Yet more love from devoted followers of the great religion of peace and harmony.

Posted by: alexon at May 12, 2006 12:57 AM

"Destroy their buildings, make their ground shake and transform them into a sea of blood,"

None of this, in fact most of what we read here on JW never appears in the mainstream media.
Most people I know, whether American, Canadian, or any other westerner would be shocked stiff to see the hate and readiness to kill.
They'd follow it up with the question that makes me want to tear my hair out: "Why do they hate us?"

We may wish to spread awareness but that's not enough. The media sector is just like all others, following the influences of lobbying and interest groups, in the Islamist's case, Saudi Petrodollars.

Islamists may rave against the ruling Saud dynasty's traitorous alliance with the US but what with Alwaleed Bin Talaal buying stakes in Fox News etc and heavily influencing coverage when it comes to muslim matters they actually have a lot to thank them for.

All of us whether at JW, FFI or whatever need to come together and donate generously to a fund to accelerate the three most important things we can do both in the cyber world as well as the real world:
1) AWARENESS OF THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM
2) AWARENESS OF THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM
3) AWARENESS OF THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM

I live in Dubai temporarily - i'm a 20yr old exchange student from Chicago, originally from India. The place gives me the creeps because the local arabs are socially segregated from the opposite sex from birth to death. Half the arab guys I meet try to hit off on me. Most of my friends have similar stories to tell. It's like situational homosexuality in prison.

Well ISLAM is a lifelong prison.
Mentally, Spiritually, Morally.

Posted by: CHINUBHAI at May 12, 2006 1:19 AM

I guess "letting go" is not in their vocabulary, but nursing a grudge is.

Posted by: champ at May 12, 2006 1:40 AM

Why didn't Mo Hassan release his video last year when the Cartoon Rage story was hot? Perhaps he should find a new agent to shop any future manifestoes of bloodlust.

Posted by: Xero G at May 12, 2006 1:40 AM

I am glad they are letting this go.

The bbc cleared some things up

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4708216.stm

so it was the papers fault after all. Now I can stop coming to this site, its clear we have been the instigators all along. You'd think Jack Straw was hired as the editor of the BBC

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at May 12, 2006 1:44 AM

Uh ! Iam getting tired of reading these hate spews everyday .Can't there be an end to all these miseries ?

Posted by: sutasuta at May 12, 2006 1:57 AM

Some German papers printed the cartoons also. Strangely, the soldiers of Allah didn't call for Jihad against the fatherland , at least not yet.

Last week, while there, German TV reported that Iran is a very 'important' trading partner.

'Gott mit uns' & Allahu akhbar working in tandem?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 12, 2006 2:00 AM

Giora Eiland should resign from the Israeli government immediately. To bad someone can't jump start Sharon's neurons...he would surely put this incompetent pipe-dreamer out to pasture.

Posted by: Xero G at May 12, 2006 2:13 AM

oops, meant to post last comment on preceeding story).

Posted by: Xero G at May 12, 2006 2:16 AM

Hassan, also known as Sheikh Abu Yahia al-Libi, was one of four Arab terror suspects who broke out of the high-security detention facility at Bagram, the main US military base in Afghanistan.

Isn't it time that the US move all terror detainees out of Afghanistan and Iraq, if that's where they happen to be, to an isolated island somewhere in the Pacific? Since Eastern Europe is now out of the question due to the lovely and gracious Mary McCarthy, they should find isolated prisons outside Dar ul Islam. Maybe put them in penal colonies in the Antarctica, with no Quran, no halal food, no prayer rugs. And no central heating. Therefore, if they do escape, they're out of luck.

Now this fugitive is not only free, but threatens 3 countries. Now if only this could wake up France to the idea that the US is not the villain when it comes to indefinite detention of enemy combatants...

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 12, 2006 2:19 AM

Chinubhai

I've never understood why any Infidel - Hindu, Christian or anybody else - would want to work in the Gulf. Get the hell out of there and FAST! It's not like there aren't well paying jobs in India anymore, even if you can't work in the US.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 12, 2006 2:24 AM

Chinubhai

Admit it...you ARE gay and are saying these things to make the local arabs look bad.

What are you studying there anyway?

Posted by: Naseem at May 12, 2006 4:04 AM

Chinubhai,
I hate to dissapoint but there is a free paper available to everyone who catches public transport home in the evening here. Todays main headline (frontpage with picture): War On Europe, Al-Qaida threat to destroy Denmark, France, Norway. There is nothing in the article to lessen the impact or threat. This is produced by one of the main publishers and most articles are reproduced in the main paper the next day.

There is also a full page discussion of the Ahmadinejad letter but that is not quite so objective but does end with: it's going to be nearly impossible for anybody in the West to ever really talk with Iran's president.

Posted by: AngryMuppet at May 12, 2006 4:34 AM

"Destroy their buildings, make their ground shake and transform them into a sea of blood," said Hassan, dressed in military fatigues and a black turban, and holding an assault rifle.

"....so that the infidels may learn better than to wrongly portray our prophet and his followers as VIOLENT PEOPLE!!!"

Posted by: yadayada at May 12, 2006 4:48 AM

Infidel Pride, you have hit the nail on the head. Why, oh why, do these kuffars insist on working in the lands of the Religion of Peace?

Naseem, yeah, that must be it. Chinubhai claims that Arab guys hit on him and his friends, and that will give Arabs a bad name. All the terrorism the Arabs indulge in around the world killing by the thousands is quite fine; but Chinubhai's allegation will give local Arabs a bad name. Yeah, that must be it.

Are you naturally stupid or did you have to go to a madrassah to reach this level of stupidity?

Posted by: atanu at May 12, 2006 4:52 AM

The entry for “arab” in Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Thesaurus lists vagabond, hobo, tramp, and peddler as synonyms.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 12, 2006 5:06 AM

Chinuhbai,

Just to say that I appreciate your reports from Dubai. Keep 'em coming. It's good to get some info on daily life and what it's like living in such a place. I was also hassled non-stop by guys in Pakistan.A sleazy and threatening scene. The outcome of repression. Becoming the very thing you condemn.

Infidel Pride:

I think people go to work in Saudi and the Gulf states because they want to earn a fast buck. It's the filthy lucre again. Greed. I know several Brits who have done this---gone out to teach and earn money to buy a house back home. It's called self interest. They don't care about what vile regimes they are supporting.

Posted by: johndoe at May 12, 2006 5:14 AM

Now we see why the Muslims had a lag time between when the cartoons first appeared and when they freaked out about them. This is not them defending the honor of their prophet. This is an offensive tactic designed to give them an excuse to destroy the culture, history and and Christian heritage in Denmark, Norway and France and take over quickly instead of breeding the native peoples in those countries out of existence.

"We warned you. We told you we would avenge our prophet. You can't offend him like that...blah, blah BLAH."

It was all a set up to take over.

What is in it for our "fearless" leaders to not stand up to them and to just let them take over? They are getting something out of it, just like George Bush is getting something out of NOT securing our borders. What could that possibly be?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at May 12, 2006 5:21 AM

" Some German papers printed the cartoons also. Strangely, the soldiers of Allah didn't call for Jihad against the fatherland , at least not yet."

The reason is the Muslims are frightened of the Germans - if they get it into their heads to solve a problem - they will - in the end it could be german eficiency that finally eradicates the problem that we now face !

Posted by: johnmac at May 12, 2006 5:34 AM

Naseem, once again you prove how insanely stupid you are...

CHINUBHAI is of course a woman, and your shitty moslime kind just can't keep your dirty fingers off of her...

Posted by: Canman at May 12, 2006 5:53 AM

Sea of blood? Not long ago it was a volcano of rage.

It's all getting a bit tiresome. Maybe they should ring the changes and talk about being "a bit miffed", or "none too happy". This would make more of an impression.

Posted by: Interested at May 12, 2006 5:56 AM

Hey, hey guys, i'm not some traitor supporting the Axis of Evil. Just a 20yr old exchange student stationed in Dubai for 2 months before I get back to Chicago.

Naseem: I'm not gay, in fact i'd like you to post up a few sexy photos of yourself(no burqas please) - you paki whores are usually good quality.

The simple point I was making was that because Muslims have NO CONTACT OF ANY KIND with the opposite sex here and the mental image they have of women is of a bundled up black bag - the Burqa - which isn't even remotely sexy - and because all humans have natural sexual urges, all of us here know what goes on among the local arabs, although its always in secret.

Accept it. Islam, which orders death for homosexuality is in fact the cause of a lot of homosexual behaviour, even among the normally straight.

Posted by: CHINUBHAI at May 12, 2006 6:08 AM

Isabellathecrusader: "This is an offensive tactic designed to give them an excuse to destroy the culture, history and and Christian heritage in Denmark, Norway and France.."

An offensive tactic cloaked in the guise of defense. And it is indeed getting pretty comical the way Muslims find pretexts for offensive action, so that they can continue to claim that they engage in jihad for defensive reasons only. I shouldn't call it comical but what other word can describe the absurdity of calling for the wholesale destruction of 3 nations in "a sea of blood" over a handful of cartoons? I suppose the question is - do most Muslims actually buy this line and really believe that they are on the defensive as opposed to being the obvious agressors? It would seem so. Black is white and white is black and the way Muslims are capable of twisting reality to justify, while simultaneously disgusing, their imperialistic agenda is really quite mind-boggling. I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that the thought process of Muslims generally is so hopelessly twisted that reason is useless. Instead, we should focus on damning westerners who let them get away with this inversion of reality by giving any credence whatsoever to their continuous trumped up claims of victimhood.

Posted by: Caroline at May 12, 2006 6:16 AM

Chinubhai,

You're quite right. More on that:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5704

The other outlet would seem to be surfing the Net for porn:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=sex&ctab=1&geo=all&date=all

It's even been suggested that there is a link between attitudes to sex in Islam and terrorism - although, frankly, it's a bit speculative:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13230

Posted by: Yojimbo at May 12, 2006 6:21 AM

Chinubhai

What are you studying there anyway?

Posted by: Naseem at May 12, 2006 04:04 AM

Be careful disclosing any personal information here folks.

It could prove fatal.

Posted by: Mike_W at May 12, 2006 6:26 AM

Caroline,

How about Westerners who try to undermine immigration law in such times of grave peril?

Latest on the Belgian Bishops and their assistance to illegals occupying Christian places of worship:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1064

Posted by: Yojimbo at May 12, 2006 6:27 AM

CHINUBHAI keep up the post from Dubai! this is supposed to be such a modern place in the middle east so l am told by some radio hosts! lol. supposed to be hub, Europe of the middle east!
l completetly agree with you that islam institutionalizes their people,it creates freaks among them. the devoted become mass killers! the muslims who try to escape are the normal ones. anyhow great hearing about life from an infidel perspective in the great dubai!

Posted by: Lulu at May 12, 2006 6:30 AM

It must be slow in the house of Islam if they are trying to resurrect this dead horse.
Another shameless publicity stunt meant only to grab headlines in the west and fuel the fire of the Islamic idiots with no minds. Dogma and stupidity it would seem, rule in Muslim-land.
Those cartoons however are a great example of how Islam works its muscle to influence the west by using our own political correctness and multiculturalist fear against ourselves. Shut down freedom of speech, and you can turn back some critical thinking.
Take the so called Prophet Mohammed who if he lived today would probably be considered mentally deficient or schizophrenic with delusions of grandeur very much on par with a Jim Jones or David Koresh type. Anyone with two cents of mind would reject the dogma of the latter two, and should do so with the first. Like the fiery rhetoric and writings of all cult leaders, Mohammed and his Koran has no real spiritual value to it, and is nothing more than a book that shuts down independent thought for blind obedience. Really not worth the paper it is printed on: unless it is two ply or better...

Posted by: Canadian Infidel at May 12, 2006 6:55 AM

This was posted at LGF. They they still serious about letting Turkey into the EU? Game over if it happens.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?col=§ion=theworld&xfile=data/theworld/2006/May/theworld_May388.xml

Posted by: Mr Krabs at May 12, 2006 6:57 AM

More deliberate stupidity from AP:

Hamas 'edging' towards recognizing Israel:

http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/topstories/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060512/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 12, 2006 7:05 AM

Yojimbo - my first reaction was to say Damn them!:-) But in this case the solution is much simpler. All the local Christians should come to the churches, line up in the pews and start praying loudly, holding up crucifixes, reading from the Bible, singing Christian hymns, calling the “sans papiers” to embrace Christ and so on (picture really going over the top here) – and all this while the sans-papiers are squatting in the aisles. See if that doesn't solve the problem.

As an aside though, it was when I first read reports in the Brussels Journal of empty churches in Belgium being converted into mosques that I decided after 27 years to return to church. Use it or lose it. While there, I think about all the persecuted Christians throughout the Muslim world for whom spending an hour in public in church would be something of a miracle. I'm there in solidarity with them and also because I realize how much we westerners take such a seemingly simple thing for granted. We shouldn't.

Posted by: Caroline at May 12, 2006 7:23 AM

Yojimbo

LOL - that goole trends thing is superb.

A bit rude and OT but:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=anal+sex&ctab=1&geo=all&date=all

Turkey(!!) come top for this one!

Whilst a bit more suitable:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=jihad&ctab=1&geo=all&date=all

All the top Islamic nations are there - including the UK(!) above the USA.

This is a fantastically powerful tool. Superb find.

Posted by: mazztr at May 12, 2006 7:36 AM

Turkey(!!) come top for this one!

More to the point Canada came second.

So that's why they call them the Mounties.

Posted by: Interested at May 12, 2006 7:46 AM

Whilst not wanting to spend all day doing this, this trend is quite interesting:

Trend: nuclear physics

Main countries: Pakistan, India and Iran..

http://www.google.com/trends?q=nuclear+physics&ctab=1&geo=all&date=all

Well well well...

Posted by: mazztr at May 12, 2006 7:48 AM

Ahmadinejad kicked off his visit on Wednesday by meeting Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and during his visit he has received an enthusiastic welcome from officials to students, who have voiced their support for Iran's nuclear project for energy.

Ahmadinejad joined Friday prayers at Jakarta's Istiqlal mosque where he delivered a short speech.

"I believe that Islam surely will win and all of you surely will win," he told about 2,000 worshippers, some of whom tried to mob Ahmadinejad while others took his pictures with their mobile phones.

Economic ties are a major focus of the trip, particularly in the oil and gas sector. Iran and Indonesia are members of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries.

Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country, is on good terms with Iran and other Middle East countries as well as with the West and has offered to mediate in the dispute over Tehran's nuclear ambitions.

Ahmadinejad is due to fly to Bali on Friday for a meeting of the Developing Eight group that also includes Indonesia, Nigeria, Malaysia, Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

(Additional reporting by Telly Nathalia)


iran focus

Posted by: storagemanager at May 12, 2006 8:20 AM

Many years ago my father had to go to Indonesia on business and was given, by one of his colleagues, an old Traveller's Lexicon published in Bandung. Amongst the instructions for using the telephone system was this priceless gem

"...the operators are very, very busy; don't push on! In case you lose your temper the operator will connect you with a nasty colleague."

It still seems to me that this tells one all one needs to know about Indonesia!

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at May 12, 2006 8:51 AM

And that just reminded me of one of my grandfather's, probably apocryphal, stories about a hotel notice he purportedly encountered in Istanbul (Constantinople)

"Flying water in all room. You may bask in sin on the patio."

What can one say!

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at May 12, 2006 8:56 AM

I believe that Islam surely will win and all of you surely will win," he told about 2,000 worshippers, some of whom tried to mob Ahmadinejad while others took his pictures with their mobile phones.
i thought this was not a war with islam.bush should write ahmadineejad a long letter asking him to stop hijacking islam.

Posted by: storagemanager at May 12, 2006 8:58 AM

i just wonder how many more mornings i will have in the twilight zone.........BERLIN (Reuters) - U.N. inspectors have discovered new traces of highly-enriched uranium on nuclear equipment in Iran, deepening suspicions Tehran may still be concealing the full extent of its atomic enrichment program, diplomats said......isnt that what all this was about in the first place?

Posted by: storagemanager at May 12, 2006 9:09 AM

Johnmac: "The reason is the Muslims are frightened of the Germans"

No ;-) They are surely not frightened of us. Though Chancellor Angie is slightly better than the moron we had before, we still are the perfect dhimmies. We give them a place to live undisturbedly and where they can plan attacks, while living by our welfare. That's why they don't threaten us. It's a shame.

The first attack on Denmark already took place. Fortunately no one got hurt.
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/95528.html

Posted by: Eisvogel at May 12, 2006 9:19 AM

Report: 200 Feared Dead in Nigerian Oil Pipeline Explosion ...fox news.....are saudi oil fields next?...its what i think.

Posted by: storagemanager at May 12, 2006 9:33 AM

iaea finds near arms-grade uranium traces in iran..drudge report

Posted by: storagemanager at May 12, 2006 9:41 AM

robert from fars today..Friday Prayers Leader:
Ahmadinejad's Letter to Bush Indicative of Iran's Desire for Global Peace
TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- Tehran's Interim Friday Prayers Leader, Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, reiterated that Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's letter to his US counterpart, George W Bush, shows that Iran follows the path of logic and calls for the establishment of peace and tranquility in the world.

Posted by: storagemanager at May 12, 2006 9:52 AM

Addressing a large congregation of worshippers at Tehran University campus on Friday, Ayatollah Jannati said, "Tehran does not use force and rejects any force on it."

He stressed that the problems of the US is traced in the incompetence of its President, saying, "Whether or not Bush replies to Mr. Ahmadinejad's letter, the Americans would incur a loss. Their assertion, which the text of the Iranian President's letter to Bush does not point to the current issues going on in the world, is nothing but an excuse."

Elsewhere in his sermons, Tehran's interim Friday prayers leader described the following of the rules of Prophet Jesus (PBUH) by the US President and his support for Human Rights as "a big lie."

Ayatollah Jannati stressed that Iran is totally ready to defend its nuclear rights, saying the main reason for Iran's lack of trust in the US is nothing but the adverse policies of the US towards Tehran.

fars the pravda of iran

Posted by: storagemanager at May 12, 2006 9:56 AM

I truly find the latest Video of threats to Norway, Denmark and France remarkable!!!
Here you have a Imam that was so, so exposed on the French TV channel (talking of dobble standards, like USA maybe??), during a off camera interview, make threats to all over Europe, especially Scandinavia after these drawings published in the News media.
He had the balls of getting all the drawings edithed before he went to gather support in the Muslim world, putting extra stuff to really stri things up and provoke!! Remember that these countries has funded more money in their/your pockets for the last two decades and made their/your life better, but please feel free to both leave our countries because of your belives and please do cut of the arm, that feeds your children and normal muslims around the world.
Such a sad picture this can be!!

Posted by: Butler05 at May 12, 2006 10:28 AM

Naseem:

Hey Naseem, Admit it!, you are several young men pretending to be a young muslim lady dreamer... But you ARE a bunch of muslim poofters who think they are straight as described by Chinubhai

Posted by: cosmicAvenger at May 12, 2006 10:29 AM

Re: "Destroy their buildings, make their ground shake and transform them into a sea of blood," said Hassan, dressed in military fatigues and a black turban, and holding an assault rifle."

Dude, that is sooo yesterday. Boring. BTW - the Western Standard published the cartoons, why is Canada missing from your list?

Posted by: johnb at May 12, 2006 10:31 AM

For decades Europeans in general have been buying into Muslim anti-semitic tactics, demonizing Israel and remaining silent when Jews have been attacked, and thus assisting in the Muslims' desire to finish what Hitler started.

The poisoned spider eggs are now hatching and Europeans will have to deal with the consequences.

Posted by: DesertDawgN29 at May 12, 2006 10:45 AM

I live in Dubai temporarily - i'm a 20yr old exchange student from Chicago, originally from India...

The Hindus withstood the Moghul onslaught that took 80 million innocent souls, but India took a nasty 20% infection in the process.

The Christians withstood first the Maghribian onslaught in the 8th century, and then the Ottoman onslaught in the 17th century, and lost major portions of the Balkans and Caucusus to the same awful infection.

The difference is, the Christians are nowadays spending their hard-earned cash money to import and enlarge its infection, to spread it as fast as possible; the Hindus aren't that stupid.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at May 12, 2006 10:58 AM

Chinubhai,

Your experiences mirror mine in Iraq, Turkey, Egypt, the Gulf and several other places in the Muslim world. Islam is extremely homophobic yet situational homosexual behavior is common. The occurance is too common for it to be an anomoly. Repression breeds addiction to that which is nominally despised.

Being the dominant aggressor in these cultures isn't forbidden, but being passive is considered an affront to the culture's hyper masculinity and is despised. A Morrocan friend told me that a dominant man is not considered a homosexual, but the passive one is and can be beaten or even killed if he does not perform to expectations.

Homosexual orientation is the natural condition or perhaps 3-5% of the human population.

Sexual repression breeds desperation, soul-crushing conformity, and hypocrisy in its victims.

Posted by: DesertDawgN29 at May 12, 2006 11:00 AM

Caroline, so true!

Maybe a positive effect on the West of all this Islamic hatred is a rebirth of churchgoing and faith in Christianity in Europe.

After all it was Christian values that had such an effect on the nature of the west and it's development of human rights.

The Muslim occupiers of churches, take full advantage of our virtues, we ignore the desecration of Catholic churches at our peril.

It seems that all other religions of the world are under assault from Islam.

In this, we can base a new global solidarity.

Posted by: El Cid at May 12, 2006 11:02 AM

Algerian rebels have threatened to strike U.S. Military bases in north Africa and the Sub-Sahara region.

"There are U.S. Military bases in Mali, Niger and two others are to be constructed respectively in Mauritania and Algeria ... They should know (Americans and local governments) that we won't keep our arms crossed," A statement on the Internet said.

The note was posted by the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC), Algeria's main rebel faction linked to al Qaeda. It was dated May 8 and signed by a top GSPC official, Mokhtar Belmokhtar, also known as Khalid Abu Al. (Reuters)

preaching and combat?..and the zombies complain about pat robertson,of course the hate america zombies may like this.

Posted by: storagemanager at May 12, 2006 11:06 AM

@DesertDawgN29: Unfortunately you're true about all you wrote about Europe. But there is a pro-American and pro-Israeli and anti-Eurabian opposition and we try everything to be heard.

@El Cid: churchgoing in Europe? Yes, going to church and celebrating Mohammad's birthday there... It's disgusting:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1055

Posted by: Eisvogel at May 12, 2006 11:08 AM

Destroy their buildings, make their ground shake and transform them into a sea of blood

Hey, waitaminute, that doesn't sound like a peaceful introspective internal struggle. I'm beginning to think CAIR has not been open and honest about this 'jihad' thing.

Posted by: special_guest at May 12, 2006 11:26 AM

They did it several times. It is recorded and is part of history. This 'sea of blood' thing. I know only of Indian cities. When the muslim invaded Indian cities, there was blood flowing in the streets. It is easy for them. Just unleash their barbarians into the cities and hack to death all and sundry. Though Indian survivors through the centuries have described the scene as "rivers of blood". I do not know what became of Persian cities,and of other countries they hit before India,but the fate would not have been different.The pattern of killing,described in kuran,has its stamp over centuries of brutality.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 12, 2006 11:29 AM

Elsvogel, I think that American solidarity with what is going on in Europe is important and in my limited way I try to promote it as well as solidarity with people of other faiths around the world.

I hope that Europeans would return to their churches, if not out of religious feeling but for respect of the cultural legacy of our common ancestors.

Same holds true for the great Museums and palaces, all in danger of destruction if Europe becomes Islamic. Or the technology all to be used for Jihad if the arsenals fall into Islamic hands.

As an aside, I saw the other day an excellent program on India's scientific legacy to the world, and to my delight, the authors stressed that Arabic numbers and the concept of zero came form India not the Arab world. it listed so many innovations that one associates with Islam but really were "borrowed" from India.

We can fight the ignorance of Islam by discovering our culture and the truth.

Posted by: El Cid at May 12, 2006 11:46 AM

In an UK company, Muslims and dhimmis wanted to have privileges - only the worshippers of Allah were supposed to have the right of praying in a reserved room...

(...)
The case of Royal Mail Group PLC versus Donald Holden, which was heard in the Manchester Industrial Tribunal on 9 and 10 March, pitted a large, wealthy corporation, with a multi-million pound turnover, against a sole individual, Donald Holden, whose only resources were his honest integrity and his dogged determination to stand up for his rights. Donald is a member of the Odinist Fellowship, and we were able to put him in touch with a first-class barrister, Adrian Davies, an observer member of the Fellowship, who, I have to say, made mincemeat of the Royal Mail’s witnesses in court. I, myself, was present on both days of the two-day hearing, and presented evidence as a witness on Donald’s behalf.

Whilst listening to the tribunal proceedings, I could not help thinking of Franz Kafka’s disturbing, German-language novel, “The Trial”, in which the hero gets embroiled in a surreal nightmare of paranoia-inducing, legal proceedings and insane bureaucracy. But by comparison with Kafka’s narrative, it is the Holden case, which reads like far-fetched, surrealist fiction. Yet, sadly, the sorry society, in which we live, produces such travesties week in, week out.

What are the facts of this case? Many of you will be surprised, as I was, to learn that, increasingly, employers with a large proportion of Muslim staff are being obliged to set aside rooms in the workplace for Muslim prayers, and to allow their employees to take time away from their duties to engage in these prayers. At the Mail Centre where Donald worked, there was just such a room, which was designated as a “Multicultural Room”. That is important, because never, at any time, did the Royal Mail claim that the Room was solely for Muslim use, or that non-Muslims might not use it for their own purposes.

And the simple point, that Donald was evidently trying to make is that he too, as an Odinist, and as a non-Muslim, had the right of access to the facilities, which, in theory, the management had set aside for all staff, but which, in practice, were being used as an exclusive Muslim Club Room. Donald had the audacity to enter the Room, as if he had an equal right to it as any other employee, in order to spend a few moments in silent prayer; and just as the Muslim employees used the Room to store their Korans and prayer calendars, Donald, himself, presumed to have the right to leave his sheets of paper, containing the text of our introductory booklet, “All About Odinism”, downloaded from the internet, and some images of Odin, in the Room, on a couple of plastic chairs placed next to a sink.

One item of evidence, which I have seen, is a book used to sign in and out for the key to this Multicultural Room. Donald’s visits to the Room were always of short duration, and mainly took place on a Saturday, when the Mail Centre was almost empty, and when his security duties obliged him to patrol the building to check all was in order. I was able to see for myself, that certain names and signatures, evidently belonging to Muslim employees, recurred time and time again in the signing-in book, sometimes three or four times in a single shift, and that the duration of their stay was often half an hour, or more. Some would call this “skiving”. It is true that pious Muslims are obliged to pray five times a day, and those times are usually considered to be dawn, morning, noon, evening and nightfall. So it seems remarkable that some of the Muslim employees were trying to fit them all into one shift. But the Royal Mail’s managers weren’t interested in that! They were more interested in what Donald was getting up to in the Muslim Club Room – sorry, Multicultural Room!

The man was obviously threatening the cosy arrangement between management, unions and Muslim leaders, that prevailed at the Mail Centre – and so he had to be stopped! An anonymous complaint was made – this goes back to October 2004 – to the effect that a muddy footprint had been left on the carpet of the Multicultural Room. What could this mean? There could only be one possible interpretation: quite clearly, the culprit had intended it as an attack on the Muslim religion. And not only was it, self-evidently, an anti-Muslim footprint, but on closer examination it became obvious that it must have been made by an anti-Islamic boot; and, no doubt, that anti-Islamic boot had been wielded by an Islamophobic foot. And who else could that Islamophobic foot belong to? The principal suspect had to be Donald Holden, of course! (...)

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Posted by: Viriato at May 12, 2006 11:46 AM

Viriato, that was very, very funny. Glad he won a "six-figure" judgement in the case. Praise be upon Odin.

Posted by: special_guest at May 12, 2006 12:11 PM

Viriato, that is unbelievable. A grand case of pre-emptive dhimmitude. The witchfinder-generals are stalking the land. I think the UK has had a lobotomy.

Posted by: Silvester at May 12, 2006 12:18 PM

Or should that be 'witchfinders-general'?

Posted by: Silvester at May 12, 2006 12:18 PM

Indeed, it is worrying when people start assuming, even without saying, that only Muslims have that sort of rights.

Posted by: Viriato at May 12, 2006 12:26 PM

It's intersting that this 'cartoon rage' just goes on and on. I wonder if the muslims know the concept of forgiveness? Does anybody know?

Posted by: seville844 at May 12, 2006 12:32 PM

CAUTION: Killer-Zombies on the loose!!!!! (And they are heading for YOUR hometown soon)!

Posted by: pythagoras at May 12, 2006 1:00 PM

I think the UK has had a lobotomy.

Yeah, they sent their ruling elite to a special summer camp in New Haven, Connecticut and everybody got real stupid.

That bearded Taliban dude emceed the graduation ceremony at the end of August and that was great.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at May 12, 2006 1:05 PM

"it is worrying when people start assuming, even without saying, that only Muslims have that sort of rights."

The problem with including Islam in the general pool of religious rights is that Islam, in its authentic essence, codifies and mandates intolerance toward all other religions. Thus, our very act of including Islam as an equal will lead (and already has led, here and there), in one form or another, to intolerance against other religions -- to the degree that we follow the logic of authentic Islamic requirements. Thus, we are forced to face an exigency that is an apparent paradox: in order to maintain optimum tolerance of multi-culturalist rights, we must exercise intolerance against Islam, and refuse to include it in our general pool of multi-culturalist rights.

This exigency has not yet been faced sufficiently by our Western societies: currently, our societies are practicing and enforcing a reverse paradox: in order to maintain optimum tolerance of multi-culturalist rights, we believe it is necessary to protect and coddle Islamic rights, which can and does tend to lead to intolerance against other cultural & sub-cultural groups or individuals; and worse still, seems to be leading toward a Western institutionalization (albeit in incomplete and incremental stages) of Islamic superiority over other cultures -- including facets of Western culture. Thus the dhimmitude of which Bat Ye'or and Robert Spencer speak.

Posted by: Television at May 12, 2006 1:05 PM

Naseem -- you either suffer from "Multiple Personality Disorder", or Naseem is really more than one person. How many women live beneath that burqa anyway?

Posted by: champ at May 12, 2006 1:35 PM

Another egregious pronouncement from a Moslem bully-boy. We're scarcely surprised any more.

However, who's the targeted audience? The world Moslem community? Certain elements within the world Moslem community?

In either case, wouldn't it be interesting if there were a Moslem watch-dog group, looking out for web sites such as the one Hassan used to make his pronouncements, in order to publicly encourage other Moslems to reject the call to violence? For instance, they could issue their own public announcement "As offensive as we find these cartoons to be, we categorically reject the call to violence on that basis..." etc. etc.

Any examples of such behavior should be publicly noted and encouraged. But I suspect that such public demonstration of moderation may put the speakers at risk.

Posted by: Chatillon at May 12, 2006 1:54 PM

"Elsvogel, I think that American solidarity with what is going on in Europe is important and in my limited way I try to promote it as well as solidarity with people of other faiths around the world."

Thank you, El Cid. Some of us try to do as well. I think the axis Europe-America-Israel is so important in the struggle against jihad, though unfortunately our political leaders - and a majority of the European people as well - don't show solidarity to America and Israel :-(

I'm very sceptical about churchgoing in Europe. Western Europa ( France, Germany) is atheistic in its majority - though there are of course many nominal Christians. And many of the remaining real Christians are good dhimmis, telling us and our children the story of the "religion of peace" and the need of a "dialogue" in the churches and the schools.

Islamization of Europe is on its way. I really hope that people finally wake up. But I'm pessimistic. But I hope that you, friends in America, will observe very well what is going on in Europe and at least save yourself from being islamized.

Good luck.

Posted by: Eisvogel at May 12, 2006 2:04 PM

Champ said

How many women live beneath that burqa anyway?

None. They're all blokes. This is the mean homophobic one. At 4:00 the tragic "my husband has been crushed, how could you say that?" one comes on. Then at 6:00 it's the reasonable "I hope you infidels act soon to stop Islam" guy's turn. Quite entertaining. Well, not really.

Posted by: special_guest at May 12, 2006 2:39 PM

If France and Norway get attacked by islamic terrorists, what are these Blair- and Bush-hating peaceniks going to say then. They won't be able to say "Britain suffered the 7/7 atrocity because of Iraq, and if only they'd stayed out, it wouldn't have happened". That will go out of the window, and it certainly would pull the rug from under the feet of Blairs' and Bushes' opponents, and it would surely leave nobody in any doubt that we had to fight Islam itself, and that we are in another war of annihilation against them. Morally, any atrocities carried out in Norway and France should spell the end of the kumbaya-singing PC peacenik.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at May 12, 2006 2:54 PM

You think they post sticky-notes with possible messages for the next shift on the edges of the monitor? Little reminders like "Amrika not America", "Remember to sound friendly", "pick up gallon of gin", etc?

Posted by: Eisenhund at May 12, 2006 2:57 PM

It makes me want to make a video of a koran floating in a sea of blood. Pig farmer, I have the camera if you can let me know when the next time you will process some hogs we can make a nice video. Fight fire with fire. It should take some heat off of the Danes and we can email it around the world. They can jihad the net, why can’t we?

Posted by: Ronin at May 12, 2006 3:12 PM

"If France and Norway get attacked by islamic terrorists, what are these Blair- and Bush-hating peaceniks going to say then."

Nothing different from what they are saying now.

If the terrorists blow up 100 people, there are about 1000 or 2000 relatives and friends who are shocked. That's a tiny mminority.

The majority does not personally know the dead and the hurted. Be assured: they will go on saying it's all Americas fault and all the fault of us Westerners being so "arrogant" and oppressive :-(

Posted by: Eisvogel at May 12, 2006 5:25 PM

This story has prompted me to head right on over to the store and buy the 64 pack of Crayolas.....

Posted by: DCWatson at May 12, 2006 8:14 PM

re homosexuality rife in Arab countries.

In the 80s I lived in the inner city of a western metropolis which was becoming a gay ghetto. ( not a derogatory term - its what the gay guys called it )

So many went on holidays to the ME. It was obvious they were sex tours. Find your own Omar Sharif ( or 10 ) in the casbah day or night and no pesky females to get in the way.

Posted by: protestcat at May 12, 2006 10:25 PM

It's not that these Muslims are upset about the Danish cartoons, they are merely using them to attack free speech in the West. That is their real agenda.

Posted by: corli at May 13, 2006 8:23 AM

I've got to be honest folks, it's getting kind of hard to keep track of all the things they're out to kill us for.

Posted by: RIslander at May 13, 2006 11:15 AM

Yo Yojimbo; I just read part of the link you suggested, it made my stomach hurt. Imagine being buried alive for something consenting adults agree on. I'm not gay ("not that there's anything wrong with it." [Seinfeld] )

Posted by: mustang65 at May 13, 2006 11:43 AM