United States even frightens ME. Thanks for that. It made me laugh and I need more humor in my life nowadays.

But, I will agree with you -- I'd get things done. You've got to break a few eggs if you want to make an omelette.

The world isn't ready for a guy like me to have that much power though. I actually know war strategy and history and I'm far more aggressive than any President I've seen in my lifetime.

Still, it's fun to imagine.

Hmmm...

Foehammer

Posted by: Foehammer at May 8, 2006 5:34 PM

drago -

"THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD - All depends which Bible or Koran you are sitting on"

How naive!! Are you saying that the God of the Bible is the same as the God of the Koran? If this is your claim, then you obviously haven't read either religious text.

Jesus and Mohammad are NOTHING alike!!

Posted by: champ at May 8, 2006 6:04 PM

Champ, if you read both than you should know that Muhammad or Mohammad was visted by the Angel Gabriel in the year 610 who gave him a message from God, and that started the whole thing.
What God do you think this message came from ? Since the Angel Gabriel belongs to our bible and our God.
The Koran and the Bible are both holy books for those who wish to believe. How they have been manipulated and interpretated by men is another matter.

Posted by: drago at May 9, 2006 3:06 AM

Let us get one thing clear folks. No God is involved. We are dealing with a cult that gives refrences to a religion.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 9, 2006 5:20 AM

Sevak, that's kind of playing with words. A cult or religion same thing, and when you speak of cults or religions a God is always involved. Now, HOW these people LIVE their religion may have nothing to do with God. This metaphysical question started since a few people here seem to think that there are SEVERAL God's involved. A Muslim God, A Jewish God, or a Christian God...when historically speaking they are ALL refering to the same God since they are linked.
How the Muslims,Jews or Catholics which to live their faith is completely different...as can be seen today.
But I will agree, to close the subject, that the present problems have nothing to do with God but only with men.

Posted by: drago at May 9, 2006 5:45 AM