pakistan was created by muslims in 1947. The last pieces of land taken from India were pakistan and bangladesh. bangladesh was called East pakistan until the year 1971, when pakistan invaded it, and, in a classic example of muslim killing muslim, wiped out hundreds of thousands of muslims. Then Indian forces liberated bangladesh by defeating the pakistani forces. But, our dhimmi leaders did not keep the territory for themselves. This is the reason bangladesh slowly rotted into islamic cauldron that it is today. Even now, most of our leaders make us believe that "Hindus and muslims are brothers". We only have to pick up a history book to see what these muslim brothers have done to Hindus. 600 million Hindus butchered in 1000 years of invasion on Hindus who have not invaded any country in 2000 years of written Western History. Three islamic countries carved out of India. First Afghanistan, then Pakistan and Bangladesh. But, the Hindus are just waking up and smelling the ashes of 600 million innocent deaths.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 10, 2006 4:27 AM

From the article;
The key protagonists in this wave of terrorism have been the Pakistan Army and the ISI directorate.

This is the reason I am wary when Osama/Mullah Omar/Zawahiri issue diktats against Musharraf (kill/murder/maim musharraf). Its a bluff and whole lotta bluster. If Musharraf wanted, America can nab Osama and his piggies in days. US has just opened its eyes on this paki double dealing game and statement from GWB (during visit to pakistan) indicated he was developing doubts about Musharraf's commitment.

This(paki army thru ISI dealing with al-qaeda/islamic terrorists nexus) has also been reiterated by US Counterterrorism coordinator Henry Crumpton (Pakistan can’t remain a safe haven for enemy forces, and right now parts of Pakistan are indeed that.), CentCom chief Gen. John Abizaid and the leaked secret U.S. military documents in Afghanistan.

Posted by: desi_singh at May 10, 2006 5:53 AM

Interestingly, Sheikh Omar, who is convicted in the on-camera butchery of Daniel Pearl, is a Pakistani, raised in Great Britain (go figure). Indian forces had jailed him for terrorist links to LeT but Sheikh Omar was freed after the Indian Airlines flight hijacked to Khandar (after stopping in Karachi).. another go figure! Later, same Omar Sheikh wired funds for 9/11, followed by the well known on-camera murder of Daniel Pearl. And what was Musharraf's response to the affair?

Before murder: 'There are no terrorists in Pakistan.
After murder: He (Daniel Pearl) went too close to daner.

And Dubya sells the rope to hang us http://manojar.blogspot.com/2004/11/usa-military-aid-to-pakistan.html For more on Pakista, ISI, Bilori mosque and finally, Bomb for Bin Ladin, read 'Who killed Daniel Pearl': http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0971865949/102-5638738-7521757?v=glance&n=283155

Posted by: Alert at May 10, 2006 6:55 AM

Yes I agree Pakistan is the real key to destroying the capability of Osama and his merry men - unless the Paki problem is addressed they will always have a safe haven to attack us from.

Posted by: johnmac at May 10, 2006 8:43 AM

Dear Arjun Sevak, majority of the Bangladeshis killed and raped by the Paki Army in 1971 were hindus.However many muslims were also killed.

Posted by: iqbal at May 10, 2006 9:31 AM

If Musharref falls without a strong henchman grabbing the helm immediately, the "transitional" chaos could allow Iran, Syria, Turkey, Algeria, etc, to siphon off some of the Pakistani atomic arsenal.

Once these weapons were secured in other Muslim states, Islam could then count on even a greater balance of intimidation for the Ummah.

One Mahdi short of an apocalypse.

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 10, 2006 10:39 AM

Robert i'd reproduce the entire articles from The Pioneer if i were you. They are the only Indian newspaper with balls but for some reason they dont keep archives.

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at May 10, 2006 10:58 AM

Profitsbeard strikes at the very heart of the matter. The proliferation of nuclear weaponry throughout the Ummah must be assumed to be an inevitable fact. The West must now concentrate on how the use of those weapons can be prevented. We have to credibly threaten to do things that will seriously disrupt the the Muslim eschatological framework. Total war means total war. Let's roll.

Posted by: Hulegu Khan at May 10, 2006 11:01 AM

Btw Lashkar-e-Toiba "boys" have been caught in India trying to blow up ancient World Heritage Ellora caves, sacred to Hindus, Buddhists and Jains.

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/mumbai-police-foil-ellora-terror-bid/10006-3.html

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at May 10, 2006 11:01 AM

Actually, these terrorist groups are revolving doors, and in the past, they could deflect attention by pointing out to suspicious Westerners that they were really fighting India in Kashmir. In fact, Lashkar e Toiba had/has several links with the Taliban.

Pakistan's case is no different than Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait or Egypt - the description of "allies" for such countries is demonstrably false.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 10, 2006 12:06 PM

Infidel Pride nice to see you again.
We, the civilized people,are not organized and united like the muslims. muslims are extremely well organized. In every city, there is a head mullah. In every state/province there is a unified board. And in every country there is the country head. That is why, they are able to move as a unit and wage urban warfare. This is the only form of warfare in which the muslims have won 3 countries from India. They cannot fight a military battle. They ALWAYS mingle with the local population and behave normally. There are always small riots somewhere in India, but people are lulled in false security. 'No, our hassan/abu is a nice man. See how he fixes my bike'. Then one fine day, the head honcho says go, and the men of mo come out to butcher. This happened during the birth of pakistan from Hindu India,which is a threat till date. Ordinary working muslims turned butchers and killed one million Hindus, forcing the others to flee to India. I might be repeating myself, but one million innocent civilians butchered is too much.
http://voi.org/books/negaind/ch2.htm

There are thousands of books on the topic.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 10, 2006 12:32 PM

The entire "War on Terrorism" is nothing more than a bandaid on an open wound that just keeps getting bigger, bloodier and more disgusting with every passing day.

Want to stop the bleeding? Then start let's start talking straight in Western governments about Islam.

It's really that bloody simple.

Posted by: Foehammer at May 10, 2006 12:32 PM

arjun

voi.org has a whole bunch of books, by Sitaram Goel, KS Lal, Francois Gunther, et al, as well as articles by Shourie and others. Take a look at that whole site - I just cited that chapter in a previous post to highlight the numbers killed, which curiously missed the Moghul and post Moghul eras. (I'm still skeptical about your 600m number - even the VHP doesn't claim more than 200m. And that's throughout the Indian subcontinent.)

The above story doesn't surprise me at all. Unlike, say, Iran or Indonesia that would have their identities intact even if they shed off Islam, that's not true of Pakistan or Bangladesh. If they ever did that, they'd still be independent, but it would be like East Germany - they'd lose their sole reason for being separate from India.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 10, 2006 1:01 PM

When Islam came to India, more than a thousand years ago, its biggest ally was the Indian's smugness in their own belief system based on a rational view of man. They also had a code of conduct for fighting wars, which they presumed was applicable to everyone. They lost millions of people and most of their country to the muslims, because of their own inability to understand that a religion or a belief system can be so irrational, violent and entirely lacking in ethics.

It was hundreds of years later, when they started figuring out what they were up against, that they reorganised their worldview and their warfare, to successfully stem and turn back the islamic tide.

Then the British came and the Indians soon forgot the lessons learnt at great cost by their ancestors. They are still paying for it.

The West is in the same smug situation as the Indians were a thousand years ago, fully committed to a belief in man's rationality and essential goodness. The question is will they perforce have to go through the Indian experience, because of this same belief?

Posted by: Dunk at May 10, 2006 1:25 PM

While it is easy to be dismissive about Musharraf, he seems to me an intelligent, level headed leader and potentially also another important bridge to modernity in islam, like Kemal Pasha of Turkey.

He is genuinely hated by al-Qaeda and the terrorists, who have made several unsuccessful attempts on his life, because he represents a modern outlook, order and control in a country which would otherwise quickly plunge into chaos and into the waiting arms of the jihadis.

Posted by: Dunk at May 10, 2006 1:37 PM

I'm a convinced beyond much doubt that Musharraf took control of Pakistan in order to keep nuclear weapons out of hotter heads than his, namely, out of the hands of the devout Muslim jihad commmunity. He is one of the few allies in the Middle East that we have, and I'm sure he plays a chess game daily with his life. He must be surrounded by loyal (secretly?) secular bodyguards and I would bet, more than a few U.S. watchdogs.

Posted by: Foehammer at May 10, 2006 2:31 PM

Dunk & Foehammer, I can't believe that you guys have fallen for that total fraud by the name of Musharraf. Have a look at the speech by Mush after 9-11 & ask yourself what exactly motivated him to act as an ally of USA. (Hint: Mush is probably the first Islamic World leader to publicly quote the "Hudaibiya treaty" in explaining to his people his decision to work with USA)

http://www.un.int/pakistan/14010919.html

Posted by: Razdan at May 10, 2006 3:19 PM

I have always ranked pakistan as a greater threat than iran. But unfortunately for the victims of their jihad they are indians. Hindu indians. Since most people in North america dont know the difference between hindus and muslims there will never be an outcry about those victims. Also the US is still stuck in the cold war. Bush did a good thing by recongnizing India's nukes, hopefully he wakes up and moves away from his terrorist friend musharaf.

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at May 10, 2006 4:13 PM

Military co operation between India & the USA is increasing.
There have been a series of "Cope" excercises between the USAF & the IAF, the special forces are training together and high tech military sales of F18's may be in the pipeline (India will pay for them unlike the paks"
NASA has signed an agreement with ISRO to launch US satelites on Indian rockets.
I think one of the reasons for this co operation is that if the brown stuff ever hits the fan in pakistan a possible senario would be joint US & Indian airstrikes from Indian bases.
An Indian land invasion from the east.
US/French/British/Indian naval attacks from the sea.

US/French/British/Indian/Israeli/Russian special forces would carry out searchs for the nuclear warheads.
Indian aircrew are learning American search and rescue techniques.
If the worst happens pakistan will be "taken down"
so overwhelmingly that it will shock the islamic world.

a good sight for info on US and Indian forces co operation is www.bharat-rakshak.com

moslems all over believe their own bluff and bluster, they mistake non moslem humanity for weakness and regard it as their own strength.
islam has picked a fight with humanity and is going to lose.

Regards

AI

Posted by: apostate_islam at May 10, 2006 4:46 PM

Infidel Pride
Thank you for telling me about voi.org. I am posting that link everywhere. I think the West need not have a lot of dead Westerners before the President REALLY gets going. I was thinking that the corpses of all these Hindus are sufficient to wage war on the menace of islam. Not to avenge the Hindus, there can be no vengeance for 600 Million butchered, but to save just a few lives.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 11, 2006 12:57 AM

Razdan

I recall that speech a few days after 9/11. I recall watching it on FoxNews, but as I remember, they moved away from that address when it was getting to that part. Also, the MSM used the official Pak translation, but there were some telling differences between what they translated, and what Musharraf was actually saying in Urdu.

Looked like an Arafatesque taqqiya play all over again: Arafat had a practice of saying one thing in English, while in Arabic, his speeches were no different from Hamas. In this case, Musharraf was doing the same, but with Urdu. While neither Israel nor India get fooled by such statements, since the Israelis follow Arabic and the Indians follow Urdu, the unfortunate part is that the West does fall for it.

Foehammer

A running joke amongst Indians is that Osama is safe and secure in Musharraf's residence, which is why they are unable to find him. In fact, one Indian member of the White House Press Corpse once asked Ari Fleischer that (shortly after the capture of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed). That did create an amusing climate in that usually hostile briefing room.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 11, 2006 3:18 AM

Razdan

I recall that speech a few days after 9/11. I recall watching it on FoxNews, but as I remember, they moved away from that address when it was getting to that part. Also, the MSM used the official Pak translation, but there were some telling differences between what they translated, and what Musharraf was actually saying in Urdu.

Looked like an Arafatesque taqqiya play all over again: Arafat had a practice of saying one thing in English, while in Arabic, his speeches were no different from Hamas. In this case, Musharraf was doing the same, but with Urdu. While neither Israel nor India get fooled by such statements, since the Israelis follow Arabic and the Indians follow Urdu, the unfortunate part is that the West does fall for it.

Foehammer

A running joke amongst Indians is that Osama is safe and secure in Musharraf's residence, which is why they are unable to find him. In fact, one Indian member of the White House Press Corpse once asked Ari Fleischer that (shortly after the capture of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed). That did create an amusing climate in that usually hostile briefing room.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 11, 2006 3:18 AM

Razdan

I recall that speech a few days after 9/11. I recall watching it on FoxNews, but as I remember, they moved away from that address when it was getting to that part. Also, the MSM used the official Pak translation, but there were some telling differences between what they translated, and what Musharraf was actually saying in Urdu.

Looked like an Arafatesque taqqiya play all over again: Arafat had a practice of saying one thing in English, while in Arabic, his speeches were no different from Hamas. In this case, Musharraf was doing the same, but with Urdu. While neither Israel nor India get fooled by such statements, since the Israelis follow Arabic and the Indians follow Urdu, the unfortunate part is that the West does fall for it.

Foehammer

A running joke amongst Indians is that Osama is safe and secure in Musharraf's residence, which is why they are unable to find him. In fact, one Indian member of the White House Press Corpse once asked Ari Fleischer that (shortly after the capture of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed). That did create an amusing climate in that usually hostile briefing room.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 11, 2006 3:19 AM

Apologies for the triple post - brittle wireless connection plus posting boo-boos

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 11, 2006 3:20 AM

Infidel Pride, you bring up a very good point. I remember that both BBC and CNN had the full written version of Mush's speech on the day it was given out, only to mysteriously have the section on the Hudbaiya treaty edited out the next day and in subsequent references to this speech on their web site. I'm convinced that there are muslim moles at both news organizations that carefully monitor and tailor/filter the news.

Posted by: Razdan at May 11, 2006 6:37 AM