If you are a criminal and fully understand sharia law and the brutality involved, why would any lawbreaker want to convert to islam?

Posted by: tgusa at May 12, 2006 12:04 PM

The criminal aspect of islam is very compatible to career criminals who will never change, because it fits their lifestyle. It condones their already bad behavior.

So...

if you're going to give criminals the ok to be a criminal by giving them access to the koran and imamms and other islamics , why don't they go ahead and put a pedophile in with kindergarten kids.

It's no different.

Posted by: freewoman at May 12, 2006 12:11 PM

The only reason a someone raised in the US would ever become a muslim is because they are an angry, self-hating westerner. It is a an act of resentment.

Domestic social outcasts signing up for jihad now is no different than the people who joined the Moonies or any of the Marxist liberation armys of the 70's. They were gonna stick it to 'the man.'

With the Cold War over, Islam has stepped up to fill in the shoes of former Marxists superpowers to battle Western liberal democracy for contol.
Only catch is, Islam is not a superpower.

Islam thinks it can become a united superpower of 1.2 billion, but as long as it contains an element within itself like the Wahabists it will never truly be 'one.'

With the Wahabists in Islam, there is no room for other points of view and so there will always be Sunnis killing Shias and blaming it on the Zionists-Crusaders when in fact they are there own undoing.

The Wahabists probably think they can crate a caliphate on their own terms and beat all other 'lesser' muslims into submission like the Taliban did. Shiia will not meekly submit to the Wahabist view of things.

Human nature > Dreams of one giant Muslim brotherhood

Posted by: GreatShaitan at May 12, 2006 12:25 PM

Actually, the only reason someone in any western society for that matter, not just the US.

Only said US above because the article deals with Folsom

Alas poor Folsom...what would Johhny Cash think
=(

Posted by: GreatShaitan at May 12, 2006 12:30 PM

Proselytizing in prisons is yet another reason that Islam must be legally decertified, within the territorial boundaries of the United States, as a recognized religion. Just because some foreign cultures treat an intolerant belief system as a "religion" does not mean we have to. It is suicidal to our Constitution and to our fundamental freedoms to behave as if Islam were some kind of benign force.

Until Islam is formally decertified as a religion, no bureucrat will be able to legally issue the necessary orders to stop this lunacy.

Posted by: Stendec at May 12, 2006 12:41 PM

Either we attach high-tech, permanently prosthetic surveillence equipment on these convicts when they are released or we don't release them and deploy them as permanent chain gang laborers in to-be established labor camps across the USA.

I don't think there's much else we can do with these people.

Posted by: pythagoras at May 12, 2006 1:54 PM

The Center's research (now confirmed by subsequent Senate investigations) has concluded that Muslim chaplains trained in and certified by Saudi-supported Wahhabi institutes in America have been accepted into our prison system by the Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP).

The other problem with the above article is the implication that Wahabi Islam is the issue, and other than that, everything is hunky dory with Islam. Nowadays, whenever I hear terms like Islamo-fascism, Wahabism, Islamist or even Fundamentalist-Islam, I get red flags because of the above implications.

And I agree with Stendec above. While the whole issue of introducing religion in prisons is controversial, allowing Islam in prisons is absolutely destructive. Sooner or later, Islam has to be classified as a cult rather than a religion in order to escape this mess.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 12, 2006 2:15 PM

Totalitarian movements have all too frequently looked to the prisons for recruitment to their causes. The Nazis did it, the Bolsheviks did it and the Moslems are doing it.

It makes all the sense in the world to recruit there. The anger, alienation, self-pity, psycho/sociopathology are all in place and need only be harnessed to the cause, a banner to unite under. "We've been victimized for so long! We're entitled to justice!"

Law-abiding citizens ignore these goins-on at their own peril.

Posted by: Chatillon at May 12, 2006 3:09 PM

Errata:

For "Wahhabism" read "Islam"
For "radical Wahhabi Islam" read "Islam"

No further corrections, your honor.

Posted by: Hugh at May 12, 2006 4:02 PM

Make that "goings-on."

One ignores one's spell checker at one's own peril.

Posted by: Chatillon at May 12, 2006 5:03 PM

Tgusa
Most criminals seem to want to associate with other criminals in a gang. Is there a larger,more dangerous criminal gang than islam?

Posted by: pismopal at May 12, 2006 5:42 PM

If you are a criminal and fully understand sharia law and the brutality involved, why would any lawbreaker want to convert to islam?

Because Islam itself is a criminal enterprise. Read the history of the salad daze way back in the Roaring Twenties (the 620s, that is) in Medina and you'll see a lot of overnight riches, freely available sex slaves, kiddie sex, and just plain old fashioned murder-for-fun group activities. Islam is a ball.

Why wouldn't a hardened criminal want to convert to Islam?

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at May 12, 2006 6:26 PM

Does anyone know if Mein Kampf, Neo-Nazi, or KKK (racist/hate) literature is allowed in prison? If not, why does the Koran get a pass?

Hitler was remiss to have not labeled his Nazi ideology a religion.

Posted by: Xero G at May 12, 2006 7:52 PM

Xero G says, "Hitler was remiss to have not labeled his Nazi ideology a religion."

Actually, some Nazi ideologists were planning just that. During World War II, Alfred Rosenberg drew up plans for what he called the "National Reich Church" which would, he hoped, be the new religion in Nazi Germany after they won the war:

* The National Reich Church is determined to exterminate irrevocably and by every means the strange and foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800.

* The National Reich Church has no scribes, pastors, chaplains or priests; but National Reich orators are to speak in them.

* The National Reich Church irrevocably strives for complete union with the state. It must obey the state as one of its servants. As such, it demands that all landed possessions of all churches and religious denominations be handed over to the state.

* The National Reich Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany as well as the publication of Sunday papers, pamphlets, publications and books of a religious nature.

* The National Reich Church has to take severe measures in order to prevent the Bible and other christian publications being imported into Germany.

* The National Reich Church declares that to it, and therefore to the German nation, it has been decided that the Fuhrer's "Mein Kampf" is the greatest of all documents. It is conscious that this book contains and embodies the purest and truest ethics for the present and future life of our nation.

* The National Reich Church will clear away from its altars all crucifixes, Bibles and pictures of Saints.

* On the altars there must be nothing but "Mein Kampf", which is to the German nation and therefore to God the most sacred book, and to the left of the altar a sword.

* The National Reich Church does not acknowledge forgiveness of sins. It represents the standpoint which it will always proclaim that a sin once committed will be ruthlessly punished by the honorable and indestructible laws of nature and punishment will follow during the sinner's lifetime.

* The National Reich Church repudiates the christening of German children, particularly the christening with water and the Holy Ghost.

Just think of it as "Nazi Sharia."

Of course, Germany lost the war and that was the end of the National Reich Church.

Posted by: Steven L. at May 12, 2006 8:16 PM

"If you are a criminal and fully understand sharia law and the brutality involved, why would any lawbreaker want to convert to islam?"
-- from a posting above

Taking property or the women of the Infidels is not a crime. In the absence of official Jizyah, this is the best one can do. The Infidels deserve it. And what's more, you can justify the activities that you have already been engaged in. Islam becomes a vehicle for the expression of alienation (no one understands me, everyone else is to blame, I hate Amerikkka, the System, etc.), and the perfect justification for such activities. Just don't commit any crimes against fellow Muslims, or ever take the Infidel state's side in anything. That would be a real crime.

Posted by: Hugh at May 12, 2006 9:28 PM

Recruitment of incarcerated offenders by organized Jihadi Muslim groups is a serious threat to the security of the nation. Nearly 2 million people are incarcerated in correctional institutions. Ninety five percent of them will be relased to a community near you. Offenders with criminal thinking, sex offenders, and drug addicts are recruited, brainwashed, and trained to become Jihadis. Islam with its closed system satisfy criminal needs of offenders. Most of the Imams working at correctional institutions are from the Arab Middle East, and Pakistan. They train incarcerated inmates and indoctrinate them with hostility, hatred and distorted political ideas. Once they are released, they act as Jihadi sleeping agents in the community. It is a potent danger. Saudi Arabia finaces for the training of Imams and distribute islamic literature for converted incarcerated offenders. It is time for security officials to take a serious look into the well orchestrated Islamic conversion campaign in U.S. prisons.

Posted by: babu Suseelan at May 13, 2006 5:19 AM

Using prisons as recruiting grounds by Muslim extremists is not exclusive to the U.S I'm afraid. The same has been going on in the UK as well. I remember reading an article not long back in the Mail on Sunday about a recruitment campaign going on in one of Britain's jails.
It's very worrying because Islam is being used as a shield by some people for terrorist activity, and this is not something I am sure the vast majority of Muslims would want to see happen.
No religion should be used as an excuse for murder.
I wondered if the authorities should perhaps consider separating known extremists in all prisons from the general prison population. This might lead to two prison systems but it is better than exposing other prisoners to an undesirable, unworthy and dangerous ideology.

Sarah.

Posted by: Virgo at May 13, 2006 6:43 AM

What's between the lines here is that those who are converted in prisons are mostly and I mean mostly African-Americans and it is purely a Racial announcement to the U.S., within islams hate of the western world comes with it hate for the white race and they use this to promote admission to islam.

Aggreeing with those that commented about nazi propaganda being distributed in prison or being allowed to propagate about it is probably not allowed and the koran should be banned as well because we all KNOW how it is supposed to end and that would be with our demise.

Posted by: chuck at May 13, 2006 7:53 AM

What effect does this conversion, from common criminal to common Mohammedan criminal, have on anal and oral intercourse rates? Any data?

Posted by: emet-veritas at May 13, 2006 10:37 AM

I have been saying the same crap for years before 9/11, the Muslim gangs in prison are worse than the regular ones and all this nonsense about Islam reforming convicts is just a front for training these criminal morons to be jihaders.

Posted by: Dumbo at May 14, 2006 1:34 AM

Convict Islam is a case of bad minds thinking alike; not the next major threat to American public security. These new Wahabbis will, after adopting all the poses of kuffeh, worry beads, prostrations, and the like exit prison--and then, full of Islamic "righteousness", be back behind bars within months for the same old assault, breaking and entry, narcotics distribution, or whatever.

Chuck, many blacks become Muslims in prison because (a) they're over-represented in the prison population and (b) there's a lot of nonsense out there about Christianity being the "white man's religion" and the slave trade being dominated by the--Who? Da Joooooooooooz.
Back in the Silly Sixties and Sillier Seventies, they made a lot of noise about Ilsam contributing to "black pride" back in the 1960's and 1970's, but all the petty thugs who made up the Black Panther Party and the like who went on to convert to Islam ended up dead at early ages due to the usual ghetto criminal activity or else ended up overaged losers.

Further, the Klan and neo-Nazis do a lot of recruiting among white inmates, too. There are some ugly histories paralelling the inmate-cum-Muslim ones among the Aryan Nations types, too. The violent will always be drawn to violence.

Posted by: Kepha at May 14, 2006 9:57 PM