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I think it's plausible that someone who doesn't know America very well might mistake a school bus for a public bus. But why was one of them wearing a trench coat, in May, in Tampa, Florida? Why did they keep changing their story about why they wanted to go to the school? And why did they originally say they were from Morocco instead of admitting they were Saudis? And why has their bail been revoked (which detail comes from the Rottweiler, not the Trib story) if this were just a case of boarding the wrong bus?
"Saudi Men Who Rode School Bus Arrested," from the Tampa Tribune, with thanks to The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler, who suspects this was a test run for Beslan-in-America:
TAMPA - Two Saudi men were arrested Friday after they boarded a school bus and rode to Wharton High School in New Tampa.Students on the bus became alarmed, as did the bus driver, who called ahead. Hillsborough County sheriff's deputies met the bus at the school and detained the men. No one was injured and nothing out of line occurred on the bus, deputies said.
Mana Saleh Almanajam, 23, who lives in Apt. 302 in The Point apartments, and Shaker Mohsen Alsidran, 20 Monticello Gardens, Apt. 304-A, each were charged with trespassing on school property. Both remained in Orient Road Jail on Friday evening. Bail for each was set at $250.
"Both defendants gave several versions of the reason they took a school bus to a high school," said Hillsborough County sheriff's spokesman J.D. Callaway.
"They said they wanted to go to Wharton to look around, and then they said they wanted to go there to have some fun, and then they said they wanted to enroll in the English classes there," Callaway said.
"We're not sure if this was a situation of them just being new to this country, or if they were confused or what it was," Callaway said. "We were unsure as to exactly what the final reason was, but it did cause great concern for the students on the bus and for us. One of the guys was wearing shorts with a black trench coat."
While on the bus, the men laughed and spoke in Arabic, Callaway said.
Ahmed Bedier, Tampa director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations said the men likely meant no harm and that because "they were from Saudi Arabia, that escalated the situation."
He blamed the incident on cultural differences.
"They didn't differentiate between a school bus and public transportation," he said.
The bus picked up the students and the men at about 7 a.m. Friday at the corner of Fletcher Avenue and 42nd Street, deputies said.
The bus driver, a substitute, reached her supervisors by telephone. They relayed the information to Wharton High resource Deputy Mike Eastman, who met the bus when it arrived at school at about 7:30 a.m., and detained the men.
The sheriff's Homeland Security Division, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement's Regional Domestic Security Task Force, Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the FBI all were notified.
Almanajam and Alsidran at first told deputies they were from Morocco, but later admitted being from Saudi Arabia, deputies said. They said they were enrolled at the English Language Institute at the University of South Florida.
Both arrived in the United States about six months ago and have student visas that require them to be enrolled at the English Language Institute, Callaway said.
Authorities searched the apartments of the two men and found nothing of concern, he said.
Do they know what to look for?
Posted by Robert at May 21, 2006 8:10 AM
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http://www.theodoresworld.net/archives/2006/05/saudi_men_arrested_after_bus_r.html
The above link has pictures of the two men as well as the story.
Posted by: fireangel![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.jihadwatch.org/nav-commenters.gif)
at May 21, 2006 8:48 AM
I know what they were doing. A dry run for an attack on school buses now. That is what they were doing.
Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 21, 2006 8:52 AM
What are they doing here to LEARN English. I'm sure they could learn that in Saudia Arabia. And I don't believe they boarded the bus thinking it was public transportation. They were here for months and didn't know the difference. Right. There was a purpose behind this. It's scary to think of what it could be.
Who is letting these people in? And if they were here on student visas, why were they not enrolled in a school. Something's up. They need to be shipped home.
Posted by: freewoman at May 21, 2006 8:56 AM
This reminds me of the 9/11 hijackers. Florida etc etc. Blending in,,lying ,,whatever it takes.
I know the saudi's fund a lot of universities in America - more's the pity!
As Bill O'Reilly wrote :"Who's looking Out For you?"
It sure doesn't seem like US authorities are doing their job.
FreeWoman: I think around the world enough people have seen American movies to know what a US school bus looks likes! Hey,,it's even in "South Park"!
Posted by: Gramfan at May 21, 2006 9:03 AM
Has their $250 bail really been revoked? If so then they've each been sent straight to jail because the judge was convinced they were a danger to the community and/or a flight risk.
Perhaps the police searched their respective apartments and found AK-47's, ammunition, explosives, detonators, swords, bomb-belts and the like, along with Osama videos, Zawahiri tapes, and stacks of pro-islamic anti-America literature. You know.. the typical stuff one finds in a truly devout muslim household.
But I suspect what probably got them in real trouble was if the police found maps of the local elementary school, detailed plans for a Beslan-style operation, and handwritten notes wherein, in typical islamic fashion, pious muslims exhort their satanic deathgod allah to grant them martyrdom so they can get into islamic paradise and a high bodycount so they can be exhalted once they get there.
Posted by: Mahdi Al-Dajjal at May 21, 2006 9:08 AM
I wrote the following less than two months after the attacks on 9/11 and I stand by the comment today:
For a decade, guerrilla military forces have crossed the borders of the United States and assumed covert positions deep within the sovereign territory of the nation. At the command of a foreign headquarters, elements of these forces executed coordinated hostile military actions against civilian American targets in New York City and Washington DC. Nearly 3,000 American civilians died. Hundreds, or perhaps thousands, of additional guerrilla forces remain under cover to await further orders to conduct military operations against more American civilian targets, including “soft” targets such as schools, shopping centers, sporting events and entertainment venues.Posted by: DrMack
at May 21, 2006 9:36 AM
And another thing, if the bus driver can call the school, why didn't he just call the police? Did the driver try to stop them? If they continued after being told they couldn't get on, he should have evacuated the children and waited for the authorities. What if these guys had had a bomb on them?
We need to start getting serious about the threat in our country.
Posted by: freewoman at May 21, 2006 9:39 AM
I firmly believe they did it for fun, knowing it would scare the infidel dogs. They know very well what the conditions are in the States. The trench coat, the laughing and speaking in Arabic, and they couldn't even get their reasons straight, come on. It's the same thing that happened on the airliner a few years back with the middle eastern band players. They too knew damn well that they were making people nervous, and scared with their choreographed movements.
at May 21, 2006 9:50 AM
$250 bail????
Interesting how the Tampa tribune article prints specific addresses for both of these wannabe jihadis. Each of their photos are available on several web sites as well.
Let's see who has the last laugh now boys.
Posted by: justamomof4 at May 21, 2006 10:28 AM
USAFan...you *honestly* think they did it for kicks? I don't. It's far more likely they were seeing how easy it would be to get on a bus despite the way they were dressed. It would be a very bad idea to dismiss this as a joke simply because it *does* seem to absurd to be a real threat.
Posted by: fireangel at May 21, 2006 10:28 AM
Yes, I think that USAFan is on to something.
But this too is all part of "razzia," inflicting terror. They don't actually have to go through with anything to inflict that terror, their mere presence suffices to sow fear, anxiety, unrest.
It's all part of it.
And thus the muslim who won't himself actually engage in violent actions, nevertheless, can, in his own way, engage in "razzia."
Those dirtballs are lucky they didn't get shot. There are lots of guys carrying in Florida.
Posted by: Dan at May 21, 2006 10:29 AM
It could be a dry run though too.
We know the dirtballs are fond of previous reconnaisance.
It would have been well had the Police taken these two dirtballs to some sequestered location, and inflicted their own little lesson on them.
"Traditional" forms of law enforcement shouldn't be overlooked in these situations.
Posted by: Dan at May 21, 2006 10:35 AM
Ahmed Bedier? Why would they be interviewing this clown? He does still work for the C.A.I.R., doesn't he?
The media needs to stop wasting their time seeking answers from this rat, and all of his pals.
Posted by: DCWatson at May 21, 2006 10:43 AM
SOMETHING DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT...
By Michelle Malkin · May 21, 2006 10:29 AM
http://michellemalkin.com/
at May 21, 2006 10:55 AM
Can you say "Immigration Laws?"
We had better get serious about it, and now!
at May 21, 2006 11:22 AM
My immediate thought was these guys were looking for brides until I read on and discovered the pupils were in their teens.
Posted by: western infidel at May 21, 2006 11:34 AM
I am most distressed by all the Islamophobic comments that appear here. All of you racist oppressors had better get used to the fact that the United States is a multicultural society and that your cultures are no better than any others.
Perhaps when the new immigration laws go into effect and millions more Muslims arrive on these shores you will realise that you must accept reality.
Remember, Islam is a religion of peace.
Viva El Presidente Jorge bin Jorge al-Bush!
Allahu akbar!
at May 21, 2006 11:36 AM
Why are these people allowed in our country? All potential jihadis should be sent packing...umm, should have been sent packing 9-12-01.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 21, 2006 11:36 AM
Reconnaissance and Surveillance.
One of the knuckleheads was in a Trenchcoat...man, it's been hot as Hades down there lately. Did ANYONE investigate, or look for, an overwatch for the probe? Filming the probe?? cultural misunderstanding"? I've heard of people being beheaded for such "misunderstandings". What a load of Khat! ...glad to see the JTTF getting involved. ...then again, you can't blame the driver for allowing them on, taking them to a school, and being kind. I mean, look at the Hillsborough County FCAT scores. Sheesh... ...and to think, USF ...again... Again? Oh, that's right, USF former President, and S. al Arian supporter, has her daughter now involved in Tampa area politics now too. Whew! ...and to think ICE SAIC in Tampa was busted for exposing himself to a girl, and given probation. Whew!" Now we are ALLLL safe. "Multi-culturalism" will behead the "West". Stand for something, or fall for anything.
at May 21, 2006 11:37 AM
Norseman, I don't know why RS tolerates your presence here after all the insults you have heaped on him in the past.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 21, 2006 11:39 AM
From Rottweiler, remember this?
The Islamic Republic of Iran is planning to use as many as eight different terrorist groups to launch attacks against the United States and its allies in the region should the United States launch military strikes against its nuclear facilities, a London-based newspaper reported.
Another Iranian intelligence source tells NewsMax that Iran plans suicide strikes in the United States, and may seek to hold mass numbers of Americans hostage.
You tell me that our government is interested in protecting the people...
Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 21, 2006 11:51 AM
We are at WAR! Arrest or at least deport the enemy.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 21, 2006 11:54 AM
Could I ask the following question to my American friends.
What would be the initial and long term consequences of a Beslan school type massacre in your homeland?
at May 21, 2006 12:09 PM
western infidel,
All h%#l breaking loose. I for one am way beyond being terrified. I am in the rage and hatred mode now. Is anyone as fed up with this as I am?
at May 21, 2006 12:18 PM
I can explain the trench coat. In Kashmir, the muslims wear the sack clothes typical of muslims. I was talking to a captain of the Indian Army stationed there and he said that all the muslims looked alike until someone in the crowds pulls out an AK-47 from his loose flowing robes and starts firing. THAT explains the trench coat. He also said the muslims are living as civilians. The Indian Army has its hands tied with Amnesty International crying foul when the army starts house to house searches. The b****y human right people should spend a few days in Kashmir, and in Palestine as well, to understand that WE, the civilized need protection, not muslims.
Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 21, 2006 12:31 PM
And another thing, if the bus driver can call the school, why didn't he just call the police? Did the driver try to stop them? If they continued after being told they couldn't get on, he should have evacuated the children and waited for the authorities. What if these guys had had a bomb on them?
We need to start getting serious about the threat in our country.
Posted by: freewoman
Thats what i was thinkin when i heard it,my kids bus driver BETTER get the kids off the dam bus if something like this happens,in fact i'm gunna talk to her monday mornin.
Remember, Islam is a religion of peace.
Viva El Presidente Jorge bin Jorge al-Bush!
Allahu akbar!
Posted by: Norseman
beleive me norseman,i would love to give you a very PEACEFULL welcome to the neighborhood.When the mo mo mean grow big enough ball's to bring it to America,you will see just how PEACEFULL the American public is.
Posted by: patriot4 at May 21, 2006 12:43 PM
What would be the initial and long term consequences of a Beslan school type massacre in your homeland? - Western Infidel
My response:
1. Lots of speaches.
2. Lots more calls for education of Americans to accept multiculturalism.
3. Congressional hearings to determine what Americans have done to deserve the murder of their children.
4. Many more restrictions on the activities of American citizens, including registration and confiscation of "offensive weapons" (guns, knives, baseball bats, etc.)
5. New governmental organizations and lots more spending.
6. Many politicians visiting mosques to emphasize that the attacks were carries out by radicals who have hijacked the peaceful religion of Islam.
7. Demonstrations of solidarity with peaceful Muslims by the usual "peace" groups.
Remember, Islam is a religion of peace.
The new immigration laws will allow millions of Muslims to enter the United States. Surely their presence will help matters.
Viva El Presidente Jorge bin Jorge al-Bush!
Allahu akbar!
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What would be the initial and long term consequences of a Beslan school type massacre in your homeland? - Western Infidel
My response:
1. Lots of speaches.
2. Lots more calls for education of Americans to accept multiculturalism.
3. Congressional hearings to determine what Americans have done to deserve the murder of their children.
4. Many more restrictions on the activities of American citizens, including registration and confiscation of "offensive weapons" (guns, knives, baseball bats, etc.)
5. New governmental organizations and lots more spending.
6. Many politicians visiting mosques to emphasize that the attacks were carries out by radicals who have hijacked the peaceful religion of Islam.
7. Demonstrations of solidarity with peaceful Muslims by the usual "peace" groups.
Remember, Islam is a religion of peace.
The new immigration laws will allow millions of Muslims to enter the United States. Surely their presence will help matters.
Viva El Presidente Jorge bin Jorge al-Bush!
Allahu akbar!
You
at May 21, 2006 12:44 PM
Sorry for the multiple posts. I blame the jinn who infest this site.
at May 21, 2006 12:47 PM
I am most distressed by all the Islamophobic comments that appear here. All of you racist oppressors had better get used to the fact that the United States is a multicultural society and that your cultures are no better than any others.
first of all,immagrants made this country,BUT they lived,worked as Americans,this is the dream,they got used to America,Americans do NOT have to get used to their OLD culture's,they came here,we didnt go there.Anybody who comes here leagaly and whants to live the American dream is more than welcome.Come her ILLEAGALY,and trys to change our culture,has very big problem.
Posted by: patriot4 at May 21, 2006 12:48 PM
Many more restrictions on the activities of American citizens, including registration and confiscation of "offensive weapons" (guns, knives, baseball bats, etc.)
whats the matter norsy,you afraid of the Americans guns?
at May 21, 2006 12:51 PM
and you better be afraid of them norsy.
Posted by: patriot4 at May 21, 2006 12:59 PM
Bond revoked
http://www.hcso.tampa.fl.us/
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This report includes: Aliases Cell Location Charges
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at May 21, 2006 1:07 PM
at May 21, 2006 1:08 PM
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at May 21, 2006 1:08 PM
I don't know what "Norseman"'s game is, but he is most likely correct about predicting the general American reaction to a Beslan-type massacre, or other Muslim atrocity, on her soil. I find this attitude among some American posters (and also chatters on the anti-Islamic rooms at Paltalk) to be like the puffed-up frog Hugh talks about: they assert confidently that "we Americans wouldn't put up with any of that Muslim nonsense, we'd get out our guns and show them who's boss!" etc. That's patently silly. Perhaps America in 1906 would have responded that way, but not in 2006: we have become radically PC-ified. Vigilante justice would be shut down in a New York minute, and all multiculturalist PC gears would be set in motion. In sum, I fear, alas, that America would not respond much differently than any other Western country has. Even Australia has been PC wimpified, and could barely muster a Cronulla backlash against Muslims without being marginalized and dampened with a gigantic blanket cloth of PC.
Anyway, we had our 911: did you see Americans out in the street rounding up Muslims and showing them who's boss? No: I've heard a deafening silence about Islam, coupled with repeated declarations by a President with a Southern drawl from a good ol' boy state (Texas) from on high declaring that Islam is a "great and noble relgion of peace". What happened when that Muslim ran over American students at a Southern college recently? Did good ol' Americans down South there do anything? They did nothing.
Get real. This is the PC Age of Aquarius. Has been for decades.
Posted by: Television at May 21, 2006 1:14 PM
Ummm. I think Norseman is joking around.
Norseman, ya might wanna use your /sarc tag, buddy.
Posted by: SexyKafira1 at May 21, 2006 1:17 PM
When 9/11 happened most of us didn't know very much about muslims. Islam was just another religion. Since then London has had it's 9/11 and there's the cartoon riots and so on. NOW quite a few of us *know* not only isn't islam a religion (it's a death cult)we're *not* inclined to forgive, forget or for that matter let the govenment take care of the problem. Unless, of course, the govenment takes it's head out of the mmm sand and takes agressive action.
The PC crowd isn't nearly as large as the non PC they just tend to make quite a bit more noise.
Posted by: fireangel at May 21, 2006 1:33 PM
Exactly fireangel,
Or in the words of our beloved Gen. Patton
“In case of doubt, attack.”
http://www.generalpatton.com/quotes.html
at May 21, 2006 1:41 PM
The April poll conducted by CBS News, assuming it is scientifically valid, does indicate that 45% of the respondents hold an unfavorable view of Islam. That means that the inclusion of the American median voter in the "unfavorable" faction will occur if only 5% of the "undecided" segment swings to the "unfavorable" camp. That is not a large margin and I stongly suggest that this swing would easily happen in the wake of a soft target attack.
The importance of the inclusion of the American median voter in such a faction cannot be overemphasized with regard to public policy formulation and execution. Where the median voter goes, so goes the rest of the country. If the median voter decides to fully mobilize for war, the country fully mobilizes for war. If the median voter decides that plans like REX84 are necessary, then those plans will be implemented. Ultimately it was the median voter, not President Truman, who decided that cities like Hiroshima and Nagasaki needed to be vaporized. The president merely executed the desire of the median voter to make it so.
If the median voter decides that Islam is an ideology that threatens the existence of the American civilization, then the median voter will direct that it be expunged even as it expunged the fascist ideologies of the Nazis and imperialist Japan.
If you want to really keep your eye on the ball in this epic clash of ideologies, pay close attention to what the median voter is thinking. And right now the median voter is very close to thinking that Islam may need to be contained, and with extreme violence if necessary. It would not be the first time in American history that the median voter felt this way. The Marine Corps Hymn and the heroic exploits of "Preble's Boys" come immediately to mind.
Posted by: DrMack at May 21, 2006 1:47 PM
Governor's Island. NYC. Internment location in the event of another islamic attack on American soil.
Posted by: SexyKafira1 at May 21, 2006 1:56 PM
P.S. They're opening it up for tours this year. I think those of the jihadi persuasion should attend to view their future accommodations.
Posted by: SexyKafira1 at May 21, 2006 1:58 PM
Aww come on.. You know you want to take a peek..
Posted by: SexyKafira1 at May 21, 2006 2:11 PM
"Is anyone as fed up with this as I am?" From:tgusa
Yeah. Nearly everyone I know is fed up. Last night, I asked my mother if she felt like everyone is waiting for someone else to, like a bellwether, lead the way. It's like we're all waiting for someone else to "jump" first.
"Did the driver try to stop them? If they continued after being told they couldn't get on, he should have evacuated the children and waited for the authorities." From: freewoman
I don't know what kind of training school bus drivers get, freewoman. All I do know is that they're just ordinary citizens (like most school crossing guards, here in Florida). I guess the driver froze--I'm pretty sure I would have! I feel for her, and the kids. In my opinion, you're right. She should have stopped the bus and evacuated the kids, but... I'm sure she's really kicking herself, and will be, for a long time. This was an act of terror. Everyone knows it, but no one (in authority) will admit it! It's infuriating!
"Interesting how the Tampa tribune article prints specific addresses for both of these wannabe jihadis. Each of their photos are available on several web sites as well." From: justamomof4
Yeah, I noticed that, too... (grinning)
Posted by: Abscedere at May 21, 2006 2:12 PM
Those pictures are something. Both of those guys look hypnotized/programmed/brainwashed.
As for the bus, every one I can remember from high school onward has had a sign posted about needing a valid student id card in order to board. Since they, as adult men, were clearly not students at the school to begin with, they should never have been allowed on the bus. Period.
Many, if not all, school buses are equipped with security cameras nowadays; any footage the local news stations in Tampa could get a hold of would be fascinating to see, especially when the incident is suspected of being a rehearsal for something worse.
Posted by: Shinoliite at May 21, 2006 2:45 PM
Sorry, DrMack, but I can't believe in your "median voter theory. I have seen polls that show that 80% of Americans want the borders and immigration controlled. Yet for more than 20 years (at least since Simpson/Mazoli in 1986) the political elites of both parties have steadfastly refused to halt illegal immigration, capture and deport illegal immigrants, or penalize those who hire them. It has been almost 5 years since 9/11, and the borders remain completely open. Furthermore, new laws soon to be passed will admit tens of millions of Muslims from the Middle East, South Asia (Pakistan), and Africa.
The decisions have long since been made. I suggest that you accept them and accept our Muslim overlords.
Don't worry, be happy.
Islam is a religion of peace.
Viva El Presidente Jorge bin Jorge al-Bush!
Allahu akbar!
Posted by: Norseman at May 21, 2006 2:54 PM
Norseman... what's going on with you, dude? You are totally pessimistic which is sad. Did something happen recently to make you forget to use your /sarc tag, or are ya just tryin to mix-it-up with the newer posters on the board?
Hope all is well.
Posted by: SexyKafira1 at May 21, 2006 3:01 PM
Ronin. Valrico here.
Posted by: SexyKafira1 at May 21, 2006 3:24 PM
Could I ask the following question to my American friends.
What would be the initial and long term consequences of a Beslan school type massacre in your homeland?
Posted by: western infidel
My guess is that the American people, who have been sick and tired of Bush's coddling the Muslims, would demand immediate arrest, deportation and internment of all Muslims. Pres. Bush has no idea how ready the Americans are for this step to be taken. Americans would demand CAIR and all organizations like this closed, all Muslim students deported immediately never to return, mosques closed down.
And no one would wait out the hostage situation, because we know now that once a hostage is taken now by Muslims they are dead unless someone rescues them.
Posted by: Abby at May 21, 2006 3:33 PM
I recommend that all you brave Americans begin stockpiling strategic materials while you are still allowed to do so. Might I suggest that you lay in a large supply of stuffed teddy bears? You will need them for the curbside "memorials" at the sites of beheadings, honor killings, and other Islamic activities.
Loudmouthed Pussies!
Don't worry, be happy.
Islam is a religion of peace.
Viva El Presidente Jorge bin Jorge al-Bush!
Allahu akbar!
at May 21, 2006 3:39 PM
Norseman, how ironic you chose the name of a once feared and powerful warrior race and now they are slaves to islam. Afraid of free speech, freewill, shadows, burkas, the sea and themselves. A pity.
Having faced muslim (non) warriors on the battlefield trust me when I tell you, they are nothing.
Posted by: Ronin at May 21, 2006 3:51 PM
"They could have blown up this bus, or decapitated every kid on that bus and the response from America would be:
Shock
Saddness
Mourning
A call for an investigation
A call for a memorial.
Then a design competition for a memorial
Then new rules implemented for bus drivers
Just like after 9/11."
Then Oprah would have a special where among the guests are some Muslim cleric Mohammed ibn-Mumbojumbo and a female Muslim spokesperson Mariam al-Heebeejeebee who will explain to the credulous layers of mascara around Oprah's saucer eyes how Islam is a religion of peace, and there will be on the panel a Catholic priest, a rabbi and a Lutheran minister all talking about how we need to "come together" and not succumb to "hate" of our Muslim brothers and sisters but "build bridges" between the three "great Abrahamic faiths". Bush will doubtlessly chime in as well, echoing these "inter-faith" sentiments, probably will deliver a speech flanked by some alphabet-soup Muslim leader. And in the months ahead, the "investigation" will be unable to uncover anything specifically Islamic about the decapitations, just some "extremists" again, that same tiny minority, that same travelling Wahhabi Klezmer band that keeps managing to pop up in various locations around the globe.
at May 21, 2006 3:54 PM
I know what they were doing. A dry run for an attack on school buses now. That is what they were doing.
Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 21, 2006 08:52 AM
+++++++++++++
I wrote the following less than two months after the attacks on 9/11 and I stand by the comment today:
For a decade, guerrilla military forces have crossed the borders of the United States and assumed covert positions deep within the sovereign territory of the nation. At the command of a foreign headquarters, elements of these forces executed coordinated hostile military actions against civilian American targets in New York City and Washington DC. Nearly 3,000 American civilians died. Hundreds, or perhaps thousands, of additional guerrilla forces remain under cover to await further orders to conduct military operations against more American civilian targets, including “soft” targets such as schools, shopping centers, sporting events and entertainment venues.
Posted by: DrMack at May 21, 2006 09:36 AM
++++++++++
The prelude to 9/11 include others carrying boxer cutters and other nocuous weapons onto flights to see what would pass inspection.
Now it is buses to see what response will be made by the locals.
pres bush has endangered America by not shutting down our borders. An estimated 10 million illegals -- 10,000,000 illegals have crossed our borders since 9/11. If only 0.5% are terrorists that is 50,000 terrorists in America. How many of the estimated 20,000,000 million illegals in America are loyal to America. None......
Nukes are in America. Our government has been hunting for them at islamic sites across America.
How safe do you feel???
How safe are you really???
War is coming to America.
Prepare.
Be armed.
Be ready.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.
at May 21, 2006 3:59 PM
So these men ARE Muslims according to CAIR, but Moussoui was portrayed as a victim of "Islamophobia" until the conviction in Court and his rantings, THEN he had nothing to do with Islam according to CAIR.
So basically , CAIR only denounced Muslims once they commit suicide via Jihad to murder God's children for Allah.
Prior to these suicides CAIR stands by them as followers of Islam that are above reproach because they visit a Mosque on Friday's, ERGO they must be TRUE Muslims.
OK Hooper , then if I lived in a garage every Friday that would make me a car?
at May 21, 2006 4:00 PM
Norseman is having a good time with ya'll.. He's a defender of the USA and its missions.
Ronin.. whatsamattayou.. skeered of a like minded individual just southeast of you, or are you too good to answer?
Now what will REALLY happen if a Beslan type attack takes place anywhere in the USA, with the protection of the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution, islamists will be immediately defeated by way of their own cries for protection from the people who bear arms. They're too smart to initiate another attack, because they already know that we're fed up with this shiite.
There will be no further attacks inside the USA. They know if there is one, even a tiny one, that they face immediate deportation and/or internment (in the event a claim for amnesty from home country is plead).
Posted by: SexyKafira1 at May 21, 2006 4:12 PM
We don't really want am American progrom.
What we want is the government to toss out the muslims, and don't let anymore in the country, for whatever purpose, during the pendancy of this conflict.
We don't want them here conducting business, if they need to conduct business, they can do it through an American consultancy.
We don't want them entering horses in the Triple Crown.
We don't want them buying up shares of Fox News.
We don't want them as "students," we don't want them as "tourists," and we don't want them here as diplomats.
We should cut by at least 2/3 every single muslim country's diplomatic staff. And that includes the United Nations.
Every single muslim who isn't a citizen, toss.
Create new laws that, DURING A TIME OF WAR, prohibit immigration from muslim countries, whether they're muslim or not. Because the muslims will simply lie about their religious status. So if they're from the mideast, they don't get in.
But this is all defensive, home front stuff.
What we really need is OFFENSIVE war. Designed for victory, and designed to kill as many that hate us as possible.
In short, WE NEED TO WAGE WAR, by land, air and sea, in a manner that islam has never experienced. We need to make them wish in about three weeks, that THEY NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF MESSING with the United States.
And we can do it too.
When you see your Congressman, ask them why we aren't waging this war in the manner that we waged war against the Japanese and the German. Where we strangled theri commerce, obliterated their shipping, destroyed their road and rail network, where we obliterated even their fishing fleets, where we initiated a policy of starvation against them. Ask them that. Ask them why are we getting away from what worked, and adopting policies enacted in Korea and 'Nam, which demonstrably didn't work.
Posted by: Dan at May 21, 2006 4:16 PM
western infidel asks,
Could I ask the following question to my American friends.
What would be the initial and long term consequences of a Beslan school type massacre in your homeland?
The consequences would be a United States of America free of all muslims and the begining of the end of the muslim cult.
They better pray to Jesus that nothing like Beslan happens here!
I've got my teddy bears all cuddled up around me because im soooo scared!
at May 21, 2006 4:30 PM
Norseman is telling much truth.
The senate this week is pushing the formation of a bill, a "comprehensive" bill that will allow for illegals to remain, most all who want to come to do so, and stay. The estimate is between 60-120 million over the next 20 years.
To give them our jobs, jobs they are saying U.S. workers won't do. The double talk is flowing, letting in "temporary" workers, really means for only a short time, then full U.S. membership, they don't have to leave.
300 million in the country are not engaged as they should be, are you?
Look at www.numbersusa.com , you can help fight this. 300 million people here in the U.S., and they have only around 200,000 members. They need YOU.
You can help today, for free, and know you are in the fight for the good of the country.
Show Norseman he is mistaken.
at May 21, 2006 4:37 PM
crusader619,
Yup, got my teddies handy at all times.
http://dogbreedinfo.com/akita.htm
at May 21, 2006 4:46 PM
I would suggest the american people not to be too worried about what will happen next. People are fed up with muslims, no matter what the Pc idiot tells you. Soon nobody would want to sit down, eat, not to mention work with a muslim, nobody will hire them for work (muslims work is an oxymoron since there's no lazier ass than the muslim) and they will feel reject like no other ethnicity/group in the history of mankind.
Posted by: gorniak at May 21, 2006 4:49 PM
Western Infidel,
I can assure you that if a Beslan were pulled off here in the States, there would be bloodlust throughout the country.
Remember, we're not just a country where the people want capital punishment, many countries could say that, especially in Europe. NO. We're a country that HAS capital punishment.
A Beslan here would rip away the tattered shreds of political correctness, which still attends discussion of islam.
Opra Winfrey covered Beslan on her television show. And the tens of millions of American women who watched that show were rightly horrified. But they could content themselves that it happened all "over there."
Let those predators strike here, and it would make the respons after 9/11 pale in comparison.
9/11 was something so huge, that it stunned, and momentarily paralyzed thought, which was why we didn't see vigilante groups going after the muslims.
But there wouldn't be any shock to stifle the rage after a Beslan.
The Mohammedans truly don't know what they're dealing with.
We're a country made up mostly of Germans, Irish and increasingly Mexicans. And those three ethnic groups fight. The Mexicans have tended to mind their own business in Mexico, and haven't bothered with the wider international stage. BUT THOSE Mexicans who came here, in search of prosperity and opportunity, are going to be awfully pissed if instead of making money, they have to worry about some mohammedan lunatic.
Just wait and watch.
The muslims are out of the fricken mind.
Posted by: Dan at May 21, 2006 5:00 PM
"USAFan...you *honestly* think they did it for kicks? I don't."
Fireangle
Yes I do Fireangle, and I'll tell you why. If it was a dry run for something more sinister, I don't think they would have been laughing it up, and talking in Arabic. Also, they would have been prepared for possible detainment, and questions. Their stories would have been rehearsed, and precise. Plus, I think it was more than a harmless joke, I think they did it to get pleasure out of tormenting the stupid infidels.
Posted by: USAFan
at May 21, 2006 5:10 PM
If you look at the big picture, you will see that Sheikh Jorge Al-Bush has sold out America to:
- Saudi Arabia (which means to all of Islam).
- Big Businesses (which means the 'mighty dollar').
Then, every little act:
- escorting Bin-Ladens to safery after 9/11.
- Blackening pages on Saudi from 9/11 interim rep.
- Stalling the 9/11 inquiry commission.
- Including father (saudi Arabia) and mother (Pakistan) of terror, an ally against (!?) terror.
- Opening US doors to illegal immigrants.
- ChAstizing patriotic Minutemen.
- Holding hands of his Saudi masters.
... will make sense. Comprende, Rafiq?
Posted by: Alert at May 21, 2006 5:52 PM
Are you sure Norseman isn't being sarcastic? It sure seems like it to me...
Posted by: Kay at May 21, 2006 6:00 PM
No Kay, he's an authentic ass.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/005241.php#c75492
Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 21, 2006 6:30 PM
Oh dear.
His comments were so asinine, I thought he was joking.
Posted by: Kay at May 21, 2006 7:17 PM
Nobody can be that authentic of an ass. He's got to be kidding, certainly he's being sarcastic. This must be so because... stop ... wait a minute ... hold for a few seconds please.......
......
............. somebody just sent me piece written by a pork agronomist from several months ago that talked about how sustained immersion in any Fictive Reality, but especially the Islam Fictive Reality, results in substantial or total cognitive occlusion to the point of schizophrenia.
About what I was gonna say in defense of Norseman, never mind.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at May 21, 2006 7:17 PM
If I was to answer my own question, ' What would be the initial and long term consequences of a Beslan school type massacre in my own homeland (UK)? The answer would be very similar to what Television & somethingaboutislam posted. First there would be the shock and disbelief of such an incident happening so close to home. Soon after the personal tragedies have been told and the raw anger subdued, the British MSM would start to look behind the causes of this 'excluded minority' to see what 'lessons can be learned' and implementations imposed to restore the social cohesion of these disaffected few. The offer of better housing and jobs, extra funding for community projects, greater representation in their council wards followed by diversity training for the police and civil authorities. Never would the BBC connect the actions of the murdering hostage takers with Islam and so go out of their way interview the so-called 'moderate' muslim who will spew out the predictable hardships and discrimination faced by British muslims followed by 'but...'. and go on to justify such an act.
I no longer have any confidence in our police force in identifying those intent on committing such acts. For the last decade they've been recruiting on the basis of race and gender and actively rejecting suitable candidates just to meet their quota. You only have to look at the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes by the Metropolitan Keystones to realize they are clueless as to the problem that faces them.
Though on a positive note, there is an awakening undercurrent now running through our nation. People in the suburbs feeling more confident in verbally expressing their thoughts on certain immigrants without looking over their shoulder to see who might be listening.
If that hostage situation should arise in Britain you can be sure our elite SAS will be at the forefront of any 'negotiations'. There are no PC niceties in their operations manual as was seen in the Iranian embassy siege in London and engagements with Irish Republican terrorists.
Posted by: western infidel at May 21, 2006 7:19 PM
cognitive occlusion to the point of schizophrenia...
And I always thought it was just Cranial Rectumitus
at May 21, 2006 7:27 PM
There will be no further attacks inside the USA.
Posted by: SexyKafira1 at May 21, 2006 04:12 PM
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We are not dealing with rational thinking human beings, but muslims are raised and brainwashed to destroy and conquer for islam including giving their very lives for islam. islam has patience and waits until the time is right then all hell breaks loose. 9/11 was planned for years.
The leaders of islam will sacrifice the 5,000,000 plus muslims in America for they believe that this will be the downfall of America.
America will be attacked.
America will be nuked.
All of the signs are here in America. The feds are not looking for nukes at islamic sites just for grins.
Prepare.
Be armed.
Be ready.
Protect your family, community, state and America.
God bless America and the free nations and give us the strength and might to win this war.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.
at May 21, 2006 10:12 PM
Yet another wake up call, it's time stop immigration for Muslim nations.
Posted by: kevin at May 22, 2006 4:33 AM
I think the incident is probably becuase of cultural differences and because of the fact that the two Saudis failed to differentiate between a public transport and a school bus.
I think so based on the following facts:
1. No weapon or anything harmful was found at their possession at the time of arrest
2. They didn't engage in anything suspicious and/or harmful on the bus
3. No Weapon or anything harmful was found at their apartments
4. The intelligence agencies and the police have not confirmed their ties with terrorist organizatoins.
I think it is better to wait and see rather than speculate fruitlessly.
Posted by: Shuja at May 22, 2006 8:52 AM
Shuja, I think you're kidding yourself. The guys have been here for months and apparently riding buses is their mode of transportation.
They knew it was a school bus.
Just because authorities didn't find anything in their apt. doesn't mean they aren't involved in something. They know what they're doing. They're smart enough not to have anything incriminating there because they knew their apt. would be checked out.
Their ties are at the mosques they attend. Again, CYA. Also, nothing was said if these guys work.. who's supporting them?
This may have well been a dry run, or wanting a little fame, or checking out how quickly police would respond and how the drivers and children would respond for future references.
Posted by: freewoman at May 22, 2006 10:08 AM
Shuia
"I think the incident is probably becuase of cultural differences and because of the fact that the two Saudis failed to differentiate between a public transport and a school bus."
Did the cultural differences cause them to deceive police by lying that they were citizens of Morocco, and not Saudi Arabia?
at May 22, 2006 10:43 AM
I've been wanting to say this for the longest time....Kos is a puto.
Having lived among the believers I am inclined to disbelieve their excuses. Who issued these two school bus riders visas? What type? And for how long? Who are their sponsors? Let's get to the bottom of this asap.
at May 22, 2006 3:42 PM
"I don't know what "Norseman"'s game is, but he is most likely correct about predicting the general American reaction to a Beslan-type massacre, or other Muslim atrocity, on her soil. I find this attitude among some American posters (and also chatters on the anti-Islamic rooms at Paltalk) to be like the puffed-up frog Hugh talks about: they assert confidently that "we Americans wouldn't put up with any of that Muslim nonsense, we'd get out our guns and show them who's boss!" etc. That's patently silly. Perhaps America in 1906 would have responded that way, but not in 2006: we have become radically PC-ified."
The news media and some government leaders would react like this just like they did last time but I can tell you that the average American people are fed up with Muslim extremism and if pushed too far would do something despite the best efforts of the media. Few Americans buy what the media is selling, as a matter of fact we joke about the media.
" I've heard a deafening silence about Islam, coupled with repeated declarations by a President with a Southern drawl from a good ol' boy state (Texas) from on high declaring that Islam is a "great and noble relgion of peace". What happened when that Muslim ran over American students at a Southern college recently? Did good ol' Americans down South there do anything? They did nothing. "
I'm from Texas and we have all different kinds of people like anywhere else. I'm sick of the ridiculous comments that everyone down here is a 'good ol boy/American etc.' That would be like saying everyone in New Jersey is like Tony Soprano. "Television"--I think you've been watching too much television.
Posted by: corli at May 22, 2006 7:01 PM
Fed up? Yep.
Executive Order 9066.
Three types of people: Hopeful; "feel" if something happens, someone will be there to take care of them. Fearful; believe all is lost, and thus quit, no one is there to give. Assured; know hope is dangerous, fear is worse, and can clear a malfunction... because they will have to protect the hopeful from the fearful as well as themselves. Stand for something, or fall for anything.
Fed up? ya think??
at May 22, 2006 8:22 PM
These men got on a school bus!
It sounds to me like they are getting better with their back up stories for when they get caught. First they are Moroccan then they are Arab.
at May 25, 2006 12:53 AM
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