MI5 infiltrated by Moslems?!

Dubya should send that FBI agent who refused to tape Sami over to London to look into this weighty matter.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at May 14, 2006 3:06 PM

I only just got a chance to sit down with the Sunday paper myself.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at May 14, 2006 3:13 PM

I seriously doubt MI5 has been "Infiltrated" by AQ.....

"a senior ministerial source has told the Sunday Mirror: "The truth is that it has now been discovered that some of those people have strong links with al-Qaeda."

Good! So they have caught some traitors!

Agents are like witnesses....a one way passage of info, no return discussion or comment. These punks will hardly be wondering around MI5 HQ willy-nilly. These operatives will be at the lowest level and this loose lipped crap has no value apart from selling a discredited tabloid.

Posted by: Turbinehead at May 14, 2006 3:39 PM

Infiltration : How Muslim Spies and Subversives have Penetrated Washington (Hardcover)
by Paul Sperry

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they should have bought this book!!!

Posted by: storagemanager at May 14, 2006 3:43 PM

Do these dolts in England have a clue? I know the CIA's track record isn't very good and it needs a top to bottom house cleaning but MI5 seems to be in even worse shape. It would be nice to think that MI5 was actually Machiavellian enough to have deliberately recruited these Al-Q types to come to them instead of having to track them down. Like those police stings where they send violent criminals with outstanding warrants a postcard telling them they've won a large prize and they only have to come to a certain location to claim it. But I'm betting that the boys at MI5 weren't that smart.

Posted by: GaryK at May 14, 2006 3:44 PM

.... and this after Paul Sperry documented Muslim Infiltration at:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1595550038/qid=1147635947/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-1810694-5887249?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

No, only idiots will argue that Paul Sperry wrote about US not about UK. Is ISLAM (Dubya's 'Religion of Peace' and Condi's 'Benevolence') limited by nationality?

Posted by: Alert at May 14, 2006 3:51 PM

I have been telling you people about how Muslims are retarding the American Intel-Community for over a year. No one cares and no one wants to care. Some will shake their heads in disapproval, but nothing will be done… Nobody, except for whistleblowers, will be ever brought to account for this. Most of my Christian friends who worked as Arabic linguists could not stand it and left it to Muslims thanks to the Dhimmis in government. After 911 overwhelmingly those who applied to help the government were non-Muslims… now true Muslims are the majority in many sites after they chased away and kept away infidels who escaped from Muslims lands far away from sensitive positions with help of Dhimmies and stupid Bush-like patriots who could not tell you the difference in their southern accents between an Araabb and a door knob.

Posted by: have_mercy at May 14, 2006 3:55 PM

Do these dolts in England have a clue?

Watch it Gary. Isaac Newton, the smartest dude in world history, was English. As was John Locke.

Yes, of course England is intent on civilizational suicide. But that's only cuz the truly smart Englishmen, and Englishwomen, have been silenced. Dial Marshall McLuhan to find out how.

MO HIJABS MO EYE SLIT SURRENDERIST CHICK INTELLECTUAL SLOBS MO MO MO MO

For the individual, Locke wants each of us to use reason to search after truth rather than simply accept the opinion of authorities or be subject to superstition. He wants us to proportion assent to propositions to the evidence for them. On the level of institutions it becomes important to distinguish the legitimate from the illegitimate functions of institutions and to make the corresponding distinction for the uses of force by these institutions.

Where is a good Englishman when you need one. No wonder the Moslems are overtaking London.

As I look over at my 30-06 over there on my threadbare couch in my dented mobile home, my mind can't help but to wander to the concept of distinguishedly using correspondent force against the institutions that have betrayed me, and my 3 children.

HARVARD YALE STANFORD GEORGETOWN USC CARNEGIE MELLON U. DEPRAVITY

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at May 14, 2006 4:01 PM

maybe bush will teach us all arabic!...slaves must be able to speak to the masters.

Posted by: storagemanager at May 14, 2006 4:02 PM

yes i was being sarcastic.

Posted by: storagemanager at May 14, 2006 4:04 PM

Islamic Jihad leader Sheikh Khaled el-Batsh on Sunday compared Defense Minister Amir Peretz to a "wild hawk," saying the Labor leader is "worse than his predecessor" Shaul Mofaz.

"He will be held responsible for his policy, because of which Israeli civilians will loose their lives in retaliatory attacks to be carried out by Palestinian resistance groups in response to the crimes in Jenin," he said. (Ali Waked)

Posted by: storagemanager at May 14, 2006 4:33 PM

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said on Sunday that if the United States attacked Iran in its dispute with Tehran over nuclear technology, the price of oil could soar to triple figures. (Reuters)

at the least,duh

Posted by: storagemanager at May 14, 2006 4:35 PM

Moving from Sheikh Khaled el-Batsh to Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez is like switching stalls in the Men's Room without so much as a wipe.

This is my fatwa. Happy Mother's Day.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at May 14, 2006 4:48 PM

sorry not really..........Speaking to IRNA on the sidelines of the EU-Latin America Summit, Chavez said, "We pray to `Allah' that no war would be launched against Iran!"
The Venezuelan President added, "We believe the Iranian nation's campaign is our own nation's, and we ask the world countries to respect Iran's independence."
He concluded stressing, "We are on the side of the Iranian nation and pray for President Ahmadinejad."
The EU-Latin America-Caribbean region Countries Summit began its activities on Thursday at ministerial level in Vienna.

The invited leaders to the conference are scheduled to attend the Summit meeting on Friday evening.

Posted by: storagemanager at May 14, 2006 5:08 PM

Turbinehead,
You've hit it on the head, Although it may look as though British Intelligence has goofed by recruiting subversives, they are very well aware of the intake and will use this to their advantage. They've been successful in the past in 'turning' those identified as the enemy into informers. Look how they infiltrated the leadership of Sinn Fein. Say no more, don't want the Muzzies cottoning on do we?

Posted by: western infidel at May 14, 2006 5:15 PM

Mr Chavez, on a two-day trip to the UK, called for a socialist new world order and said nations were cowards for not standing up to the "American empire".

Moreover, Iran has said it would attack Israel, and I know they have the wherewithal to do so.
terrible escalation and I do not know where it would end and I do not know who would get out the first nuclear bomb or how many people would die. No-one would be safe from this madness." (a child could see)why cant the president of the united states? (reuters story) folks...a bomb on our troops in iraq is not out of the question.i pray for them.

Posted by: storagemanager at May 14, 2006 5:47 PM

Listen here. Here in the UK there is a disease ever worse than avian flu, it is called "equal opportunities" it is also known as " positive discrimination". You get two candidates, one is native, degrees, clean criminal record, but white and male. big mistake.

The next candidate in none of these, he (or she) is usually referred to as "disadvantaged" or from a "disadvantaged community" in other words a lazy b****d who is not up to the job, but fills the quota nicely. British public services are all like this, they need a certain percentage of tokens to more or less act as ballast and weigh the service down.

Now. MI5 have for a while been targeting Muslims from these "disadvantages communities". The Al Qaeda sympathisers will have been pricking their pointy inbred ears up and applying like mad to get on these fast track promotion schemes. They know that from the inside they will have access to information, important information and perhaps even some form of advantageous influence.

How many people who speak up on the internet, in letters, in newspapers or on the radio will be in MI5 files, will these MI5 files then be on their way to Syria or Iran, Pakistan or Indonesia?

Even if there is a double bluff and the Security Services are rooting out and identifying traitors, they are playing with fire in my opinion. They are allowing access to people who should not be in the country, let alone employed by MI5.

Posted by: IceDragon at May 14, 2006 6:49 PM

Also I would like to add...

It is a bit like the days when they wanted people with information about the Soviet Union, they ended up with Guy Burgess, Donald McLean, Anthony Blunt and Kim Philby.

This (British) government really are prize idiots.

Posted by: IceDragon at May 14, 2006 7:00 PM

It is not merely Muslims who may be traitors. What should one make of those who, out of that mental condition known as antisemitism, represent a security threat to the West just as they did in the late 1930s? Or what of those who have been members of MI5 or MI6 and exhibited great sympathy for this or that local Jihad? One thinks of Alistair Crooke, the former agent who was, and remains, such a supporter of Hamas. Can he, should he, be trusted with any job in the security services -- or is he someone whom MI5 and MI6 should be watching, just as they should be watching all those who at one time or another have been on the Saudi or other Arab payroll, directly or indirectly. It is not hard to discover their names -- start, for example, by clicking a few names (start with "financially induced dhimmitude" or with such names as "Sir Alan Munro" and "Archie Lamb" and "Oliver Miles") and "Jihad Watch" and go from there. Or, in France, with such names as "Roland Dumas" and "Jacques Chirac." And in the United States, such recipients, direct or indirect, of Arab money as "George Bush, Sr." and "Jimmy Carter" and "Bill Clinton" and "Fred Dutton" and "Raymond Close" and "John C. West" and "Crawford Cook" and....well, that's a start.

Posted by: Hugh at May 14, 2006 8:21 PM

British Intelligence. Now there's a contradiction in terms. We have a Ministry of Defence (and that's a laugh) that is so pro-Arab that it cannot bring itself to accept training at its schools for potential officers from non-moslem nations such as Tonga and South Africa, and a Foreign and Commonwealth Office that is so pro-moslem that it is incapable of giving advice from any other point of view - ask the new Foreign Secretary, Margaret Beckett, just what she has been told about the moslem nations and their relations with the UK. Her publicly available briefing papers are the biggest single act of dhimmitude that I have ever seen.

I hate to have to say it, but the entire British Government has simply caved in to the moslem line - probably, I must admit, because that is the last bottom that sat on it, but more than likely because most British politicians are intent on only one thing: feathering their own nests.

The three words 'honesty', 'probity', and 'politician' simply do not go together in 21st. century Britain. If you doubt me then ask yourself this: "Have I ever met, or heard of, a poor retired British politician?" Of course you haven't. It's unthinkable.

And then check up on the number of retired British politicians whose companies have dealings with the moslem world! Go on, Google any British politician's name from the last thirty years and you will find a man, or woman, who is deeply in thrall to the moslem world - financially, personally and, in some cases, religiously.

The UK is a country of huge contradictions and even larger blindnessess. Here and now, in my opinion, we are being blind to the very people who are selling us out. It isn't that we are selling our soul, it's simply that these greedy charlatans have already sold it for us - to the moslems.

For most of us MI5 is a joke. They couldn't organise their way out of a paper bag and, as a Scottish friend of mine said to me, recently, "I've seen mair brains in a false-face (guizer's mask)." Most British people have no trust in either the Government's, or the so-called Security Services', ability to protect us. We just get on with our lives and hope for the best knowing that the people we have elected are a bunch of incompetent wazacks whom we don't, and could never, trust. I doubt if anybody even believes a word that they say, anymore - and if anybody does then they need their bumps felt.

I'm only a very young man but even I know better than to believe a word that any British politician says. You can always tell when they are lying - their lips move. We choose, at each election, between different sets of lies - we all know it but we keep doing it. It's kind of compulsive, you just can't believe it and feel sure that the more often you vote the more likely it is that a truth will emerge. Rubbish, of course, but you can't help yourself. Democracy, or the shadow of it as we have here, is addictive.

Most people seem to know that our Government and our Civil Service is deeply compromised and penetrated by the enemies of our state but most of us have given up caring for we can recognise a battle lost when we see it. The number of people turning out to vote is falling rapidly in this country. We are not idiots and large numbers of us are simply giving up - me amongst them! I won't vote again, and didn't bother voting in this month's local government elections, because, as the badge I wear says "Don't vote, it just encourages them".

Some people still think that we can win. Some people are still positive about the future, but then, some people still believe that the Earth is flat. Britain is already a moslem nation where you have to be very careful about what you say and do so as not to give offence to the moslems in any way - and most of that is enshrined in law. Eurabia as the future - rubbish, it's here now. Somehow, when we weren't looking, we lost. The only difference between the UK and a dead man is that the corpse of the UK hasn't stopped twitching yet. If you don't believe me then come here and see for yourself.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at May 14, 2006 11:11 PM

"There was always a risk that with such a speedy and widespread recruitment some would turn out to be bad eggs."

Tell me this is satire. Peculiar British satire.
I like the story about the Jesuit conspiracy best.
This story stinks like rotten eggs.

Posted by: the poetess at May 14, 2006 11:51 PM

necessitasnonhabetlegem said

the people we have elected are a bunch of incompetent wazacks whom we don't, and could never, trust. I doubt if anybody even believes a word that they say, anymore

Nobody votes for them, but they keep getting elected. And on both sides of the pond, I might add.

Reminds me of what Yogi Berra said about a restaurant: "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded".

Posted by: special_guest at May 15, 2006 1:28 AM

No Dominic, it's not over. The fight has hardly begun.

Do you really think that you're so alone?

There are men and women in British intelligence, MI-5 and MI-6, who know what needs to be done, but their hamstrung by their political overseers. But as they were hamstrung, it's also possible that they be UN-HAMstrung.

The process of political correctness and multi-culturalism has taken years to be created, but every single train bombing, every single Madrid, every single Beslan, every single one of those damn snuff videos the killers put out on the internet, swells the ranks of people like you, who want to take your country back, who want your intelligence services to be sharp, and equal to the challenges.

This war has hardly started.

Times looked bleak for Great Britain in the '30s, didn't they?

Look at how hard Churchill had to struggle just to keep your country in the war after the collapse of the French Army. Halifax was eager to enter into discussions with the Germans. And just about the only one who was determined to fight was Churchill.

No, your country has been too much to be so rapidly surrendered to her enemies.

So what should you do? Resolve to fight, I don't mean necessarily physically, I mean mentally, by being witty, sharp, savvy, informed, more informed than your opponents, and by being relentless, absolutely relentless, eager for mental combat, eager to mix it up intellectually. And always in command of your temper, and always ready with a witticism.

And start informing your friends, your family members, start leaving around copied articles from a magazine maybe, copies from webpages you found informing. Research the long interaction between the Catholic Church and islam. THAT'S nothing but a story of war and contestation. Learn how islam undermined the Byzantine Empire, and the churches in the East.

And with these facts, begin to engage your MPs. Show up when they appear near your home, and fire off a few queries at 'em. Ask something like "Sir, jihad has a 1,300 plus year history, where and how does that history inform our policy in relation to islam, and specifically, how does it inform our policy regarding Tehran's pursuit for the bomb?"

Sure, there are plenty of reasons for frustration and despair. I know. Yes, I know. But Great Britain isn't something to be easily yielded, in fact, it isn't something to be yielded at all. How great the forces arrayed against you, whatever the odds, do battle. And never yield an inch.

And by doing so, you and the many allies you have in Great Britain, will surely, but slowly began to carry the battle. You've already managed to avoid the Euro, you've already managed to avoid succombing to the Franco/Germanic axis and the E.U. Constitution. You've won some enormous victories of late, and now, buoyed by that realisation, you need to struggle on.

"The hopes and prayers of liberty loving people everywhere, goes with you...."

Posted by: Dan at May 15, 2006 2:55 AM

Doesn't surprise me in the least. But there's no need for any subversion when Ramadan, Sacranie and other Islamists receive the prominence and feting they do in British society and are even invited to cabinet meetings of the British Government

Posted by: londongirl at May 15, 2006 4:47 AM

Common sense seems to have been chucked in the bin.

Why don't they employ arab christians ?
Or Sikh/hindus who understand urdu ?

Common sense.

Anyway slightly O/T a good way of getting info to police officers is to collect it from residents magazines. The neighbour hood watch officer will normally list his e mail address also you can get them from notices at small suburban train stations.
If you e mail them stories such as this the slowly word will get out, e mails will get forwarded.
Regards
AI

Posted by: apostate_islam at May 15, 2006 5:06 AM

In a drive to show muslims that we are not islamaphobic MI5 have actually decided to INCREASE the campaign of "postive discrimination" for muslims. This is since the release of the report into the 7/7 bombings released last week. They intend to put adverts in all major papers asking for minority groups to apply. If I was a jihadists I'd be wringing my hands with glee at the moment. I bet they are busy recruiting nice fresh jihadists with no obvious links to get past the vetting procedure.

Posted by: DaveMate at May 15, 2006 9:07 AM

Many years ago, when I was in high school, I had a nightmare that Queen Elizabeth II was publicly executed (by beheading). I didn't think much of it at the time, although it was certainly vivid enough.

Don't get me wrong. I have great respect for this wonderful lady!! In fact I possess GREAT RESPECT for her. And I wish her only the best.

But reports as this of al-Qaeda infiltrating the M-15, and Europe's succumbing to dhimmitude do not inspire confidence. Could such a thing really happen?

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN (from al-Qaeda!).

I truly hope this terrible dream was nothing more than that--a terrible dream.

Posted by: pythagoras at May 15, 2006 2:39 PM

The Dhimmi collaborators could already be within the the system, the Police, Civil Service, NHS (Shipman eat your heart out), armed forces, and local government. They will have themselves and their leftist allies well embedded.

Posted by: IceDragon at May 15, 2006 5:28 PM

Dominic--

I've always wondered if you Brits kept the Monarchy around as some sort of fail safe in case the politicians managed to screw things up completely. But, if all the tawdry tabloid drama surrounding your Royals is to be believed, they're in no better shape than your politicians. By the way, politicians here in the U.S. are no better than yours. England could really use someone as determined, smart and ruthless as Elizabeth I right about now.

Posted by: GaryK at May 15, 2006 6:01 PM