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Jihad Watch Board Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald assesses the costs of the jihad for Western governments and taxpayers:
What is the actual expense caused by the large-scale presence of Muslims in the Lands of the Infidels, which so many are taught to believe are enemy lands, so that they are now settling deep within those enemy lines? And once there, they are entrusted with the task of transforming it, slowly or quickly, and making it a place where, eventually, Islam can dominate and Muslims rule. What is the cost this has entailed for Western governments?What is the cost of guarding every subway train and station, every bus station, every railroad station, every airport, and many planes? What is the cost of guarding synagogues and Jewish day schools, churches and Christian schools, Hindu temples? What is the cost of guarding the outspoken -- from Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Geert Wilders to Carl I. Hagen in Norway? What is the cost to protect pipelines, water-treatment plants, nuclear reactors? What is the cost to search for, or to keep under surveillance, known or suspected supporters of terrorism, whose support may be anything from active participation and planning, to giving refuge, to fundraising, to propaganda?
What is the cost to the countries of Western Europe and North America? Can someone offer a figure? What does it cost to investigate, arrest, and try people? What does it cost to pay for the long investigations? What does it cost to pay for a whole network of informers, some of whom are no doubt completely phony but have found a new way for Muslims to make a living on Infidel backs by offering to watch over their fellow Muslims?The whole problem need not have existed in the first place. But now -- is it tens of billions a year? Is it hundreds of billions a year? And what could have been done with that money? What could have been done had the mistake never been made in the first place – if Islam had been understood before admitting people? What could have been done to relieve poverty, to prevent cuts in spending on health, education, social security, if this enormous expense, which grows and grows and grows, were not present?
And shall we add in the hundreds of billions spent on the Jizyah of foreign aid to Muslim countries? The damage done, already, to the school systems, social cohesion, and general pleasantness of life in France, in Holland, in Germany, in England, in Belgium, in Norway, in Denmark, in Sweden?
What will that mosque proposed for Val d'Elsa in the heart of Tuscany -- that huge mosque demanded by local Muslims, to be erected between Siena and Florence, arising out of the Tuscan countryside, much to the horror of the local population that may be powerless to prevent this alien intrusion -- this alien and hostile intrusion, in the midst of green Tuscany? What will it cost?
What will it all add up to? What does it add up to right now?
And the money is not even well spent. It would not cost very much to:
1) develop sane immigration policies, based on an acknowledgment that those who want to replace Western societies with Sharia states are not welcome;
2) translate the best websites, including www.secularislam.org, www.dhimmitude.org, www.faithfreedom.org, www.jihadwatch.org into French, Spanish, Italian, German, Russian, Chiinese, Japanese, Hindi, Urdu, Turkish, Arabic, Farsi, not with machines but with the best translators, paid correctly for their services. All of this would still cost less than a plane or two, and could help to transform the understanding, by many in Europe, and even some in the Muslim world, of what is going on, and what the tenets of Islam are, and how they have worked out over 1350 years, and what that means for the world today.
3) see how the Saudi economy runs without technical experts from the West. Perhaps oil production will suffer; certainly that possibility must be factored into the real cost of oil, which should be reflected not in the price, but in the taxes the government should place on that oil. Since, in any case, the world's reserves will begin to decline by 2010, why wait to ease the pain?
By internalizing the real cost of fossil fuels and making them ever less attractive, while nuclear and solar energy become ever more attractive, and by depriving the Saudis of the financial wherewithal to support mosques and madrasas, to buy diplomats and journalists, to accumulate and distribute arms -- think of it.
Fight the Jihad. Save the Environment. All at one and the same time.
But none of this is being done. Penny-wise and pound-foolish is the Pentagon. Where is the attempt to get the truth out? Where is the propaganda? Why is the government silent? And if it insists on being silent, why does not covertly fund those who need funding to do what the government may be too afraid to do, but that must be done? Where are the rich, who instead of funding some university or NPR or suchlike, realize that it is they, it is their children and grandchildren, who will suffer if Europe becomes islamized, and if America lives in a state of permanent internal siege.
This is not a theoretical problem. It is completely realistic. Nothing matters as much.
Posted by Robert at May 26, 2006 8:42 PM
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Let me yell down into my basement and ask the two escaped murderers who broke into my house, declared squatters rights, and are happily cooking hotdogs over a pile of my books.
And then I'll consult with the local police and the lawyers who are trying to decide on the legal fine points of how to to evict these escaped convicts, if possible.
I think some obscure early 1800's era law permits them to stay until their ancestry is determined back ten generations, just to make sure they aren't either:
A) part Native American;
b) part Scandinavian, just in case some Vikings made it past Nova Scotia and the "Skraelings";
or:
C) Irish, on the off chance that a leather boat full of trans-Atlantic Kells-type monks got to Plymouth Rock 800 years before the Pilgrims.
Meanwhile I think I have to supply fresh frankfurters. And maybe buns.
But I refuse to capitulate to Grey Poupon!
(A taste of America's 'logic', in miniature, at the moment.)
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at May 26, 2006 9:05 PM
shutdown washington for a jackhammer....but let the real threats build like a bulldozer!
Posted by: storagemanager at May 26, 2006 9:06 PM
"Why is the government silent?"
That is so simple I am amazed you ask such a quextion.
Any western country that actually stands up against Islam and the Gulf states will find their economies wrecked by the massive wealth wielded by the Islamic states in the Gulf.
When you read about the ever growing deficit of the US budget, who do you think is providing the US cash to lend? Who do you think has enough US cash to subsidize the US's need for 5mpg SUV's, plastics and a governance system so corrupt as to defy belief?
The US is victim of it's own apetites and is now beholden to the Islamic states that control all the sweat crude in the world.
Even western states that are oil independant still rely on the cheap dollars available to subsidize weak or greedy economies.
Just watch what happens if the Gulf states change their benevolent policies concerning supporting western style governments - it will be a financial meltdown like we have never seen.
Your government knows this to be true better than you - that may explain many of their otherwise incomprehensable policies.
Bar
Posted by: blazar-jet at May 26, 2006 10:20 PM
Why does Fitzgerald need the ego boost of
"Jihad Watch Board Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald" with every post?
at May 26, 2006 10:42 PM
Wetfun,
What a rude question.
The answer is: I don't assume that anyone reading at any particular time has ever been here before or knows who the players are.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at May 26, 2006 10:44 PM
Wetfun,
Because Hugh can use words that are not in any dictionary. Until I read his posts I thought my teachers were adequate. Now I want to sue them. Never dis Hugh, I might be his only fan but at least I am loyal.
at May 26, 2006 10:48 PM
the costs will become cheaper when they start to bomb malls, schools, etc. they can intern them like they did during WW2 for the Japanese, and or evict them.
Posted by: Lulu at May 26, 2006 10:49 PM
Part of the cost points to the utter asymmetry of the Islamic war against the West.
We are about to be punished by the sting of this asymmetry again. I have been reading about the Military investigation and the Marines in Haditha November 2005 -- and the probable tone of their report. Early indications aren't good. For me this is all in context -- and the incident, while it may prove to be an atrocity, doesn't rank very high in my book for impact... But that's my take. What about everybody else?
If early reports and rumors prove to be correct in the slightest, we are about to see how unfair this war the Muslims are waging against us is. We will see how one transgression on our side will outweigh the gargantuan crimes and inhumanity of our enemy -- And since we are decent and they are not, we will witness the staggering costs such mistakes make us bear, while our enemy transgresses and transgresses and transgresses with little impedence.
We will shortly see how, while the Muslims are plotting the overthrow of every non-Muslim nation across the globe, while they are undermining and pillaging and murdering across the globe, while they are planning and bragging about mass extermination and mass murder -- We are about to see how nobody notices their transgressions or notices how they're doing nothing to stop their crimes, but how, despite our actions to correct, we will ALL be labelled by the actions of a few Marines who went 'too far'.
So there is no impedence for their war against us by the Muslims -- while we face complete impedence for our war of defense against them.
That too is a cost -- it will cost us morale -- it will peel off more supporters of defense and put them in the camp of 'it's all our fault'. Our reactions will help the Muslims win, and it will help us lose. The advent of Islam in the West has replenished the black oils which fuel the hatreds and agendas of the haters of the West -- those who wish to dismantle all vestiges of Western prowess and power -- those who want to destroy us ...
Sometimes I wonder how we can we compete with an enemy who needs only to spend $1 to force $1,000,000 or perhaps $10,000,000 out of our coffers? Or who can murder literally 10s of thousands and get a pass, while we kill perhaps 20 in cold blood and are treated as if we have murdered all of humanity. This is the calculus we're facing. Somehow, something must change in this calculus before we can prevail.
Posted by: jsla at May 26, 2006 10:50 PM
how about respect...he earned it...thank you robert and hugh...you provide a service that is needed in this p.c. twilight zone we live in.
Posted by: storagemanager at May 26, 2006 10:51 PM
I realize I sound more glib than I would wish in the post above about the findings... if these killings end up being as cold blooded and methodical as some of the rumors indicate -- this is a serious crime.
It will be blown out of all proportion, nevertheless, by all the detractors. I simply bring it up to illustrate how we can never live anything down, and our enemy can't do anything bad enough to surprise us or to make us rally for very long. Who'd think that as the 5th year passes after 9/11, most in the West are still blindly and happily feeding on the obfuscations and pro-Islamic sewage spewed by Muslims and their apologists? The idea that EVERYONE doesn't understand what a threat Islam poses by now, or that the West continues to welcome Muslim immigrants into our domain is insane to me!
Posted by: jsla at May 26, 2006 11:17 PM
Whats the costs? Americans have become lulled in the sense, that the government will handle all the nasty work to be done. We just need to keep on being good little workers, and everything will be ok.Old mo doesn't mean what he says, cause islam is a religion of peace.
Posted by: AMartinez at May 26, 2006 11:20 PM
Mr. Fitzgerald: I consider myself to be on your side, so I would ask you to make these statements ‘tighter’, because your article does not fully recognize current political forces that are driving strategy / behaviour.
You ask about the cost of ‘policing jihad’ with the extra security apparatus needed to secure infrastructure and monitor threats. You also link it with the immigrant flow of Muslims. In the UK, the largest immigrant community, with the longest record of integration into the country, are the Irish. This community has also exported terror to the UK, as well as economic migrants. The elites have calculated that the net economic benefit to them of this migration, (Irish or other), outweighs the additional cost to the security apparatus.
You say: ‘develop sane immigration policies, based on an acknowledgment that those who want to replace Western societies with Sharia states are not welcome’. And for me, this is the best comment you make in the post. I absolutely agree that the advocacy of Sharia laws within western culture should be a thwarted at every location it is found. I am prepared to accept anti-libertarian laws on this subject just because I know it is the bed-rock of Islamic jurisprudence.
‘Translate the best web sites’: Why did you stop at just translation? The west is being absolutely beaten in our application of multi-media to project an anti-Jihad philosophy. The IT literate Mujahadeen are applying personal production, editing, branding and broadcasting technologies to project their propaganda. We are scratching around on single medium posting boards. We should ask for donor funds, and establish web based environments that use all media and can respond quickly to events.
You say: Withdraw technical support from Saudi Arabia. Isn’t that a bit naive from a foreign policy standpoint? If we exit from Saudi Arabia right now, the Chinese will promptly move in. I think the anti-Jihad movement’s problem is that it can offer no credible alternatives to the regime in Saudi Arabia, or America’s excessive use of fossil fuels (at the moment). From a wider geo-political standpoint, it is actually better for Western Imperialists to be occupying Iraq right now, (and to do the same wherever it meets Chinese expansion) in order to dominate oil production / distribution.
at May 26, 2006 11:45 PM
Then there's the cost of the other jihad - the breeding-us-out jihad. The welfare money, the child tax benefits, public housing, the extra stress and strain on our hospitals, schools and other facilities. All to fund a group that contributes so little towards what it uses.
More and more I hear friends and acquaintances ask "what good do Muslims bring to our country?". Nobody can come up with anything positive. Any minor benefit is overwhelmed by all the costs and burdens, not to mention the increasing instability in our lives.
Posted by: feralee at May 27, 2006 12:56 AM
Horrible thought, seeing a huge mosque in the Tuscan countryside. That's not what people go there to see. We'll be in Italy next year. Mosques are certainly not on my Must See list. To quote Prince Charles "... a monstrous carbuncle on the face of a much-loved and elegant friend." One of our planned drives is that very route - Firenze to Siena.
We thought we'd better visit Italy before it's too late. While the gorgeous art and architecture still stands. Morbid thought, I know, but what else can I think? I only hope next year won't be too late already.
Posted by: feralee at May 27, 2006 1:04 AM
One has to wonder if the hundreds of billions of terror-related dollars may be stimulating the economy in the same way WW2 brought us out of the Great Depression. While the war in Iraq and elsewhere drags on, the US economy is flourishing.
Posted by: Xero G at May 27, 2006 1:39 AM
Ronin,
I am his fan, too.
at May 27, 2006 3:20 AM
Ronin,
I am his fan too.
at May 27, 2006 3:20 AM
You also link it with the immigrant flow of Muslims. In the UK, the largest immigrant community, with the longest record of integration into the country, are the Irish. This community has also exported terror to the UK, as well as economic migrants. The elites have calculated that the net economic benefit to them of this migration, (Irish or other), outweighs the additional cost to the security apparatus.
There have been very few successful attacks on the mainland, and these all occurred over a very short time-frame. There is no 1350 year history here - and, one suspects, not enough sea for a (very few) fish to swim in. There is simply no warrant for smearing the whole of the Irish over this, as if everyone from this ethnicity had IRA connections. There is simply no comparison Irish/Muslim to made. Islam is a violent supremacist ideology and thus Muslims ipso facto are a problem. Many may be very nominal Muslims, but the fact remains that Islam in itself is a problem. And the nominal ones aren't necessarily in the minority, after all, 40% of British Muslims tell pollsters that they want Sharia in the UK - and that's the one's prepared to admit the desire to pollsters.
The current threat to a number of European countries is, as Hugh recognizes, both a major problem and a new one.
As for "economic benefits" outweighing costs, have you seen Fjordman's figures on what Muslims cost Sweden in welfare alone? As he says, the Swedes are funding their own colonization. And if the UK really needs additional workers from Islamic countries, as some left-liberal mouthpieces have been (somewhat disengenuously) claiming, why is it that recent figures show that some 25% of young Muslim men are unemployed?
Posted by: Yojimbo at May 27, 2006 4:02 AM
Hi, there are some french sites like jihad watch
such as
www.france-echos.com
or
www.occidentalis.com
just ans exemple amongst the many different anti islam blogs or sites.
In France, it is very difficult to talk about islam and the realities that hide behind this word. If you start critising it you get be treated by the "R" word (racist). And your life gets thrown in the gutter just for this suspicion. Associations for "the getting together of multiculturlism and friendship between people" will fall down on you so hard. You have no idea.
Plus, muslims have become potential votes for election since they are very active in politics, so now they are building moquees everywhere and espacially on symbollic places (like on top of a fort that resisted the maur's invasion) with the benediction of the dhimmis that call themselfs leaders of justice and rights.
You talk about cost, in France, they are the once that benefit the most from welfare wether it is illegal or legal. It is incredible. You can find on sites like oumma.com (where politicians and intellectuals come to talk about how much occidentals are whiny little b***) the way to cheat social welfare and get more money out of "the people of the book"
When I look around, I believe that everything is done to crystalize all this in order to create two seperate extremes that will, sooner or later, go to war (and not civil war, just war).
Anyway, good day to you !
Le Gaule
at May 27, 2006 4:31 AM
The costs cannot be counted in dollars and sense alone, our liberty and security however false were taken from us in one moment after hundreds of years of forging. The blood spilled on the battlegrounds by our brave men and woman can never be repayed nor will the blood of the innocent civilians killed in the twin towers. No, the costs of this vile ideology can never be tallied or extracted it will remain a scar from a very bad cut that looks ugly but serves as a reminder to make sure that never happens again and to take steps to prevent it.
The cost is deep and it is ugly and it will get worse before it gets better but it will indeed get better.
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."
Posted by: chuck at May 27, 2006 7:34 AM
"More and more I hear friends and acquaintances ask "what good do Muslims bring to our country?". Nobody can come up with anything positive. Any minor benefit is overwhelmed by all the costs and burdens, not to mention the increasing instability in our lives." -pposted above
I once absent mindedly ordered a beef curry in a Hindu restaurant in London: nothing was said, I just got a dirty look and when the food arrived it was a vegetable curry. By then I'd realised what I'd done and didn't complain. This story is just to point out that nearly all the curry houses in the UK are staffed by Muslim Bangladeshis, despite the fact that Bangladeshis are a largely pisciverous people and their diet bears no resemblance to what they serve up in these places. This could be regarded as a useful function: the only other economic activity in London associated with the Bangladeshi community is working in garment manufacturing sweatshops, but this sector has been shrinking as a result of cheaper foreign competition, for decades.
at May 27, 2006 8:11 AM
WallyUK,
You got a dirty look and the vegetable curry because the waiter was a Hindu. Only the Hindus regard the cow as sacred. Muslims from across the globe eat anything, including beef. This includes Bangladeshis. Muslims eat everything except the pork, due to mad mo stating that pigs are creatures from hell or something to that effect.
at May 27, 2006 9:04 AM
It is good to reveal the truth about what is really going on in the world. But, watching and reporting is not sufficient anymore.
"Fight the Jihad. Save the Environment. All at one and the same time."
We don't have to be from the right to do the first, and we don't have to be from the left to do the second.
It is time for those who are concerned and want to act to move from the categories of left and right.
A new movement, embracing what is good to humanity in the programs of both left and right, should see the light.
It is time to act.
Posted by: Berytius_Libanicus at May 27, 2006 10:28 AM
3) see how the Saudi economy runs without technical experts from the West. Perhaps oil production will suffer;..
The only problem with that is the investments from American oil companies like these,
Getty oil, Texaco, Mobil, Shell, standard oil of California (Socal), Texas oil.
at May 27, 2006 11:49 AM
Some 40% of the Pakistani and Bangladeshi population in the UK is on benefits. A similar figure must hold for Kosovans, Somalis, Algerians and others. Add to it, that many of the rest are on Housing benefit or living in council houses.
Now assume it costs around £10000 per person to keep in welfare - this includes health, education and social security. Assuming that the muslim population in Britain is around 2.5 million, we have an estimate of around £10bn per year. This does not include those getting housing benefit or living in subsidised council houses, or the cost accrued to raise this revenue from taxation.
Add to this the cost to the economy of all the security that is necessary - for which there is no real quantifiable estimate. I would estimate around £20bn/year at the least.
Posted by: DP111 at May 27, 2006 7:57 PM
In addition to Robert Spencer's fine books on Islam, I highly recommend Bruce Bawer's new book entitled "WHILE EUROPE SLEPT: How Radical Islam Is Destroying The West From Within" published by Doubleday. I had no idea the extent to which high level European political leaders seem eager to cooperate thereby hastening the arrival of their own forthcoming dhimmitude. Nor did I realize that by 2017 all of Holland's larger cities will be majority nonethnic Dutch. I wonder how long it will be before someone of stature questions the advisability of Muslim immigration here.
Posted by: Nashville Gene at May 28, 2006 12:00 AM
"I wonder how long it will be before someone of stature questions the advisability of Muslim immigration here."
The implications of this question are TRULY SCARY.
How long indeed.
Posted by: jsla at May 28, 2006 12:33 AM
Mahdi-
Muchos gracias, amigo.
The squatters say thank you, too.
(I compromised on brown mustard... but now they want chili, cheese and onions, too. Give 'em a millimeter and they'll take a parsec!)
The lawyers tell me that their extended families are on the front lawn, eating from my birdfeeders. (Getting striped sunflower shells all over my pachysandra.)
The joys of a 'compassionate conservative' government!
I guess I'm just a "nativist".
Posted by: profitsbeard at May 28, 2006 12:39 AM
Nashville Gene-
"..someone of stature questions the advisibility of Muslim immigration..."
Pim Fortuyn, a rising candidate for prime minister in the Netherlands four year ago this month, questioned this unrestrained immigration of intolerant cultural imperialists.
He was shot in the back by a Muslim sympathizer from the Dutch radical left, and killed.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/03/27/netherlands.fortuyn.trial/
Posted by: profitsbeard at May 28, 2006 12:49 AM
Some thoughts on this magnificent Sunday:
"He was shot in the back by a Muslim sympathizer from the Dutch radical left, and killed." - profitsbeard
Good post and great link. The first paragraph in the link reads:
"Volkert Van der Graaf, 33, said during his first court appearance in Amsterdam on Thursday that Fortuyn was using "the weakest parts of society to score points" and gain political power."
And since Fortuyn's murder, the neo-fascist radical left in Europe has continued to drag his name through the mud: he is still sometimes described as a "Nazi", a "Fascist", a "hard right-winger", the "Dutch le Pen", a "Modern Day Ernst Rohm", etc. It's important also to remember that Fortuyn's murderer, in addition to being a self-avowed protector of the downtrodden Muslim, was a "Animal Rightist" and environmental "activist" -- the kinds of Orwellian euphemisms the Left deploys to label it's facist storm troopers.
I know some of my European friends take umbrage when such things are said. I know what's coming -- America, according to them, is also a heinous place, a terribly flawed 'regime', a hypocritical nation -- how dare we point out these things? Some interpret such observations as "overbroad" criticisms --they also aver that the BBC, the CBC, the Guardian, or Le Monde only represent a tiny minority of extremists -- that all Europeans shouldn't be blamed for the actions of the few. To be honest -- I don't know who else to blame while Rome burns -- and Paris too -- (should I mention Amsterdam, London, Berlin, Malmo, Bern, Madrid...?)
As for the dust-up between Larry Auster and Robert Spencer, I think it's both wrong and right. I think Mr. Auster has engaged in a disengenuous game with Robert Spencer -- he has not been fair. I think he doesn't recognize the decision made by the owner of this site to resist wandering into the various mine fields and cul-de-sacs, those exploitable schisms which exist in our society and which reasonably enter into any discussion about Islam in the West.
I think Mr. Spencer knows that the instant the topic turns to, say, Christianity vs Islam, or post-modern Marxist Deconstructionism and the Leftist Elite and their role in whitewashing Islam and defaming the West, or the secular religion that states 'all religions are the same and inherently bad and therefore all of them most go', or the anti-Corporate anti-capitalist arguments that would have us believe WE caused 9/11 by omission or comission -- the moment the discussion turns to these and other underlying themes (both the valid and the invalid or insane) -- then vast swaths of otherwise united anti-Jihadi constituents become alienated and polarized. The fight stops being about the insult and menace of Islam, or the gaining momentum of the Muslim assault on our way of life -- it becomes an exploration of causality, and the proportioning of blame. Such issues are inevitably divisive. But isn't it also true that such issues are necessary to discuss in a Democracy?
We must proceed responsibly then so that we don't all hang separately as they appear to be doing in Europe these days. How then to proceed? It seems to be of paramount importance.
I have often said that UBL's attack on 9/11 cleaved a diamond. We are the diamond -- and the natural faultlines and schisms he brilliantly exploited have shattered our fantasies of unity -- we must admit this truth. Without minimizing his evil deed, that devout Muslim bastard destroyed far more on that day than planes buildings and souls. He effectively shattered the calm of the West -- ripped from our minds that delicate mental state which allowed opposites to exist in a kind of detante -- he has impeded us in ways we are still discovering -- and this -- more than anything else -- this fact that a fucking hate filled caveman was able to hit us so hard, and WORSE -- we never saw it coming -- This I can never forgive.
It's the Jihad, stupid!
Perhaps we can no longer avoid the sorting out 9/11 precipitated. We must make sure, however, that 9/11 doesn't turn into a referendum on the West rather than a referendum on Islam. After all, Muslims are the ones who embrace hatred for their religion. Muslims are the ones who have always planned for our death, and who celebrate our deaths when they come.
If you are religious, then I would suggest that it's no sin to wish for the destruction of such an enemy. If you are not, then I would suggest that it's no crime against the laws of man to staunchly defend yourself against the encroachments of hatred and totalitarianism. And in those two statements, all of it is summed up. So choose your poison: The laws of God and the laws of Man -- both have been breached and threatened by the pollution of Islam. Islam is our mortal enemy. Those who embrace it are our mortal foes. Those who dismiss it away or misrepresent its most fundamental tenets are traitors.
Great epochs have beginnings and endings. We are in the midst of the greatest epoch of all -- and it is ours to lose or win.
Posted by: jsla at May 28, 2006 1:13 PM
Great epochs have beginnings and endings. We are in the midst of the greatest epoch of all -- and it is ours to lose or win.
jsla
Truer words were rarely spoken.
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