Thera ya go,dont need anymore of an excuse to attack iran.

Posted by: patriot4 at May 27, 2006 7:34 PM

When you try to tell the people whom you are at war with that they are followers of a "religion of peace", and they don't listen to you, isn't it time to change the game plan?

And start learning from the lumps on your head gained by all of the walls you keep banging into?

A phrenologist is desperately needed at the White House and 10 Downing.

Islam is the cult of a pedophile warlord.

It split between rival clans 1300 years ago.

They are still at one another's theocratic throats.

Wise up, GWB. Wake up, Tony B.

Islamohomeopathy.

It doesn't get better if you deny it is bad.

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 27, 2006 7:48 PM

Yes and add Afghanistan to the mix...America and Israel are looking more and more alone....So while americans are thousands of miles away from home-fighting for his country...Karzai is having tea with mahmoud and the supreme demon...Are they talking about how to wipe Israel off the face of the earth....or perhaps chanting death to AMERICA. ........doesn't anyone find this story odd?......the man who has called for the death of our country is now having tea with karzi......Yes I know...someone will say President Bush sent him....why?....talk doesnt work with iran.....no...islam knows no borders......Its like being awake in the middle of the night and the rest of your family is asleep.

Posted by: storagemanager at May 27, 2006 7:50 PM

Hugh, you have often advocated leaving Iraq soon. Won't these people then take over and make things worse for everyone in the region and beyond?

Posted by: Lili at May 27, 2006 8:04 PM

"Hugh, you have often advocated leaving Iraq soon. Won't these people then take over and make things worse for everyone in the region and beyond?"
-- from a posting above

"These people" are the "people" of "Iraq." They -- Sunni Arabs or Shi'a Arabs -- have their own fish to fry and scores to settle with each other, and power to seize, or to seize back. Save for a handful of most unrepresentative representatives -- precisely those westernized, well-spoken, intelligent, plausible exiles who told the Americans what they wanted to hear (after all, they wanted those Americans to invade Iraq and get rid of Saddam Hussein, didn't they?).

Why would war between Sunnis and Shi'a be worse" for everyone in the region and beyond"? It might be bad for the camp of Islam. It might use up men, materiel, money, and attention, as outside forces move in to help their co-religionists on either side, with Saudi Arabia, the U.A.E., Egypt, Jordan helping Sunnis, and Iran, and Shi'a communities in Bahrain, Kuwait, Yemen, and of course Hezbollah in Lebanon, especially the latter, doing what they could to support the Shi'a (or so one hopes, if one is an Infidel).

We know that would not be good for Muslims, especially if the conflict widens and has repercussions in Lebanon, in Yemen, in Bahrain, in Kuwait, in the Eastern Province (Al-Hasa) of Saudi Arabia. But why would that be bad for Infidels?

Was the Iran-Iraq War good or bad for Infidels?

You tell me.

Posted by: Hugh at May 27, 2006 8:26 PM

I think mahmoud is about to get his CHAOS.

Posted by: storagemanager at May 27, 2006 8:36 PM

I used to think it was a bad idea to leave Iraq to the fundamentalists. But now I realize that we left Afghanistan to the Taliban. Thank you George Bush. It won't be long before Afghanistan falls under Taliban rule again. But that is what the Afghanis want. They had a chance to kill the Taliban after the war, to lynch them, and they did not.

As for Iraq, same story. The fundamentalists will take over because the moderates are not as vicious.

I remember a surveillance tape of John Gotti boasting to his subordinates why he was in charge:

"You know why I'm boss? I'll tell you why I'm boss. I'm more vicious than most of yuz guys. I'm smarter than most of yuz guys, and I'm more willing to kill than most of yuz guys."

Well, that is why the bad guys always win when surrounded by moderates. Because they are more vicious and more willing to kill than the moderates. So Islam will always dominate the middle east. Liberal democracy doesn't have a chance. Most of the elites are not schooled enough in natural selection to get that.

Posted by: somethingaboutislam at May 27, 2006 9:06 PM

Hugh-

You're forgetting that such an internecine conflict between Sunnis and Shi'ites in Iraq/Iraq might cause Muslims now living in the West to feel compelled to emigrate back to the Middle east where they would join the "sectarian" conflict and leave us without their multicultural influences.

Oh, wait...

Forget I said anything.

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 27, 2006 9:19 PM

It dosen't matter what the US and Britian do in iraq since sadam is in prison and the shia have been freed and armed.

There will not be peace in Iraq until the sunni and shia settle thier generations old battles.

Over 2,100 American soldiers dead and 400 billion taxpayer dollars wasted and the totals keep growing.

Has it been worth it??

If you think so, why??? Not because we had to, that his pres bush's lies....

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.

Posted by: Texican at May 27, 2006 9:20 PM

At least we know where that $20 million a month Iran is giving al Sadr is going.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at May 27, 2006 9:57 PM

We should learn a lesson from the old game of Risk (Pocket Conquest - PPC verson), which is this:

Encourage/instigate/incite the Shia and Sunni to fight their protracted, vicious, inhumane fight with one another in Iran/Iraq for another decade or two until they pound one another into 100 virgins-land. That would work at least as well as our current strategy. Why should we expend our limited resources fighting them when it is more effective to encourage them to pursue their thousand-year fight with one another.

Posted by: Moochie at May 27, 2006 10:05 PM

l am realizing with islam only way to control the islamist freaks is with a death grip on them such as the barbaric saddam. iraq's borders were drawn up over last by the British, and others before them. to keep it one country will be practically impossible. to leave it will give iranian prez his "chaos", and a nightmare for the saudis.. throw in some westernized iraqi's who want a form of Democracy, you will have a nightmare for muslims.. the more l look at it this way, the more it looks good for infidels. l think the Kurds will be begging for the US to stay and help them out. its going to be interesting next year or so.

Posted by: Lulu at May 27, 2006 10:11 PM

Perception is reality - at least in the short term and America pulling out of Iraq prematurely would look a lot like Saigon in 75, Beirut in 1984, Somalia in 95, the withdrawal of US troops from Saudi (seen by some as caving in to bin Laden)in 2004 and even the Russian withdrawal from Afghanistan in 89. The jihadists might well see it as a victory and their confidence be sufficiently boosted to ride the wave and try to achieve even greater things against a US whose power they would perceive as visibly waning.

Posted by: wallyUK at May 27, 2006 10:16 PM

SHOCKED..BUT...CINDY SAID.....SHE SAID.....Venezuela has sheltered groups with ties to Middle East terrorists and allows its weapons to reach Colombian guerrillas, a senior U.S. official said.

Those are among the reasons why the Bush administration announced on Monday that it banned Venezuela from purchasing U.S. weapons. Venzuela has failed to fully cooperate on counterterrorism, Thomas A. Shannon, assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs, told editors and reporters at The Washington Times.

"Cuban intelligence has effectively cloned itself inside Venezuelan intelligence to the point that [our] ability to cooperate and have a relationship with Venezuela on the intelligence side is very difficult," Shannon said. "We are worried about the kind of relationship
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/5/17/175933.shtml?s=lh

Posted by: storagemanager at May 27, 2006 10:34 PM

Anyone heard the latest about some tennis players murdered in Iraq?

"BAGHDAD, Iraq (May 27) - An Iraqi tennis coach and two of his players were killed because they were wearing shorts, apparently in violation of a warning by Islamic extremists.

The athletes were in shorts when they were killed and police believe the attack was related to a warning by extremists against such attire, police Lt. Maitham Abdul Razzaq said.
He said the warning was made in leaflets distributed in the Sadiyah neighborhood in southwest Baghdad a week before the attack.

This was the second attack against athletes in just more than a week."

Posted by: DaveyFreak at May 27, 2006 10:50 PM

islam has put a fatwa on shorts....you must find the shorts wherever they are..kill the shorts...allah will not have shorts in allah land!

Posted by: storagemanager at May 27, 2006 11:01 PM

INDONESIAN terrorists planned to attack Western targets by spreading hydrogen cyanide, a deadly gas used during the Holocaust, through the air-conditioning systems of large buildings.
Details of the method of the proposed attack, designed to maximise the number of victims, were revealed in a 26-page training manual produced by members of Jemaah Islamiah, the terrorist group blamed for the Bali bombings.

Hand-written in the Indonesian language Bahasa, the document expresses optimism that victims exposed to the poison gas will die within 30 seconds.

But the plans went awry when police raided a JI safe house in the southern Philippines and discovered the training manual.

The details have been revealed for the first time by Rohan Gunaratna, of the International Centre for Terrorism and Political Violence Research's Institute of Defence and Strategic Studies.

Dr Gunaratna said the document discussed several chemical gases, pesticides, narcotics and biological toxins. Among them were hydrogen sulfide, phosgene, chlorine and arsenic.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19270458-5001561,00.html

Posted by: storagemanager at May 27, 2006 11:26 PM

Guys this is really sick...........The manual carried the most detail about hydrogen cyanide, also known as Cyclone B, which was used to kill millions of Jews during World War II.

It suggested hydrogen cyanide be the killing agent of choice because of its ease of production and delivery. It was also easy to produce.

Dr Gunaratna said the production and delivery methods described in the manual for chemical attack were accurate.

Posted by: storagemanager at May 27, 2006 11:28 PM

patriot4 said

Thera ya go,dont need anymore of an excuse to attack iran.

I agree with that, I just hope that it doesn't turn into Round 3 of the infidels building a better Islamic nation for the Muslims, no matter what the cost in lives or money to the infidels, and no matter how little gratitude is shown in return.

Posted by: special_guest at May 28, 2006 1:45 AM

Hey everyone Ali Sina is writing a book please check out his web site.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/book2.htm

His book is entitled Understanding Islam and the Muslim mind.

Posted by: SnowDawg at May 28, 2006 2:54 AM

Who saw that coming???

Oh, wait a minute... I did!

I have been predicting the Iranian takeover of Iraq for MONTHS!

This is exactly what the US is waiting for and the REAL REASON for attacking Iraq (twice) in the first place.

Soon the western infidels will be driven from Islamic homelands and Iran/Iraq can assume the role of Axis of Evil for the New Cold War although I expect it to be much hotter than the last cold war.

It won't be long now before all those Gulf state kingdoms start squealing for US aid, military and defence technology with service contracts, maintenance contracts, training contracts, upgrade contracts and contracts that would shame a Microsoft EULA lawyer.

The US may just come out of this smelling like a rose - an American Beauty.

Just so you know, I do not for a microsecond believe this to be a Bush plan, rather his financiers and handlers are responsible for this action although the plan has obviously been in the making for almost 20 years.

Bar

Posted by: blazar-jet at May 28, 2006 3:08 AM

"We should learn a lesson from the old game of Risk (Pocket Conquest - PPC verson), which is this:

Encourage/instigate/incite the Shia and Sunni to fight their protracted, vicious, inhumane fight with one another in Iran/Iraq for another decade or two until they pound one another into 100 virgins-land."

Is it really so easy for you to incite for the murder of thousands, possibly millions of your fellow human beings?

Even if you are indifferent to the adults, do the children deserve to die too?

It is shameful that we can be driven so readily to say such things--and for what? For the sake of saving our skins. I would rather die than live by inciting people to kill one another's children. I do not want to live like that.

It may be necessary to leave Iraq. I don't know. But it is surely necessary to remember the humanity of those we leave behind, to work for peace, even if we do not succeed, and not to become indifferent to the suffering of the victims, Muslim and otherwise.

One thing anyone can do, if they feel so inclined, is to say a prayer for the dead, the dying, and those who will die in the terrible years to come. May they rest in peace. And may we not forget them, whether they were our friends or our enemies.

Posted by: anselm at May 28, 2006 3:24 AM

"We should learn a lesson from the old game of Risk (Pocket Conquest - PPC verson), which is this:

Encourage/instigate/incite the Shia and Sunni to fight their protracted, vicious, inhumane fight with one another in Iran/Iraq for another decade or two until they pound one another into 100 virgins-land."

Is it really so easy for you to incite for the murder of thousands, possibly millions of your fellow human beings?

Even if you are indifferent to the adults, do the children deserve to die too?

It is shameful that we can be driven so readily to say such things--and for what? For the sake of saving our skins. I would rather die than live by inciting people to kill one another's children. I do not want to live like that.

It may be necessary to leave Iraq. I don't know. But it is surely necessary to remember the humanity of those we leave behind, to work for peace, even if we do not succeed, and not to become indifferent to the suffering of the victims, Muslim and otherwise.

One thing anyone can do, if they feel so inclined, is to say a prayer for the dead, the dying, and those who will die in the terrible years to come. May they rest in peace. And may we not forget them, whether they were our friends or our enemies.

Posted by: anselm at May 28, 2006 3:25 AM

We do not have to encourage the Shia and Sunni to fight each other. They have been doing it since the false prophet Mohammed (Pigs Be Upon Him) started his cult. As for the deaths of innocent children, they were used in the Iran-Iraq war to clear minefields. They view their own children as expendable.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at May 28, 2006 7:36 AM

henry-

LQ!

(Laughing Quietly)

Allah, Lord of the Circle-Jerk? (With one hand not knowing what the other one is doing?)

"Submission" means no free will.

Inshallah, indeed.

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 28, 2006 1:32 PM

anselm,
I would rather die than live...

Here is a link to a good movie,
http://tcmdb.com/title/title.jsp?stid=81321
This man had the same idea that he would rather die or lose than to fight the Axis on their terms.
When his views became known he was promptly sacked. There is a great conversation where a younger man explains the error of his thinking.

Posted by: tgusa at May 28, 2006 1:58 PM

henry-

I'm sure you know Mark Twain's classic novella
"The Mysterious Stranger". His brilliant, chilling take on the notion of a solipsistic 'god'.

I think most here at JW/DW know the phrase/word "Inshallah" since it comes up regularly in the postings from petitioners of Allah trying to spread the Muslim Da'wa (invitation to the faith of the pedophile "prophet").

The immunity level here is high enough to resist such seductions.

As far as keeping things tightly in hand, "Self Love" (an unintentionally funny Penguin book title) is preferable to Allah's.

"To get the full value of joy, you must have someone to divide it with."

-M. Twain.

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 28, 2006 11:36 PM

"Is it really so easy for you to incite for the murder of thousands, possibly millions of your fellow human beings?" anselm asked.
After seeing the attacks by Mohammedans on 9-11, Mohammedans celebrating and handing out candy like the deaths of thousands of Westerners was a cause for celebration, after seeing the USS Cole, the videotaped beheadings of innocent civilians by Mohammedans, "honor" killings of young women, the mass graves caused by the Mohammedan Saddam, children used as human mine sweepers in the Iran-Iraq war, Israeli citizens blown to pieces for no reason other than that they were Jewish, people killed for wearing shorts, fatwas issued by crazed Imams foaming at the mouth demanding Western blood, 1,500 year old statues destroyed because they were deemed "offensive", etc., etc., etc., ad infinatum ad nauseum, all backed up by valid quotations from the Quran, which not only commands this sort of behavior but commends those who perpetrate it, I would have to say in one word, "YES!"

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at May 29, 2006 4:16 AM

Iranian-backed militia control much of southern Iraq

the American establishment has been pro Iranian for 26 years. The American people aren't, but every president has done things to help the Iranian regime. NOW do you believe me?

Posted by: dococ at May 29, 2006 7:38 AM