This is just more of the same old abominable stuff. Qaradawi is a horrid individual, but he is quite representative of other Islamic clerics. Nothing outside of Islam can be tolerated in the long run. Even dhimmitude, as defined, is only an interim step on the road to Islam or death for non-believers. Why does no one take such proclamations seriously?

Posted by: Worry at May 14, 2006 7:59 PM

What Hamas has been asked to do is merely utter some words that will satisfy, in the most obviously unsatisfactory manner, the minimum demands of those who see nothing wrong with what is nothing more than the payment of Jizyah. Why are American and European Infidel payments to the local Arabs renamed, after 1967, the "Palestinians," but in reality those "Palestinians" are merely the Arab shock troops, plausibly decked out as a "nationalist" movement (nonsense), in the Lesser Jihad against the Infidel state of Israel.

Such aid is a classic form of Jizyah in every sense. First, it is is a payment from Infidels (Americans, Europeans) to Muslims. It is a payment made for which those Muslim recipients feel not the slightest gratitude, but regard as theirs by right, as owed to them by the Infidels. Indeed, the merest hint that such payments might end sends those Muslim Arabs into a paroxysm of rage, as if such aid was not aid at all, but the tribute that simply must be paid by those Infidels. Finally, the Infidels themselves are afraid to discontinue such payments, and are trying desperately to find every possible way they can not to end them, but to continue them -- including accepting mere words that obviously are not meant, and that, because of the belief-system of Islam, cannot be meant. But Infidel governments cannot tell their long-suffering taxpayers that those who run those governments have undertaken to commit to paying this Jizyah without the permission of the taxpayers who are, unwittingly, now -- and for some time have been -- the real payers of such Jizyah.

Many Infidels in the Western world have a better sense of things than the ignorant (because they lead lives of hectic vacancy and have no time to study Islam), corrupt (because it is officials, and former officials, who are the ones whom the Saudis and other Arabs pay to promote the Arab and Muslim cause in various ways), and often implicated, in ways they cannot now admit to themselves or to the electorate, that they allowed millions of Muslims into the Lands of the Infidels, and what's more have failed completely to plan and execute, as should have been done starting in 1973, an energy policy designed not to achieve the meaningless (if perhaps psychologically appealing) goal of "independence from Middle Eastern oil" but rather the goal to diminish the total revenues of Muslim states, so that there is nothing left over for funding mosques, madrasas, an army of Western hirelings, purchases of military equipment and advanced technology -- in short, nothing left to fund those conducting Jihad world-wide, in a hundred different local theatres.

Our governments are forcing us to pay the Jizyah. In Italy, in France, in England, in Germany, in Spain, in Denmark, in Norway, in Holland, in every country of the E.U., taxpayers are being forced to pay the Jizyah. And they are being forced to do so as well in the United States.

If a single Congressman can be made to understand that these payments to the "Palestinians" are a classic Jizyah, and can articulate that, and hammer it home, he can stop it, and could be the leader of a new group -- not defined as Democrats, or as Republicans, but as those who see things clearly. And that is what everyone is longing for.

Posted by: Hugh at May 14, 2006 8:15 PM

Islam seems like a greedy kid who wants all the icing flowers on the birthday cake.

Posted by: baraka66 at May 14, 2006 8:35 PM

i got news for you mohammad.israel has an owner who never sold it....thus saith the LORD unto you,be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude.for the battle is not yours,but GODS....allah needs an army....GOD does not..

Posted by: storagemanager at May 14, 2006 8:35 PM

I am afraid that our leaders in the United States have not really come to terms with Islam. We still hear twadle about Islam being the religion of peace, etc. The 9/11 hijackers did not hijack Islam, but represented a predominant current within Islam that is growing in strength day by day.

Posted by: Worry at May 14, 2006 8:37 PM

I think we will continue with the Jizyah payments either through our purchases of petroleum or government aid. This is really an intolerable situation. We are aiding regimes with some of the most retrograde and reactionary social systems on the planet. Why can't a woman drive in Saudi Arabia? Is it right that Iran can lash people for alcohol consumption, and not only for public drunkeness?

Posted by: Worry at May 14, 2006 8:48 PM

Arabs speak in terms of grains of sand.

From where I sit, we talk is of chunks of black soil.

Grain of sand. Fallow. Arabs. Islam (aka Submission).

Chunks of black soil. Fecund. JudeoChristians. Freedom.

As barrister Johnny Cochran once asked: doest that make sense?

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at May 14, 2006 8:52 PM

I saw this Palistinian expert on C-Span, and someone asked him about Egyptians providing more help for the PA. He pointed out [ now keep in mind the Palistians are suppossed to be this oppressed population and the Egyptians relatively " liberated " under the rule of Islam ] that the per capita income of the Palistians is TWICE that of the average Egyptian!

As for the more affluent Arab countries, they seem to content to just stand around and watch their muslim brothers and sisters wallow in poverty and dispare. Such is their boundless compassion and mercy as dictated by Allah.

What about zakat for the average Egyptian? The billions a year going to them is left up to the evil American infidels to provide. Not to mention who keeps the PA it's self afloat is likewise evil infidels and zionist.

In the 'logic' of international muslim community, it is the very hands that feed it's oppressed populations that MUST be cut off! And when that happens and the oppressed muslims are left to die a slow horrible death THEN the boundless mercy and compassion of Allah will obtain a new level of glory!

Turning the entire globe into one big Darfur would be the result of the present jihadist movement. A movement that includes most muslim governments in power today. That is what they are colaborating and conspiring to inflict on all of humanity.

---Nossy

Posted by: Nostrodamus at May 14, 2006 9:00 PM

Quaradwi never beat around the bush: He is one of the 'honest muslims'- and he always pushed this line. This article is certainly nothing new. But it just might be the case that finally, at long last, somebody in the US-administration or in Europe, or in Australia, finally gets the message and stands up to protect us from this evil.

Like Hugh sez:

If a single Congressman can be made to understand that these payments to the "Palestinians" are a classic Jizyah, and can articulate that, and hammer it home, he can stop it, and could be the leader of a new group -- not defined as Democrats, or as Republicans, but as those who see things clearly. And that is what everyone is longing for.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 14, 2006 9:13 PM

AT last the evidence from the horse's mouth of the NATURE OF THE WAR ON ISRAEL!.
but do not be fooled into believing the west will accept it. modern secularism refuse to accept any religious reasons for warfare against it or against Israel. Instead such reasons must be rewritten in secular,self blame fashion and allusions to imperialism and "eppression of muslims", and so on.
western Religion which supports the last pillars of western morality and prevents our return to barbarism, must be chipped away, castrated and rendered superfluous to the modern age.
Our inabilty to distinguish between right and wrong,morality and immorality, justice and injustice,grows by the day.
lies, amoral equivalence and distortions are willigly acceped as Faith.
Al durah, Jenin “massacre”,Deir yassin or shatilla are about faith not fact. They are pillars in the demonization of israel.
Supplying contrictatory proof will only anger even more the doyens of liberal Journalism resulting in more blood libels. lies and demonization of Israel, which has become an psycholigical malaise in the western press and academe.
The jew and israel is damned as never before by secular hatred which seems even more potent that the old religious antisemitism of the nineteeth century.
Where is the new Emile Zola and the brilliant "J'accuse"?
Today Dreyfus would never be exonnerated, because the collective conscious created by religion can no longer be appealed to.

Posted by: chevalier de st george at May 14, 2006 9:27 PM

Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’: Qaradawi

Those in Israel and elsewhere who believe that "land-for-peace initiatives" will bring peace in our time are playing Stepin Fetchit in this dark comedy and will one day see ethnic cleansing in Tel Aviv that will make Darfur look like children playing at jihad.

Perhaps it is time to evict the West Bank of its "Palestinians" and replace them with black Africans from besieged Darfur. That would be a land for peace deal worth all the pain inflicted in Darfur and it would bring security to Israel. It would be just compensation for the heartbreak that has been wrought by people like Qaradawi in Darfur.

It's a dream. But sometimes dreams come true. Perhaps what I write here is a posted handwriting on the wall warning for Jihadists.

Posted by: Frank at May 14, 2006 9:32 PM

Today Falastin, tomorrow Andalus and the lands of Rum. Moderate, my eye!

Posted by: Kepha at May 14, 2006 9:38 PM

and for this cause GOD shall send them strong delusion,that they should believe a lie.

Posted by: storagemanager at May 14, 2006 10:14 PM

'Scuse me. Can I have quick reality check here? Can somebody please tell what planet this is? I seem to be labouring under the misaprehension that this is 21st. century Earth.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at May 14, 2006 11:21 PM

"We are not slaves to the Americans,..."

Of course they're not.

Slaves don't sit on their collective asses, whining like spoiled children.

Slaves actually have to WORK.

Posted by: Eisenhund at May 15, 2006 1:36 AM

...and they don't get to just pick up and leave whenever they want, and they don't usually have assault weapons and semtex, etc.

Posted by: Eisenhund at May 15, 2006 1:38 AM

I got news for you mohammad.israel has an owner who never sold it....thus saith the LORD unto you,be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude.for the battle is not yours,but GODS....allah needs an army....GOD does not.. Posted by: storagemanager

Isn’t the same god, who let 10 tribes to vanish?
Isn’t the same god, who let distraction of the first temple?
Isn’t it the same god, who let distraction of the second temple?
Isn’t it the same god, who let Israel to vanish?
Isn’t it the same god, who let the jews suffer during the middle ages?
Isn’t it the same god, who let expulsion of jews from most european countries?
Isn’t it the same god, who let the jews live in ghettos without any basic rights?
Isn’t it the same god, who let 6 ml jews to perish in the concentration camps during the wwII?
I can go on and on, but you know the story.
Jews were prosecuted not for the lack of faith, but for the faith itself.
Rabbis in Poland advised the communities to rely on god, instead of fleeing the germans. Those who flee – survived, those who had faith – perished.
What a low self-esteem one should have to rely on any god and especially on one with such a record?!

Posted by: pong at May 15, 2006 3:55 AM

The first and second temples got distracted?

With all that "low self-esteem", those Jews had the gall to survive through all that?

How dare they?!

You're right. If they'd had high self-esteem, they'd have given in a long time ago, and there wouldn't be any of those pesky Juden running around mucking things up by surviving two millennia of persecution from every side, everywhere they went.

Your ball doesn't quite make it over the net, does it pong?

Posted by: Eisenhund at May 15, 2006 4:28 AM

Eisenhund,
If you did not right my name, I would not think it was about my post.
I was righting about god and pointed to those who survived in relation to their faith.
Self-esteem again refers to faith.
If you think my “ball did not make it over the net”, yours can not be seen at all.
You seem to disagree with something, could you, please, let us know what your disagree with.

Posted by: pong at May 15, 2006 5:13 AM

-pong,

Seemed pretty obvious to me, but if you need it explained, fine. You seem to be drawing parallels between people having faith in their deity and that being the cause of their demise, that having that faith indicates low self-esteem on their part, and that the Jews who did flee lacked faith. Good sense or the lack thereof neither indicates nor contraindicates the existance of a god. My point was that despite all of what you mentioned, maybe due to the fact that they did make it through all of it, they still seem to have faith and they've survived as a people and a culture. Maybe they think God isn't a micromanager, and having given humans free will, he cannot just stick his hand in when something bad happens. Maybe they think that the troubles they've endured weren't the doings of God, but rather the evil of man. You'd have to ask someone who's Jewish. I'm not, and I'm not going to claim to know why they believe what they believe. If you have a problem with them, that's your trip.

Just because some rabbis gave bad advice, doesn't mean that the people who chose a different path lacked faith. Rabbis are teachers and leaders and do not claim to be prophets. If you meant something different, maybe you could state it differently. If you meant what I think you did, my response was pretty clear. Sometimes misunderstanding is the fault of the one who makes the statement, not of the one who misunderstands. Having something make sense in your head doesn't guarantee that it will in everyone else's.

And sometimes, its as simple as someone just not agreeing with you.

Posted by: Eisenhund at May 15, 2006 6:36 AM

In any case, I hope that clears things up. I don't intend on having a protracted back-and-forth over it. Things tend to degenerate into uncivil tones, especially when I participate ;-)

Posted by: Eisenhund at May 15, 2006 6:40 AM

"Today Falastin, tomorrow Andalus and the lands of Rum"

They already today encourage small children to get back Al Andalus:

http://www.spainherald.com/2414.html

Perfectly analysed, Hugh! We indeed do not pay voluntary aid but nothing else than Jizya to "Palestine".

"If a single Congressman can be made to understand that these payments to the "Palestinians" are a classic Jizyah, and can articulate that, and hammer it home, he can stop it, and could be the leader of a new group -- not defined as Democrats, or as Republicans, but as those who see things clearly. And that is what everyone is longing for."

But I am sad and sorry to tell you, that the above may be true for the USA but not for Europe.

During the Euro-Arabian dialoge since the middle of the 1970s Europeans have been brainwashed. Actually there are Europeans who are longing for that as well. I myself do so for excample. I don't know how many Europeans, but I am sure, we are a minority - perhaps not a small one, but a minority!

The majority of Europeans LOVE to pay this Jizya, because their brains are filled up with that shit of the "poor and oppressed Palestenians suffering from land robbery and slavery by the evil Zionists"

Europe is probably already lost. I hope the USA will wake up in time.

Posted by: Eisvogel at May 15, 2006 7:14 AM

Now there is a true oxymoron... a congressman that sees things clearly, especially where the Middle East and Israel are concerned.
Bible prophecy says in the last days there will a loss of the ability to understand. Many individuals have a grasp of world affairs where Islam, Israel,and the rest of the world is concerned; however, I can't think of a single government entity that has any real clue as to what is happening.
I guess what we are witnessing is called spiritual blindness.
Whatever one calls it, it is frustrating to see how the powers-that-be ignore what is so obvious to so many others.

Posted by: cactus at May 15, 2006 8:26 AM

Some info that expands on this particular area of concern...

Although the Mohammedan nations of the Middle East are MORE than capable of either absorbing the "Palestinian refugees" within their own borders, or at least financially supporting their 'Mohammedan (pbuh) brothers and sisters', they CAN NOT. To do so would actually be tantamount to admitting Israel's legitimacy as a nation in her own right. So, while the West pays, the Mohammedan argument stays.

The "Palestinians" were originally 'driven' out (!!!) of Israel by the Arabic war cry of Egypt, Jordan and Syria, who were promising to reduce the land 'stolen' by the Jews to dust and rubble. If you wonder what that might look like, check out The Lebanon today. Pbuh. The fact that these mighty warriors of Allah were utterly trounced by Israel, in "that" war which Islam tends to not mention, plays NO role in current Mohammedan thinking on how the “Palestinian” refugees came to be (all 400,000 of them, lest we forget). As a matter of fact, I suspect that my dearly departed goldfish had a longer memory span. BUT, because of the mind-numbing twisting and turning of the past 30 odd years (with the likes of Yasir Arafat at the Mohammedan helm) LEADING ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE, we can safely draw one conclusion:

"Wherever the blood (or semen?) of Allah's slaves has been spilled, this sand then belongs to Allah.” That’s all, folks. THAT is the total sum of Mohammedan logic. It is the essence of the nightmarish détente we now live with in regards to the Middle East, Iraq, Afghanistan and the ever-widening pockets of sand where Mohammedan blood and semen is spilled in the lands of Europe, the US and other Infidel countries. What is the solution?

Prove the Mohammedans wrong. To do this, we must first provide for each of them an extra 64 megabytes of RAM, to help them remember beyond a mere 3 seconds, especially when there is a power-cut. (And hence lift them slightly higher in the Order of life on earth than their current cockroach status). Then, we must EDUCATE them in some simple truths:

First and foremost, Mohammed and Allah are ONE. The Q’ran says so. Any arguments to the contrary should be flatly rejected. No discussion, no debate, no argument. Mohammed, that insane, murderous, illegitimate son of a hyena, who forgave no-one anything, adopted one of his (murdered by him) family’s heirlooms to be ‘The god’ (Allah) above all the other minor rocks that his (now-beheaded) family once cornered the religious market on (Harrod’s?). He stuffed Allah inside that rock (genie of the lamp?) while it was “pure white”. That rock is still worshipped by the faithful. It is securely tucked into the eastern corner of the monstrosity known as the Ka’aba. Google on why that pure-white rock turned black… (has something to do with “menstruating women” and I kid you not!)

Mohammed conquers only when the “enemy” sleeps. The Crusades prove my point and, to bring a real giggle to this “thorn in Islam’s side”, most Crusaders were mercenaries and not “Christians”! But right now, I would vote for any mercenary (however bloodthirsty) before I vote for an apologist of Islam… And I don’t sleep.

Mohammedans are genuinely afraid of Israel. This is perhaps their only saving grace, in that they are wise enough to know that there is this tiny country that is FULLY aware of being completely surrounded by serpents with fangs dripping the poison of the religion of peace. Why dripping and not striking? Because the ‘peace-loving Mohammedans’ know damned well that Israel (all be herself) WILL make the whoopin’ on them if they take that one step too many. Israel WILL go nuclear, and the Mohammedans KNOW it. The question is: Which step will be the one too many?

So they yank at our heart-strings instead, hoping against hope that we, also, might have only a 3 second memory. Our apologists would suggest this possibility. But I am running with 1 Gigabyte of RAM and a UPS, as are an increasing number of Infidels; and Western thinking can stay ahead of the times. That is why Pentium III’s are now considered dinosaurs.

Posted by: maranatha50 at May 15, 2006 9:53 AM

Sometime today the body of a 16 year old American will arrive in Florida. He was killed by Islamic Jihad, which is supported and protected by the Hamas government of the PA.

Posted by: teachingmyown at May 15, 2006 12:03 PM

This position shows that even the Muslims now are in complete rebellion against the one TRUE God, who gaved the land since Bible times to the Jewish people.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at May 15, 2006 1:09 PM

1930s alert

Hitler - "Wherever there lives a German - that's Germany."

Why we never learn.

WC
http://the-gathering-storm.blogsource.com/

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 15, 2006 1:43 PM

!Espero que el Zapatero Real, primer ministro de Espanha, sepa que --segun el mismo Qaradawi-- el-Andaluz tambien es la propiedad de los musulmanes! Y por las mismas razones.

Posted by: Eliyahu at May 15, 2006 5:22 PM

If the Israeli Jews in government said anything like what Qawadari does ("not one grain of sand that is historically Israel can ever be conceded") the dhimmi world would howl its execrations at the "imperialistic Zionists".

Or, like Meir Kehane, they would be assassinated as "too radical".

See-

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/007917.php

When does Qawadari's predator drone arrive to balance the equation?

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 15, 2006 5:36 PM