As Robert said, two grown men boarding a school bus, lying about where they were from, and then giving a series of different stories about what they were up to are definite cause for concern to any sane person.

That these malicious prigs at this website, drunk on their self-satisfied and ignorant ideology, should choose to ignore all these facts, sling irrelevant libels about "racism" and all the rest of it tells you all you need to know about them. These people are contemptible.

Posted by: Yojimbo at May 21, 2006 5:10 PM

If I got onto a schoolbus illegally, I would expect to be detained, questioned, and, if lying (about whether I was a pedophile or a cultural imbecile or latent terrorist is immaterial at that point), duly arrested.

So what race am I?

Other than human?

OH MY GOD! is what the parents at Beslan were screaming, also.

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 21, 2006 5:11 PM

I knew this markos guy was an a*sh*le the moment I saw him on the john stewart show. I hate these left wing comic types who mock anyone on the right and constantly cry racism. These people are doing a great diservice to their countries so they can be the toast of hollywood and they are taking advantage of dissillusioned minorities by making excuses for them and not allowing them to fix what is wrong with their lives that is making them miserable in the first place. I have a coworker who is upset with how his life is going. He feels that his lack of opportunities is due to racism. That is bullshit. I am classified as white yet I have more skills and I am still struggling. It is not racism. In Canada it is socialism and the system of nepotism that keeps people down. All the people who support the current system are liberal people who always cry racism. Apparently we can't have a free market because its racist. Yet its socialism in Canada and Europe that keeps minorities and others unemployes or in jobs that they are overqualified for. I am tired of guys like this blaming everything on racism.

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at May 21, 2006 5:16 PM

Mr. Spencer-

The majority of the commenters on this article at the KOS site seem to find his reaction absurd and the concern about two strange adult men getting on a bus full of schoolkids fully understandable.

I guess his 'humor' is wasted on his own partisans?

OH MY GOD!

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 21, 2006 5:39 PM

How could the Saudi’s think they were on public transport when the bus was full of children and no doubt with school books/back packs? They lie about their country of origin? Anyone with brains can figure out this was done on purpose. I don't understand why this CAIR has to get involved in everything a Muslim does in your country. They bring suspicion on themselves by always jumping in things that don't concern them. This is way too scary.

Posted by: herself at May 21, 2006 5:39 PM

Unfortunately, Daily Kos is the pre-eminent left-wing blog in America. With tremendous weight among young lefties. They're the ones who launched the Howard Dean candidacy, and now they're demanding that the Democratic Party must run only antiwar candidates--they treat moderates like Lieberman as apostates whom they are trying to defeat in primary elections by running antiwar candidates against them.

If you think the Bush Administration is bad (and I'm no fans of their Iraq policy), how would you like the next President of the U.S., or the next chairperson of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, or the next chairperson of the Senate or House Judiciary Committee, to have views identical to Markos Moulitsos Zuniga? Because if he has his way, that's what we will get.

Posted by: Steven L. at May 21, 2006 5:50 PM

What is odd about the story is why the two men were allowed on the bus at all.

It would seem natural for the driver to have challenged them, asked them to get off etc etc. Don't all school bus drivers have a cell phone or similar to call police?

That has nothing to do with the silly Kos reaction, of course...just curious about the basic story which doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: Raw Data at May 21, 2006 5:56 PM

"the Left's all-purpose Christian terrorist (even though he was an avowed atheist at the time of his terrorist acts)"

Not only that: McVeigh's final testament that he requested to express his last statement on Earth before his execution was a poem that had no references to Christianity at all: it was a vague agnostic poem (it can be easily found through Google). The accurate analogy for a Muslim terrorist would be some apocalyptic Christian text in which he praises Christ and the Last Days. McVeigh was not analogous to the typical Muslim terrorist who invokes the Qur'an and Allah.

Posted by: Television at May 21, 2006 6:02 PM

How disappointing that the Radical Left omitted my web site... clearly I am going to have to work harder at that.

To echo Robert Spencer's comments to anyone from the Daily Kos...

BRING IT ON....

Jeffrey Imm
UnitedStatesAction.com
Addressing the threat of radical Islamism since 9/2001....

Posted by: jeffreyimm at May 21, 2006 6:12 PM

well of course all problems in the world are caused by christians and jews. everyone knows that!

Posted by: storagemanager at May 21, 2006 6:13 PM

Robert, why do you care what the Left says? The Left is the enemy. Of course they are going to spin this their way. They don't want anybody warning the world abou the muslim menace, because the muslims are their agents in their attempt to destroy Judeo-Christian Western society.

Notice how the Left, like the daily kos, never has a bad word to say about terrorists, muslims, islam, genital mutiliation, or anything else associated with the enemey. Nothing. They never poke fun at terrorists, never talk bad about terrorists, never demean or disparage terrorists. Never. Not once.

The Left is more the enemy that all the jihadists combined, Robert. Without the Left, the islamic threat could not be a threat. Only the Left holds it together, keeps it alive, defends it, and sustains it. Only the Left provides lawyers for it. Only the Left provides protests for it. They never protest against it. There is a good reason for that.

The Left is jihad. And now that communism is finished as a threat to the west, islam now is their only hope in undermining and destroying our culture and civilization. So if you warn the world about islam, you are warning the world about their agents. Of course the Left will mock you. They can't shut you down.

Ignore it and do not publish links to their sites. It does your cause no good to do that. Every click on the dailykos makes them that much stronger. Remember, we are in a war of propaganda. Propaganda being the light in which we view the world. Each side trying to convince the other side in their light that their view of islam is correct. But our agenda is to save our society, their agenda is to destroy it. Publishing their view on your site works to their advantage.

Posted by: somethingaboutislam at May 21, 2006 6:20 PM

Here is a relevant article about school busses and terrorism which shows what is already being done to educate school bus drivers.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view2/1,4382,635185485,00.html?textfield=Beatty

Posted by: dms at May 21, 2006 6:27 PM

Somethingaboutislam:

You're missing the point, which was this:

"And this is how we could very well end up with another catastrophic attack on American soil sometime in the future, or more than one: the we will all be so concerned about not appearing racist or bigoted that we will be afraid to raise legitimate concerns -- for fear of drawing the ire of Kos and his minions, or people who share their point of view. In fact, all too many people in media and law enforcement are in precisely that position today."

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at May 21, 2006 6:31 PM

FOJ Note: Satan seems to be exerting an extra emphasis these days in his Global conspiracy against Christianity (and against Israel—first the Sunday people, then the Saturday people) by undercutting the Christian roots of the United States in a hellish offensive against all the people of God. If it isn’t an attack on the credibility of the Bible via another blasphemous Hollywood movie, then it is a flood of illegal (and hidden-terrorist) immigration to further undermine the security and sanctity of our country. The Muslim student in Kentucky should be grateful that America traditionally held Christian principles, and allows her to worship her false god in America freely, unlike the total intolerance shown to Christians in Islamic nations. A recent convert to Christianity in Afghanistan was nearly executed for believing in the name of Jesus! The demons of Hell are making rapid advances worldwide in an attempt to blacklist and isolate Christians and God's Holy Word. The ACLU has never come to the assistance of anybody that expressed Biblical precepts, but they are always as swift as a streaking comet to attack America’s at her Christian roots.

http://focusonjerusalem.com/

Posted by: storagemanager at May 21, 2006 6:33 PM

If I might just make a point or two. (1) They use US yellow school buses in Saudi. Every Saudi knows they are US School buses. That was not a mistake or a confusion. They knew damn well.

(2) POnting out that they were Saudis is not racism. Saudi Arabia is a quasi-feudal kingdom ruled over by the Al Saud family. Saudi is not a race. Any more than Islam is a race. And as it happens, "racially", both Arabs and Jews are "Semites," dark-skinned, Middle-Eastern and Asiatic people. Anthropologists and geneticists describe them both as "branches of the same tree."

Posted by: beachhutman at May 21, 2006 6:37 PM

Robert, what does that have to do with mentioning the reaction of the Left to YOU? All that is important is that the story is disseminated. Which you did. No need to talk about KOS says about your site. Unless you want to give a plug to KOS.

Posted by: somethingaboutislam at May 21, 2006 6:39 PM

thats for site info jeffrey imm i added to my fight islam base..lol

Posted by: storagemanager at May 21, 2006 6:41 PM

KOS is the "person" who said "screw them" about the murder of the Blackwater contractors in Iraq.
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/001957.htm
A real leftard.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 21, 2006 6:42 PM

Something:

The story doesn't really have to do with me, or Kos, at all. The point is that the Left consistently blames the messenger and downplays the real threat. And here's an example.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at May 21, 2006 6:43 PM

The picture on the left is a picture of what the savages did to the Blackwater guys. These were American men with families.
http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/side_orders/showpics.cgi?on_atrocities

Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 21, 2006 6:47 PM

some of the kos readers...maybe not that many but some might be changed with real info and debate...we can hope.

Posted by: storagemanager at May 21, 2006 6:48 PM

ROBERT what will kos say about this story....Iranian students set up fund dedicated to Israel's destruction. Encouraged by regime, students call fund 'symbolic move' in support of Palestinians
Associated Press

A group of Iranian students announced Sunday at an event attended by a high-ranking member of the elite Revolutionary Guard that they were setting up a fund to destroy Israel. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3253583,00.html

Posted by: storagemanager at May 21, 2006 6:56 PM

The very notion that mujahedin would use a bus to carry out their nefarious deeds is laughable, of course.

Okay, so we Britons had a minor altercation with four Muslim gentleman in London in July last year. Buses may have been involved, if I recall.

But let's not (snigger) blow this out of proportion.

The mujahedin are Allah's brave warriors - they would never target children. Not in Tampa, not in Haifa, not in Baghdad, not in Beslan, not anywhere. Oh no. Perish the thought.

Posted by: TAoL at May 21, 2006 6:58 PM

"The Kos original is filled with links to various anti-jihad sites. Jihad Watch is linked at "OH MY GOD!!!!" I think that's somewhat ironic, given that there is nothing hysterical or ranting about my original post. I just asked a few questions." --Robert.

Indeed, it is the Kos headlines that are alarmist. Robert only raised questions that any reasonable, responsible person would ask. Even without the possible "jihad" connection, the story does raise concerns.

I also wonder, frankly, whether "Kos" took the time to read some of the stories posted on JW or DW.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2006 7:03 PM

YES LET'S BE FAIR KOS...LIKE THIS LITTLE DITTY.....Israel to boycott conference dealing with media racism
By HERB KEINON.......
The original description of the conference received in Jerusalem in March said that the two-day seminar, which would be attended by a number of media personalities from Europe and the Arab world, would deal with racism, xenophobia, Islamophobia and anti-Semitism.

However all references to anti-Semitism had been removed from an updated description that the Foreign Ministry received on May 11, while a report on Islamophobia in the press was still on the agenda.

Israeli diplomatic officials said that the decision to eliminate the discussion of anti-Semitism was taken following pressure from Arab countries.

www.jpost.com

Posted by: storagemanager at May 21, 2006 7:10 PM

I hope Kos reads my link i posted to show that homeland security takes this stuff very seriously.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view2/1,4382,635185485,00.html?textfield=Beatty

Posted by: dms at May 21, 2006 7:14 PM

OT

'Al Qaeda in Palestine' claims attack on intelligence chief

http://www.metimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20060521-054544-6089r

more of that muslim in muslim fighting

Posted by: patriot4 at May 21, 2006 7:14 PM

Anyone who wouldn't question this is beyond help. Two Saudis got on a School bus full of students. One was wearing a trench-coat.
They KNOW it's a school bus(I could go to CHINA and recognize the School buses there) Yet no-one is supposed to question this? When their Brothers in Russia took over the School in Beslan, the MSM portrayed it as a Nationalistic attack on behalf of the poor oppressed Chechnyans...Well, we all know different now , don't we. Something is about to happen and I fear it's going to be big. I think we can expect a coordinated Al Qaeda style attack in several different states at once. It's the jihadists "wet-dream". Their attack MUST be followed swiftly with a BRUTAL, OVERWHELMINGLY DISPROPOTIONATE Retaliation against Military, Economic, Cultural and "SOFT" targets, THROUGHOUT the Islamic World. If this is what they are planning, if this is how these Apocalyptic Jihadists want it to go down...Then we must Suspend Humanity, only for the sake of mankind, we must inflict Morality Upon them at a rate of 1000/1. This they will understand...This is all they respect...And This is what they would deserve. No amount of "Blood Money" from our "Great Allies" in "The WAR ON Terrorism" should prevent this. For every Man Woman or Child killed in an attack on American Soil, we MUST kill 1,000 Muslims, if only out of respect for their wish for annihilation. If they want to see the Mahdi, let them come, let them do this thing that can't be undone and they will see the Mahdi. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are nothing compare to the Acme of Destruction we can rain down on there heads conventionally. Two Arabs got on a School Bus...Nineteen Arabs got on 4 commercial airliners...Deport THEM and every Male Arab in this country on a Student Visa. Let them rot in Arabia. Let them Rot in 'Palestine'. If ever there was an instance where a disproportionate overreaction was called for...This is it.
A rhetorical question for you all...When was the last time Muammar Qaddafi(of the many spellings) has attempt any overt aggression?...Now ask yourself Why Is That?

I am Alarmed and Angered,
CRUSADER18

Posted by: WIDEAWAKE at May 21, 2006 7:18 PM

Steven L: "Unfortunately, Daily Kos is the pre-eminent left-wing blog in America. With tremendous weight among young lefties. They're the ones who launched the Howard Dean candidacy,"

Steven L. is right. Kos is an extremely influential blogger on the left. And just one look at the absolutely juvenile and unserious nature of his post says volumes about why so many life-long democrats like myself don't want Democrats in charge of National Security for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: Caroline at May 21, 2006 7:25 PM

While Persia has had ties deeply rooted in world history, the direct American-Iranian relationship only commenced in the late 1930’s. Persia joined the allied forces against Germany in 1943, and thus the World War II Mid-east theatre provided the stage that began the rather brief history of the US-Iranian relationship. It is a relationship that has also undergone a complete about face since the 1970’s. Within the scope of this remarkable turn in geo-political affairs in the international relationship between Iran (Persia) and the United States are a host of highly significant factors relative to the prophesied signs of the times, and imminent world events in these Last Days.

It was 2540 years ago that the Old Testament prophet Daniel first came into contact with the empire of the Medes and Persians. On a fateful night in 536BC, while King Belshazzar and his ruling company partied in drunken revelry, Darius, the King of the Medes diverted the Euphrates River and his armies entered into the fortress-palace of Babylon and destroyed it. Thus, as Babylon receded into ancient memory, Persia stepped to the forefront of world power.

http://focusonjerusalem.com/iraninbibleprophecy.html

Posted by: storagemanager at May 21, 2006 7:35 PM

Maybe Hugh Fitzgerald can write a little piece informing Kos and one and all, about a little place called MAALOT.

Morever, did you notice the photographs? Now the one guy was slightly bearded, now what does that indicate for a muslim? Recall, the guy isn't on the streets of "the Kingdom." No. He's on the streets of Florida, but he persists with his beard.

Just another little bit of information to toss into the equation.

Now HERSELF told us that even on his own website, his devotees didn't find his comments funny, and even they, were suspicious.

Now what are we to make of that?

The fact that even the LEFTIES are suspicious of the actions of the muslims tells us THAT THE VEIL OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS is beginning, beginning mind you, to fall.

The elites are DESPERATELY trying to maintain the charade, but that the lefties at Daily Kos, DAILY KOS of all places, are beginning to "get it," is good news indeed.

It's as I said, every day that transpires, the mohammedans are making themselves distrusted, feared and hated, by more and more people, not just in the United States, but in Europe.

The muslim is doing the job of persuasion for you.

And thus the foundation for a far more vigorous war effort is being created, hour by hour, day by day, week by week, month by month, year by year.

Posted by: Dan at May 21, 2006 7:42 PM

I've been reading American news for decades now. Does anyone remember a story where adults boarded a school bus? I don't.

There are some things even crazy people don't do. But Saudi Arabians ("jihad against the unbelievers") should get a pass? It doesn't take a genius to figure out what could happen if dozens of school buses were seized at one time. Dry runs have been documented many times. I'd bet cash terrorists have hit our oil and gas facilities. The "no terrorist attacks since 9/11" meme is hurting our ability to prosecute the war and define the enemy. It provides some Republicans a talking point, hardly worth it.

Most of the Left has chosen to sit this war out, or aid the enemy whenever possible, with some exceptions. The neo-Nazis, Pat Buchanan, Norquist, etc., are with the jihadis as well. It feels cramped here in the middle.

Posted by: Beagle at May 21, 2006 7:58 PM

Dan: "The fact that even the LEFTIES are suspicious of the actions of the muslims tells us THAT THE VEIL OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS is beginning, beginning mind you, to fall."

Let's all hope so. Presumably as the PC falls into a death spiral, those trying to defend what really amounts to a web of lies - about the west, about Islam, about the reality of the threat - will increasingly look deaf, dumb and blind ("Hear no evil. Speak no evil. See no evil") - as Kos does in his post (irrespective of the actual outcome of this case) to the vast majority of people of common sense who have no particular ego or financial investments in clinging stubbornly to an outmoded world view.

Posted by: Caroline at May 21, 2006 7:58 PM

The seizure of a schoolhouse at Ma'alot in 1974, by PLO terrorists who then proceeded to kill 21 Israeli schoolchildren, is the first in a series of such atrocities directed at children, seized in schoolhouses or attacked on schoolbusses, by the PLO and other Muslim terrorists, including those in Beslan. Three or four years ago there was a report about four Muslim men who visited elementary schools in the Boston area, and never detained, until finally at one place they wrere, and they told the ppolice that they 1) were Turks 2) had recently relocated and 3) were just checking out the suitability of local schools for their children. What finally happened is unknown to me: was their story accepted? Were they quietly deported? Was there an attempt to keep that story from circulating and alarming people? I don't know. But I do know that lots of worrisome things, in the United States and in Europe, never make the main -- or any -- papers.

Posted by: Hugh at May 21, 2006 8:03 PM

The seizure of a schoolhouse,
This has been a great concern of mine for several years. I have thought about approaching my local school officials but I am not sure how to do this in a quiet way. On the other hand I was recently at the school and something happened, I am not sure what and I won’t say how many but Police as big as mountains and not taking any back talk appeared out of nowhere. That was reassuring.

Posted by: tgusa at May 21, 2006 8:22 PM

After he became well-known, a certain writer told an interviewer that he had, nearly twenty years before, a few times ridden on schoolbuses in order to eavesdrop on the conversations of teenage American girls. It had been, he explained, part of the research necessary for a book he was writing. But the Saudis in question do not have a work-in-progress entitled "Lolita" to explain, or justify, their behavior.

Posted by: Hugh at May 21, 2006 8:26 PM

Robert,
I just made the mistake of going and reading the garbage written on "Moonbat One" and it boggles the mind how the Left will side with the Devil himself if a conservative points out that his horns and pitchfork are not allowed in the schoolyard. If these guys had been on a mission from "allah" and mayhem had ensued, the Left would have been all over Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, DHS, DOD...etc, about how the Republicans let it happen, or better still...Made it happen. I can just hear Al and Randi blabbing to their 10 listeners now..."How Dare we discriminate against these two Arab youths, [Yutes where I come from] who just happened to accidentally get on the wrong bus...and who are we to say a guy can't wear a trench-coat in Florida, it does rain down there..."

Not here.
Not now.
Not ever.
CRUSADER18

Posted by: WIDEAWAKE at May 21, 2006 8:43 PM

Beslan is everywhere.

If raids on schools & buses is what Allah's soldiers are planning in the states, and if ridicule is all the left has to offer instead of caution, then I would hope that the left is held responsible for acting the village idiot and severely punished.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 21, 2006 9:04 PM

And Michelle Malkin is a target of racism & sexism by the leftie 'liberal' moonbats:

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005232.htm

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 21, 2006 9:33 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of the people who vote with the Democrat party (like a majority of Republican voters) in the U.S. are more or less on the same side as Robert on the whole Islam question. The Daily Kos happens to be written by a hyperpartisan Democrat who cares about one thing above all: the Democrats winning and the Republicans losing. Safety of school children on a bus comes second place, success of U.S. foreign policy comes second place, everything comes second place to Dems winning as far as Kos is concerned, it seems. But most Democrats are not nearly so partisan as Kos. The loudest of them, yes, but most of the rest are our allies or potential allies. Consider Germany, which politically pretty much only has the Left as any kind of effective political force. I gather their "conservatives" are more like what we in the U.S. might call centrist Democrats. That's about as far right as their serious politicians go. Nevertheless, recent polls of Germans show that quite large majorities of that rather leftish nation seem to have their eyes now increasingly open to the totalitarian character of the Koran, of Sahih Hadith and of most of Islam. And very few Germans like what they see. So if you are going to berate the Left, make sure you direct that only to the extreme partisans like Kos. Most of the Democrats are our allies or potential allies, just like most Republicans.

Posted by: traeh at May 21, 2006 9:49 PM

If trying to protect America and Americans from islam and the invasion across our borders makes me an American racist then I will wear the badge proudly.

The protection of America and Americans out weighs any words that any liberal or PCness can use.

Prove me wrong.

muslims the followers of islam killed over 3,000 Americans on 9/11.

670,000 illegals - mexicans - are in American jails because of harming and murdering Americans.

Speak up for America or America will be silenced and destroyed by this madness.

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and it will be immense.

Posted by: Texican at May 21, 2006 9:53 PM

storagemanager asks how Kos would regard the news story "Iranian students set up fund dedicated to Israel's destruction."

For your information, the Left has also committed itself to the same thing now. They crossed that line just last week, when far-left author Noam Chomsky actually met with Hassan Nasrallah, the "secretary-general" of Hezbollah, and praised them effusively:

http://tinyurl.com/rj84c

Needless to say, Iranian news media has played that up big:

http://tinyurl.com/o55w4

But the Left has gone even further than that, flirting with actual Jew hatred now. An independent filmmaker produced this video, "Peace, Love and Anti-Semitism," showing an undercurrent of real anti-Semitism in the "peace" movement against the Iraq War. "Peace" activists suggested that after Israel is eliminated, all Jews living there should be shipped off to the island of Madagascar (now that idea has a familiar ring to it):

http://brain-terminal.com/posts/2003/04/04/peace-love-anti-semitism

(the trailer is a free download but you can buy the full DVD)

Posted by: Steven L. at May 21, 2006 10:04 PM

While Markos dismisses the whole affair, someone at the beloved lefty WaPo is beginning to get it. Today, they printed a seminal article about the continued anti-Semitic, anti-Christian, and anti-Western rhetoric which dominates Saudi teaching.

What is brilliant about Nina Shea's piece (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/19/AR2006051901769.html) is not the revelation of the information - the PMW and others have been documenting this for years - but that it was featured so prominently in a MSM paper.

More importantly, she calls into question the teaching materials being used in, prepare yourself for this one, Muslim schools in this country.

Posted by: Bubbaman at May 21, 2006 10:09 PM

stevenl....Anti-Semitism make me to sick to my soul....no more i can say.

Posted by: storagemanager at May 21, 2006 10:12 PM

kraeh says, "Most of the Democrats are our allies or potential allies, just like most Republicans." That is true. The problem is that the more ideologically rigid activist base of a party will usually demand a reward for their helping to get the party's candidates elected. For example, President Bush's nominations of Roberts and Alito to the Supreme Court were a reward to the conservative base of the Republican Party.

I'm sure that Zuniga's far-left Kossacks will demand a similar reward from Democrats they help elect. And they should get one for their hard work. But abandonment of America's hard line on counter-terrorism should not be that reward. The Democratic Party can throw them some other sop--but not that one.

Posted by: Steven L. at May 21, 2006 10:24 PM

I would say that if this is the only item at JW that has attracted Kos' scorn, you are doing well. Perhaps he hasn't known about JihadWatch for long.

Poor Kos, he doesn't understand that if the Islamists triumph, he'll have to move himself and his 'blog to the Moon or beyond, and the jihad will follow him even there. Any novelists out there? That might be the plot of a potboiler more useful and interesting than "The Da Vinci Code". You could have extended discourses explaining the niceties of Islamic jurisprudence, and even a live inquiry to an Islamist "ask a mullah" site to get an opinion about the tolerability of an infidel exodus to another planet. My suspicion is that such a colony would be an affront to the dignity of the Islamic state and would have to be brought under the Dhimma, leading to an interplanetary jihad. And there is even a literary precedent for this concept --- Ray Bradbury's "Martian Chronicles", with its exodus of American Blacks to Mars. That is many decades old and a refurbishment might be timely. A series of short sci-fi stories about the infidel exodus from planet Earth to escape the Jihad. Call it "The Dhimma Chronicles."

I don't own this idea. Somebody pick it up and make some money.

Posted by: Dhimmisoftheworldunite at May 21, 2006 10:25 PM

kraeh says, "Most of the Democrats are our allies or potential allies, just like most Republicans." That is true. The problem is that the more ideologically rigid activist base of a party will usually demand a reward for their helping to get the party's candidates elected. For example, President Bush's nominations of Roberts and Alito to the Supreme Court were a reward to the conservative base of the Republican Party.

I'm sure that Zuniga's far-left Kossacks will demand a similar reward from Democrats they help elect. And they should get one for their hard work. But abandonment of America's hard line on counter-terrorism should not be that reward. The Democratic Party can throw them some other sop--but not that one.

Posted by: Steven L. at May 21, 2006 10:25 PM

Dhimmisoftheworldunite writes: "Poor Kos, he doesn't understand that if the Islamists triumph, he'll have to move himself and his 'blog to the Moon or beyond, and the jihad will follow him even there. Any novelists out there?"

Yes, there already is at least one such novel: "Prayers for the Assassin," the first "It Can Happen Here" novel about life in the Islamic States of America in the year 2040, after the Islamist takeover of the United States:

"The second half of the Super Bowl began right after midday prayers. The fans in Khomeini Stadium had performed their ablutions by rote, awkwardly prostrating themselves, heels splayed, foreheads not even touching the ground. . ." (Of course, the cheerleaders are all male.)

http://www.prayersfortheassassin.com/

There is also a tie-in website that's supposed to be the latest "news" from the Islamic States of America:

http://www.republicworldnews.com/

Posted by: Steven L. at May 21, 2006 10:42 PM

James Woods had a similar experience on one of the 9-11 flights a few weeks prior to the actual event. He most likely witnessed a dry run of the hijacking and told the FBI about it. Too bad they didn't take him as seriously as authorities took this bus driver.

Posted by: Jeffersonian at May 21, 2006 10:53 PM

The story doesn't really have to do with me, or Kos, at all. The point is that the Left consistently blames the messenger and downplays the real threat. And here's an example.

Cordially
Robert Spencer
Posted by: jihadwatc

Yes, very much yes.. I consider myself to the left of apparently most Jihad Watchers, however KOS doesn't speak for me, and neither does any other leftist group or site.

These people are fools, they defend an ideology that would not tolerate them in the least, nor for one minute.

Yes, the Christian Right and "conservatives" go to extremes, and can be as rigid and intolerant as the Mullahcracy of Iran or the Wahhabis, but all considered our heritage in the west has definite Christian subtext, and Christianity though quite guilty of excesses in the past (and for some right wingers the present and future) has done something that Islam can't ever do, and that is change and humanize ..btw, I've come to the conclusion that the Inquisition was learned from the Muslims, as the Caliph of Andalusia also conducted it's own inquistions against what they considered to be fake Muslims.

Final note, if I were backed into a corner and forced to choose between Mosaic/Noachidic Law, Shari'a or the teachings of Jesus, Jesus wins out every day.. total humane and humanistic in comparison to the other two.

Posted by: Nariz at May 21, 2006 11:10 PM

I have the following problem:

I been asked to help a Korean student write a uni essay on why Australia is racist and Islamophobic.

Obviously if she disputes this “fact” she will be failed by the do gooder left wing uni.

She also knows Islam is evil.

What should I do – help her tell the truth and fail? (she is paying big bucks to be “educated”)

Or write according to what the uni wants???

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at May 21, 2006 11:13 PM

I think that something is being missed here.

In Europe, in Australia and of course in their own lands, the Mohammedans often LORD over those around them, and part of that is physical intimidation, physical fear, psychological fear.

I've seen sites where they've transcribed European interviews with some of the "youth" {id est muslim}. And part of the kick the "youth" derive from their vandalism and violence, is their savoring the reaction of their victims, they feel the fear of those around them, AND FEED OFF OF IT. It excites them, it makes them feel like supermen, unstoppable, untouchable, all conquering.

Saw this in the Australian Coruna beach story, where for months muslims wandered the beaches in huge gangs, preying upon all others, and instilling fear. Fjordman has written some pieces describing similar actions in Sweden.

THOSE stories, that experience of their muslim brethern on foreign shores, has gotten back to these Saudis. And what these Saudis could have been doing, is trying to replicate that fear, trying to get that sense of power, of dread, of LORDSHIP.

They want to sense RAZZIA, but without actually going out on operations.

Recall razzia is all about inflicting dread, inflicting fear, inflicting TERROR. That being the case, jihad/razzia makes islam the oldest ongoing terrorist operation in human history.

Posted by: Dan at May 21, 2006 11:19 PM

Dan - go and check out Haidon's comments about the Cronulla riots over on Dhimmi Watch. According to him - Cronulla had nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with evil white men. (the Aussie Hate books in Islamic Bookstores story)

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at May 21, 2006 11:30 PM

and before 911...

... just having security talk to Saudi gentlemen about to board airplanes was seen as harrasement, or racial targetting, so are we back to pre-911. Have we learned nothing?

No apologies anymore.

If it looks like a duck. It's a duck.

'they are testing the fences', quote from Jurasic Park.

Posted by: winston at May 21, 2006 11:33 PM

Are people really surprised by the reaction of Kos to this story? There are people on the left who actually believe it's just luck that's the reason we haven't had another 9/11 in the US.Just more proof of why the left can never be trusted with power.

Posted by: Roxane at May 21, 2006 11:44 PM

Has there been any update of the story about the guy in the airport?

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/site/modules/news/article.php?storyid=296

Posted by: Abby at May 21, 2006 11:50 PM

"You're just not going to believe this outrage!!! Two men got on a school bus!!!!! This is just incredible!!!!!"

1)Two grown men totally unrelated to the school or its activities do not belong on a school bus. In the US, strangers are routinely kept out of school property and away from schoolchildren.
2)The actions of the driver were surprising, however, she was a substitute and therefore possibly unsure of herself.
3)School buses are markedly different from municipal buses. The men could not have been asked to pay a fare. I have seen a number of immigrants on local buses; the men are rarely confused and rarely misunderstand the concept of money exchange.
4)These men were enrolled at a university-level English language institute but claimed they were trying to enroll in high school classes.
6)All of the above is suspicious even without having to refer to the fact that they were Saudis claiming to be Moroccans.
5)One has the impression that a "hands-off" policy was being carried out by the police, up to the point where the judge revoked bail.

Posted by: HaMalach at May 22, 2006 12:01 AM

The Kos Kidz may laugh and ridicule, but adult men have boarded school buses before: The 1976 Chowchilla school bus kidnapping

Two things about the stranger caught Ed's attention: the guns he was holding and the nylon stocking stretched over his head.

Being solely responsible for the 26 children still on board, Ed opened the door, hoping to avoid the use of the firearms on either himself or one of his charges.

The strange man quickly mounted the steps inside the bus and ordered Ed to get up and move to the back of the bus. The children, ranging in age from 5 to 14, had various reactions to the appearance of the newcomer. Some thought it was a prank and giggled, while others became frightened immediately. Before they could react, and before Ed had moved down the aisle and reached the back seat, two more masked men appeared from around the back of the "stalled" van and jumped into the bus.

Soon one of the men took the wheel and continued driving down lonely Avenue 21 while another stayed near the front, watching the kids and Ed. The third followed in the white van. After a few minutes the driver pulled the bus into a drainage slough and cut the motor. In an almost business-like fashion, the white van backed up to the front door of the bus and the men ordered half of the occupants into the back. All of the windows in the back of the van had been covered over, allowing in no light. The back door of the white van was then locked from the outside and the van was driven away. That van was quickly replaced by a similar vehicle, into which those remaining on the school bus were efficiently herded.

As Ed moved from the bus into one of the vans, his confused mind tried to capture any details of the men, the vans, the location — anything to retain some thread of sanity or illusion of control.

Once the second of the vans had been securely locked, the 27 hostages had gone from the bright environs of a sunny summer afternoon to the dark and claustrophobic cave of a small van. It all happened in just minutes.

Pardn my French, but this shit ain't funny.

Posted by: Spiny Norman at May 22, 2006 12:04 AM

"You're just not going to believe this outrage!!! Two men got on a school bus!!!!! This is just incredible!!!!!

Idiots like this guy are precisely a part of the problem.

These two Morrocans, or....Saudis, knew they boarded a school bus and not a public transportation vehicle. Did they not say that they wanted to enroll in English classes?

Why was one of them wearing a trench coat in Florida weather?

There are going to be numbskulls like this that just don't get it. They come with the turf.

Posted by: Prickzilla at May 22, 2006 12:44 AM

Hmmm.

"I think it's plausible that someone who doesn't know America very well might mistake a school bus for a public bus."

I disagree completely.

American transit buses come in all shapes, sizes, forms and colors. But American school buses have both a distinctive shape and a highly distinctive color. Frankly I don't know of any other vehicle on the roads in America that could possibly even look like an American school bus. I believe they are that unique.

Additionally America is also a cultural center for producing movies, and many movies are made both about America and within America. It is an extremely rare film about America that does not have at least one scene with a highly distinctive American schoolbus.

I think it's practically impossible for twenty-something Saudi Arabian student, with their extensive access to American movies, to not be able to recognize an American schoolbus immediately.

This was premeditated, deliberate and done for a reason.

Posted by: ed at May 22, 2006 1:19 AM

Hmmmm.

"What should I do – help her tell the truth and fail? (she is paying big bucks to be “educated”)

Or write according to what the uni wants???"

It doesn't matter what she writes. It only matters what she knows and believes.

So tell her to write whatever nonsense the lefty professor is obviously looking for.

And then once she's graduated then send a copy of assignment and the name of the institution and professor to organizations that are dedicated to fighting this nonsense.

Posted by: ed at May 22, 2006 1:27 AM

-Steven L.,

Did you notice that here storagemanager quoted from LGF a section that had been copied from Robert Ferrigno's blog?

Posted by: Eisenhund at May 22, 2006 1:55 AM

The not so funny thing is that these left wing sites are so infiltrated with radical islam sympathizers posing as Americans that anything they say can be simply dismissed as useful idiocy.

Posted by: chicagoray at May 22, 2006 1:57 AM

3xlucky,

My daughter quit her ME studies program at Bond university for exactly the same reason. Every time she tried to tell the truth, she was shouted down left, right and center. The teach who let this happen was now replaced by guess who?

A proper Mohammedan da'wa prop, who will do whatever he can to propagate Allahs will in the lands of the infidels.

How much longer do we have to put up with this s#*t?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 22, 2006 2:02 AM

Saudi writer warns that girls must not exercise, or else they might get attracted to each other

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060518/ap_on_he_me/fitness_saudi_women

Uh, I think that writer has been watching too much late-night cable shows on Al-Jazeera.

Posted by: sanman at May 22, 2006 2:37 AM

Some reading material:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/AbulKasem40730.htm The Root of Terrorism a la Islamic Style, by Abul Kasem.

http://www.islam-watch.org/ (ex-Muslim site)

Here's another (Sorry, have to advertise)
http://www.islam-watch.org/Archemedez/KillingInKoran.htm

http://www.religioustolerance.org/islkill.htm This deals with the doctrine tattarrus, very interesting.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 22, 2006 2:38 AM

Somebody tell his guy to let his daughter be on a bus with two saudis. That will tell him the truth, fast.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 22, 2006 2:46 AM

-Archimedes,

In your article on islam-watch, did you get your Hilali-Khan qur'an from the Saudi embassy? The nicely-bound one they so graciously send for free from their website?

Got my copy a couple of months back. Always nice of the enemy to generously provide ammunition with which one may attack them.

"Here you go Infidel (iron)dog, this should be a nice addition to your armory...hey, why are you pointing that thing at me?!"

Posted by: Eisenhund at May 22, 2006 3:54 AM

Eisenhund,

Indeed; I've always thought that the Koran itself is the achilles heel of Islam. Not sure why the Saudis want it exposed in this fashion.

Actually I came across the Hilali-Khan version online. 10 Qur’an translations
http://www.quranbrowser.com/

It's a good site because, among other things, it's searchable by key words.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 22, 2006 4:45 AM

Like profitsbeard, I am sure that if two old-stock American adult men, whether white, black or red, or maybe pinkskinned, blue-eyed, and blonde-haired, speaking perfect English with a southern American accent got on a school bus, they too would be the objects of suspicion and fear by the schoolchildren. There seems to be a lot of fear of pedophiles in the USA and Europe in recent years. So any grown men of any skin hue getting on a bus, other than known school personnel or parents, would be the object of suspicion on account of pedophilia. I also agree that these Saudis should have known that a school bus was different from a regular transit bus for reasons given above.

The bus driver, as a woman, may have feared to confront two strange men directly.

I believe that terrorists attacked a school bus here in Israel [with guns, I think] as early as 1969-1970 near Kibbutz Avivim near the Lebanese border.

Posted by: Eliyahu at May 22, 2006 5:00 AM

Islamasoft Solutions has a downloadable qur'an (Pickthall translation) as well as hadith software. Both are searchable. Unfortunately, the latter does not include Ishaq. Nonetheless, it does include the more accepted collections, enough of them to give one a pretty clear impression of their brutish, megalomaniacal "prophet".

Posted by: Eisenhund at May 22, 2006 5:41 AM

What's that? Ishaq is sira not hadith? Big diff.

My sincerest apologies to any mohammedans who may've taken offense.

No, really...

Posted by: Eisenhund at May 22, 2006 5:59 AM

Dan:
You make an interesting point of the beach incidents in Australia. The native Australian youth were reacting against the continued harassment and violence of Muslim youth on their beaches including beating up of lifeguards and gang rapes of Australian girls with racial slurs by these Moslem thugs.
Yet police acted by arresting and imprisoning Australian youth but the Muslim thugs rode free into their Sydney slum that police were afraid to patrol. What would the reaction be if a parent grabbed these two school bus thugs by the neck and threw them into the street? Would the American papers call them drunks or influenced by Nazis or skinheads like the Aussie papers did? I would be very interested what is going on in your country, Dan. We sometimes forget that the Australians are also kinsmen in the battle and that the beach riots were a flagrant result of the fangs of Islam.

Posted by: Briars at May 22, 2006 7:00 AM

Steven L.:

Fortunately, Kos' record is 0-10K.

Posted by: Oyster at May 22, 2006 8:04 AM

Anybody see an NBC crew nearby when these two intense trench coated Arabian Moslems entered the schools bus filled with American infidel kids?

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at May 22, 2006 8:24 AM

The truth today is that too many people lack good old-fashioned common sense. Too many leaders as well as the media have been so afraid of appearing "racist" that they have failed to raise very legitamate concerns and have failed to take necessary action and this has put the US in danger. This is also the case throughout the Western world however, ie. Canada, Europe, Austalia. I agree with the comments above.
There is no mistaking an American school bus, they look very different from mass transit buses. School buses are bright yellow and have the name of the school and the fact that it is a school bus printed in very large black letters on it. Also, one would be a fool not to be suspicious of two grown men trying to get on a school bus. Even if they were Americans, they could be pedophiles or something. Also, the fact that these men were wearing trenchcoats in May in the Florida heat, that they not only lied about where they were from, they lied 3 different times. Only a fool would dismiss that a racism and not be VERY suspicious.

Re:"pissedoffcanadian"--I live in Texas and as far as your co-worker goes, it's the same here. We recently had one non-white woman who was fired. Her hours of work were Mon-Fri 8-5, yet somedays, she would show up for work at noon without calling and giving a reason that she would be late or she would take 3 hour lunches even though we only have 1 hour for lunch or she would just up and leave at 2pm, 3 hours early, no reason given. She was repeatedly warned and told to stop doing this. All employees are given a written statement of company rules which she flagrantly violated. When they finally fired her, she threw a fit and started yelling that she was a victim of all these racist whites, blah blah blah. She complained to the EEOC(Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) which investigates complaints of unfair treatment in the workforce but they dismissed her claim because of the evidence against her. Truth is, is she had been white, they'd have fired her long ago!!

Posted by: corli at May 22, 2006 8:36 AM

Sheik yermami

I live not 15kms from Bond Uni.
If what you say is true (and i find it hard to believe on the Gold coast, one of the areas of Australia least penetrated by Da'wa and Islamic prop). then you should let everyone know , including Andrew Bolt at the Sun herald, the Gold coast Bulletin. Channel 7.

Posted by: chevalier de st george at May 22, 2006 9:07 AM

It is a lame tactic to exaggerate the position that you are attemtping to dispute to the point of a caricature, so that it is distorted beyond all recognition. Sort of like the Chief Dhimmi calling the volunteers for border enforcement "vigilantes."

This "Kos" example of extrapolating someone else's argument to the point of absurdity just makes me chuckle, but hardly is a convincing argument.

Posted by: amana39 at May 22, 2006 10:11 AM

Why do they always bring up McVeigh? Maybe I'm wrong but McVeigh didn't use his religion as justification of his actions did he? I watched a Google video recently, the person giving teh lecture asked if anyone knew what religion McVeigh was, someone said Christian. The lecturer (an American convert) then asked why the 9/11, 7/7 etc bombers are always identified as islamic but that McVeigh was never called a Christian terrorist. Someone in the audience pointed out that it was because McVeigh never used Christianity as justification unlike the 9/11-7/7 bombers. At which point the lecturer got quite annoyed and said that the person who pointed that out should wait until the end before making such comments. Odd, considering he asked the question in the first place. Needless to say, at the end the McVeigh issue was neatly ignored.

Posted by: DaveMate at May 22, 2006 11:02 AM

Racist, bigot, homophobe, sexist etc. These words have been used for the last 10-15 years every day and have been so diluted in their meaning that they are almost laughable.

PC-speak is rapidly becoming a joke. Truthfully, when you hear some city councilman calling another city councilman a racist, or some senator calling the President a bigot, who do you look at first, the object of the dersion or the source of the comment?

Look at how many comedians are joking about short people being "gravitationally challenged" or mockingly saying "people of the black persuation".

The KosKids calling someone a racist or an Islamophobe for a completely reasonable response to a situation only reflects on them, and makes them look ridiculous.

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at May 22, 2006 11:29 AM

I guess this is the new politically correct advice Mr. Zuniga and other Left parents give their young children these days: "Honey, if you're walking down the street and a Saudi man you don't know offers you a ride in his car, accept it! To turn him down would look like you're racist."

Posted by: Steven L. at May 22, 2006 11:54 AM

Steven L.

No, you tell the child not to get in the car, because the internal combustion engine only contributes to GLOBAL WARMING.

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at May 22, 2006 12:04 PM

Remember the comment from the 911 Commission regarding a "lack of imagination?" I don't know about you but my imagination is hyper-vivid and plenty active. Why is it our stodgy bureaucratic TSA/CIA/FBI are still finding it difficult to imagine sh*t that's ALREADY happened? We're in a heap of trouble if we're depending on this group of flat-liners to keep their eye on the ball, yes sir. While these PC'er's are disdainfully waving away a couple of Saudi guys who jumped on a school bus -- one wearing SHORTS AND TRENCHCOAT, the plotters are saying to eachother, "See, I told you they wouldn't do anything."

Posted by: Kemaste at May 22, 2006 12:08 PM

Why is it our stodgy bureaucratic TSA/CIA/FBI are still finding it difficult to imagine sh*t that's ALREADY happened?

Because as Michael Savage wrote 'Liberalism is a Mental Disorder. http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/index.html

Posted by: tgusa at May 22, 2006 12:19 PM

Hi 3rdtimelucky,

Maybe there is a way to thread this needle and retain integrity and still pass.

Write the essay to answer the question:

***Why*** Australia is racist and Islamophobic.

In other words, explain the things that lead Australians to fear Islam and distrust people from Muslim-majority countries. But do it in a way that does not express pesonal disapproval of these Islamic practices.

This permits her to demonstrate her understanding of the multicultural dogma, which is probably one of the instructor's objectives.

If your friend is daring, she could go into some of the details of the cultural practices that "racist" australians find distasteful, such as genital mutilation, polygyny, amputation as punishment for theft (in some countries), execution as punishment for adultery (in some countries) and on and on.

Such a description would seem to be appropriate to the assignment, since it does answer the question "Why Australia is racist and Islamophobic":

Australia is racist and Islamophobic because many Australians don't like these practices and don't approve of them. Most Australians are not cultural relativists. Most Australians consider Australian culture to be superior to the kinds of cultures which have evolved under Islam. Naturally, they approve what they consider superior and disapprove what they consider inferior. This evaluation of "superior" and "inferior" and the attendant disapproval of what is regarded as "inferior" is what the instructor considers "racism and Islamophobia", so it would seem appropriate to note it. Your friend would simply be documenting the details that motivate Australian racism and Islamophobia.

She could go on to observe that what Australians consider "human rights" are generally not as available in countries which are governed by strict Islamic principles, and many Australians seem to be afraid that this might happen in Australia too. It might be appropriate to cite examples from the Australian constitution or laws that legally instantiate civil rights that most Australians value, and that they presumably want to continue to be available in Australia. Then, describe how many of these are not available in countries governed under strict Islamic principles. Explicit examples, such as the sequestration of women (not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia, not allowed to go to school under certain Islamic regimes, such as the one-time Taliban regime in Afghanistan), the lesser value of women's testimony in courts of law. And on and on. Many Australians don't like these things and don't want them in Australia. This is a clear example of "fear of Islam" or "Islamophobia."

Perhaps an insight that would be worth noting is that the racism may be derivative of the Islamophobia. Australians may be more afraid of Islam than they are hateful of people who happen to hail from Muslim majority parts of the world. And, to the extent that Australians are intrinsically racist (which is a possibility), that racism may be heightened and intensified by Australian fear of Islam. This is, of course, the phenomenon of "profiling".

In the course of this description, it would be important for your friend to maintain a professional clinical detachment so that she does not personally express disapproval of the Islamic practices --- in other words, she is not herself a racist or Islamophobe.

She must write as a clinically detached cultural relativist, like the instructor. She can explain that distaste for these practices is considered racist from the perspective of the mainstream philosophical view of cultural relativism, since, from that perspective, no culture is intrinsically superior or preferable to any other, and therefore every culture should be judged by its own standards and not by the standards of another culture.

The idea here would be to fulfill the assignment to understand and regurgitate the multicultural dogam, but do it in a way that respectfully invites the reader to note the absurdity of this position.

BE SURE to document all factual assertions with references from reputable research literature. Don't cite the anti-jihadist alternative media.

A final and very daring parting touch (or maybe this would best be stated in the introduction) might be to note that the writer is reluctant to express strong personal disapproval of Australian racism and Islamophobia because this may be an intrinsic part of Australian culture, and from the posture of cultural relativism, this is as legitimate as any other culture.

So the writer has a professinally neutral attitude toward Islamic culture and toward Australian culture too. You can't get more culturally relativistic than that.

This invites the instructor to expose his own cultural absolutism, that Australian culture is evil.

This is not an easy thing to do, but it might accomplish what you hope. I doubt that it would earn an A+, but perhaps it would get a passing grade.

A final concern is that you want to understand the "academic integrity" regulations of the university. She may need to acknowledge your help.

I hope that is helpful and I wish you and your friend well.

Posted by: Dhimmisoftheworldunite at May 22, 2006 12:22 PM

Hi 3rdtimelucky,

By the way, if your friend does mention "genital mutilation", it might be best to use more clinically dispassionate terms such as

"female circumcision" or "clitoridectomy"

It is my understanding that this practice stems from the intention to reduce female enjoyment of intercourse and thereby reduce their incentive to adultery. But document that from the anthropological literature. That is a cultural value and not subject to criticism from the posture of cultural relativism.

Put the truth out there, but from a posture of neutrality for the sake of getting the "pass" grade.
In a situation like that, one doesn't have to call evil by the name "evil" to clearly display its evilness. When people in a position of absolute weakness speak truth to power, it can be very helpful to do so in a way that does not condescend or challenge the power of the one with the power --- unless one is looking for martyrdom. Defer as much as possible to the power (in this case, adopt the posture of cultural relativism) and from that deferential posture speak the truth. If the person in power is not completely insane or deluded, he may catch a glimpse of his own folly.

Of course, there is a time for rebellion, but this does not sound like it.

After your friend has graduated, post that piece on the web (under a pseudonym). Or offer it as an editorial or letter to some Australian newspapers.

Yes, Australians are racist and Islamophobic, and here's why. Bully for us and Long live the Queen!

Posted by: Dhimmisoftheworldunite at May 22, 2006 1:51 PM

to 3rdtimelucky:

You might try sending a concise email describing the problem, the name of the university, and the country where it is to someone (probably David Horowitz) over at www.frontpagemagazine.com. Frontpage is quite active and effective on behalf of academic freedom and might be able to give you some suggestions.

Posted by: traeh at May 22, 2006 2:29 PM

There is a post on this at Six Meat Buffet by Preston Taylor Holmes. Apparently, the Kos Kidz took offense and launched an attack on the comments, now the site is down, hobbled by the web host for using too much database resources. Preston is looking at another host now.

They can't make a reasoned argument, so they have themselves a little cyber-tantrum to get their point across. Yep, we sure got the point!

Posted by: LissaKay at May 22, 2006 3:16 PM

Chevalier sez:

"...I live not 15kms from Bond Uni.
If what you say is true (and i find it hard to believe on the Gold coast, one of the areas of Australia least penetrated by Da'wa and Islamic prop). then you should let everyone know , including Andrew Bolt at the Sun herald, the Gold coast Bulletin. Channel 7..."

Don't take my word for it, check it out for yourself, especially if your nearby!

Find out the name of the current teach for ME studies, find out about the curriculum, (Sufi Islam) "Muslims usually have one wife" etc. Write to the headmaster and see if you get a response, I doubt it...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 22, 2006 6:44 PM

Liberals actively support, and are in collusion with terrorists, and want them to win. Comments like those on kos show this. They are traitors, and should be dealt with as such in the traditional manner.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 22, 2006 7:18 PM

Robert, your critic doesn't seem to understand that Saudis are Caucasians. He ought to go to Darfur to understand Arab vs. African-Negro race racism.

There are light skined Caucasians (Irish, e.g.) and generally darker skinned Caucasians (Saudis, Aryans (Iranians), e.g.).

The issue here is about facts and behavior. (Your critic should get on a schoolbus in Florida wearing a trench coat-and he will find out that he will be treated far harsher than these Saudis. The police will make him understand that.)

You are a rationalist. You critic is probably a racist.

This whole "racism" crap as a response to facts about jihad behavior is becoming a meaningless term of abuse. It's really getting tired as an argument-and some people are even starting to laugh at it. Times are changing. The Bull Shit of people like your critic isn't working anymore-and will be openy laughed at in the not too distant future.

Posted by: Frank at May 22, 2006 7:46 PM

somethingaboutislam posted:

"The Left is jihad. And now that communism is finished as a threat to the west, Islam now is their only hope in undermining and destroying our culture and civilization."

Way to spit right in the bucket guy. But as for linking to Kos, how can you win a battle without recon? Lets face it, we are all awash in the demented ideology of Mujabootlickers daily and that should provide you with that much more impetus.

Posted by: Thumper at May 22, 2006 8:13 PM

R-

BTW, one thing that strikes me about the Central Florida CAIR response: they were more interested in diverting the issue to one of culture (Saudis, language, etc.)than addressing the real fear and psychological stress put on the children and their parents. They showed no concern for that. It's amazing. People notice this.

The schoolbus issue is about behavior. Probably the police (because a lot of people are still snowed by this "racism" crap) went easier on these Saudis for PC reasons. The police would have been far roughher on someone who looked like McVeigh. Bet on it.

BTW, I'm sure your critic is very easy on Arabs (al-Hussani, etc.) who served in the Nazi SS in WW2 because they were not light skinned German Caucasians. Maybe your critic would have felt at home in such a Nazi multi-cultural environment. He shares their "race" obcession.

Posted by: Frank at May 22, 2006 8:18 PM

R-

BTW, one thing that strikes me about the Central Florida CAIR response: they were more interested in diverting the issue to one of culture (Saudis, language, etc.)than addressing the real fear and psychological stress put on the children and their parents. They showed no concern for that. It's amazing. People notice this.

The schoolbus issue is about behavior. Probably the police (because a lot of people are still snowed by this "racism" crap) went easier on these Saudis for PC reasons. The police would have been far roughher on someone who looked like McVeigh. Bet on it.

BTW, I'm sure your critic is very easy on Arabs (al-Hussani, etc.) who served in the Nazi SS in WW2 because they were not light skinned German Caucasians. Maybe your critic would have felt at home in such a Nazi multi-cultural environment. He shares their "race" obcession.

Posted by: Frank at May 22, 2006 8:18 PM

How the hell did that happen?-LOL. Damn....

Posted by: Frank at May 22, 2006 8:19 PM

Corli:
"Only a fool would dismiss that a racism and not be VERY suspicious."

Frank:

"Probably the police (because a lot of people are still snowed by this "racism" crap) went easier on these Saudis for PC reasons."

I don't think so to either of these suppositions. The articles on this situation were very interesting.
1)Although the police officers were quoted as describing possible confusion on the part of the Saudis, they provided a lot of information on specific statements the Saudis had made to the reporter.
2)The reporter put in the article the exact street addresses of the Saudis. Most people in this situation would not have exact addresses published. Pedophiles have their addresses on public record in some states. This is therefore clearly cautionary on the part of the reporter, possibly the editor as well.
3)In another article, it was noted that another judge revoked the Saudis' bail.

This suggests to me that there is antagonism to and suspicion of people such as these Saudis which is now being acted on, not strongly, but with increasing concern. It is possible that the local police are concerned about lawsuits or some other kind of retaliation. I think the judge wanted to send a message to the Saudis, and possibly the police as well.

Also, the trenchcoat and shorts. I would like to know how many Muslim men in Saudi Arabia go into a public place dressed in just shorts (no shirt)? Or in fact even a trenchcoat with no pants showing under? Also, exactly when was he going to take the trenchcoat off? Or why did he go out in that kind of outfit? Some thoughts: it was noted about the 9/11 terrorists that the traceable ones who lived in the US before the attack were mostly "model citizens" if they lived in racially and ethnically mixed neighborhoods--they barbequed, were described as nicely dressed, polite etc. In short, they did everything to blend into the environment. We are not seeing that any more. We are seeing an advance of overt antagonism through contempt and arrogant behavior. These men feel protected in some way (and they probably are), otherwise they would not have acted the way they did.

Posted by: HaMalach at May 23, 2006 12:53 AM

They said they were enrolled in the english language institute at USF but I wonder if anybody bothered to check to see if they actually attended classes on a regular basis.

Posted by: dms at May 23, 2006 2:16 AM

Re: "3rdtimelucky"--Some suggestions: As far as the accusation of racism, your friend could explain that Islam is not a "race" but a religion so race would not be applicable. She could also state somewhere that racism exists in every country and is a "global" problem and that while it exists in Australia it exists everywhere and is something the entire world needs to work on purging. (That will appeal to his "do-gooderness."

As far as "Islamaphobia", what was said aboveby another poster was perfect and I agree. She could cite that every country on earth has a unique culture and set of values about what is right and wrong.
She could write an essay comparing and contrasting differences in societal values and beliefs between Muslim and Australians and why each disapproves of and resists the other's values in their societies. She could site the true fact that many Muslim countries, such as Iran, Saudi Arabia etc., censor Western movies and literature because they go against Muslim values. she should name specific examples(movies with sexual content go against Muslim beliefs)She should go into great detail their Muslim beliefs and why they resist Western influences and disapprove(an example--they disapprove of equality for women, cite specific examples or verses from the Koran). Then she could contrast that with Australian values. She could bring up specific Muslim practices such as honor killings and why they go against Australian values. She could say that in Australia, an honor killing goes against the sacred Australian belief that cold-blooded murder is wrong. As was said, she needs to be very specific and make sure her facts are correct. Instead of saying Islam is evil, she should let Islam's behavior speak for itself.

She could end by asking the question, Is Australia or the Muslim world racist or phobic for disapproving of and resisting cultures with practices that go against their values and belief systems? If the answer is yes, then Australians would be racist and phobic but so would the Muslim world. If the answer is no, then it just means that Australians have the right to resist cultures with beliefs that go against their values and morality, just like the Muslim world does.

Posted by: corli at May 23, 2006 7:30 AM

Multiculturalism at work

Two Caucasians get together to discuss Jewish studies.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jerusalem-archives.org/images/3-25b.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.jerusalem-archives.org/period3/3-25.html&h=339&w=500&sz=26&hl=en&start=5&tbnid=FcJZRE-GxMbExM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3DAmin%2BAl-Husseini%2B%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-US%26sa%3DN

Caucasians from different cultures work together

http://tellthechildrenthetruth.com/amin_en.html#part1

Multiculturalism at work

Posted by: Frank at May 23, 2006 7:54 AM

Try this link

Two Caucasians get together to discuss Jewish studies.

http://www.jerusalem-archives.org/period3/3-25.html

Posted by: Frank at May 23, 2006 7:59 AM

Just after the bombings in London, there was an Islamic guy dressed in the Arab garb, with the beard and little hat, who was riding around aimlessly on a pedal cycle. He would stop by the phone booth for a moment and then stop by the park.

What was amazing is that everyone who was on the street stopped - turned around and looked at the guy. I realized then that this had nothing to do with colour or race - this was survival.

In fact I saw the police just after, and I felt like telling them that there is an Islamic man around the corner acting strange.

Over reaction?
Maybe!

When Muslims are prepared to face up to the fact that they have a problem in their community and deal with it, then the rest of us can stop viewing their actions with suspicion.

These men rode a school bus, which was 8 miles away from their language school and they had been in the country for 6 months, learning English.

Could this be a Beslam prep?

Posted by: Pass It On at May 25, 2006 1:22 AM